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08:16:45 <CIA-62> 03galehar * r86304b85bf4f 10/crawl-ref/source/terrain.cc: Simplify.
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08:32:12 <CIA-62> 03galehar * r34244627f26d 10/crawl-ref/source/hints.cc: Fix hunter hint mode (#5350).
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11:33:06 <rax> so where is Napkin's git repository? I can try that instead and do a fresh build I guess
11:34:24 <jarpiain> http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git
11:34:29 <jarpiain> Read Access: git://git.develz.org/crawl.git
11:35:22 <rax> okay thanks, will try that
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11:42:48 <Cheibriados> Travel exclusion around a monster spoiling is spoiling a dungeon feature with a blue square (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5351) by Rimtar
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13:04:15 <CIA-62> 03dolorous * rf7b7e75239dc 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeak.txt: Add another friendly imp greeting.
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14:24:29 <rax> I got the "No Git, and util/release_ver doesn't exist." on a fresh download from Napkin's git repo, too
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14:39:06 <edlothiol> rax: do you have the 0.10.0 tag? (e.g. git show 0.10.0)
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14:51:51 <rax> fatal: ambiguous argument '0.10.0': unknown revision or path not in the working tree.
14:51:57 <rax> I don't actually git, what does that mean?
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14:56:25 <edlothiol> it probably means you don't have the tag, which is probably the problem... I'm not sure how that can happen, though
14:57:10 <edlothiol> try git fetch -t origin
15:00:50 <rax> fatal: 'origin': unable to chdir or not a git archive
15:00:50 <rax> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
15:01:29 <ais523> hmm, it was interpreting "origin" as a directory, not a remote, there
15:01:34 <ais523> rax: does "git remote" list origin?
15:01:43 <edlothiol> it's probably called something else
15:01:53 <ais523> indeed, origin is just the most common, and conventional, name for it
15:02:17 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r72eb5ad2beb7 10/crawl-ref/source/invent.cc: Don't list wands as evokable for felids.
15:02:27 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r2f02e13b8417 10/crawl-ref/source/hints.cc: Update the hint for the skills screen.
15:02:35 <edlothiol> you can also just do git fetch -t git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git
15:02:45 <rax> says nothing
15:02:56 <rax> ...i tried gitorious yesterday and I had to try like 30 times
15:03:07 <rax> I have two checkouts from different git repos failing with the same error
15:03:16 <rax> Using the same commands I used for 0.9
15:03:29 <ais523> sounds a lot like network trouble to me, not sure whose fault it is, though
15:03:44 <greatzebu> what command are you using to check out the repo?
15:04:00 <rax> git fetch git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git stone_soup-0.9
15:04:05 <rax> git checkout -b stone_soup-0.9 FETCH_HEAD
15:04:10 <rax> with s/0.9/0.10/
15:04:20 <edlothiol> if it said nothing, try git describe now
15:05:11 <rax> fatal: cannot describe '5f5999afc5dcfea4564a43d666673a3d3bbb1713'
15:09:52 <kilobyte> I have a strong feeling it might be something related to using truly ancient git
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15:12:27 <kilobyte> its development goes really fast and lurking on git@vger.kernel.org, I see they do care for past compatibility... where "past" is "half a year ago or so" when it comes to commands and repository, a couple years for network accesses
15:12:48 <kilobyte> with an attempt to keep compatibility longer but without really heavily testing all quirks
15:13:40 <greatzebu> what branch is 5f5999 from? it's cherry-picked from master
15:14:34 <kilobyte> greatzebu: it's the current tip of stone_soup-0.10
15:14:47 <kilobyte> ie, 0.10.0-4-g5f5999a
15:16:04 <greatzebu> ok. yeah, i don't have a better idea than weird git compatibility problems
15:17:19 <edlothiol> I wonder if just doing git tag -a 0.10.0 b240b44cf would lead to problems later on
15:17:47 <kilobyte> edlothiol: the tag will be different
15:17:59 <kilobyte> rax: could you check "git tag" to see if you have 0.10.0?
15:18:45 <edlothiol> well yeah, but will that matter? obviously the proper solution would be getting the real tag, but if that somehow doesn't work...
15:19:14 <kilobyte> if that doesn't work, then most likely lots of other stuff will mysteriously fail as well
15:20:23 <kilobyte> also, why won't you declare git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git a remote and use regular commands instead of FETCH_HEAD tricks?
15:21:32 <kilobyte> in 99% checkouts around here, it's a remote named "origin" (as it's what the repository is cloned from first), unless you care to name the remotes (useful mostly if you have many)
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15:24:19 <kilobyte> assuming you use the name "origin" for something you don't want to break, getting 0.10 is:
15:24:20 <rax> git tag has no output
15:24:29 <rax> kilobyte: I know jackall about git
15:24:30 <kilobyte> git remote add gs git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git
15:24:31 <rax> I use svn
15:24:32 <kilobyte> git fetch gs
15:24:38 <rax> I use git because that is what someone told me,
15:24:38 <kilobyte> git checkout stone_soup-0.10
15:24:45 <rax> and these are the commands someone gave me last time
15:24:51 <kilobyte> (better to delete the branch if you created it before)
15:25:16 <rax> it is probably an old git issue
15:25:28 <kilobyte> or alternatively, "git checkout -b stone_soup-0.10 gs/stone_soup-0.10" if the name stone_soup-0.10 is possibly not unique
15:25:30 <rax> but frankly, upgrading cao to shiny new software is not happening anytime soon
15:26:19 <kilobyte> unlike using FETCH_HEAD, it marks the branch as tracking the upstream one, with all automation and niceties involved
15:27:17 <xnavy> rax: what OS is cao using?  you may be able to reinstall/upgrade the git binaries fairly easily...
15:27:29 <greatzebu> it might be easier to just create a 0.10.0 release_ver file and ignore the git problem
15:28:55 <kilobyte> greatzebu: this won't work -- there's a need to pick fixed from time to time
15:29:12 <greatzebu> ah, true. good point
15:29:23 <rax> kilobyte: I am sure you are right but what you are saying makes no sense to me
15:29:29 <rax> xnavy: sarge or something
15:29:42 <xnavy> so debian?
15:30:11 <rax> oh, no, etch
15:30:17 <rax> I already have a backports git
15:30:20 <rax> Yes, debian
15:31:00 <rax> I am running git version 1.5.6.5
15:32:45 <kilobyte> oldest git on backports is 1.7.9-1
15:33:01 <rax> THose are backports to newer versions of Debian
15:33:28 <rax> unless ther is new stuff available
15:33:42 <rax> *checks*
15:35:00 <rax> yeah unfortunately etch backports doesn't go higher than I have
15:35:11 <rax> At least according to apt
15:35:28 <edlothiol> rax: could you try git fetch --tags git://git.develz.org/crawl.git?
15:35:53 <xnavy> k, im a sysad for redhat/fedora, so i dont have a debian box handy.. .i'll see if i can spin up a VM to help troubleshoot though...
15:35:56 <kilobyte> etch and lenny are long past oldstable security support
15:36:13 <rax> kilobyte: yup!
15:36:26 <rax> edlothiol: that is doing something
15:36:55 <edlothiol> does it say that it has new tags?
15:37:06 <rax> Yes.
15:37:36 <edlothiol> that sounds good... try git describe again then
15:38:22 <rax> 0.10.0-4-g5f5999a
15:38:31 <greatzebu> yay :)
15:38:51 <edlothiol> great! that should fix it :)
15:39:07 <kilobyte> I wouldn't dare to run anything network connected using software already known to be vulnerable
15:39:34 <rax> kilobyte: Then it's a good thing you aren't running CAO
15:39:46 <xnavy> lol
15:39:59 <rax> like, seriously, I know it is shitty and old
15:40:07 <rax> you don't need to tell me that ;)
15:41:14 <kilobyte> I mean, it's at least a medium profile target
15:41:51 <kilobyte> and with Debian, dist upgrades are pretty damn fast and safe
15:42:18 <rax> yes, and if I were only one version behind I would probably bite the bullet and try it
15:42:20 <kilobyte> even better, it's a VM so if you don't want a live upgrade you can operate on a copy
15:42:26 <BlastHardcheese> install gentoo problem solved ;)
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15:42:36 <rax> BlastHardcheese: and then I have a new problem ;)
15:43:00 <rax> yes, if I had time to make room on the machine, free up an IP, and copy it, and test upgrade paths, I could do that, you are correct
15:43:39 <kilobyte> you don't need to copy everything, just the system part
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15:44:02 <kilobyte> internal IPs are ok, too
15:44:12 <rax> yes, I could learn how to do those things and then do all of them
15:44:15 <kilobyte> (if you're still in the IPv4-only world :p)
15:44:19 <rax> Seriously, time is the limiting factor for me here
15:44:46 <rax> I haven't learned jackshit about how to do these things since like 2008 because I got promoted into management, and then I went to grad school in the humanities
15:44:59 <kilobyte> ah, but still no reason to run something that is known to be vulnerable
15:45:04 * kilobyte shudders in fear.
15:45:04 <rax> And so honestly I am a pretty bad server administrator!
15:45:26 <rax> The reason is that not doing so requires spending resources I don't have
15:45:47 <kilobyte> so here's a lazy way: backup /etc /usr /var /bin /sbin, do a live upgrade, restore the backup if shit happens
15:46:24 <rax> ...I am so not sold on that plan
15:48:09 <kilobyte> why?  Not as nice as a proper no-downtime replacement, but not something that can really fail.
15:48:22 <CIA-62> 03dolorous * r94232e2db9c4 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des: Add spacing fix.
15:49:01 <rax> I'm unconvinced that that wouldn't fail for a variety of reasons
15:49:02 <rax> I could be wrong
15:49:29 <rax> but I should probably be spending the time I have getting 0.10 to work for the tournament and not arguing about the machine's debian version anyway
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15:51:18 <rax> ...also it turned into almost time for class
15:51:44 <rax> anyway I have a build that works, but make install doesn't because I'm an idiot and screwed something up, I will try to figure it out tonight
15:52:57 <Stormphoenix> wow I never knew deploying a new version was so complicated...
15:53:43 <rax> it's a mess because the system is a mess, to be honest
15:54:00 <rax> it's cruft built on top of junk built on top of me trying to reach myself ruby five years ago
15:54:32 <xnavy> well, from the rest of us who love playing online.. thanks :)
15:54:53 <rax> you're welcome, though you should thank the devteam and folks like Napkin who really make it happen
15:55:11 <rax> at this point most of my job is "keep a computer hooked up to the internet and flail at it every six months" ;)
15:55:25 * rax idles for class
15:57:19 <BlastHardcheese> I do that and I don't even get paid
16:00:11 <Stormphoenix> hows CDO update to 0.10 going
16:00:14 <Stormphoenix> same prob?
16:02:49 <elliptic> I think Napkin just hasn't had time
16:04:34 <kilobyte> really though, there's less than 50 hours to go
16:05:09 <kilobyte> so the situation is becoming a wee pressing
16:06:18 <Stormphoenix> yeah... im thinking the update process certianly needs to be easier. When Ive updated even horribly complicated stuff at work its never taken me this long. But then im not a linux geek, i only deal with windows :D
16:08:49 <kilobyte> not sure about greensnark's overhaul, but before, it was a matter of manually copying 3 or so scripts and replacing 0.9 with 0.10 in them
16:09:00 <greatzebu> in this case it seems to be more a problem of scheduling than difficulty
16:09:30 <Stormphoenix> yeah well RL comes first of course
16:10:14 <kilobyte> yeah... that's why I insisted on a hard deadline for 0.10, unlike just before the tournament like 0.9
16:10:21 <kilobyte> but apparently that's still not enough
16:13:08 <Stormphoenix> ywah looks like tourney will have to be postponed
16:13:31 <elliptic> Stormphoenix: it might not...
16:16:53 <kilobyte> edlothiol: it's about the combined console+webtiles DGL change, right?
16:19:02 <kilobyte> I am afraid I don't have a clue about it, but if Napkin has troubles, perhaps it's time to declare emergency and teach someone like me the basics so it can be done on time?
16:22:20 <CIA-62> 03dolorous 07stone_soup-0.10 * r400e41075e2d 10/crawl-ref/source/terrain.cc: Properly handle it when the species doesn't like water but the form does (ice beast).
16:22:21 <CIA-62> 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.10 * re2e99afd3def 10/crawl-ref/source/hints.cc: Fix hunter hint mode (#5350).
16:22:34 <CIA-62> 03evilmike 07stone_soup-0.10 * r845c34130e08 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/dk_crumbling.des: Fix a rare bug in dk_crumbling.des. (#5345)
16:22:34 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * rf0482f8f23c2 10/crawl-ref/source/ (database.cc spl-summoning.cc): Fix embedded Lua in monster speech not being executed.
16:22:34 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * rd17f6ea87fea 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeak.txt: Properly refer to octopodes in imp greetings and Azrael insults.
16:26:17 <edlothiol> kilobyte: I guess we should ask Napkin if that will be necessary / would help
16:27:24 <kilobyte> one of most known things about programmer management: throwing more people at a problem rarely helps, especially just before a deadline :p
16:28:04 <kilobyte> the main issue, though, is that this kerfuffle happens before every single tournament :(
16:28:26 <edlothiol> yes
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16:28:56 <edlothiol> I hope that future releases will require less work to update webtiles
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16:29:28 <Napkin> so do i :)
16:29:39 <Napkin> 0.10 is in dgl, just not menued yet
16:30:00 <Napkin> i'll probably install webtiles separately first - just to get it going
16:30:11 <kilobyte> great
16:30:19 <Stormphoenix> ooh does that mean octopus warriors in glorious technicolour is imminent? :D
16:30:24 <Napkin> work was crazy again.. and when i come home i really can't stand looking or working with computers at the moment
16:31:36 <kilobyte> @??octopus n_suf name:warrior col:etc_random
16:31:36 <Gretell> bad monster colour "etc_random" in "octopus n_suf name:warrior col:etc_random"
16:32:13 <kilobyte> redefinitions don't support elemental colours :(
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16:57:50 <Cheibriados> Strange tile showing when a sky beast turns invisible (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5352) by Rimtar
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17:38:55 <kilobyte> banish the Royal Jelly, kill any monster on the level -> the vault is opened
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17:39:23 <HangedMan> feature
17:39:53 <BlastHardcheese> fr banish the royal jelly the vault goes to the abyss with it
17:40:21 <HangedMan> if the center part doesn't violate the 28x23 abyss vault maximum size I will eat my hat
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17:45:40 <kilobyte> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100611
17:45:44 <kilobyte> 18x18 :p
17:45:52 <HangedMan> welp there goes a hat
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18:06:28 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * rb9ee935504b2 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/slime.des: Fix Slime:6 vault opening when any monster dies after TRJ has been banished.
18:07:28 <due> "oops"
18:10:22 <Zannick> hahahaha
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18:42:21 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r088b793850d3 10/crawl-ref/source/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Expose mid rather than mindex to dlua.
18:42:21 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r176cd724e918 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/slime.des: Make the Royal Jelly banishment message less cryptic.
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19:00:59 <greensnark> So I hear we have a tourney coming up
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19:01:44 <HangedMan> correct
19:01:57 <greensnark> !time
19:01:58 <Henzell> Time: Feb 23, 2012, 01:01:58 AM, UTC. The 2012 0.10 tournament starts in 1 day, 22 hours, 58 minutes and 1 second.
19:02:01 <greensnark> Hiya HangedMan
19:02:08 <greensnark> Ooh, Saturday
19:02:08 <HangedMan> sssssalut
19:02:32 <HangedMan> ...wait that's the official time whatttttt
19:02:39 <evilmike> hopefully webtiles gets set up soon :P
19:02:52 <HangedMan> there goes trying to 15-rune this hofe before the tourney
19:02:53 <greensnark> Napking busy? :)
19:03:20 <greensnark> ??tourney
19:03:20 <Henzell> tournament[1/3]: The 0.10 tournament will be Feb 25-Mar 12: http://seleniac.org/crawl/tourney/12a/
19:04:59 <evilmike> seems so. I don't blame him, it must be a ton of work
19:05:29 <greensnark> Are the tourney scripts hosted at seleniac
19:05:35 <greensnark> Can I point CAO landing page at that URL
19:05:42 <greensnark> I mean the tourney link on CAO page
19:07:58 <evilmike> I think the tournament should be delayed if webtiles isn't ready soon (say, 24h). It's up to elliptic ultimately, but it would be bad to repeat what happened last tourney with webtiles
19:08:49 <elliptic> evilmike: yes, I don't want to have two tourneys in a row with no webtiles at start
19:08:53 <greensnark> Oh, there was a webtiles delay last tourney?
19:09:07 <greensnark> The new webtiles does ttyrecs, right?
19:09:13 <evilmike> last time, webtiles wasn't available until a few days (5ish) into the tournament
19:09:13 <elliptic> greensnark: yeah, the tourney scripts are at seleniac, so please link :)
19:09:18 <greensnark> Cool
19:09:31 <evilmike> irc users weren't too let down, but there were a lot of complaints on forums etc
19:10:16 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * re8753162c3e3 10/crawl-ref/source/hints.cc: Update the hint for the skills screen.
19:10:18 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r35594fce7b9f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/slime.des: Fix Slime:6 vault opening when any monster dies after TRJ has been banished.
19:11:21 <BlastHardcheese> remove webtiles, problem solved
19:12:07 <evilmike> I think webtiles is the biggest improvement made to crawl in the last several versions
19:12:19 <evilmike> not that I use it really, it's just that it's very popular
19:13:36 <greensnark> Webtiles is awesome, yes
19:13:38 <evilmike> It's pretty cool too. Not too long ago, people would always ask for online tiles, and it seemed like one of those things that would never happen :)
19:14:05 <greensnark> Makes it really easy to just start playing too
19:14:44 <greensnark> Especially compared to setting up ssh and fiddling with keys :)
19:14:52 <BlastHardcheese> no death would probably make crawl more popular, make it happen
19:15:16 <evilmike> play locally, press &
19:15:30 <evilmike> nothing wrong with using wizard mode if it makes the game more fun for you
19:16:22 <greensnark> Oh, isn't 0.10 up on CDO yet
19:16:26 <greensnark> Napkin must be pretty busy
19:16:38 <greensnark> !coffee Napkin
19:16:39 <evilmike> it sounds like he just needs to enable it for console
19:16:40 * Henzell hands Napkin a cup of café au lait, brewed by Kikubaaqudgha.
19:17:05 <greensnark> Yes, should be simple enough
19:17:10 <greensnark> Does he need to make dgl changes for webtiles?
19:17:22 <greensnark> Any idea how big the webtiles changes are?
19:17:42 <evilmike> sounds like that part is done too, although I don't really know how this works or what precisely is involved
19:19:11 <greensnark> Yes, I'd be interested to know how the setup works
19:19:40 <greensnark> !tell Napkin You should do a writeup on how webtiles interacts with dgl when you next happen to be free :)
19:19:40 <Henzell> greensnark: OK, I'll let Napkin know.
19:19:43 <evilmike> as for what's new in webtiles, it records ttyrecs, there's an actual monster list now, and a "glyph mode" which sounds like you can play webtiles without tiles
19:19:59 <greensnark> webtiles ttyrec sounds awesome
19:20:12 <greensnark> So many good splats I miss otherwise
19:20:27 <evilmike> yeah, hopefully shouldn't need to add !tiles to every query any more
19:20:51 <evilmike> I'm still upset that I will never get to see this:
19:20:51 <evilmike> !lg * killer=grinder the hellephant
19:20:52 <Sequell> 1. AStranger the Skirmisher (L5 DEWn), blasted by Grinder the hellephant (blast of flame) on D:5 on 2011-08-23, with 364 points after 6734 turns and 0:17:00.
19:21:07 <edlothiol> greensnark: basically, the webtiles server writes ttyrecs and lockfiles in the same way dgl does, so it needs to be pointed at the same directories as dgl and should work then (although I haven't really been able to set up dgl to test it)
19:21:08 <greensnark> Haha
19:21:27 <greensnark> edlothiol: Cool; is it sandboxed the way dgl is, though?
19:21:40 <greensnark> i.e. is Napkin chrooting the webtiles server as well?
19:22:44 <st_> dramatic reenactment:  @...5   @...*   @...Y   @***Y   You die...
19:22:44 <Henzell> st_: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
19:23:12 <greensnark> So demonic creatures can be polymorphed now?
19:23:13 <edlothiol> greensnark: I think that's the main snag in setting it up; until now, it isn't, but I've added support for it in 0.10
19:23:25 <greensnark> edlothiol: Cool!
19:23:57 <greensnark> So is that why there's the delay in activating the new webtiles?
19:24:11 <greensnark> i.e. Napking has to switch from the old setup to the new?
19:24:16 <greensnark> Or just lack of time, I guess
19:24:31 <greensnark> Can I build 0.10 on cao
19:24:48 <evilmike> demon polymorphing was added in 0.8 or 0.9
19:24:50 <st_> evilmike: oh yeah, I forgot about the teleport scrolls. I don't remember why I placed them, they should be removed
19:25:00 <evilmike> "grinder the hellephant" is extremely unusual though
19:25:32 <kilobyte> greensnark: r a x will love you if you do
19:25:38 <greensnark> Wow, CAO load average is ridiculous
19:25:45 <greensnark> Hey kilobyte
19:25:59 <greensnark> load average: 13.35, 10.45, 8.20
19:26:01 <kilobyte> greensnark: <3
19:26:13 <kilobyte> all Crawl, or... ?
19:26:24 <edlothiol> greensnark: yeah, there's also other stuff like updating the config and so on
19:26:28 <BlastHardcheese> no wonder it's slower than molasses
19:26:34 <edlothiol> I'd guess it's still compiling 0.10?
19:26:37 <evilmike> st_: another thing about zig sprint... ashenzari lets you peek into some chambers, but not others (depends on positioning). What do you think about that?
19:26:53 <evilmike> st_: it would be easy enough to fix by just removing the ashenzari altar. Dunno if that's a big deal
19:27:22 <kilobyte> edlothiol: that'd be one process (or 4 with -j4)
19:27:22 <greensnark> Mostly running crawl processes
19:27:36 <greensnark> I don't see any active compilation
19:27:45 <st_> it's alright I think, I'd rather not remove gods
19:27:56 <greensnark> Did r.a.x start a 0.10 build already
19:29:03 <greensnark> It'd be nice to have another US-based crawl server to take some load off CAO
19:29:12 <greensnark> But geez, hosting prices in the US are atrocious
19:29:27 <greensnark> For the same hardware that I get in Germany for $50 I have to pay $300 in the US? No thanks
19:29:37 <greensnark> (per month)
19:30:25 <Zannick> maybe canadian hosting would be cheaper? :P
19:30:35 <greensnark> Is it? Haven't checked :)
19:30:39 <evilmike> unlikely. as a rule, everything here costs more than it does in the USA
19:30:50 <Zannick> dunno, i haven't either :)
19:31:39 <due> greensnark! <3
19:31:55 <due> greensnark: Yes, I believe r.a.x. tried to start 0.10 but had Git Issues.
19:32:40 <edlothiol> the git issues were solved, but I don't know if she started a new build after that
19:32:59 <greensnark> Morning due :)
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19:34:55 <greensnark> !tell rax I'm going to try a 0.10 CAO build in ~crawl/git-sources/crawl-ref
19:34:55 <Henzell> greensnark: OK, I'll let rax know.
19:35:12 <greensnark> Wow, I left that pointing at SF
19:38:00 <greensnark> CAO might benefit from a cross-compile :)
19:38:55 <rax> greensnark: hey
19:38:55 <Henzell> rax: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
19:39:09 <rax> There is a build that should be valid in ~/crawl/0.10-again/
19:39:24 <rax> But DESTDIR is unset and so I can't just make install it, so I need to figure that out
19:39:47 <greensnark> Hey rax
19:39:49 <greensnark> Oh cool
19:39:53 <greensnark> Let me look
19:40:23 <due> You are my DESTDIRy?
19:40:23 <rax> Basically I've been a mess in terms of CAO stuff lately :(
19:40:59 <rax> I'm also not sure about webtiles but if you know how to set it up, awesome
19:41:04 <greensnark> Sounds like you're busy, then
19:41:19 <greensnark> I'm not sure about the webtiles stack on cao, need to check if all the python versions, etc. line up
19:41:27 <rax> I doubt they will :P
19:41:33 <greensnark> I had similar doubts :)
19:41:42 <rax> I am busy but I just gave my giant school presentation and biked home, and my plan was to poke at this for a bit
19:41:52 <rax> So maybe we can team up?
19:41:58 <greensnark> Sounds great
19:42:13 <due> I am totally envisioning a 2-v-2 pokemon battle now!
19:42:37 <rax> ...also, y'all are allowed to highlight me, you know ;)
19:42:43 <greensnark> :)
19:42:48 <due> Biker Rax & Trainer Greensnark versus Python Plague & Se(r)ver(e) Pain?
19:48:39 <greensnark> Does CAO git update still work?
19:48:47 <rax> ..."CAO git update?"
19:49:00 <greensnark> The job that builds the latest Crawl from git master
19:49:47 <rax> Oh that should be working
19:49:55 <rax> or rather
19:50:00 <greensnark> Last changelog there said Jan 23, which was surprising
19:50:02 <rax> I couldn't figure out how it used to work but I made a cronjob
19:50:18 <rax> Sometimes it crashes? But I didn't realize that it had been that long :/
19:50:50 <greensnark> Or maybe it's just the changelog not updating?
19:51:11 <rax> Maybe, I'm not sure :/
19:51:35 <rax> /home/crawl/dgl.log suggests it ran on the 17th at least
19:51:42 <greensnark> Ah
19:55:04 <rax> I am working on setting up the dgamelaunch.conf and inprogressdirs and such right now, since I know I can do that ;)
19:56:13 <greensnark> Do you edit the templates or the dgamelaunch.conf directly?
19:56:45 <greensnark> I left the dgl config setup on cao mostly incomplete, so it's probably confusing as heck
19:57:34 <greensnark> Manually running update-trunk seems to be building trunk build
19:57:41 <greensnark> Although that's not directly related to 0.10 :)
19:58:26 <rax> I found I had to edit both
19:58:37 <rax> So I am making an /etc/dgamelaunch.conf.new
19:59:23 <greensnark> Ah, the idea was to update the template and then run dgl publish
19:59:25 <rax> and will make new menu things in /chroot/dgldir/data/menu
19:59:32 <rax> That was opaque :)
19:59:45 <greensnark> :)
19:59:48 <greensnark> Yes indeed
19:59:57 <rax> So I figured out how it worked and just did it by hand :P
20:00:27 <greensnark> Looks like you also updated the templates, thanks :)
20:00:41 <Cheibriados> Strange message "You hit DEAD MONSTER!" when whacking things with |summoning (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5353) by scwizard
20:00:53 <rax> greensnark: What are the templates?
20:01:42 <greensnark> Well, they're not entirely templates: the files under ~crawl/conf-dgamelaunch/chroot
20:01:55 <greensnark> The idea was to eventually eliminate some of the boilerplate
20:02:12 <greensnark> But I think pax.ed has improved dgl itself to make the menu defs less boilerplatey
20:02:33 <greensnark> The other thing I wanted was to keep all the dgl config in one nice tree so I could keep it in version control
20:03:07 <greensnark> The idea being that the configs that lived in /etc or in the chroot itself were built from the versioned files
20:03:44 <rax> Huh. That does sound clever!
20:04:40 <greensnark> Also I'd wanted to keep all the server-specific config in dgl-manage.conf there
20:05:05 <greensnark> Some of it is there, but there's still a lot embedded in the actual config and the menu defs
20:05:37 <greensnark> I think dgl passwd mostly works to reset passwords, btw :)
20:05:46 <rax> oh hey cool
20:05:49 <rax> I am always editing the database
20:05:56 <rax> (on the plus side I sort of learned sqlite! :)
20:06:04 <greensnark> sqlite is cool :)
20:06:14 <rax> It was way easier than I expected
20:06:25 <rax> I even wrote python code to interact with it and output things to a webpage
20:06:32 <rax> I felt like an eight-year-old, but an awesome eight-year-old ;)
20:06:56 <greensnark> Python is cool too :)
20:08:07 <greensnark> One of these days I should update the dgl umbrella scripts to the point where installing a new version involves something like dgl install crawl-0.10
20:08:11 <due> Python <333
20:08:17 * due has a love/love affair with python.
20:09:11 <greensnark> I heard that Crawl now has pythons
20:09:14 <greensnark> @?? ball python
20:09:14 <Gretell> unknown monster: "ball python"
20:09:17 <greensnark> Dammit
20:09:21 <greensnark> Was it bull python? :)
20:09:25 <due> @??monty python
20:09:26 <Gretell> unknown monster: "monty python"
20:09:26 <greensnark> It was a something python
20:09:28 <due> :(
20:09:29 <greensnark> Not a monty
20:09:35 <due> POOR MONTY.
20:10:27 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r0448f4080788 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Fix attack continuing after abjuring monsters with a staff of summoning.
20:11:49 <greensnark> Cool, 10 minutes from bug report to fix
20:17:35 <rax> okay I have the dgl stuff mostly ready I think
20:17:46 <greensnark> rax: Have you seen http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/whog/morgue-whog-20100813-185722.txt
20:17:54 <greensnark> Look at the notes :)
20:18:15 <rax> WHAT
20:18:17 <GrimmSweeper> Good god
20:18:51 <due> . . .
20:19:29 <rax> greensnark: have you any idea what's up with my lack of DESTDIR and making make install work? Or anyone else?
20:19:35 <rax> due do you build this thing ever? :)
20:19:52 <Zannick> ahahaha
20:19:55 <due> rax: not recently? and not outside of make debug rather than install
20:19:58 <Zannick> re: whog morgue
20:20:08 <due> Now I want to see whog standing over a patch of blood noting "OUT SPOT OUT".
20:20:43 <greensnark> rax: I've always just set savedir and datadir and copied stuff in manually :)
20:21:31 <rax> huh
20:21:36 <rax> I could probably do that if I figured out where stuff was
20:21:53 <rax> But I like the process of make isntall, test outside chroot, copy into chroot, make sure things still work there
20:23:18 <greensnark> The only catch with changing DESTDIR now is that I think that forces a recompile?
20:23:24 <greensnark> Or I may be misremembering
20:25:08 <greensnark> I also just used to go straight in and drop the game into the chroot and then kick it until it worked :)
20:25:25 <rax> hah
20:25:26 <rax> well
20:25:28 <rax> I can do that I guess
20:25:43 <greensnark> You could add the entry in the admin menu first
20:25:48 <greensnark> Until we have it sorted out
20:25:55 <rax> yes, good call
20:25:58 <due> Kicking things until they work is always enjoyable.
20:26:16 <greensnark> s/until they work //
20:30:40 <rax> Error: unknown encoding "This option is for DGL use only."
20:30:41 <rax> hah
20:30:53 <rax> Cannot find data file 'dlua/macro.lua' anywhere, aborting
20:31:14 <greensnark> Nice :)
20:31:19 <rax> hrm
20:31:27 <greensnark> Is the data in the datadir?
20:31:58 <rax> huh it is in /chroot/var/games/crawl10/data/dlua/
20:32:30 <rax> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
20:32:36 <kilobyte> rax: you can drop the encoding query BTW
20:32:42 <rax> fucking git fucking clobbered my setting DATADIR and SAVEDIR
20:32:45 <rax> fuck me for fucking it up
20:32:53 <rax> kilobyte: I don't know what that means
20:33:09 <kilobyte> it's of no use anymore outside of 0.7
20:33:14 <greensnark> I think the shell script that launched crawl had a knob that does some encoding stuff
20:33:17 <greensnark> Let me look
20:33:53 <greensnark> rax: Might want to create a build-crawl script or something that sets the variables without having to edit the makefile
20:34:16 <rax> wait what did I do wrong
20:34:16 <greensnark> Otherwise it is rather easy to clobber changes by reverting the makefile
20:34:20 <rax> I tried that last time and it was a nightmare
20:34:28 <rax> I am still angry that the makefile and apphdr files got changed
20:34:31 <rax> I should probably get over it
20:34:34 <rax> but they are so hard to use now
20:34:52 <greensnark> I think they're just different now :)
20:35:36 <rax> oh god all of my changes are gone
20:35:40 <rax> dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmit
20:35:41 <kilobyte> greensnark: past versions could use different encodings, new ones work in Unicode internally
20:35:50 <greensnark> Ouch
20:35:55 <greensnark> kilobyte: Nice
20:36:04 <greensnark> kilobyte: So we support Unicode text input and stuff now?
20:37:40 <kilobyte> yeah
20:38:14 <rax> ...okay I have to build again
20:38:18 <greensnark> rax: I used this script http://sprunge.us/CdCG to build 0.8
20:38:19 <rax> so I guess I will come back in 75 minutes :/
20:38:23 <greensnark> Ouch
20:38:55 <greensnark> CAO build is pretty time intensive
20:38:58 <kilobyte> DGL was supposed to do charset conversions, but it turns out any non completely obscure terminals obey the "force UTF-8" code
20:39:05 <rax> it's been getting worse every release
20:39:10 <rax> I mean part of it is that CAO is just constantly under load
20:39:17 <rax> but the code is also getting huger :)
20:39:21 <greensnark> Yes, load average was through the roof when I checked :)
20:39:37 <greensnark> It's a little better now, just >6 :D
20:39:38 <rax> It's kind of always like that
20:41:24 <kilobyte> just wait until someone uses Chei's Time Step in the Abyss... that's several seconds on a fast unloaded machine
20:41:39 <kilobyte> no obvious fix without changing the ability
20:42:05 <greensnark> Yeow
20:43:22 <kilobyte> it waits ~1000 turns, and new Abyss runs the Worley noise function for every grid square every turn
20:44:07 <greensnark> Waiting 1000 turns sounds like it would be reasonably expensive even outside the abyss
20:44:20 <greensnark> unless monster ai has become vastly more efficient?
20:45:01 <kilobyte> there's been quite some speed-ups there, yeah
20:45:45 <kilobyte> Worley is optimized already so calculating the function itself can't be really sped up
20:45:49 <rax> this summer I would like to get new hardware for CAO
20:46:05 <rax> and migrate over to a fresh install
20:46:15 <rax> so that even if that one gets stale it will not be _quite_ so oldcore
20:46:15 <greensnark> rax: Sounds great!
20:46:28 <greensnark> oldcore <3
20:46:28 <greensnark> I am oldcore
20:47:03 <rax> It would also be nice for the other VMs on the host, although the rest of them do ~nothing and CAO is like I WILL EAT ALL THE CPU GIVE IT TO MEEEEE
20:48:56 <kilobyte> rax: main problem in cloning the VM is in disk space, right?
20:49:26 <rax> well also I am not sure this xen instance supports the most modern debian
20:49:30 <rax> are we still on squeeze?
20:50:16 <kilobyte> if so, I'd really recommend btrfs for the next installation, instant cow clones = <3
20:50:49 <rax> what is that?
20:51:22 <kilobyte> rax: I think it may have problems with etch kernels, but Xen can run different kernels for each VM
20:51:40 <rax> Yes, we do that
20:51:59 <rax> we had some issues with late 2.6 kernels, but I think we are able to get to squeeze at least
20:52:50 <due> I seem to recall kernel kaos the last time you updated ... stablemachine.
20:54:02 <rax> strict-machine? or autumnfox?
20:54:17 <rax> oooh, the crawl build is up to the e... files
20:54:22 <kilobyte> rax: on btrfs, copying a file or a subvolume (ie, a mountable filesystem) takes no space, further changes take only as much as the differences are
20:54:34 <rax> wow that sounds awesome actually
20:54:36 <rax> and it's stable?
20:54:51 <due> strict-machine!
20:55:07 <due> i knew stable-machine couldn't be right :))
20:55:11 <kilobyte> new LVM can sort of do this too but nowhere as conveniently
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21:26:32 <rax> ...all the way to shopping.o!
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21:34:06 <due> rax: laughing all the way to the bank.o?
21:52:39 <rax> DB directory "/var/games/crawl10/saves/cache.0.10.0-4-g5f5999a/db/" does not exist and I can't create it.
21:53:22 <rax> Hrm.
21:53:26 <rax> Permissions look okay?
21:53:55 <rax> That directory does not exist but I don't see why it can't be created
21:55:00 <rax> oh hey parent directory permissions exist
21:55:39 <rax> oh for fuck's sake
21:55:46 <rax> why does the lua not have the right directory in it
21:56:46 <rax> Lua execfile error (dlua/loadmaps.lua): /var/games/crawl10/data/dlua/loadmaps.lua:7: Cannot find data directory: 'dat/des'
21:57:01 <rax> It presumably wants /var/games/crawl10/data/des
21:57:28 <rax> how do I affect the build to specify that?
21:57:58 <due> hm
21:58:03 <rax> I mean I can edit this manually
21:58:13 <due> edit loadmaps.lua?
21:58:25 <due> I havenever tried to install crawl before :(
21:59:27 <rax> Huh, something more foul happens
21:59:27 <rax> Lua execfile error (dlua/loadmaps.lua): /var/games/crawl10/data/dlua/loadmaps.lua:7: Cannot find data directory: '/var/games/crawl10/data/des'
21:59:43 <due> ouch
22:00:01 * due makes sign to ward off evil against lua
22:00:09 <rax> that directory exists, and everything is chowned to games:games
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22:13:40 <rax> who is Pancakes?
22:13:49 <rax> !whereis rax
22:13:50 <Henzell> rax the Ducker (L5 OpFi) dead on D:6 on 2012-02-23 after 844 turns.
22:20:22 <jeanjacques> 0.10 on cao has a empty rc file instead of the default one
22:24:27 <rax> huh
22:24:28 <rax> um
22:24:29 <rax> I have no idea
22:25:35 <rax> watch race/classes also don't work
22:25:35 <jeanjacques> well people can just restore the default through the advanced options but it is confusing
22:25:41 <rax> that happened last time but fuck if I remember why
22:25:48 <rax> I should be able to fix that, I need to poke around more
22:26:28 <jeanjacques> unable to create file "/dgldir/rcfiles/crawl-0.10/jeanjacques.rc"
22:26:55 <rax> working on it
22:27:47 <jeanjacques> no pressure just trying to help :)
22:31:16 <rax> jeanjacques: try now?
22:31:58 <jeanjacques> it worked
22:32:00 <rax> sweeeeeeeeeeet
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22:57:46 <greensnark> rax: Nice work :)
22:58:47 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-230-g176cd72 (32)
23:00:06 <rax> greensnark: wheeeeeeeeee :) hopefully it's actually working, it... looks to be?
23:00:30 <rax> sequell still needs to be updated, but that lives on someone else's machine
23:00:43 <greensnark> Mine, actually, let me update it :)
23:00:48 <greensnark> Scoring scripts too
23:01:00 <greensnark> And presumably Henzell
23:01:02 <rax> oh hey cool :P
23:01:05 <rax> Henzell should be okay
23:01:14 <greensnark> Is it the same logfile as before?
23:01:18 <greensnark> Or a new logfile
23:01:21 <rax> there's a def.logs and a def.stones and I added the new files
23:01:31 <greensnark> And restarted?
23:01:42 <rax> Yup
23:01:51 <greensnark> Cool, let me merge your changes :)
23:01:54 <rax> and it's picking up games and reporting deaths in ##crawl
23:03:13 <greensnark> !lg * 0.10
23:03:13 <Sequell> No games for * (0.10).
23:05:32 <rax> do you remember why dgl is not picking up race/class combos in the watch screen by any chance?
23:06:06 <greensnark> Needs a restart of the inotify daemon
23:06:08 <greensnark> I restarted it
23:06:16 <rax> oh
23:06:18 <greensnark> You need to run `dgl crawl-inotify-dglwhere`
23:06:23 <rax> thanks!
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23:06:43 <greensnark> There's a daemon that monitors changed .where files and writes a .dglwhere file that dgl can read for the location
23:07:00 <greensnark> But it only looks in game dirs that it saw when it started up
23:07:05 <greensnark> So new versions need a restart
23:07:52 <rax> I added that to my notes, thanks :)
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23:20:40 <greensnark> !lg * 0.10
23:20:40 <Sequell> 32. djroomba the Ruinous (L2 NaCj), slain by a necrophage on D:3 on 2012-02-23, with 54 points after 340 turns and 0:01:34.
23:20:56 <greensnark> djroomba is a good name
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