00:03:37 -!- bhahn has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:15 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1120-g17df583 (32) 00:04:41 Anyone know about the Lua interface? 00:07:41 anyone? 00:11:55 -!- bmh has left ##crawl-dev 00:20:25 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1120-g17df583 00:40:31 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:09 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:40 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 01:38:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:39:37 kilobyte: I'm going to take a look at changing constricting to a vector or a map and make it use mid. Anything else wrong about the current implementation? 02:03:14 -!- shirish has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:29 unknown monster: "charred statue" 02:07:29 %??charred statue 02:07:38 unknown monster: "vampire noble" 02:07:38 %??vampire noble 02:08:45 |amethyst: it looks like monster stopped handling vault-defined monsters at some point (@? works but @?? and %?? do not) 02:18:09 just noticed a bug, not sure if people know about it 02:18:17 I press W when using blade hands, and get "You can't wear anything in your present form." 02:18:25 even though some slots are available 02:20:17 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:37 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:29:23 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:32:51 -!- bbbb has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:02 -!- bbbb is now known as F-Glex 02:34:06 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:45:24 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:44 -!- F-Glex is now known as G-Flex 03:00:34 G-Flex: thanks, looking into it 03:13:33 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 03:15:09 -!- Textmode has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:35 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:17:24 -!- bhahn has quit [Quit: bhahn] 03:24:12 galehar: it was on a draconian if that matters 03:25:25 03galehar * rb8d5efd75ad4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): Fix blade hands not being able to wear and remove armour. 03:28:05 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 03:28:09 !seen kilobyte 03:28:09 I last saw kilobyte at Fri Apr 13 00:01:25 2012 UTC (8h 26m 44s ago) saying !learn edit xom_reasons[6] s/$/ 1/ on ##crawl-dev. 03:28:54 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:43 Atenologic (L23 DgCj) (Vault:8) 04:12:36 -!- shirish has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:21:28 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:16 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:10 -!- bhahn has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:24 oh, by the way 04:41:31 Arachne in my game dropped her staff at some point and picked up a mace 04:41:39 but her spell text still mentions her staff 04:46:19 hmm right, easier to just mark staves of poison a "signature weapon" for her 04:46:35 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:46:45 and Olgreb, if she happens to get it into her hands 04:47:04 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:45 kilobyte: I don't want to get involved in the constriction mimic debate (especially since I left because of a constriction issue) -- but one comment: if someone added hellfire or torment today, it might be judged as overly harsh as well. (Personally, I think that drastic measures are good: they may lead to unfair deaths but they will also lead to interesting situations.) 04:49:55 note to no one in general: mimics could also sometimes be clinging (like leeches) 04:50:39 fr: zot trap mimics. the only kind of mimic people are glad to see 04:50:47 ...and then they do random miscast effects on you 04:50:54 :) 04:51:54 or 04:51:57 dpeg: clinging is one of proposed alternate solutions, yeah 04:52:00 a monster spell that turns walls into wall mimics in los 04:52:22 'Norris chants. The walls are closing in on you!' 04:53:40 Looks like none of the testers (at least 4/5) failed at quantified drop in tutorial; or we should say, the interface failed them. 04:56:27 I wonder if this would work: in the drop menu, choose item; then you can use - to drop less and the amount is shown somewhere. (Of course, you can use + to increase the amount back.) 04:56:46 Keskitalo: it's very error-prone, too -- I personally fail to drop part of a stack like 1/3 of the time 04:57:25 The number you type doesn't get displayed anywhere. 04:57:33 yeah 04:57:47 and it often decides to instead flip the drop/don't drop flag instead 04:59:45 Ah, + and - already are drop interface commands. 05:01:41 Showing the number would be an obvious improvement, implementable? 05:05:57 Keskitalo: yes 05:06:20 kilobyte: my point is that constriction on a mimic shouldn't be out of the question only because it's hard 05:07:09 constriction in its present state should have never been merged in the first place 05:07:21 the formulas have been recently overhauled but are still pretty bad 05:07:32 the code needs to be desperately redone from scratch 05:09:35 and the design isn't that hot either -- like, the concept of damage growing without a cap 05:09:51 I won't discuss this. 05:10:38 even a brief gimmick like jumping spider webbing you proved to be a lot better than constriction 05:11:18 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:12:36 @??red wasp 05:12:37 red wasp (05y) | Speed: 15 | HD: 8 | Health: 32-57 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Damage: 2304(paralyse) | Flags: fly | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 544. 05:12:38 @??ghost moth 05:12:38 ghost moth (06y) | Speed: 12 | HD: 13 | Health: 50-89 | AC/EV: 16/10 | Damage: 1805(drain strength), 1805(drain dexterity), 1208(nasty poison) | Flags: fly | Res: 06magic(104), 02cold, 03poison | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 2288. 05:12:43 well, looks like this is when I die 05:13:30 wow, I didn't 05:15:00 paralysed, or...? 05:28:27 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:30 I typed all of that in the wrong channel, sorry 05:28:45 I had like 28 HP and was surrounded by a ghost moth and two red wasps with no MP left 05:31:49 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:59 -!- HousePet has quit [Quit: Divide by cucumber error] 05:38:59 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:48 -!- Dixbert has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:11:39 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:24 headzone: I forgot to thank you for the 0.10.2 writeup, thanks. 06:46:17 03kilobyte * r41a3105db584 10/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc: Forbid Arachne from wielding things other than staves of poison. 06:46:17 03kilobyte * r1f3950a6c6a1 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Do a checkpoint save on Abyss new area shifts. 06:46:19 03kilobyte * rd3fc1dc84d5b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (food.cc misc.cc misc.h): Auto-id rings of hunger on the first food state decrease message. 06:46:19 03kilobyte * r166bc0478f32 10/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc: Don't name the number of tentacles equivalent to three hands. 06:46:53 "kilobyte * rd3fc1dc84d5b /crawl-ref/source/ (food.cc misc.cc misc.h): Auto-id rings of hunger on the first food state decrease message." I like that change ^^ 06:47:03 I can usually guess when I have a hunger ring on, but it's great to know for sure 06:48:22 yeah, if you can't recall when you last ate something, you can read the turn counter and you'll know for sure the next time 06:49:41 and you could have written a script to store the counter, to be always sure on the first try 06:56:38 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:26:05 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:35 4 up stairs in Lair:1 (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5559) by ldierk 07:49:47 huh 07:49:54 what's the problem with 5559? 08:07:36 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:59 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:30:18 -!- PatashuXantheres has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:23 -!- PatashuXantheres has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33:29 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:33:36 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:08 kilobyte: is the constriction really that bad? Appart from the ugly table that needs to be replaced by a pointer to a vectore, the rest doesn't seem to be that bad 08:42:43 or is there other parts that need to be rewritten? 08:44:10 regarding growing damage without a cap, I guess it could be stepdowned or something 08:56:03 how about capped? 08:56:33 -!- shirish has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:32 or perhaps it could be entirely flat, or mostly entirely flat 09:02:02 i don't see why it needs to grow particularly, yeah 09:02:04 currently it's: can you kill the monster in 2-3 turns? If yes, do it. If not, blink or die. 09:02:50 if blinking didn't have a counter to restart, it'd remove most of the issue there 09:04:13 an unspoiled player has no clue constriction damage from a popcorn enemy will grow so high 09:04:52 ie, if you have a ball python and several actual threats around, you won't notice until suddenly you lose 15+ hp per turn 09:05:43 also, having flat damage would make it easier to balance: comparing monsters would involve directly comparing damage numbers 09:06:48 "claw 20" can be expected to be roughly as dangerous as "constrict 20", with differences no bigger than those AF_COLD and such have 09:07:45 I mean, constriction has the advantage of always hitting after the first non-miss 09:09:25 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:59 if we want it to grow more reasonably, we could add (dur + k) / dur 09:10:30 but then it might not be necessary yeah 09:11:06 btw, does the damage of the contriction attack has any effect? Does it also do damage on hit on top of starting constriction? 09:12:03 not at all, it seems 09:13:47 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:04 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 09:14:04 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:13 got to leave in a few mins, a few quick questions: 09:19:38 1. the quality of items in Zigs depends on absdepth of where you entered the Ziggurat from 09:19:48 (or the depth of Pan portal you took) 09:20:24 should it be just a fixed number? or perhaps something to do with the depth inside the actual Ziggurat? 09:21:16 depth inside Zig already matters for selecting between * and | 09:21:17 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:45 it should definitely depend on depth inside zig 09:21:58 entrance depth shouldn't have any effect imo 09:22:45 oh, good_loot appears to be rare: one_chance_in(depth) 09:23:47 about constriction damage from monsters, how about we just deal the constriction attack damage each turn instead of complicated formulas with hd and duration? 09:24:31 galehar: oooh, dropping hd and such in addition to only duration as I suggested sounds good 09:25:47 2. the _number_ of loot items in Zigs depends on the Ziggurat's fee 09:26:17 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:37 a 10k Zig has 1.5 times the loot of a 0k one, linearly 09:26:45 do people do zigs for the loot? 09:26:49 I thought they only did it for bragging rights 09:27:32 Zig prices vary from 2k to 14k 09:27:41 some people do it for loot, yes 09:27:48 i think having the loot somehow depend on the entry fee isn't too bad, seems sort of reasonable 09:28:25 doesn't seem like a big deal either way to me i guess, wouldn't mind it being simpler either 09:29:08 MarvinPA: hmm, ok. I just realized handling wizmode isn't that hard either, so both options work. 09:35:20 if (unidentified = rpois), then (poison chunks give no nutrition) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5560) by akaean 09:50:44 -!- RandomBK has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:06 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .] 09:53:17 Banzaitrooper the Severer (L13 MiBe) ASSERT(!src_pos.origin()) in 'mon-behv.cc' at line 924 failed on turn 20774. (Lair:8) 10:01:58 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1125-g166bc04 (32) 10:09:59 Banzaitrooper the Severer (L14 MiBe) ASSERT(!src_pos.origin()) in 'mon-behv.cc' at line 924 failed on turn 23812. 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(-1) (D:10) 13:29:22 c23 (L11 KoBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 171: Webtiles message too long! (-1) (D:10) 14:06:52 -!- BlankDiploma has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:20 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:43 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Client Quit] 14:17:26 huh 14:17:30 elliptic * re15057997562 /crawl-ref/source/beam.cc: Prevent IMB explosion abuse with aiming past monsters. 14:17:41 was it possible to shoot through monsters using IMB?! 14:17:55 IMB can miss 14:18:18 ? 14:18:22 ?? 14:18:29 it always could 14:18:36 wait - lol - I do not really understand what the bug was :D 14:18:53 not really important, however, I was just curious^^ 14:19:00 the abuse was that you could aim past a monster, and then even if you missed the monster, you would have a chance of hitting it with the explosion 14:19:26 aaah, okay, increasing the chance to hit compared to aiming directly at the monster :-) 14:19:46 thanks for the explaination^^ 14:19:56 yes... IMB explosion was intended for use against multiple monsters, not to get more damage against a single monster 14:20:04 I wonder though, what's the point in IMB shooting at (2,2) but not closer (1,2)? 14:20:34 kilobyte: mainly because I wanted the chance to pass through each of the eight adjacent squares to be equal 14:21:21 it can be done using the targetter code rather than beams... this way you'll also get a warning that you're likely to hit an ally 14:22:30 another thing I noticed: 14:22:30 when I ssh into crawl.whatever.org and idle some time, I get disconnected with the message "Recieved HUP signal, saving game". 14:22:30 is that a client-side disconnect? Does my client send the HUP after inactivity or does crawl.whatever.org kill idle sessions after some time? 14:22:35 really? the explosion happens wherever the beam ends, so determining whether you are likely to hit an ally seems sort of complicated 14:23:22 it would be good to get the warning though, certainly 14:23:32 elliptic: we'd need to try an explosion at every possible destination, but that's doable -- exploding darts already do it in a hacky way 14:25:38 -!- petete has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:19 there's one problem: there are only two colours currently, one for "will affect that place unless you miss", and "may or not affect that place" 14:27:09 IMB would need three: the center, possible explosion if you hit, possible explosions if you miss 14:29:55 yeah... not sure what would be best 14:30:42 changing how the explosion works is also possible of course, though I'm reasonably happy with how it plays currently aside from the interface 14:32:47 adding a third colour (fourth, actually -- there's a "tracer" too) in console is easy, not sure about tiles 14:33:53 although tiles have already been made conflate the tracer with "might hit" against my express wishes, that works only because no targetter currently makes a strong distinction between the two 14:34:30 (it's mostly meant for beams, which use the old directn still -- ie, they don't have niceties like shown reflections, etc) 14:47:22 elliptic: you didn't make a monster tracer, too, did you? 14:48:20 kilobyte: neither player nor monster tracers know about the explosion 14:49:51 I guess it may be best to generalize the code, too 14:50:26 it would handle shotgun/cone spells when/if I get around to them, for example 14:51:08 this way making the player tracer work would handle monsters for free 14:52:08 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53:21 -!- qqryq_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:54:21 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * rfd9a17cc0938 10/crawl-ref/source/wiz-dgn.cc: Announce that &p succeeded. 14:54:22 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r42bed3cbbff0 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/ (des/portals/ziggurat.des dlua/ziggurat.lua): Ziggurats: use the real branch depth instead of keeping own notion of it. 14:54:22 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * rc93c868ff443 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Ziggurats: don't let the dungeon builder add extra downstairs. 14:54:22 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r83487eae2bf0 10/crawl-ref/source/ (branch-data.h dat/des/portals/ziggurat.des notes.cc): Ziggurats: use common code with other branches for milestones. 14:54:23 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * rd9488ded1ccd 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/dlua/ziggurat.lua stairs.cc): Ziggurats: move the exit milestone out of the lua marker. 14:54:23 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * rc7da010a646e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/ziggurat.lua: Ziggurats: no better loot if you enter Pan from a deeper portal in D. 14:54:33 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * ra6be39adbf58 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/ziggurat.lua: Ziggurats: don't store irrelevant data for the portal used to enter the Zig. 14:54:33 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r78036bc8a0b3 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/lab.des: Disallow Labs in Spider; equalize chances in eligible branches. 14:55:20 o_o 15:00:01 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00:24 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r4daf369ad0f0 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/lab.des: Allow Labs in Dwarf. 15:22:51 -!- qqryq has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:21 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:41 -!- BlankDiploma has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:03 I see I somehow failed to apply the /2 nutrition when nauseated and starving to chunks 15:42:22 they currently get only +33% contamination 15:42:37 would simply adding both be ok? 15:43:08 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:32 I think so 15:43:49 "both"? 15:44:11 stacking with the contamination penalty 15:44:56 I'm not sure we actually need to punish eating that much... isn't the +33% contamination already halving nutrition if the chunks are brown? 15:45:02 or do I misremember how that works 15:45:04 currently permafood gives 1/2 nutrition, clean chunks 2/3, contaminated ones 1/2 of what they do normally 15:45:24 at the very least permafood shouldn't be worse 15:45:28 yeah 15:45:34 did all of the trunk cao chars get terminated last night? 15:45:50 heteroy: what do you mean? 15:46:24 i had a character on CAO trunk and now when i wake up i get prompted to create a new char 15:47:42 kilobyte: how about increasing contam ratio by the amount needed to halve nutrition 15:48:05 never mind 15:48:05 so what contam chunks do currently, and clean chunks would be +50% 15:49:13 that sounds outright wrong -- it'd equalize clean and contaminated ones 15:49:53 (if I understand you right) 15:50:35 kilobyte: uh, no 15:51:00 clean chunks would be 50% contam, brown chunks would be 66% contam 15:51:20 i.e. the ratio of nutrition provided would remain the same 15:52:14 ie, nerf clean chunks only? 15:52:55 yes 15:53:49 I don't think that making brown chunks give 1/3 the nutrition they do normally is necessary 15:54:20 it's already pretty hard to escape from near starving + nausea when you're only eating contam chunks iirc, yeah (if you don't dip into permafood) 15:57:04 MarvinPA: well, I think that's the point. And it already works, so maybe no need to make it even worse. 15:57:12 right, that's what i meant 15:57:32 worded it badly i guess :P 16:04:29 -!- Blade has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:36 -!- Blade is now known as Blade- 16:08:28 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:06 <|amethyst> elliptic: got your message about @?? and vault monsters... I'll have to look into it, but it will be no earlier than Monday 16:56:09 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:08 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:01:41 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:30 -!- RandomBK has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:13 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ragdoll] 17:10:03 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:17:53 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:47 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:36 -!- RandomBK has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:45:39 -!- bhahn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:53:38 why are porcupine chunks contaminated 17:55:51 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:06 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:58:46 headzone: why are any chunks contaminated? 17:59:08 raw meat is mostly not a great thing to eat 17:59:24 mental perception of eating humanoids 17:59:44 also a suiting conversation, I am having sushi right now 18:00:01 since when is a porcupine a humanoid 18:00:01 is there porcupine in it? 18:00:32 alefury: contaminated logic mostly makes sense; most contaminated things are nasty creatures or jackals, etc 18:00:32 sadly not 18:00:46 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:00:56 most plain animals are not contaminated 18:01:15 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:01:49 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:12 giant eyeballs are plain, eyes of devastation are plain, 18:02:33 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:57 eye of draining meat is poisonous and contaminated 18:02:58 sharks shouldn't be contaminated 18:03:01 that one really bugs me 18:03:06 for weird creatures it's up the whim of the creature-designer 18:03:15 because magic 18:03:32 but it makes sense for most natural animals to be uncontaminated 18:04:09 -!- Noeda has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:21 centaur, yaktaur 18:04:37 what about them 18:04:57 is one exclusively eating from their lower halves 18:05:00 half clean, half contam :D 18:05:08 they can give half horse/yak meat, half human 18:05:26 would need horses to exist, first 18:05:32 googling around, I see porcupines are considered good meat for humans 18:05:44 anyway, if hounds and yaks and bats and rats are clean, porcupines should be too ;) 18:05:48 kilobyte: most creatures are... 18:06:12 HangedMan: yes, that would be the joke, that you can get horse meat without horses 18:06:25 but what if somebody casts simulacrum??? 18:06:44 then we can have a funny description of the monster 18:06:51 easter eggs are good 18:07:13 -!- bhahn has quit [Quit: bhahn] 18:07:25 I don't think the zombie descriptors get to work like that 18:07:35 ah, too bad 18:08:24 -!- jle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:41 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:13:36 03kilobyte * r64c133e5dc20 10/crawl-ref/source/ (crash.cc dbg-asrt.cc debug.h files.cc state.cc state.h): Remove the now-unused code for emergency saves. 18:13:44 03kilobyte * raeb1c6039565 10/crawl-ref/source/ (database.cc enum.h initfile.cc lang-fake.cc options.h): Use enums rather than string comparison for fake languages. 18:13:44 03kilobyte * r64494c24d1f5 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Make porcupine meat clean. 18:13:44 03kilobyte * r70afa706fbb8 10/crawl-ref/source/output.cc: Eliminate the only use of ASSERT_SAVE (ie, emergency save). 18:13:44 03kilobyte * r305c49cc1502 10/crawl-ref/source/food.cc: Fix chunks being better than permafood when nauseated (and starving). 18:13:45 03kilobyte * r4419df959a47 10/crawl-ref/source/libutil.cc: Mention the region size when asserting out on invalid screen writes. 18:14:03 kilobyte: get sharks while you're in there? :) 18:15:30 Eronarn: as in, hákarl? 18:16:50 -!- jle has quit [*.net *.split] 18:18:54 Eronarn: about fresh shark: it's apparently not good for eating: http://www.isholf.is/gullis/jo/shark.htm 18:30:28 kilobyte: that is only true of some kinds of shark afaik 18:30:44 it's true of giant squid because of their depth/size, but not normal sized squid 18:31:50 but what knid of shark is crawl shark 18:32:26 the contaminated kind 18:32:28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_shark#Greenland_sharks_as_food 18:32:29 i guess 18:32:30 there we go 18:32:41 it's only a few related kinds of sharks which are poisonous irl 18:33:08 "This is due to the presence of the toxin trimethylamine oxide, which, upon digestion, breaks down into trimethylamine, producing effects similar to extreme drunkenness." 18:33:19 also, hilarious, i love the idea of dogs getting drunk on shark meat 18:33:21 ideal meat eating danger 18:34:35 'Also, they store very little urea in their skin (like many deep sea sharks) but store high concentrations of trimethylamine oxide (a nitrogenous waste product). This helps the sleeper shark stabilize proteins that make up swimming muscles, digestive and reproductive hormones against the crushing pressure and intense cold of the deep sea. ' 18:34:43 i guess it is a deep sea thing 18:34:47 shoals is definitely not deep sea, so 18:52:30 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:01 Eronarn: deep underground :p 18:53:21 Eronarn: deep dwarves, deep elves, deep trolls, deep sharks 18:54:07 deep shallows 18:54:30 if I understand this right, eating these sharks needs quite a bit of preparation. And with preparation, for example Russians eat flybanes. 18:54:39 kilobyte: those sharks, yes; most sharks, no 18:54:51 most sharks are like eating other fish (usually even safe to do raw) 18:55:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:55:04 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 18:55:05 it takes only 24 hours of boiling, frequently changing water, to make flybane safe :) 18:55:19 though it's not common in western culture to eat shark, nowadays, not since environmentalism 18:55:39 horrible finning practices 18:56:19 presumably there are not issues of shark fin smuggling in crawl 18:56:35 @??snapping turtle 18:56:35 snapping turtle (03t) | Speed: 9 (act: 80%; swim: 60%) | HD: 10 | Health: 41-83 | AC/EV: 16/5 | Damage: 30(reach) | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 282. 18:56:49 turtle and shark fin soup 18:58:13 fr: mock turtles 18:58:46 @??octopode 18:58:47 octopode (11x) | Speed: 10 | HD: 6 | Health: 28-55 | AC/EV: 1/5 | Damage: 20, 3003(constrict)(crush) | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(8), 12drown | XP: 267. 18:58:51 good, those are edible too 19:01:55 got to fix their blood colour 19:04:46 cyan blood for octopodes? 19:05:09 first someone needs to rewrite all the blood code 19:05:23 so we can have blood, haemolymph, prune juice, etc. 19:05:46 someone needs to make all the cold-blooded animals cold-blooded 19:05:51 not just the reptiles (and amphibians?) 19:06:05 need to add in dinosaurs so people can argue about that 19:06:46 we have dragons, that's close 19:06:55 but not close enough 19:06:56 freezing buff: slows things in spider's nest 19:07:14 I played through spider's nest for the first time yesterday 19:07:28 it's good, but imo more difficult than shoals/swamp/snake 19:08:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptothermy 19:08:23 this is the most adorable thing 19:16:13 Eronarn: with the love for OOTS around here, I guess Tarquin's mount isn't totally out of question 19:16:36 hard to get more style than riding a pterodactyl :p 19:18:24 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:25 mounts? 19:21:04 fr: make mara ride girimehkala 19:21:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:21:12 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 19:25:10 why do spriggans ride giant fireflies, anyway 19:25:47 they're not gaining anything besides a half of a hand and more mr 19:36:33 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:16 -!- shirish has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:38 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:57 @??spriggan rider 20:00:58 spriggan rider (12i) | Speed: 16 | HD: 11 | Health: 34-52 | AC/EV: 1/16 | Damage: 21 | Flags: see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(102) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1078. 20:00:59 speed 20:01:08 (haha, jk, spriggans are broken) 20:31:30 -!- blabber_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:40 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:36:58 -!- shirish has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:15 -!- BlankDiploma has joined ##crawl-dev 20:55:12 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:56:43 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:20 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 21:22:33 -!- Noeda is now known as Adeon 21:24:03 !commit 75381afe 21:24:07 !git 75381afe 21:24:17 hm 21:24:56 CIA-115: help 21:25:02 hm 21:25:05 well, anyway 21:25:06 see, that would be useful 21:25:14 so it can't actually already be in 21:27:14 there is a commit 75381afe which adds "nicolae_entry_your_instructions" 21:28:20 which puts three rune mimics and an orb mimic behind glass 21:28:40 !lg * killer=~rune mimic 21:28:41 1. demonblade the Skirmisher (L1 DDAK), worshipper of Lugonu, slain by a rune mimic on D:1 (nicolae entry your instructions) on 2012-04-11, with 20 points after 29 turns and 0:00:57. 21:29:29 player exited the abyss into the middle of them 21:30:02 yes, it's in hilarious_deaths 21:30:27 are you suggesting that we make the game... less hilarious :| 21:30:53 looking at the vault, i think it is bugged 21:31:36 evilmike kinda fixed it? unless the whole ak issue doesn't actually respect no_rtele_into and enclosed spaces and blah blah blah 21:31:48 notably "KPROP: ->ABCDEFHIJKLMNOPQRZ = no_rtele_into" doesn't cover the square with < 21:32:12 * HangedMan shrugs 21:33:07 I doubt AK obeys no_rtele_into. 21:33:19 It'll just place it on one of the stairs. 21:33:49 could be 21:33:54 to compensate, perhaps there is a small chance that the orb mimic is the real orb of zot 21:34:03 balance. 21:34:10 also happens that the up hatch mimic didn't get placed in that game 21:34:22 the tv was before the up hatch mimic commit 21:34:36 ah 21:34:37 no, don't place them near the stairs? 21:35:02 ah 21:35:07 Don't use a real hatch in nicolae_entry_your_instructions. 21:35:15 i see 21:36:12 okay, i think that does fix it, then 21:36:49 -!- monqy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:42:09 -!- shirish has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:51 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 21:57:39 -!- monqy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:00:04 -!- HangedMan has quit [] 22:06:04 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:36 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:58 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 22:18:37 -!- bhahn has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:09 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:45 -!- rax_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:46 -!- bhaak_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:22 -!- unferth has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:40 anyone use dvorak? 22:26:12 -!- Eifeltrampel has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:26:12 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:26:12 -!- rax has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:26:12 -!- Napkin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:12 -!- Napkin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:12 -!- Napkin_ has quit [Changing host] 22:26:12 -!- Napkin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:12 seems it's mucking up my autofight 22:26:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:28:35 -!- Eifeltrampel has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:48 ishanyx the Vexing (L7 SpEn) ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed on turn 4673. (D:4) 22:35:03 -!- monqy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:18 -!- monqy has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:35:20 -!- monqy_ is now known as monqy 22:36:11 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:19 -!- monqy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:45:00 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:14 -!- BlankDiploma has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:07:05 Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1133-g64494c2 23:46:08 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:49:46 -!- RandomBK has joined ##crawl-dev 23:57:08 How do I properly specify the DATA_DIR_PATH variable?