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03:28:28 <headzone> would it be possible to change the vampiric wield message from "As you grasp it, you feel a great hunger. Being not satiated, you stop." to "You feel too hungry to wield this weapon." or some other message with clearer/better english
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03:29:51 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  are you around by any chance?
03:31:36 <|amethyst> headzone:  I don't know that that's an improvement.
03:33:53 <headzone> it would have been the first time i saw it
03:34:00 <headzone> as it was i had no clue what it was telling me
03:34:27 <ghallberg> The "Being not satiated, you stop" construction is clumsy and hard for non-natives.
03:34:38 <|amethyst> aha
03:34:54 <|amethyst> yeah, nominative absolute isn't a common construction
03:34:55 <headzone> i'm a native and it was still baffling ;)
03:35:11 <ghallberg> And satiated is not a common word.
03:35:26 <headzone> (not just because of the phrasing but also because "satiated" could potentially mean all kinds of things)
03:35:36 <ghallberg> It's all kinds of clumsy :D
03:35:38 <|amethyst> yeah "full" would be better because that's the term used in the UI
03:36:16 <ghallberg> "You should fill your stomach before wielding this weapon":)
03:36:32 <ghallberg> "being not full" sounds even crazier.
03:36:48 <|amethyst> right, I meant along with a change to the construction
03:37:01 <|amethyst> "being not full, blah" is a strange mix of registers
03:37:50 <ghallberg> Yeah.
03:38:02 <kilobyte> the current phrasing sounds far better to me.  It conveys that you learned the item is vampiric, and doesn't appear to be clumsy, too.
03:38:44 <kilobyte> although I natively speak a language with a quite free word order, though, so I may be biased
03:38:51 <|amethyst> "Being not satiated, you stop."  is a little over-formal
03:39:08 <|amethyst> I wouldn't want to lose the first sentence though
03:39:33 <headzone> at the very least it should be "Not being satiated" but there's got to be a better way to communicate this sentence
03:39:34 <ghallberg> |amethyst: Seconded
03:39:35 <|amethyst> or at least something that indicates that the item is making you hungry
03:40:19 <|amethyst> "not being satiated" is an improvement, yeah
03:40:40 <ghallberg> Yeah
03:41:24 <|amethyst> but getting rid of the nominative absolute would be an improvement
03:41:32 <|amethyst> kilobyte:   so I think I finally got something
03:41:54 <due> "Due to your lack of satiation, you cease movement" is super-formal.
03:42:13 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  (for the stash-into-lua thing)
03:42:32 <headzone> due: not so much formal as poor :)
03:42:39 <headzone> maybe "As you grasp it, you feel a great hunger.  You don't feel full enough to wield this weapon."
03:42:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  I'm adding a flag to the item_wrapper saying whether the item_def needs to be deleted
03:42:59 <kilobyte> "due to blunt trauma, your metabolism slows down then stops"
03:43:08 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  then adding a __gc function to the itemaccess metatable
03:44:10 <kilobyte> |amethyst: oh, sounds better than what I had in mind (a vector in "you", cleared after every turn)
03:44:16 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  and a new version of clua_push_item (called clua_push_item_temp) that new()s a copy of the item and sets that flag
03:45:14 <elliptic> !tell MarvinPA this boulder beetle just hit my DDPr for 20 damage despite being three squares away and with canines in between
03:45:14 <Henzell> elliptic: OK, I'll let MarvinPA know.
03:45:16 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  there was one other thing... I noticed you and CommanderC both had it returning nothing (effectively, nil) if there were no items
03:45:29 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  I think it would make more sense to return an empty table in that case
03:46:26 <kilobyte> not sure if it's easier to check if the table is empty vs checking whether it exists (my Lua knowledge is _that_ bad)
03:46:34 <|amethyst> hm
03:46:39 <ghallberg> |amethyst: kilobyte: Is there a write up of your stash work somewhere? I don't want to make you explain it all :)
03:47:22 <|amethyst> it's not stash work per se
03:47:43 <|amethyst> just being able to return stashed items from the new CLua items.get_items_at() function
03:47:50 <ghallberg> mmk
03:47:59 <|amethyst> ghallberg:  moment and I'll push it
03:48:39 <headzone> kilobyte: you can create a unique empty table at any time with {}
03:48:46 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  I'll leave the return for now... probably it's *easier* to check for existence, but it seems a little inconsistent
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03:49:30 <|amethyst> (easier as in   if foo   instead of   if #foo)
03:52:02 <headzone> yes, there is no need to check for the number of items to check for table existence
03:53:01 <|amethyst> headzone:  the issue here is a function that returns a list of items on a square; if the square is empty, is it more natural to return an empty list or nothing/nil
03:53:04 <|amethyst> ?
03:53:32 <|amethyst> If you were scripting with that, which would annoy you less?
03:53:34 <|amethyst> :)
03:53:57 <headzone> empty list
03:54:11 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  you okay with that?
03:54:32 <headzone> returning nil could mean some kind of failure condition; empty list means it succeeded but there was just nothing there
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03:54:55 <kilobyte> headzone: something more to check
03:55:31 <kilobyte> headzone: although there is one legitimate failure, not knowing the square vs there being nothing on it
03:56:36 <|amethyst> and the point being out of bounds
03:57:00 <kilobyte> no, that'd be an information leak
03:57:10 <|amethyst> oh, right
03:57:13 <kilobyte> you're not supposed to know where the map ends
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03:59:44 <headzone> basically unless it is guaranteed that the only two possible results from the call are (or will ever be) "no items" or "some items", you don't want to return nil for the former
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04:05:05 <headzone> that also lets you say "this function returns a table if and only if the call is successful"
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04:15:20 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * r21ea1fbfabd3 10/crawl-ref/source/ (cluautil.h l_item.cc): Return multiple items from items.get_items_at().
04:15:23 <|amethyst> kilobyte:   btw, you can change the status to "open" instead of "reopened" (I already did for this one) using the "Update Issue" button
04:19:41 <ghallberg> Då ses vi i eftermiddag/kväll då.
04:19:45 <ghallberg> meh
05:00:06 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1273-gef185ba
05:02:16 <Gretell> AnonymousBosch (L27 MfGl) ASSERT(feat < NUM_FEATURES) in 'feature.cc' at line 24 failed. (Abyss)
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09:23:50 <Cheibriados> old game blocking spectating in Webtiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5586) by araganzar
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09:33:51 <kilobyte> Houston, we have a problem.  Not a single reasonable key left for toggling autothrow, and I wouldn't encroach upon F1 & co.
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09:34:46 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * rcdd3b586592f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/lua/autofight.lua: A toggle for autothrow, not bound to a key yet.
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09:35:32 <ghallberg> We need to clear out some kwys I gues...
09:37:53 <kilobyte> blocking ally item micromanagement is tempting, but it'd lead to giving a hostile orc knight some good gear and only then subduing it
09:39:02 <st_> make shift-tab toggle between normal, stationary and throwing modes?
09:39:14 <st_> not sure if shifttabbers use it and normal tab or not
09:41:29 <MarvinPA> |, ^V, ^E, O are all pretty useless
09:41:30 <Henzell> MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
09:41:46 <MarvinPA> well O isn't quite because i guess you can't set autoexplore to stop at doors
09:41:55 <kilobyte> ^V is quite nice
09:41:57 <MarvinPA> but if you could then O could go
09:42:25 <kilobyte> ^E is useless, like explicit stashing that has been almost completely removed
09:43:22 <MarvinPA> oh wait i was thinking of the old ^V, my bad
09:43:30 <MarvinPA> new one is cool, yeah
09:44:14 <MarvinPA> but yeah, ^E's only function seems to be to confuse people when they accidentally press it
09:45:55 <MarvinPA> also R and T are useless and equip_unequip could just be the regular behaviour, but everyone seems to like having 4 commands instead of 2 there for some reason
09:46:03 <ChrisOelmueller> | is useless?
09:46:07 <ChrisOelmueller> i use that quite often
09:46:12 <kilobyte> E is useless: XL and % to level are on the HUD, play time is on %, the only unique thing, felid next life estimate, could be moved elsewhere.
09:46:48 <galehar> speaking of cool new function looking for a key, commanderC coded autopray: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4395
09:46:58 <kilobyte> MarvinPA: uhm no, it'd be an usability nightmare: the commands being idempotent really reduces the number of mistakes
09:47:26 <kilobyte> MarvinPA: otherwise, you'd have to read every wearing item prompt even if you remember the item's letter
09:47:43 <MarvinPA> worn items are highlighted and unworn items aren't
09:47:49 <MarvinPA> so it's pretty obvious at a glance
09:48:04 <MarvinPA> maybe i changed the colours to make that more clear though, i forget what the defaults are
09:48:16 <kilobyte> except that you have to stop, search for the item, and check if it's worn or not
09:48:40 <MarvinPA> what? no you don't, all the worn ones are at the top
09:48:58 <kilobyte> still takes a moment
09:49:18 <kilobyte> while "PA" does not (if the ring in question is on A)
09:50:10 <ChrisOelmueller> i do agree with MarvinPA on R/T though
09:50:31 <Eronarn> what about making stuff that's on E get printed out when you do a dump
09:50:35 <MarvinPA> "at the top and highlighted in a different colour" seems pretty clear to me but whatever, it seems well established that everyone else prefers making things more confusing and having twice as many commands as necessary :P
09:51:32 <kilobyte> what's exactly confusing in a command for "wear item" and another for "remove item"?
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09:51:49 <kilobyte> these are pretty opposite actions...
09:52:04 <vivec> ok, I'm trying a NaTM, what do I do with all the UC/spellcasting hybriding
09:52:06 <kilobyte> ie, you'd make things more confusing :p
09:52:21 <MarvinPA> vivec: wrong channel :)
09:52:25 <vivec> oops
09:52:32 <vivec> always joining the crawl dev, lol, my bad
09:52:42 <galehar> E is a prime candidate to be salvaged, this is not controversial
09:52:48 <galehar> O too imo
09:52:59 <vivec> E what?
09:53:01 <galehar> what's the point of ^E?
09:53:20 <kilobyte> galehar: confusing people!
09:53:29 <MarvinPA> confusing people who accidentally exclude a square from the stash tracker, yeah :P
09:53:39 <MarvinPA> (ie also uncontroversial to remove)
09:54:14 <kilobyte> it made sense when the stash tracker was off by default
09:55:03 <phyphor> Why do we have different commands to wear armour and wear (put on) jewelery?
09:55:20 <Eronarn> to make it a little easier to read the lists of items
09:55:30 <Eronarn> we could accomplish the same effect by having headings though
09:55:37 <phyphor> I understand it is useful to differentiate between wielding and wearing (in case you want to wield a non-weapon)
09:55:57 <phyphor> Although I disagree with that one, also
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09:56:44 <phyphor> Eronarn: In that case we should have a different command for wearing head gear, putting on gloves, booting yourself, and so on :)
09:56:49 <ChrisOelmueller> ^E has a useful function on X (is this discussed right now?)
09:57:30 <kilobyte> ChrisOelmueller: main game keybindings
09:57:48 <ChrisOelmueller> yeah i have no idea how coupled those are to different modes :)
09:58:10 <kilobyte> I tried to search for when explicit stash support has been removed, I went to the SVN->git transition and gave up.
09:58:23 <kilobyte> ie, there's no chance anyone uses that, really
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10:08:22 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1275-gcdd3b58 (32)
10:09:02 <galehar> kilobyte: I'm all for removing ^T, but the AI needs to be much improved first.
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10:34:36 <|amethyst> what about one of , or g?
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10:42:11 <|amethyst> more controversially, prayer could become an 'a'bility
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10:46:51 <Eronarn> definitely in favor of that
10:49:16 <st_> considering how many times a blood god requires you to press p doubling the number of keys for it wouldn't be good
10:49:33 <st_> and los pray has it's issues
10:51:00 <vivec> sacrificing is horrible, and I speak for every single person who has ever sacrificed a corpse
10:51:14 <Patashu> corpses should be auto-sacrificed if they leave your LOS
10:51:20 <Patashu> (not sure what to do about nemelex though)
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10:58:42 <Eronarn> st_: los pray isn't too bad... i think it would be better if we coupled the ability with other stuff though
10:58:47 <|amethyst> btw, how do you do "display current weapon"?
10:59:02 <|amethyst> "??" says 0, but that is the command count prefix
10:59:23 <Eronarn> like if you use the trog sacrifice, magic user corpses might burt into flame, and berserking things extend
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10:59:40 <MarvinPA> oh, that's what used to be ^V that should be removed
10:59:45 <MarvinPA> no idea what key it's on now
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11:08:23 <Zannick> if nothing else, current weapon is listed in %
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11:12:44 <MarvinPA> or uh, on the main screen at all times
11:13:02 <Zannick> also that :)
11:13:40 <|amethyst> I added a list of the things we discussed here to https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:interface:interface_ideas#free_up_some_keybindings
11:13:57 <|amethyst> I skipped  W/P/T/R merging because the page already has a section about that
11:15:13 <|amethyst> oh, though of another:  < and > could be merged
11:15:39 <MarvinPA> oh ok the old ^V was just removed outright, cool
11:16:03 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  it's still listed in ?? under the wrong key (0)
11:16:34 <MarvinPA> also in keybind.txt, although i have a feeling that's way out of date in a bunch of places
11:16:54 <Zannick> i'd leave < and > as-is because they have distinct bindings that are similar to the normal bindings when looking at the level map
11:17:05 <|amethyst> that's true
11:17:28 <Zannick> (and even if you did merge them i wouldn't recommend putting anything on whichever was freed up)
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11:36:54 <CIA-115> 03MarvinPA * r082d911c674c 10/crawl-ref/ (docs/keybind.txt source/command.cc): Update help for some removed/changed/undocumented commands
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12:28:37 <CIA-115> 03galehar * r92ee5181cb54 10/crawl-ref/source/ (menu.cc menu.h skill_menu.cc skill_menu.h): Unprotect PrecisionMenu::clear_selections.
12:28:48 <CIA-115> 03galehar * rb33b8708eee6 10/crawl-ref/source/hiscores.cc: Reorder the attach_object calls of the high score menu (BlackSheep).
12:28:48 <CIA-115> 03galehar * r50e56bfa4360 10/crawl-ref/source/hiscores.cc: Clear selection in the high score menu after viewing a morgue file.
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13:09:49 <MarvinPA> unrandart identification seems to tell you when there's an unrand on the level even if you haven't seen it yet
13:09:54 <MarvinPA> on the notes screen
13:10:41 <MarvinPA> i just used it to track down the lightning scales in some weird vault in the middle of geh:5 despite having explored barely any of the floor
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13:32:52 <Cheibriados> Unrand identification leaks information (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5587) by MarvinPA
13:33:07 <elliptic> speaking of unrands, can we fix them not getting autoinscribed?
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13:44:14 <elliptic> phyphor: yes, the problem is that there are at least two bugs with how they do so
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15:04:16 <Cheibriados> Instant drowning in abyss after being teleported. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5588) by puppykicker
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16:43:34 <galehar> how about removing abyss teleports? Since we added morphing, it seems a bit redundant
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16:57:08 <alefury> why? morphing is still gradual change, and it wont get you away from monsters (or close to new ones)
16:57:41 <elliptic> yeah, I like abyss teleports
16:58:42 <galehar> I did reduce the frequency when I added morphing. Opinion on that?
16:59:05 <elliptic> not sure why you did... they seem pretty independent to me
16:59:59 <elliptic> part of the abyss experience is getting an abyss teleport to save you while running from a cloud of monsters... or alternatively getting an abyss teleport while two squares away from the exit
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17:00:44 <elliptic> current frequency does seem fine though, I wouldn't have known frequency was reduced
17:01:58 <galehar> 3031
17:01:59 <galehar> sorry :)
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17:02:58 <galehar> I reduced it from 1 chance in 30 to 1 chance in 80
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17:03:46 <elliptic> it was at 1 in 30 for every turn? that sounds... higher than I remember
17:04:09 <galehar> it was
17:04:18 <galehar> it used to be quite frequent
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17:05:21 <elliptic> also 1 chance in 80 sounds higher than it currently is, but maybe I'm just bad at judging these things
17:06:30 <Eronarn> was it maybe 1 in 30 for every 20 turns or whatever wrath is
17:06:36 <Eronarn> it definitely was not 1 in 30 steps
17:06:40 <galehar> elliptic: if you want to adjust it down, go ahead, you've got commit rights :) (main.cc:3031)
17:07:39 <galehar> oh, it's in a one chance in 10 block
17:07:40 <elliptic> ah, that sounds much more like it
17:08:08 <elliptic> possibly I think it should be a little lower (60 maybe)... I'll think about it
17:11:47 <galehar> regarding #5588, I'm not sure how it happened. Abyss teleport end up in _abyss_generate_new_area() which put the player on floor
17:12:01 <galehar> and morphing don't touch the player pos
17:12:29 <galehar> which isn't great. I'd like it better if it pushed the player around, like shoals tide do
17:13:12 <galehar> I've heard of people using the abyss morphing to entomb themselves
17:13:25 <Eronarn> is that a problem?
17:13:30 <Eronarn> you could hide in places in old abyss
17:14:13 <galehar> well, why would the abyss nicely morph around you and don't touch your pos?
17:14:23 <galehar> you should be shoved around
17:14:30 <Eronarn> why would it single you out to move you around?
17:14:50 <HangedMan> shove everything around, then
17:14:51 <galehar> it pushes items
17:15:11 <galehar> monsters maybe, I'm not sure
17:15:14 <HangedMan> speaking of that it's kind of weird that every item is pushed out of liquids
17:15:20 <HangedMan> monsters get "pulled into the abyss"
17:15:42 <galehar> well, pushing monsters and player would be better imo
17:15:54 <HangedMan> out of liquids?
17:16:11 <galehar> items used to be destroyed when the abyss morphed on them. It ended up being a very empty place
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17:16:49 <galehar> HangedMan: yeah, as I said, just like shoals tide.
17:17:42 <HangedMan> yay, more circumstances to use kraken corpses
17:18:00 <galehar> ?
17:18:30 <HangedMan> maybe my dislike was more of the liquid monster corpses being thrown out of water instantly once the monster dies
17:19:10 <galehar> hmm right
17:19:36 <galehar> could be smarter with that
17:21:56 <galehar> what if everything (items/monsters/players) ends up on the same terrain type as they were before the morphing?
17:23:25 <Eronarn> that sounds reasonable
17:52:50 <galehar> proposal, a new option/switch for the skill menu: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4405#p57495
17:57:09 <evilmike> Not sure if I'd want to use "single" mode, but maybe someone would like it
17:57:09 <Henzell> evilmike: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
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17:58:57 <galehar> really? You never train a single skill at a time?
17:59:40 <tholmes> i'd use single, but that said it's not too hard to just turn one off, turn one on
17:59:46 <tholmes> not sure if you really need an option to enforce it?
17:59:48 <evilmike> I do, but I sometimes train two at a time
18:00:02 <evilmike> if it's in the rcfile, that implies I have to go and change my options if I want to train two skills
18:00:43 <galehar> or set the option to "single, normal" and have a switch to toggle between the 2 modes
18:00:53 <galehar> or "single, focus"
18:01:17 <evilmike> ah, I see
18:01:34 <evilmike> I'd use that, yeah. it would be a nice way to quickly disable several skills
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18:01:51 <evilmike> although having a mode for it might not be the best way. What if shift+letter enables that skill and disables all others?
18:02:39 <galehar> evilmike: there's more than 26 skills
18:03:16 <evilmike> oh, heh. I never counted
18:03:35 <galehar> also, if you start in single mode, only the highest level skill is enabled by default
18:03:41 <HangedMan> maybe push the other skills over onto numbers instead of capital letters?
18:04:53 <evilmike> what happens if you have more than 26 skills trainable? Does it go to numbers?
18:05:17 <galehar> capital letters
18:05:21 <evilmike> ah
18:05:29 <galehar> which is why shift+letter doesn't work
18:05:40 <galehar> there are 33 skills
18:05:57 <galehar> so letters + numbers could work
18:06:28 <galehar> max would be 36
18:07:00 <galehar> If we go over that, we have some big design problem :)
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18:07:11 <HangedMan> I can only think of one proposed additional skill and a lot of skill cutting
18:07:18 <evilmike> only problem with shift+number is you dont want it to overlap with already defined keys
18:07:21 <evilmike> such as *
18:07:27 <HangedMan> pah
18:07:33 <evilmike> also, I think different keyboard layouts map different things to shift+number
18:07:42 <HangedMan> ...double pah
18:07:43 <evilmike> I don't know how big the variation is though
18:08:08 <galehar> yeah, shift + numbers might be wonky
18:08:29 <galehar> on  the other hand, it would be to single-toggle 27+ skills
18:09:01 <galehar> which you can work around and is extremely rare
18:11:10 <galehar> or maybe ctrl+letter instead of shift+letter. I dismissed it, because ctrl+shift+letter doesn't work, but if we cange capital letters to numbers, it might work.
18:12:51 <ChrisOelmueller> shift+number does not yield the same result for different keyboard layouts
18:12:58 <ChrisOelmueller> but i still like the idea
18:13:19 <ChrisOelmueller> haha, /me wanders off training log reading skill
18:13:33 <|amethyst> It doesn't yield the same result on a single keyboard layout, because numpad
18:15:03 <galehar> as I said, if you can't single/toggle skills > 27, it's not a reason to dismiss the interface change
18:18:52 <MarvinPA> there are so many skill management-related options already, would be nice to streamline it a bit rather than add new ones :P
18:19:37 <MarvinPA> i don't think having a single skill at a time is really enough to have its own setting, at least
18:22:12 <evilmike> I think allowing shift+letter (or some version of that) improves things without adding needless complexity, though. It's optional and doesn't require another toggle
18:23:04 <evilmike> the main reason I like it is I've often wanted something like it. Mainly thought about it in terms of having a "disable all skills" button
18:34:53 <ChrisOelmueller> such a button would be most useful right after game start for certain backgrounds
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18:42:23 <HangedMan> one can deconstruct wood golems but not trees, why is this
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18:45:39 <G-Flex> HangedMan: I was wondering about trees earlier
18:45:49 <G-Flex> although living wood and lumber aren't quite the same
18:46:07 <HangedMan> well, ice beasts count as living ice?
18:46:13 <HangedMan> erm
18:46:21 <G-Flex> I mean in real life
18:46:29 <G-Flex> the materials aren't quite the same
18:46:34 <G-Flex> a wood golem might be more dry/dead wood
18:46:36 <HangedMan> fair enough
18:46:55 <G-Flex> a tree is more knotty and wet and stuff
18:47:05 <G-Flex> and has less consistent texture/grain
18:47:14 <G-Flex> compared to something like lumber I mean, or whatever stuff is actually built out of wood
18:47:20 <G-Flex> no idea what a "wood golem" is supposed to be like, though
18:50:46 <|amethyst> Pinocchio
18:51:11 <|amethyst> but meaner, I guess
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19:17:04 <due> pinocchio was a bastard
19:17:31 <HangedMan> fr unique wood golem named
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20:08:28 <|amethyst> wall and floor are # and .
20:08:29 <|amethyst> doh
20:09:14 <evilmike> true
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20:31:07 <Cheibriados> Controlled blink repetition (like "05Z") casts controlled blink an extra time (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5589) by nrook
20:35:35 <nrook> hmm, looks like blink() returns one of three values, -1, 0, and 1
20:36:28 <nrook> -1 is SPRET_ABORT, 1 is SPRET_SUCCESS, and 0 is used literally once (for aborted semicontrolled blinks which should nonetheless take a turn) and from what I can tell never checked by any callers
20:37:04 <nrook> I'm having a hard time seeing why this isn't just returning spret_type, so time to patch it to do so
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22:15:51 <Gretell> WallyJ (L15 HOPr) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 435 failed. (D:17)
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22:25:07 <nicolae-> hello! i have a question: is it intentional for jumping spiders to be able to jump through iron grates
22:29:19 <|amethyst> probably not, no
22:30:04 <nicolae-> okay, should i submit it as a bug, then
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22:30:48 <|amethyst> yes :)
22:34:36 <G-Flex> is there any way to properly examine something in a stack without picking it up?
22:34:40 <G-Flex> I mean, get to its description screen
22:37:09 <|amethyst> G-Flex:  if it's at the top of the stack, xv
22:37:19 <G-Flex> yeah I mean if it's underneath under items
22:37:22 <|amethyst> otherwise, use ctrl-x or the stash tracker
22:37:34 <G-Flex> stash tracker?
22:37:40 <|amethyst> ctrl-f
22:37:47 <G-Flex> oh that's what that's called
22:37:49 <G-Flex> thanks
22:37:56 <G-Flex> I forgot about ctrl-X, or didn't know you could examine through it
22:38:16 <|amethyst> you have to press ! to examine (default action is travel)
22:38:20 <|amethyst> same for ctrl-f
22:38:21 <G-Flex> yeah I noticed
22:43:14 <Cheibriados> Jumping spiders can jump through iron grates (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5590) by nicolae
22:55:23 <evilmike> i just made a new account (default options) and autofight gives me "Lua error"
22:56:29 <evilmike> oh, the rcfile is completely empty
23:00:46 <nicolae-> a quick question: what source file has the function for assigning brands to randarts
23:01:04 <nicolae-> is it makeitem.cc or do randarts get their own deal
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23:06:43 <Gretell> Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1279-g50e56bf
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