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00:22:32 <CIA-62> 03|amethyst * r8f855e29bf01 10/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc: Be even more picky about shopping list replacements.
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01:01:10 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-600-g8f855e2 (32)
01:08:38 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-600-g8f855e2
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03:36:10 <CIA-62> 03evilmike * r12ebb0ee182e 10/crawl-ref/source/ (melee_attack.cc mon-data.h mon-pick.cc player.cc): Partial resistance for AF_POISON_STRONG and other spider changes.
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06:00:07 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-602-g12ebb0e
06:03:57 <kilobyte> !seen greatzebu
06:03:57 <Henzell> I last saw greatzebu at Tue Mar 13 23:21:02 2012 UTC (5d 11h 42m 55s ago) quitting with message Quit: greatzebu.
06:04:24 <kilobyte> hrm, I'm really pondering announcing 0.10.1 with Mac builds lacking
06:42:45 <Napkin> did you email him yet, kilobyte?
06:42:52 <Napkin> he's usually reacting very quickly
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07:31:33 <Gretell> Elynae (L8 MuMo)  (D:5)
07:35:00 <Gretell> Elynae (L8 MuMo)  (D:1)
07:35:12 <Gretell> Elynae (L8 MuMo)  (D:1)
07:35:35 <phyphor> wow
07:35:48 <phyphor> 12:35 < Elynae> okay... crawl crashes when i airstrike confused enemies
07:36:06 <ais523> that seems pretty bizarre as a bug trigger
07:36:57 <phyphor> Writing crash info to /crawl-svn/morgue/Elynae/crash-Elynae-20120319-123128.txt
07:37:35 <phyphor> ais523: I'm just passing on what was said in the main channel - I think a real bug report will be raised soon
07:38:00 <kilobyte> !lm Elynae type=crash -log
07:38:03 <Sequell> 31. Elynae, XL8 MuMo, T:22345 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Elynae/crash-Elynae-20120319-123507.txt
07:38:16 <kilobyte> air miscast
07:41:06 <kilobyte> what would be a good glyph for someone in spidertaur form?  's' is badly overloaded.
07:41:23 <kilobyte> 'H' would fit (hybrids) but it reeks of a minotaur to me...
07:41:49 <ais523> "spidertaur"? oh dear…
07:42:06 <alefury> which kind? bottom or top?
07:42:13 <phyphor> kink!
07:43:21 <kilobyte> heh, looks like Auntie Pixelante's creations are popular here :p
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08:02:01 <st_> spidertaurs with plasma rifles?
08:03:49 <kilobyte> no, this thing: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pur_12_aracne.jpg
08:04:23 <kilobyte> in prone position there, standing up in 569873689473489 fantasy games
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08:38:01 <Eronarn> bright green H, i think
08:38:23 <Eronarn> are we changing spider form to spideraur form?
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08:38:49 <Eronarn> i think that would actually be good... there should be more forms that still let you use stuff
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08:42:34 <kilobyte> bright green is too harpish, on the other hand
08:43:23 <kilobyte> look at it if you wish:
08:44:22 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * rcf12a034b1be 10/crawl-ref/source/database.cc: Let description search work on translated (only) text.
08:44:23 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r2cdc887adcd4 10/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc: Fix staves of poison not giving monsters rPois.
08:44:23 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r673e02c059e8 10/crawl-ref/source/hints.cc: Update hints: no need to levitate over shafts anymore.
08:44:23 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * re04027396fed 10/crawl-ref/source/ (14 files in 3 dirs): Arachne
08:44:23 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r055710b7941b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (actor.h monster.cc monster.h player.cc): Fix monsters not getting warded when wielding a staff of summoning.
08:44:25 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * ra2ea141e91a6 10/crawl-ref/source/actor.h: Remove redundant redundancy in header inclusion.
08:44:25 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * rfe8d65638c13 10/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc: Give rF/rC/rElec/rN/MR to monsters wielding staves.
08:44:25 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * rd5758d53d514 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/builder/uniques.des mon-spll.h): Give Arachne a (lame) set of other spells, enable her.
08:44:26 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r905254ad75cf 10/crawl-ref/source/ (melee_attack.cc melee_attack.h monster.cc): Make staves actually do something beyong being a cudgel for monsters.
08:44:26 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r24c29996b79b 10/crawl-ref/source/database.cc: Fix fallback to English not working in incomplete translations.
08:44:26 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * rb7833dbe79da 10/crawl-ref/source/ (spl-book.cc spl-miscast.cc wiz-item.cc): Fix a crash on casting pure Air spells (and a load of off-by-one problems).
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08:57:26 <Cheibriados> Arachne (13H) | Speed: 15 | HD: 17 | Health: 200 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Damage: 30 | Flags: spellcaster, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(68) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 5427 | Sp: ensnare, poison arrow (3d24), blink, b.venom (3d21).

08:57:26 <|amethyst> %?? arachne
08:59:13 <Eronarn> ensnare = web?
08:59:31 <Cheibriados> Arachne (13H) | Speed: 15 | HD: 17 | Health: 200 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Damage: 30 | Flags: spellcaster, sense invisible, web sense | Res: 06magic(68) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 5427 | Sp: ensnare, poison arrow (3d24), blink, b.venom (3d21).

08:59:31 <|amethyst> %??arachne
08:59:45 <|amethyst> since "web sense" is important to know about in Spider
09:02:05 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  the monster commit for web sense (it's one line) is at http://s-z.org/neil/git/monster-trunk.git/
09:07:12 <kilobyte> @??spider
09:07:13 <Gretell> spider (10s) | Speed: 15 | HD: 3 | Health: 9-24 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Damage: 504(medium poison) | Flags: web sense | Res: 06magic(12) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 43.
09:07:51 <kilobyte> I'm pondering making Arachne lightcyan.  Any opinions?
09:10:57 <Eronarn> sounds reasonable
09:11:33 <Eronarn> maybe make her a jumping spider instead of random blink?
09:11:42 <Eronarn> if she's going to have ranged spells
09:14:11 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * rd1de823c3dfe 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-gear.cc: Since Arachne's staff is always one of poison, pre-id it.
09:14:11 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * re1692c155dd0 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Dunk Arachne in lightcyan paint.
09:14:48 <kilobyte> well, she's no spider, it's a real spell.  Human hands, casting, that stuff.
09:15:31 <Eronarn> kilobyte: right, but i mean that letting her jump with her spider half would seem to be more flavorful than just another caster with blink
09:16:32 <kilobyte> blink is there on the "(lame)" spell list, so I'm doubting it fits at all
09:17:05 <kilobyte> spider speed of 15 means she'll run up to you immediately anyway
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09:20:15 <ghallberg> kilobyte: Not if you slow her I guess?
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09:28:12 <CIA-62> 03dolorous * rd3299fb35680 10/crawl-ref/source/areas.cc: Revert "Simplify."
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09:32:00 <kilobyte> |amethyst: shopping list fixes should be safe for 0.10, right?
09:32:28 <|amethyst> the last one changes the meaning of existing configs
09:32:46 <|amethyst> (ones with  explore_stop -= stairs )
09:33:00 <|amethyst> oh
09:33:02 <|amethyst> err
09:33:13 <|amethyst> that one wasn't a shopping list fix :)
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09:33:18 <kilobyte> yeah :)
09:33:59 <|amethyst> I think so... just to make sure, is copying an item_def acceptible?
09:35:33 <kilobyte> it's supposed to be, at least, and I'm not aware of regressions
09:36:01 <|amethyst> then it should be fine
09:38:11 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r7a23d361eede 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: s/sickness/nausea/ in the description of contam chunks.
09:38:12 <CIA-62> 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.10 * r47876b00c998 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc: Prevent allies from smiting enemies through glass.
09:38:12 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r8e19ad0c79f7 10/crawl-ref/settings/0.9_monster_glyphs.txt: 0.9 compat: make haired devils redder.
09:38:12 <CIA-62> 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.10 * r3ab0da457690 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc: Fix mimics annoucement causing crash (#5448).
09:38:13 <CIA-62> 03|amethyst 07stone_soup-0.10 * r22ff514da4c0 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/entry/small.des: Do not create disconnected bubbles in dpeg_entry_round_a.
09:38:13 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r2de3b646e438 10/crawl-ref/source/hints.cc: Update hints: no need to levitate over shafts anymore.
09:38:14 <CIA-62> 03|amethyst 07stone_soup-0.10 * r16ab3042b3a9 10/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc: Be more picky about shopping list replacements.
09:38:14 <CIA-62> 03|amethyst 07stone_soup-0.10 * rfd324cfbc4c3 10/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc: Don't try removing the wrong item from the shopping list.
09:38:24 <CIA-62> 03|amethyst 07stone_soup-0.10 * r7d12adf11d10 10/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc: Be even more picky about shopping list replacements.
09:39:04 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  there's another
09:39:56 <|amethyst> 170ccdd  fixes a screw-up in "Do not create disconnected bubbles..."
09:41:15 <|amethyst> (I accidentally turned one of the doors in the vault into floor)
09:41:29 <|amethyst> (and I forgot to make the doors secret)
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09:43:49 <kilobyte> |amethyst: oh, thanks
09:44:12 <CIA-62> 03|amethyst 07stone_soup-0.10 * r0df90693874c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/entry/small.des: Fix some doors I just screwed up.
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09:50:57 <alefury> would arachne be in spider? because she seems very strong for that depth.
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09:52:05 <|amethyst> she's  Depth: Spider:2-  now
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09:53:11 <alefury> 200 hp, 17 HD...
09:53:22 <Cheibriados> Arachne (11H) | Speed: 15 | HD: 17 | Health: 200 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Damage: 30 | Flags: spellcaster, sense invisible, web sense | Res: 06magic(68) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 5427 | Sp: ensnare, poison arrow (3d24), blink, b.venom (3d21).

09:53:22 <alefury> %??arachne
09:53:24 <Cheibriados> greater naga (13N) | Speed: 8 (act: 80%) | HD: 15 | Health: 61-102 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Damage: 27, 3003(constrict)(crush) | Flags: spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 1685 | Sp: b.venom (3d19), mystic blast (3d19), haste, poison arrow (3d22), teleport other, teleport self.

09:53:24 <alefury> %??greater naga
09:53:47 <Cheibriados> Frederick (03@) | Speed: 10 | HD: 21 | Health: 159 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Damage: 27 | Flags: evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 5373 | Sp: mystic blast (3d25), b.cold (3d30), invisibility, animate dead, iron shot (3d36).

09:53:47 <alefury> %??frederick
09:55:00 <alefury> probably good to start her out a bit too strong, can still nerf later if necessary
09:56:50 <alefury> but she really seems very strong
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09:59:56 <Cheibriados> Chatting(playing) on webtiles on pads. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5458) by Piu
10:00:26 <kilobyte> alefury: gets her ass kicked by Ilsuiw nearly every time
10:01:14 <alefury> ah, okay then
10:01:43 <alefury> im mostly worried about her being super hard to get away from, and her coming to find you again if you step into a web
10:02:04 <alefury> so if you cant deal with her, you absolutely have to skip the level or she will hunt you down. unless web sense doesnt do what i think it does.
10:02:26 <kilobyte> web sense has a very short range
10:03:13 <kilobyte> a notch above LOS
10:03:19 <|amethyst> 100 doesn't mean what I think it means?
10:04:02 <|amethyst> oh
10:04:06 <|amethyst> that's radius-squared
10:06:07 <|amethyst> C_CIRCLE vs C_ROUND is a bit non-intuitive :)
10:16:02 <st_> @?? aizul
10:16:03 <Gretell> Aizul (13S) | Speed: 15 | HD: 14 | Health: 142 | AC/EV: 8/18 | Damage: 25 | Flags: spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(112), 03poison | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 2602 | Sp: b.venom (3d18), sleep, poison arrow (3d21).
10:18:44 <ghallberg> Someone should make a list of all "non-intuitive" things in the code.
10:19:06 <ghallberg> So we cna go through them and clean them up.
10:21:41 <kilobyte> ghallberg: you'd need a team for that :p
10:22:21 <|amethyst> nah,  cat *.h *.cc
10:23:23 <kilobyte> st_: Aizul has slightly better spells but less hp and way worse melee (25 vs 30+staff of poison), still loses only slightly (45 vs 54)
10:23:47 <st_> his AC/EV is probably the big thing imo
10:24:11 <kilobyte> ah right
10:24:54 <kilobyte> the staff of poison is pretty visible when fighting her while rPois, though
10:25:02 <kilobyte> (and everyone is rPois in Spider)
10:25:18 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-616-gd3299fb (32)
10:25:31 <st_> oh yeah that ignores poison now, pretty cool
10:25:40 <|amethyst> !learn edit redback s/$/  The poisoning is only reduced, not prevented, by rPois./
10:25:41 <st_> poison res*
10:26:07 <Henzell> redback[1/1]: The main feature of this deep arachnid is its ability to take an otherwise healthy player to dark red poison in one hit.  The poisoning is only reduced, not prevented, by rPois.
10:27:17 <|amethyst> !learn edit sea_snake s/bite/bite that works (at reduced severity) through poison resistance/
10:27:17 <Henzell> sea snake[1/1]: A snake, commonly found in the Shoals, that is quick and carries a -hefty- poisonous bite that works (at reduced severity) through poison resistance.  Carry poison resistance or a way to counteract poisoning, or your game might end in a pyrrhic victory.
10:27:38 <|amethyst> !learn edit sea_snake s/poison resistance or //
10:27:39 <Henzell> sea snake[1/1]: A snake, commonly found in the Shoals, that is quick and carries a -hefty- poisonous bite that works (at reduced severity) through poison resistance.  Carry a way to counteract poisoning, or your game might end in a pyrrhic victory.
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10:29:11 <kilobyte> !tell evilmike is changing ghost moths and sea snakes intentional (wrt ignoring rPois)?  Both already could hit like a ton of bricks.
10:29:12 <Henzell> kilobyte: OK, I'll let evilmike know.
10:29:39 <ghallberg> kilobyte: True >.<
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10:32:00 <BlastHardcheese> ??fair[3]
10:32:00 <Henzell> fair[3/3]: (12:31:49 AM) eith: in general crawl is mostly unavoidable deaths, thats one of the design goals
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10:35:50 <|amethyst> that's wrong on both counts, but it's a quote
10:36:52 <|amethyst> If most deaths were unavoidable, everyone would be streaking like elliptic
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10:45:14 <alefury> ??redback
10:45:14 <Henzell> redback[1/1]: The main feature of this deep arachnid is its ability to take an otherwise healthy player to dark red poison in one hit.  The poisoning is only reduced, not prevented, by rPois.
10:45:39 <alefury> !learn edit redback s/ The poi/In 0.11, the poi/
10:45:40 <Henzell> redback[1/1]: The main feature of this deep arachnid is its ability to take an otherwise healthy player to dark red poison in one hit. In 0.11, the poisoning is only reduced, not prevented, by rPois.
10:46:05 <alefury> ??sea snake
10:46:06 <Henzell> sea snake[1/1]: A snake, commonly found in the Shoals, that is quick and carries a -hefty- poisonous bite that works (at reduced severity) through poison resistance.  Carry a way to counteract poisoning, or your game might end in a pyrrhic victory.
10:46:36 <alefury> !learn edit sea_snake s/at reduced/0.11: at reduced/
10:46:36 <Henzell> sea snake[1/1]: A snake, commonly found in the Shoals, that is quick and carries a -hefty- poisonous bite that works (0.11: at reduced severity) through poison resistance.  Carry a way to counteract poisoning, or your game might end in a pyrrhic victory.
10:46:45 <alefury> oops
10:47:07 <alefury> !learn edit sea_snake s/0.11: //
10:47:33 <Henzell> sea snake[1/1]: A snake, commonly found in the Shoals, that is quick and carries a -hefty- poisonous bite that works (at reduced severity) through poison resistance.  Carry a way to counteract poisoning, or your game might end in a pyrrhic victory.
10:48:07 <alefury> !learn edit sea_snake s/that works/that in 0.11 works/
10:48:07 <Henzell> sea snake[1/1]: A snake, commonly found in the Shoals, that is quick and carries a -hefty- poisonous bite that in 0.11 works (at reduced severity) through poison resistance.  Carry a way to counteract poisoning, or your game might end in a pyrrhic victory.
10:48:57 <alefury> feel free to clean up my clumsy language
10:49:27 <alefury> trunk features should be labeled, though
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11:07:13 <galehar> !tell Wensley I'm not too fond of inverted rP aura. How about just cancelling both rP and rP-? Less gameable.
11:07:13 <Henzell> galehar: OK, I'll let Wensley know.
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12:36:20 <alefury> galehar: can mimics be identified at range 2? without ash?
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12:36:57 <alefury> because aj_hyena in ##crawl just did
12:39:12 <MarvinPA> does he have antennae?
12:40:39 <alefury> yeah
12:40:40 <phyphor> yes
12:40:43 <phyphor> and that's the answer
12:41:00 <MarvinPA> that'd be it then
12:41:00 <Zannick> mystery solved
12:54:48 <heteroy> OW
12:54:59 <heteroy> Nikola!!!!!
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13:10:01 <heteroy> !lg * urune=15 race=sp turn<100000 s=god
13:10:02 <Sequell> 7 games for * (urune=15 race=sp turn<100000): 4x Ashenzari, 2x Lugonu, Jiyva
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13:33:05 <Cheibriados> Held status effect overlays net tile. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5459) by Jabberwocky
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14:09:39 <Henzell> pantaril the Shatterer (L24 OgIE) ASSERT(m->inv[MSLOT_MISCELLANY] != NON_ITEM) in 'mon-info.cc' at line 491 failed on turn 65686. (D:27)
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14:21:53 <Henzell> pantaril the Shatterer (L25 OgIE) ASSERT(m->inv[MSLOT_MISCELLANY] != NON_ITEM) in 'mon-info.cc' at line 491 failed on turn 65894. (D:27)
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14:35:40 <kilobyte> !lm pantaril type=crash -log
14:35:41 <Sequell> 14. pantaril, XL25 OgIE, T:65894 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/pantaril/crash-pantaril-20120319-192153.txt
14:36:18 <kilobyte> hrm, a long-fixed bug
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14:59:08 <Henzell> pantaril the Shatterer (L25 OgIE) ASSERT(m->inv[MSLOT_MISCELLANY] != NON_ITEM) in 'mon-info.cc' at line 491 failed on turn 67705. (D:27)
14:59:37 <Henzell> pantaril the Shatterer (L25 OgIE) ASSERT(m->inv[MSLOT_MISCELLANY] != NON_ITEM) in 'mon-info.cc' at line 491 failed on turn 67712. (D:27)
15:05:49 <kilobyte> rax: could you update 0.10 on CAO, please?  Folks keep falling into bugs fixed a long while ago...
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15:14:53 <Gretell> hyperetru1927 (L21 DrVM)  (Shoals:5)
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15:22:27 <Gretell> hyperetru1927 (L21 DrVM)  (Shoals:5)
15:28:37 <CIA-62> 03evilmike * r3500bbb6b825 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/spider.des: Tone down a Spider entry vault.
15:29:01 <kilobyte> !lm hyperetru1927 type=crash -log
15:29:01 <Sequell> 5. hyperetru1927, XL21 DrVM, T:81662 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/hyperetru1927/crash-hyperetru1927-20120319-202216.txt
15:29:43 <nfogravity> !spen skill
15:29:52 <nfogravity> sorry
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15:37:42 <heteroy> i just got an error while picking a random char. I tried to start a SpAM, but got an error when the game was starting. I think it was because it wanted to give me a weapon that a Sp can't wield.
15:38:37 <BlastHardcheese> you were blocked for spam
15:38:40 <evilmike> kilobyte: the changes were for redbacks, but I was aware of it affecting sea snakes and ghost moths. I'm unsure about ghost moths. Sea snakes don't bother me too much (I _never_ use rPois in shoals though). On the other hand I've always thought it's a bit weird how sea snakes are the most poisonous snake
15:38:55 <evilmike> (you'd think that a snake pit monster would have that honour)
15:40:31 <kilobyte> yeah, that's why I mentioned this
15:41:07 <kilobyte> heteroy: did you happen to notice the message?
15:41:25 <heteroy> I didn't catch it.
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16:04:20 <CIA-62> 03evilmike * r24921dece2a8 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Use AF_POISON_NASTY for ghost moths.
16:26:05 <phyphor> you can still ignite book mimics using the trog ability - is this a bug?
16:27:56 <Zannick> known or unknown?
16:28:08 <Zannick> they are still books even known =p
16:28:31 <phyphor> unknown
16:28:49 <phyphor> the xom altar with items behind glass
16:29:06 <phyphor> They're all mimics (I, as the player knows this), but I (the character) can ignite them
16:29:25 <Zannick> i wonder if it works for known book mimics, too
16:29:33 <Zannick> if it does, then i'd say no bug
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16:35:40 <galehar> phyphor: it was an unknown bug until you mentioned it. Thanks.
16:35:57 <evilmike> |amethyst: monsters with M_MAINTAIN_RANGE seem to really prefer moving north. try a monster with no spells, and just moving around with it in a big empty room to see what I mean
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17:00:34 <phyphor> galehar: I'd mentioned it briefly before, but was trying to determine if it was a bug before going through the motions :)
17:01:32 <galehar> phyphor: Mentioned? Where? Anyway, it's a bug.
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17:07:04 <phyphor> in here, last time I experienced it :)
17:07:09 <phyphor> I'll pop it on mantis then
17:10:03 <galehar> st_: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4120
17:11:24 <Cheibriados> melee_attack.cc seems to miscalculate claw damage (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5460) by doublep
17:14:22 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-619-g24921de (32)
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17:18:48 <galehar> phyphor: don't bother, I'm fixing it
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17:41:00 <|amethyst> evilmike:  this is because radius_iterator scans from top left to bottom right
17:41:59 <galehar> |amethyst: maybe you should use distance_iterator then
17:43:14 <galehar> |amethyst: see the comment in coordit.h:99
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17:55:01 <|amethyst> thanks; rebuilding to test
17:56:20 <|amethyst> oh, good, the thing called "radius" here is actually a radius and not radius^2
17:58:30 <galehar> |amethyst: do you have any plan for 0.11? What do you want to work on?
17:59:16 <|amethyst> hm
18:01:27 <evilmike> viewmap.cc:119: warning: 'ucs_t _get_sightmap_char(dungeon_feature_type)' define
18:01:27 <evilmike> d but not used
18:01:27 <evilmike> viewmap.cc:124: warning: 'ucs_t _get_magicmap_char(dungeon_feature_type)' define
18:01:27 <evilmike> d but not used
18:01:31 <evilmike> is this recent?
18:04:07 <galehar> evilmike: no idea. Ask git blame?
18:05:01 <galehar> |amethyst: this isn't a trick question :) I'd like to set up the planning for 0.11, so I need to know what all the active devs are up to.
18:05:01 <|amethyst> looks like it's been unused in local tiles mode for a while
18:06:07 <galehar> so if you guys have todo lists, feel free to send them to me
18:06:34 <Zannick> todo: fix crawl.
18:07:17 <galehar> so Zannick is doing bugfixing. Good. That will keep him busy for the next 103428 years or so.
18:07:41 <Zannick> yep. whenever i find a bug, i fix it.
18:07:49 <|amethyst> it just started showing up because the function was recently made static
18:12:17 <Cheibriados> Seven vaults, more edits to my vaults. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5461) by Claws
18:14:46 <evilmike> HangedMan: does a branch entry vault really need loot like that?
18:14:53 <evilmike> (are there any that give loot like that?)
18:15:24 <HangedMan> !source vaults.des
18:15:29 <HangedMan> whoops
18:15:36 <HangedMan> !source dat/des/branches/vaults.des
18:15:51 <Eronarn> galehar: hey, i can send you my todo :D
18:16:05 <Henzell> Couldn't open current/source/vaults.des for reading
18:16:05 <Henzell> Lines pasted to http://paste.scsys.co.uk/187802
18:16:18 <galehar> Eronarn: sure
18:16:23 * galehar fears for his sanity
18:16:27 <HangedMan> david_vaults_4 and  david_vaults_5 both have loot
18:16:49 <HangedMan> have the chance for loot, in vaults_5, but that uses 089 so
18:17:02 <Eronarn> email? wiki?
18:17:42 <HangedMan> if the loot is in question in general it could be downgraded to all %s without anything really lost
18:18:19 <galehar> Eronarn: email (you can find it in commit messages)
18:18:23 <CIA-62> 03galehar * r796086837ebb 10/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc: Don't ignite spellbook mimics.
18:18:42 <Eronarn> alright
18:22:17 <CIA-62> 03evilmike * rae977bc92f8f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-data.h mon-pick.cc): Make orb spiders slower and a bit less common.
18:27:58 <|amethyst> hm.... using distance_iterator instead of radius_iterator in _set_firing_pos, they still seem to prefer north
18:30:32 <Cheibriados> orb spider (06s) | Speed: 12 (spell: 150%) | HD: 5 | Health: 22-43 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Damage: 504(medium poison) | Flags: web sense, !sil | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 220 | Sp: destruction orb (8d7), cantrip.

18:30:32 <alefury> %??orb spider
18:30:48 <|amethyst> Haven't recompiled chei's copy of monster yet
18:30:51 <evilmike> I increased the spell delay to 20
18:30:52 <HangedMan> any obvious problems with those vaults besides the vaults entry loot, evilmike?
18:30:57 <evilmike> well, 200% according to chei
18:31:21 <Zannick> :(
18:31:23 <Zannick> er
18:31:27 <evilmike> it seemed better than padding it out with more cantrip slots
18:31:33 <Zannick> (wrong window)
18:32:51 <evilmike> HangedMan: did you sort out those issues you were having with the large spider vault
18:33:01 <|amethyst> hm, while it doesn't seem to avoid it favouring north completely, it is certainly better than it was previously
18:33:06 <HangedMan> yes
18:33:36 <evilmike> also I am not really keen on this zot trap idea
18:33:56 <HangedMan> @s appear to be very persnickety with lots of open space placed in layout_delve so I just put it back into the original vault shape
18:34:20 <HangedMan> on the visible zot traps to warn or in the overall vault concept of trying to evoke zot
18:35:04 <evilmike> both
18:35:23 <HangedMan> hmmm
18:38:16 <BlastHardcheese> fr players can evoke the power of zot
18:38:49 <HangedMan> wield orb, use it to make miscast happen to enemy
18:39:22 <BlastHardcheese> alternate fr the orb acts as a crystal ball
18:39:36 <HangedMan> would removing the zot traps and using shafts instead be acceptable?
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18:40:17 <galehar> this bug with claws melee damage is intriguing. It's easy to fix but I'm afraid of buffing Tr UC :/
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18:40:47 <HangedMan> well if it has been since ucc then it'd be putting them back to where they're supposed to be
18:41:10 <galehar> HangedMan: yeah, I guess so
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18:56:33 <|amethyst> pre-UCC one of those used you.has_claws(false) rather than has_usable_claws
18:57:19 <|amethyst> (on the "* 2" line)
18:58:09 <galehar> I've just benched it, fixing it is a huge buff. Anyway, better to fix the bug. Now we have even more reason to rebalance it.
18:59:31 <|amethyst> the use of (false) there worries me
19:00:18 <|amethyst> it means a non-troll in dragon form does not get the extra damage; but a troll in (say) blade or ice form does
19:02:19 <|amethyst> oh, not the latter, since it's inside a you.has_usable_claws()
19:03:23 <|amethyst> still, dragon form seems to be missing the bonus, unless that's already factored into the dragonform damage (the comment says  case TRAN_DRAGON: // +6 from claws   which isn't clear)
19:03:54 <|amethyst> this was the case pre-UCC as well
19:04:25 <MarvinPA> i'm pretty sure dragon form had its base damage reduced under the assumption that it was getting a bunch of extra from having claws
19:04:49 <|amethyst> right now it's 12 + div_rand_round(you.strength() * 2, 3);
19:05:15 <MarvinPA> you could check with kilobyte since (i think) he made the changes but yeah, i'm almost certain it's supposed to get +6 separately from claws on top of that
19:05:25 <|amethyst> if false were changed to true it would be +2 currently
19:05:28 <galehar> I think bonus from the claw mutation should only apply for lich and statue.
19:06:05 <|amethyst> that should be the case
19:06:09 <|amethyst> well, and appendage
19:06:21 <galehar> yeah, and that
19:07:48 <|amethyst> dragon gets 3; lich, statue and appendage your claws; and other forms 0
19:08:24 <CIA-62> 03galehar * racd50737b1be 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Fix claw damage to UC not being applied properly (#5460).
19:09:18 <galehar> so, while we're at it
19:09:44 <galehar> I'm thinking of starting a new branch to test changes to melee and ranged formulae~
19:10:24 <galehar> first change, make weapon speed linear to skill (instead of weapon delay)
19:10:32 <|amethyst> yay
19:10:41 <|amethyst> also, merge monster and player codepaths
19:10:49 <galehar> scale speed linearly from 0 to 27
19:10:54 <|amethyst> Cryp71c didn't do that because he didn't want to change formulas
19:11:13 <|amethyst> hm
19:11:47 <galehar> well, I was about to say to increase the effect of stats in the formula to balance the speed, but monsters don't have stats
19:12:32 <galehar> so I don't think it's possible (or worth it) to merge code paths more than Crypt71c did
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19:12:38 <|amethyst> well
19:12:47 <|amethyst> they could be given stats derived entirely from HD, size, etc
19:13:02 <|amethyst> just like they have "necromancy skill" based on HD for the purposes of pain weapons
19:13:31 <galehar> I think that would just complicate things for no gain
19:13:52 <|amethyst> Ther problem I see is that "unified" combat control is a bunch of if (ACT_PLAYER) .... else ....
19:14:03 <galehar> let's focus on improving the effect of stats on the player before thinking about giving them to monsters
19:14:11 <|amethyst> often with parts of the code, but not everything, repeated
19:14:27 <|amethyst> well, even in this case
19:14:32 <evilmike> if you're going to work on new melee formulae, having str have more of an effect on damage is a good goal
19:14:32 <galehar> |amethyst: have you seen how the code was before UCC?
19:14:37 <|amethyst> you could move the ifs down lower
19:14:44 <evilmike> even for stuff like bows (you need to be very strong to use a longbow)
19:14:46 <|amethyst> yeah, UCC is definitely an improvement
19:15:24 <galehar> ranged combat is another story. There's a lot of code rewriting needed.
19:15:25 <|amethyst> But it feels like it mostly moved the same code into one file
19:15:29 <galehar> and design too.
19:16:17 <galehar> but it would be good to have the same formulae for ranged and melee, for speed and base damage
19:16:36 <galehar> so let's start with melee
19:17:24 <galehar> evilmike: you say increase the effect of str? What about dex? and strength weighting?
19:17:50 <|amethyst> when you say linear, I assume you mean "affine"  (e.g. 2 skill isn't twice as fast as 1 skill)
19:18:28 <galehar> if we just increase the effect of stats in the formula and keep strength weighting, we boost both stats
19:18:29 <evilmike> galehar: well, a traditional way would be to make dex affect accuracy... I don't know much about how accuracy works though. Also, dex provides good defensive boosts right now
19:19:03 <evilmike> str just seems like the worst stat right now (I usually only increase it for carrying capacity)
19:19:24 <MarvinPA> i think ranged combat actually works out a lot better than melee combat does, anyway
19:19:28 <galehar> there's heavy armour too
19:19:32 <MarvinPA> even if the code is all crazy
19:19:54 <evilmike> galehar: true, but the str cost for plate is quite high. I find it's better to train str to 12 and then focus on int
19:20:03 <galehar> MarvinPA: what's good about it?
19:20:07 <evilmike> 12 being what you need for fda, pda, and ida
19:20:14 <HangedMan> heavy armour choices are usually lower and easier to make then lighter armour, too
19:20:16 <galehar> the delay formula is a bit complicated
19:20:19 <MarvinPA> stats have a large effect on both damage and speed, there are no arbitrary skill boundaries
19:20:23 <HangedMan> isn't it 9 for -3 evp
19:20:27 <CIA-62> 03|amethyst * rf8e288b7c433 10/crawl-ref/source/viewmap.cc: Avoid two unused static function in local tiles builds.
19:20:27 <CIA-62> 03|amethyst * rbf61547e5e70 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-behv.cc: Don't favour north so much in _set_firing_pos().
19:20:31 <evilmike> oh, yeah, I meant 9
19:21:02 <MarvinPA> it's complicated, yeah, but it's nice to be able to say "get as much skill as possible" whenever someone asks how to be effective with ranged weapons :P
19:22:05 <HangedMan> heavy armour doesn't have much choice besides gda and plate unless they get lucky with a cpm...
19:22:10 <galehar> MarvinPA: right, I'll have a closer look at the ranged formulae
19:22:24 <galehar> maybe melee need better numbers and ranged better code
19:22:37 <MarvinPA> heh, could be
19:23:04 <galehar> I'll write some stuff about ammo on the ranged page (getting late)
19:23:11 <galehar> wiki
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19:42:18 <CIA-62> 03evilmike * r69de597283a3 10/crawl-ref/source/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Ensnare melee attack for jumping spiders.
19:42:26 <HangedMan> oooo
19:44:03 <evilmike> it might proc too often at the moment, but they jump around so much, they don't tend to hit you often
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19:58:18 <CIA-62> 03MarvinPA * r724d6bc36cce 10/crawl-ref/source/ (player.cc skills.cc): Let Evocations increase max MP (by the same amount as Invocations)
19:58:28 <CIA-62> 03MarvinPA * r1f5dd44b7da3 10/crawl-ref/ (docs/develop/spells.txt source/dat/descript/skills.txt): Update and add to lots of skill descriptions
20:04:17 <CIA-62> 03evilmike * rffa4397c776c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Reword Arachne description.
20:04:17 <CIA-62> 03evilmike * r24fcccab44aa 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Fix spelling.
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20:33:12 <MarvinPA> !tell galehar shouldn't book mimics reveal themselves when you fail to ignite them? since the player then knows for sure that it's a mimic
20:33:12 <Henzell> MarvinPA: OK, I'll let galehar know.
20:40:22 <alefury> evilmike: the second part of that arachne description is not so good
20:40:42 <alefury> she has learned magic and quite a few other tricks. Expect to be ensnared by webs and magic
20:40:49 <alefury> so much magic
20:41:02 <evilmike> good point
20:41:25 <evilmike> any other changes? I'm not so good at writing monster descriptions, I just wanted to fix the verb tenses
20:42:55 <alefury> i cant write
20:43:11 <alefury> just read and tell people when something sounds weird :P
20:43:13 <alefury> good night
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22:00:34 <CIA-62> 03MarvinPA * r257bbb5413a4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (spl-data.h spl-wpnench.cc): Make spell power useful for Warp Weapon
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22:25:20 <Wensley> evilmike: what are these description changes that are what
22:25:20 <Henzell> Wensley: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
22:25:28 <Wensley> I can lend my literary talents
22:25:34 <Wensley> !messages
22:25:34 <Henzell> (1/1) galehar said (11h 18m 21s ago): I'm not too fond of inverted rP aura. How about just cancelling both rP and rP-? Less gameable.
22:25:40 <evilmike> Wensley: Arachne
22:25:43 <Wensley> evilmike: also moth of vuln update: crawl no longer compiles! this is progress
22:25:48 <evilmike> haha
22:25:56 <evilmike> no longer compiles means you did some hacking
22:26:02 <evilmike> now you just need to do the part where you make stuff work
22:26:36 <Wensley> it means that I ack'd for everywhere in the code that mentioned umbra and silent spectres and sort of began defining a whole new aura type that works properly but not wholly properly yet apparently
22:27:16 <evilmike> Wensley: also it might be good to have a different message for the Ensnare spell, right now it is something like "Arachne's staff shoots a beam of whitish stuff"
22:27:27 <evilmike> it's probably less gross sounding than that in game. I forget how it goes, exactly
22:27:28 <Wensley> I don't know anything about this
22:28:02 <Wensley> is ensnare just ranged web
22:28:05 <Wensley> held
22:28:11 <Cheibriados> Arachne (11H) | Speed: 15 | HD: 17 | Health: 200 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Damage: 30 | Flags: spellcaster, sense invisible, web sense | Res: 06magic(68) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 5427 | Sp: ensnare, poison arrow (3d24), blink, b.venom (3d21).

22:28:11 <Wensley> %??arachne
22:28:14 <evilmike> it creates a web, yes
22:28:42 <Cheibriados> spider (10s) | Speed: 15 | HD: 3 | Health: 9-24 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Damage: 504(medium poison) | Flags: web sense | Res: 06magic(12) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 43.

22:28:42 <Wensley> %??spider
22:28:46 <Wensley> web sense
22:29:04 <Wensley> maybe she needs summon spiders?
22:29:09 <Wensley> or at least a band
22:29:18 <Wensley> if she is going to be the ilsiuw of spider
22:29:28 <evilmike> she's not guaranteed
22:29:40 <Wensley> also honestly I thought that tsuchiko sounded like a better idea :P
22:29:59 <evilmike> kilobyte made arachne. one thing the bot is missing is she has a staff of poison
22:30:04 <evilmike> which totally ignores rPois
22:30:31 <|amethyst> and gives her rPois
22:31:01 <Wensley> evilmike: oh right, if you recall yesterday we were throwing around ideas about having whole-level effects that grant all spiders rP until its source is destroyed
22:31:07 <Wensley> what if that source was the hellspider
22:32:03 <evilmike> the hellspider is going to need a 200 page manual just to list all of the things it does
22:32:23 <Wensley> right, that's what I was worried about
22:32:36 <Wensley> but I also know that elliptic was worried about forcing players to kill it
22:32:56 <Wensley> giving players some other incentive to kill it without making it required might appease him
22:33:15 <Wensley> but yes ideally I'd like it if the hellspider just started as plain vanilla and changed depending on how you fought it
22:33:26 <evilmike> yeah
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22:46:53 <Wensley> to whomever wrote arachne's description, note that you don't need to manually break descriptions at 80 characters, crawl can automatically wrap lines to the width of the terminal
22:48:28 <evilmike> yeah most descriptions just do one gigantic line
22:48:36 <evilmike> but some dont. there doesn't seem to be any rule
22:48:37 <|amethyst> I think kilobyte knows that :)
22:48:48 <evilmike> I think line breaks just make it more readble in the text file
22:48:52 <|amethyst> he implemented the rewrapping
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22:49:50 <|amethyst> (previously, if you broke them in the source, they'd remain 80-column even in webtiles or with a wide terminal)
22:57:58 <HousePet> I'm interested in helping dev, who should I talk to?
22:58:24 <nfogravity> just go do something with the code, actually
22:58:29 <nfogravity> pick a bug and fix it
22:58:47 <HousePet> I'm confused by the bug tracker :S
22:58:50 <Wensley> are there any implementables marked on the mantis
23:00:31 <Wensley> HousePet: is there anything specifically you're interested in?
23:01:18 <HousePet> game mechanics generally interest me
23:01:37 <|amethyst> That's kind of general :)
23:02:02 <HousePet> generally speaking, yes
23:02:03 <HousePet> I like magic :)
23:02:31 <HousePet> I see to also like dying in roguelike games...
23:03:19 <HousePet> hmmm
23:03:55 <Wensley> HousePet: do you have experience with programming or C++?
23:04:05 <HousePet> yes
23:04:12 <|amethyst> there's an implementable for static discharge to auto-abort if cast with 'z' not 'Z' and there are no adjacent enemies
23:04:13 <Wensley> goodgood
23:04:29 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4554
23:04:59 <|amethyst> should be pretty simple... I'd recommend checking for flyers but not rElec monsters because of information leakage
23:05:25 <|amethyst> maybe also monsters that have rElec from their type (rather than, say, armour)
23:06:16 <HousePet> okay
23:06:21 <|amethyst> I'm not sure how actively ldierk is working on Veh spell gifting
23:06:52 <|amethyst> there's also making more player spells work as monster spells
23:06:53 <MarvinPA> oh yeah, should probably try the latest version of that
23:07:09 <MarvinPA> i was distracted by the tourney, haven't seen how much it was updated
23:08:15 <HousePet> how does one use this git thingy?
23:08:37 <HousePet> i've been called a git before, but never used one :/
23:08:51 <MarvinPA> also talking of random implementables, could someone take a look at the boulder beetle one at some point? i tried merging it but i'm not sure i can do it without making a big mess
23:09:03 <|amethyst> There's a guide for using git with crawl at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:git&s[]=git
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23:10:39 <MarvinPA> <+MarvinPA> since it involves loads of merging and re-merging into master, and cherry-picked stuff from all over the place and generally my git-fu isn't strong enough to disentangle it :P
23:10:46 <MarvinPA> blargh wireless internet
23:15:46 <HousePet> do i need to have one the game first before making patches >_>
23:16:10 <HousePet> *won not one
23:17:29 <Wensley> !won galehar
23:17:29 <Sequell> galehar has won once in 3 games (33.33%): 1xCeAM
23:17:39 <MarvinPA> not at all :P
23:18:29 <Wensley> I don't think MarvinPA's ever even won a game
23:18:35 <MarvinPA> haha
23:18:39 <Wensley> so of course he would say that!
23:20:26 <evilmike> there have been crawl devs that dont even really play crawl
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