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03:16:31 <kilobyte> |amethyst: it fixes the note, but not autoinscriptions yet
03:17:11 <kilobyte> the latter is overwritten by some code that assumes only acquire:god can possibly create an inscribed item
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07:31:58 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r730c05b4d54f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (describe.cc describe.h dungeon.cc items.cc): Fix unrands generated on the floor and via &% not getting their inscription.
07:32:08 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * rf897cc30969c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/unrand.txt: "King" is male, so the desc shouldn't use a female form.
07:34:29 <kilobyte> hmm, it looks like OODs spawning after some time on the level is something that catches players by surprise
07:36:21 <alefury> whats the purpose of the ood timer?
07:36:26 <due> alefury: mummyfucking
07:36:33 <alefury> i mean compared to spawns just stopping
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07:37:56 <kilobyte> stops some other degenerated strategies
07:39:03 <kilobyte> also, makes doing some harder vaults not safe if you clear the rest of the level and lure monsters one by one
07:39:21 <alefury> i keep asking myself "what would Ragdoll do", but i cant figure out anything too bad
07:39:33 <elliptic> there should be a cost associated with making spawns completely stop
07:39:40 <elliptic> we could make them slow down a lot though
07:40:33 <alefury> i dont really mind the ood timer, it just seems a bit weird
07:41:04 <Ragdoll> i like the ood timer, hoe else can i spear stone giant zombies
07:41:07 <kilobyte> I mean, current OOD spawns work great, the only problem is that a new player doesn't know about them
07:41:39 <alefury> so he dies
07:41:50 <alefury> problem?
07:42:00 <elliptic> kilobyte: maybe a message like "you feel like you have spent too long on this level" should appear randomly if you've spent a long time there?
07:42:13 <alefury> yeah, a message would certainly make it more transparent
07:42:24 <kilobyte> and then complains about a D:1 centaur after just 1200 turns (ie, just tarrying a bit rather than farming)
07:42:50 <kilobyte> elliptic: this could work.  Perhaps only on shallow levels, too?
07:43:06 <elliptic> D:1 centaur can generate after 10 turns, if it generates on the downstairs
07:43:18 <elliptic> since D:2 centaur is in depth for normal generation
07:43:47 <alefury> i do not trigger the ood timer, and i used to play really slowly (always resting to full mp and such).
07:44:12 <alefury> i only ever saw it at work on a mummy, when i was deliberately farming (also i wanted to see the ood timer in action)
07:44:38 <alefury> D:2 centaurs being in depth is pretty silly btw
07:45:09 <elliptic> !lg * killer=centaur place=d:1 min=turn cv~~0.1.
07:45:10 <Sequell> 46. Kaput the Gusty (L1 KeAE), shot by a centaur (arrow) on D:1 on 2011-10-05, with 34 points after 93 turns and 0:00:34.
07:45:16 <elliptic> that's an example btw
07:45:30 <kilobyte> oy vey, indeed
07:46:22 <elliptic> kilobyte: yeah, such a message should only appear on the first few levels
07:46:30 <headzone> "You sense that your lingering presence here has begun to attract unwelcome attention."  :)
07:50:20 <G-Flex> if it appears on the first few levels, then stops appearing, won't a new player assume the thing related to the message has stopped occurring
07:51:01 <elliptic> well, to some extent it has... OOD spawns later on are far less brutal
07:51:04 <headzone> i don't see any reason it needs to stop appearing really
07:51:28 <elliptic> it depends on when we make this message appear
07:51:48 <elliptic> later on spending a couple thousand turns on a hard level is pretty normal
07:51:59 <elliptic> and the effect on OODs isn't really noticeable
07:52:10 <alefury> how long is the ood timer?
07:52:20 <headzone> turn threshold should probably scale with depth?
07:52:53 <elliptic> I don't remember the details but the OODs get worse and worse as you go... it isn't like they suddenly jump from kobolds to yaktaurs
07:53:31 <alefury> ive seen a deep troll band in single-digit D i think
07:53:53 <elliptic> by "as you go" I mean "as you spend time on the level"
07:54:22 <elliptic> if you spend long enough on D:1 (and survive) you'll see crazy stuff even there
07:54:56 <elliptic> !lg mummyrobin place=d:1 s=ckiller
07:54:56 <Sequell> 701 games for mummyrobin (place=d:1): 493x quitting, 34x a hobgoblin, 25x a kobold, 11x a goblin, 9x an ooze, 8x a jackal, 7x a giant gecko, 6x a centaur warrior, 5x a giant cockroach, 4x a rat, 4x an orc priest, 4x a hill giant, 4x a stone giant, 4x a gnoll, 3x a megabat, 3x a giant frog, 3x a cyclops, 3x cloud, 2x a manticore, 2x a troll, 2x a giant newt, 2x a centaur, 2x a wolf spider, 2x a two...
07:55:18 <kilobyte> moderate OODs (-5..+5 depth) start on D:1 after 700 turns -- their frequency scales with time, OODness does not
07:55:34 <elliptic> a selection of the stuff that kills a mummy who tries to wait on d:1
07:55:37 <alefury> ??mummyrobin
07:55:37 <Henzell> mummyrobin[1/1]: In this robin challenge you have to wait for monster generation to stop (takes 20k turns) on every level before you can move on to the next. Backtracking to earlier levels is only allowed if you have stopped monster generation in the entire branch. If you are shafted, use your conscience as a guide for what to do. Password: robin
07:56:10 <kilobyte> "super OODs" can start on D:1 after 1400 turns, again frequency scales with time, quality doesn't
07:56:34 <kilobyte> and there seems to be absolutely no limit -- ie, can get ancient liches on turn 1401
07:56:48 <elliptic> kilobyte: are you sure about that? it doesn't really agree with my experience
07:57:08 <kilobyte> the _need_super_ood() line
07:57:32 <elliptic> !lg * cv~~0.1. place=d:1 turn>1400 turn<2000 s=ckiller
07:57:41 <Sequell> 842 games for * (cv~~0.1. place=d:1 turn>1400 turn<2000): 92x a gnoll, 91x a hobgoblin, 90x a kobold, 58x quitting, 47x an adder, 40x a goblin, 33x a jackal, 29x Terence, 23x Ijyb, 19x a giant gecko, 16x starvation, 15x xom, 14x a worm, 12x a snake, 12x a worker ant, 12x a bat, 11x an ooze, 11x acid, 11x wild magic, 10x Sigmund, 8x a ball python, 8x draining, 8x a rat, 7x a crimson imp, 7x cloud, ...
07:57:48 <elliptic> !lg * cv~~0.1. place=d:1 turn>1400 turn<2000 s=-ckiller
07:57:49 <kilobyte> ooh, and they can spawn on turn 701, actually
07:57:49 <Sequell> 842 games for * (cv~~0.1. place=d:1 turn>1400 turn<2000): a young halfling, an oklob plant, something, a big kobold, an orc warrior, an iron imp, a hell hound, lava, a worm zombie, a gnoll shaman, ball lightning, a wandering mushroom, a small abomination, a gnoll sergeant, a worker ant zombie, a blue devil, a water moccasin zombie, an efreet, a jelly, Jessica, giant spore, a lemure, an iguana skel...
07:58:09 <elliptic> !lg * cv~~0.1. place=d:1 turn>1400 turn<2000 ckiller=efreet -tv
07:58:10 <Sequell> 1. elynaeandxom, XL3 VpCK, T:1467 requested for FooTV.
07:58:13 <kilobyte> (since _need_super_ood() roll takes the depth already modified by normal OODs)
07:58:14 <elliptic> !lg * cv~~0.1. place=d:1 turn>1400 turn<2000 ckiller=efreet -tv:cancel
07:58:15 <Sequell> 1. elynaeandxom, XL3 VpCK, T:1467 cancel requested for FooTV.
07:59:05 <elliptic> kilobyte: that sounds sort of crazy really... maybe we should make the formula a bit smoother?
07:59:56 <alefury> !lg mummyrobin place=d:2 s=ckiller
07:59:56 <Sequell> 9 games for mummyrobin (place=d:2): 2x a yaktaur captain, quitting, a troll, a two-headed ogre, a shapeshifter, a dragon, a glowing shapeshifter, a hill giant
08:00:07 <alefury> !lg mummyrobin place=d:3 s=ckiller
08:00:07 <Sequell> One game for mummyrobin (place=d:3): an orc knight
08:00:20 <alefury> !lg mummyrobin s=place
08:00:20 <Sequell> 713 games for mummyrobin: 701x D:1, 9x D:2, D:7, D:3, D:5
08:00:23 <elliptic> !lg * cv~~0.1. place=d:1 turn>1400 turn<3000 god!=xom s=-ckiller
08:00:25 <alefury> heh
08:00:26 <Sequell> 903 games for * (cv~~0.1. place=d:1 turn>1400 turn<3000 god!=xom): a green rat, a jelly, a water moccasin, a big kobold, lava, a water moccasin zombie, something, a shadow, a gnoll sergeant, Purgy, an adder skeleton, a gnoll shaman, a worm zombie, trap, wild magic, a sun demon, self aimed, water, a giant mite, a young halfling, an orc warrior, an orange demon, an iguana skeleton, a worker ant zomb...
08:01:12 <elliptic> nothing particularly scary there
08:01:21 <Patashu> what about the sun demon
08:01:21 <Patashu> that's kind of scary
08:01:23 <Patashu> the orc warrior too
08:01:39 <alefury> particularly scary = ancient lich or comparable
08:01:41 <elliptic> well I assume the sun demon was from some sort of trickery, not regular spawning...
08:01:49 <elliptic> and the orc warrior is only a couple levels out of depth
08:01:54 <alefury> maybe xom abandonment
08:02:03 <elliptic> !lg * cv~~0.1. place=d:1 turn>1400 turn<3000 god!=xom ckiller=sun demon
08:02:03 <Sequell> 1. AdeonThree the Ruffian (L3 MuMo), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, demolished by a sun demon (summoned by a card of wild magic) on D:1 on 2012-04-15, with 160 points after 2971 turns and 0:05:40.
08:02:04 <alefury> also, people can lure stuff back up to D:1 (purgy)
08:02:09 <Patashu> oh, nemelex
08:02:14 <Patashu> maybe turn off nemelex as well
08:02:49 <kilobyte> ... and Trog, and Okawaru, and Lugonu, and Vehumet, and ...
08:03:16 <Patashu> those gods don't send you tough monsters to fight through normal worship
08:03:18 <Patashu> (I guess)
08:03:22 <elliptic> no need to turn off anything other than xom; there isn't anything with the query I just did (looked in PM)
08:03:54 <kilobyte> Patashu: normal worship no, folks like to abandon them for shits and giggles, though
08:07:52 <elliptic> oh, I see, the chance of getting super OODs only starts to increase after 3000 turns
08:08:16 <elliptic> before that it is infinitesimal, then it increases reasonably quickly
08:09:47 <elliptic> as in, chance starts out at 2/10000, then after 3000 turns it starts increasing by nearly 2/10000 each turn
08:10:28 <alefury> does it actually get to 100% or is it capped?
08:10:35 <elliptic> this explains why all the deaths to yaktaur captains and such are after 3000 turns
08:10:56 <elliptic> it gets to 100% chance in this function after 9000 turns, though I don't know whether there are any checks elsewhere that have to be met also
08:11:31 <elliptic> (the rate increases linearly between 2/10000 and 10000/10000 in the 3000-9000 turn range)
08:12:04 <alefury> that explains why i never seem to trigger the ood timer, 3000 turns is pretty long, and +5 is not too horrible, especially later on
08:12:17 <elliptic> yeah
08:12:21 <alefury> so i probably do trip it a bunch, just nothing bad happens
08:13:43 <elliptic> super_ood means depth increased by random2avg(27,2)... i.e. usually around 13
08:15:47 <elliptic> anyway I'd suggest: make super_ood generation impossible before 3000 turns on the level, give a warning message after 2500, don't give the warning after D:19 or so
08:16:06 <elliptic> or something like that... we could also adjust the formula more
08:17:49 <Patashu> "You feel a gust of wind!"
08:17:55 <Patashu> (obscure jokes)
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09:26:23 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * rc96367536286 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/abyss.des: Make legendary Trowel card do something in the Abyss.
09:26:23 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r35bb0853d844 10/crawl-ref/source/ (decks.cc decks.h): Disallow skipping ornate Trowels.
09:26:23 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r79ee9298979e 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): Simplify random_god().
09:26:33 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * rb4c9b8832a4b 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Fix "No vault found for tag 'special_room'".
09:26:36 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r0ce59bb35473 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/layout.des: Forbid a number of layouts in Pan.
09:30:11 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * re49405bfe934 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files in 3 dirs): An alternate fix for Trowels in the Abyss: allow recursion.
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09:36:24 <alefury> nearly done now? or still lots to do?
09:39:12 <kilobyte> some level_info crap, mostly
09:52:13 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * rfd3b6afd91dc 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files): Let ^F and item memory work in Labs and the Abyss.
10:08:13 <CIA-115> 03galehar * rb75146b04d68 10/crawl-ref/source/util/text-wrap.pl: A script to automatically wrap or unwrap description and database files.
10:20:29 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1296-g730c05b (32)
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10:58:18 <CIA-115> 03galehar * r3b6a7ff08808 10/crawl-ref/source/ (menu.h skill_menu.cc skill_menu.h): Use shift+letter instead of ctrl+letter to single-select skills.
11:02:57 <dpeg> galehar: should reduce the number of skills
11:09:14 <kilobyte> galehar: if that Transifex thingy can't handle multi-line strings (unlike any other tool I know), there'll be a lot of problems with it
11:09:36 <kilobyte> could be better to use something po based
11:15:07 <kilobyte> tutorial: is there a reason to even ask for a character name?  This seems to be another question that distracts new players.
11:15:42 <dpeg> kilobyte: no, there's not
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11:41:43 <kilobyte> should uniques be allowed to spawn in portal vaults?  It's one of regressions in portal_branches, that I'm not entirely sure is bad.
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12:04:11 <Patashu> I don't like the idea of it, myself
12:04:21 <Eronarn> kilobyte: i don't think uniques should spawn in any way to be inaccessible if you leave the level, except the panlords
12:04:24 <Patashu> It would be a cheesy result to deal with a tough unique by having it spawn in a portal branch and hightailing it out of there
12:04:28 <Eronarn> and even them, i don't actually like their levels not repeating
12:05:09 <Eronarn> that being said: what about letting them spawn, and after you leave the portal, they end up in the abyss?
12:05:37 <Patashu> how would you justify that?
12:05:52 <Patashu> (they should spawn somewhere on the level you found the portal vault on)
12:06:10 <Eronarn> Patashu: they had no other way out / the level fell apart into pure chaos after you left / whatever
12:06:30 <Eronarn> showing up on the same level won't work because the portal entrances close up permanently
12:06:53 <Patashu> aha, it closed permanently for -you-
12:06:58 <Patashu> maybe they entered before you
12:07:00 <ChrisOelmueller> i always assumed the entrance closed when you entered
12:07:00 <Eronarn> no, i mean...
12:07:02 <Patashu> just checking ito ut
12:07:04 <ChrisOelmueller> and you could only get back once
12:07:05 <Eronarn> it's like 'melted archway' or whatever
12:07:10 <Patashu> oh, that's true
12:07:19 <Patashu> I guess it is some weird gameplay abstraction, if it's implied it doesn't reset ever
12:07:22 <Eronarn> they can clearly exit, afaik all portals have multiple exits
12:07:36 <Eronarn> just, where should the exit lead to once the entrance is gone? -> abyss
12:08:17 <kilobyte> Mennas has a comment saying he should spawn in Pan, at least
12:08:36 <Eronarn> kilobyte: zigmennas. you can make it happen
12:08:44 <kilobyte> not sure that's a good idea though (Ignacio already does that)
12:08:49 <Eronarn> edit: bazaarmennas
12:09:11 <Patashu> uniques can spawn in a bazaar, in portal_branches?
12:09:14 <Patashu> (how about in labyrinth?)
12:09:19 <Patashu> ahahah, imagine the donald lines for labyrinth
12:09:27 <Patashu> Donald says, "Spare a ration?"
12:09:33 <Patashu> Donald says, "I'm as lost as you are, buddy."
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12:09:52 <Eronarn> zigdonald
12:10:04 <kilobyte> Eronarn: he can't, but only because he's DEPTH: 20-27 and Zigs start at 28
12:10:36 <Eronarn> actually i really do like the idea of donald being able to show up in portal vaults...
12:10:38 <kilobyte> can in Lab, which is indeed wrong
12:10:48 <kilobyte> or perhaps...
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12:11:45 <Eronarn> what about: keep the level alive for n number of turns, and the unique tries to find the exit. if it can, it shows up a few turns after you do
12:12:14 <Eronarn> and delay the archway closing for a little bit
12:12:14 <Patashu> sounds like brogue stair behaviour
12:12:28 <Eronarn> "partially collapsed tunnel", "It would be too dangerous to go back in."
12:13:12 <Eronarn> of course then you have to explain why allies can't come into / leave portal vaults
12:13:45 <kilobyte> no fundamental reason for that now
12:14:10 <Patashu> it's to make musu more difficult
12:14:22 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * rbea38d39946a 10/crawl-ref/source/arena.cc: Fix uninitialized branch depths for the Arena.
12:14:33 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r98830d744936 10/crawl-ref/source/place-info.cc: Fix Sprint crashing on references to non-existent branches.
12:14:33 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r361f092eb303 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-transit.cc: Show monster names instead of "it" in transit dprf()s.
12:15:16 <Patashu> hmm, what if uniques were made 'special' in general, in terms of being able to follow along stairs/portals if they're chasing you?
12:15:23 <Patashu> brogue style stair behaviour, while everything else is kept crawl style
12:15:33 <Patashu> would be kinda fun
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12:34:33 <dpeg> Patashu's idea has merits.
12:35:25 <Eronarn> i'd rather see it tested with a new unique, first, because some uniques are really quite lethal unless you leave the level
12:36:40 <Eronarn> what about making donald do it? :)
12:38:18 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r1f744aac2b57 10/crawl-ref/source/ (files.cc mon-transit.cc): Fix monsters from deleted levels going to the Abyss.
12:38:22 <kilobyte> Mennas DEPTH:Zig:5-17 :p
12:38:36 <kilobyte> (or sumthin like that)
12:39:26 <phyphor> A bat unique that can chase you *up* stairs, but not down, might be interesting
12:39:40 <phyphor> or maybe it'd end up like the imp strategy
12:40:08 <Eronarn> i don't get it, what would be interesting about that
12:40:14 <Eronarn> you go up one stair and immediately back down it
12:40:23 <Eronarn> don't worry about it again until the orb run
12:41:00 <phyphor> true
12:41:32 <kilobyte> cloning Pan uniques applies to trunk, too
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12:41:54 <kilobyte> just if someone wants to get two Cerebov kills in one game
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12:45:16 <dpeg> Eronarn: yes, starting with single, special unique sounds good
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13:16:33 <Gretell> FlamingLnfernal (L19 DsWn)  (Elf:5)
13:20:22 <elliptic> !lm * crash -log
13:20:23 <Sequell> 2808. FlamingLnfernal, XL19 DsWn, T:94436 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/FlamingLnfernal/crash-FlamingLnfernal-20120424-181619.txt
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13:35:29 <alefury> i found static discharge, lightning bolt and fireball. work towards lightning bolt or fireball?
13:36:05 <alefury> oh, sorry, wrong channel
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13:56:46 <kilobyte> elliptic: that one is long since fixed
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15:29:53 <elliptic> hm, I sort of want to rewrite the Ds mutation ordering/scheduling
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15:31:41 <elliptic> since it has lots of weird stuff, like being monstrous means you might start with a tier 3 mut...
15:32:33 <elliptic> anyone have any thoughts about what they might want Ds mutation ordering to be like?
15:40:00 <headzone> what is the idea behind the current logic exactly
15:41:42 <elliptic> current logic is essentially that you can't start to get your tier 3 mut before you are done with your tier 1 mut (scales)
15:42:44 <elliptic> and aside from that and getting the mutations in each facet in the correct order, there are no restrictions on ordering and the XL scheduling is approximately uniform
15:44:12 <elliptic> monstrous Ds don't get scales, so they can start getting their tier 3 mut whenever
15:44:25 <kilobyte> can get ten mutations on XL2-3, can not get a single mutation before XL10
15:45:09 <headzone> that last aspect i don't think is too good
15:45:26 <kilobyte> monstrous Ds lose two extra eq slots, and don't get as many useful mutations, so I guess the tier 3 thingy is intentional
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15:45:59 <elliptic> kilobyte: unless I'm misreading _schedule_ds_mutations, you can't gain more than two mutations in a given level
15:47:32 <elliptic> it could probably stand to be a bit more regular though, yeah
15:47:32 <elliptic> the tier 3 thing for monstrous Ds is very strange, since the tier 3 mutations are designed to be better later on and the tier 2 mutations are designed to be better earlier it actually makes monstrous Ds worse I think
15:49:52 <elliptic> kilobyte: it would also be nice to have some sort of mechanism to do stuff like make demonic guardian 3 not show up pre-lair and make bodyslot muts not take until XL 27 to finish (this encourages scumming draining if you have a great item in the slot)
15:50:23 <kilobyte> sounds good
15:50:53 <kilobyte> I haven't watched Ds code closely, I'm afraid I can't provide much input here :(
15:51:49 <headzone> i like the idea of a given character getting assigned a couple of aspects more or less randomly early on that evolve consistently over time, plus a chance for out-of-aspect changes that are consistent with xl
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16:02:37 <kilobyte> WTF, DEPTH: with an unqualified number is absdepth1 not absdepth0
16:02:53 <kilobyte> got to repeat a crapload of work, just f.... great
16:04:49 <kilobyte> this really makes me want to not only reduce the amount of absdepth but to eliminate that crap completely
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16:20:08 <Henzell> Lawman0 the Archmage (L27 HOFE) ASSERT(zombie_class_size(cs) == Z_NOZOMBIE || zombie_class_size(cs) == mons_zombie_size(base)) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 2053 failed on turn 195870. (Zig:22)
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17:01:19 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r9c37478fa520 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des: List all places where uniques can spawn in full, rather via absdepth.
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