00:07:34 -!- greatzebu__ has quit [Quit: greatzebu__] 00:43:10 greensnark, hey 00:46:13 -!- Wensley_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 00:49:45 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:50:41 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:14:55 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:49 -!- casmith790 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:34:28 You hit the war dog but do no damage. 01:34:28 You kill the war dog! 01:34:32 I didn't know that bug was still around 01:36:23 -!- casmith_789 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:37 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:49:40 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:35:06 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 02:44:44 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:23:26 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:04:04 24 to 48h 04:04:05 lol 04:04:12 cdo will never be ready in time :D 04:13:16 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:10 -!- _oiseaux has joined ##crawl-dev 04:20:02 Napkin: so set yourself some deadline you can keep and tell people about it? I believe 15th was pretty much taken out of thin air without much discussion, mostly to ensure everything will be ready for the tournament. 04:20:37 also, to have any date at all 04:21:02 i wish i could - but work is just unexpectedly busy at the moment 04:21:25 can you get webtiles ready for the tournament? 04:21:38 if not, you should probably tell people now so it can be postponed 04:23:39 postponing if release takes more time was always on the table afaik, it just should be done soon if its done 04:37:46 alefury: it was postponed many times already 04:38:41 cant have a tournament without servers, right? 04:39:04 there's a chance to actually release... we can release tomorrow as planned, and if shit happens, there'll be 0.10.1 04:39:24 sooo, release without cdo? 04:39:38 alefury: I somehow trust in Napkin's ability to get console 0.10 up :p 04:41:55 did you tag it as release already? 04:42:26 https://develz.org/wtf/ 04:44:01 (facepalms are unrelated, of course - just sharing) 04:44:41 Napkin: 0.10-b1 is tagged, 0.10 final is planned soon (today or tomorrow). 04:45:02 no one is standing above you with a whip, not until soon before Feb 25 :p 04:45:03 i should install it in dgl before that's done 04:45:22 because otherwise we'll have to add another exception to finding the proper morgues 04:45:46 good point, I did not know that 04:45:50 the 0.9 release morgue finding wasn't fixed yet 04:45:58 sorry 04:46:08 I should *not* install it in dgl before it's tagged 04:46:33 so, as soon as you tag, i will disable auto-upgrade on CDO 04:46:42 and then setup 0.10 04:47:11 CDO doesn't have 0.10 anyway 04:47:18 trunk is trunk, it works well 04:48:56 it's be nice to have edlothiol's combined console+tiles, but if that somehow fails, you can always copy 0.9's entries like it was done before 04:54:10 cdo has had 0.10 games 04:54:45 if i install 0.10 now, there will be morgues with 0.10-b1 in trunke and 0.10 branch 04:55:17 so, it's better to wait until the release is flagged - but yes, auto-upgrade is 0.11 at the moment 04:56:43 would a -rc tag be helpful? 04:57:07 hmm, probably 04:57:16 but i'm not sure 04:57:37 don't know about the scoring website and i didn't write that part in gretell either 04:57:53 do it - we'll see 04:57:56 no one says everything must be done today or tomorrow 04:58:11 if you'll have time anywhere in next ten days, all is well 04:58:26 that's the slippage buffer (as shit ALWAYS happens) 05:00:07 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-175-g75e0b1b 05:15:05 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:17 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:26:21 -!- edlothiol has quit [*.net *.split] 05:26:21 -!- Eifeltrampel has quit [*.net *.split] 05:26:22 -!- kunwon1 has quit [*.net *.split] 05:26:22 -!- due has quit [*.net *.split] 05:26:22 -!- jle has quit [*.net *.split] 05:26:22 -!- elly has quit [*.net *.split] 05:26:22 -!- Zannick has quit [*.net *.split] 05:26:22 -!- joosa has quit [*.net *.split] 05:26:22 -!- 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doot stupid ideas thread doot doot 06:31:49 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:58 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:41:43 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:50:24 kilobyte: cheibriados not granting resists anymore is missing from the changelog 06:55:16 also, heres some happy feedback on 0.10 changes, if anyone needs an ego boost: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3776 06:57:29 a player who doesn't whine, that's a fake 07:07:14 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:25 Ragdoll: the feature request question in the survey is weird imo, the mantis category has been disabled for a long time, and there are other ways to request features. maybe reword it? 07:11:02 also: great job, looking forward to seeing the results! 07:13:35 alefury: funny you say this, i am reading the last survey question regarding the survey itself right now 07:13:35 Ragdoll: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 07:13:54 reading up on this, then possible fixing, then upping the actual survey 07:14:52 !messages 07:14:53 (1/1) evilmike said (13h 36m 19s ago): is https://crawl.develz.org/survey/index.php?sid=99834 the correct survey? Also, could you have a look at it soon? It would be good to have the official survey ready soon, and there's not much time left before the 0.10 deadline. message me if you want to discuss anything about it 07:15:43 theres a link on the title screen now, to /wordpress/survey, which can be changed to point at the correct survey by N and probably other people 07:15:51 i wonder what i should do with the ´test´ survey 07:15:56 +results 07:16:24 it has some "test case" stuff in it. not sure how many people seriously filled it out. 07:17:03 i think ill just export to pdf for giggles, then put it offline 07:20:46 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:17 http://crawl.develz.org/survey/upload/surveys/99834/images/fancy%20stats.pdf 07:24:20 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28:39 suggestion: rephrase that 'addicted' part 07:29:00 it causes negative connotations and a lot of people who'd otherwise choose the option to instead pick the 9 hour option 07:31:18 probably remove some of the "no answer" options and use sensible defaults instead 07:31:44 for example: "which crawl meeting places do you visit" should use "never" as the default, not "no answer" 07:32:49 best would be using "no answer" as a 5th option that is selected by default and automatically deselected if anything is chosen, but that may be hard or impossible to do 07:33:06 optional questions force the ´no answer´ option, although i did glaze over a option that disables it somewhere 07:33:28 nah, im pretty sure that can be done, but no use if i cant remove ´no answer´ 07:34:08 if its a single part question the "no answer" default works, but with multi-part stuff its weird 07:38:12 changed addicted to just ¨I play almost every day (10+ hours/week).¨ 07:38:56 also where is this feature request stuff with the mantis located again? 07:39:35 development participation 07:41:58 i dont see anything weird 07:42:35 i found it confusing because "FR" used to be a mantis category 07:43:04 which was disabled a long time ago because that stuff should go on the wiki 07:46:42 ¨I've submitted feature requests.` sounds pretty general, though 07:47:35 submitted was what threw me off actually 07:47:43 its not a serious problem anyway 07:48:05 could add ¨to the wiki¨ 07:48:40 or ¨on the development wiki¨ 07:48:41 or just make it more general: "suggested new features or other changes to the devs" 07:49:31 a lot of feature requests got discussed on the tavern while g had more time 07:49:50 also, dpeg 07:50:22 wiki is more formal 07:50:37 how about even more general: ¨I've suggested new features or other changes.¨ 07:50:50 sounds nice to me 07:52:00 alright. i am unable to pick the default answer, only for dropdown questions 07:52:31 so ¨no answer¨ stays in, alas 07:54:47 well, just replacing all cases of Stonesoup with Stone Soup, and i think thats its set then 07:55:04 nice! 07:56:57 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:20 Well, i´m done. The survey will be hosted on the same link thankfully. (https://crawl.develz.org/survey/index.php?sid=99834). 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can demon spam so much 15:47:53 kind of makes zigsprint super easy :( 15:48:54 seems sort of decently balanced now at least, just need to adjust loot a bit I think 15:49:11 every sprint map has weird ways to make it easier than it should be 15:49:12 evilmike: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:49:18 well, makh isn't so weird, but still 15:49:37 hm, i think greater demons are supposed to cost a bunch of extra piety in sprint, but maybe that's still not enough to compensate for them killing everything 15:50:01 oh well, it's still super fun to steamroll through everything 15:50:16 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:29 is zigsprint going to be its own game mode, or classified as a sprint map? since it's rather different from the other sprints (no puzzle-y stuff) 15:50:45 it will be sprint V unless someone comes out of nowhere and submits it before st_ is done 15:50:46 it's a sprint map 15:51:01 by "it" I mean a different sprint map 15:51:23 that reminds m i need to beat sprint 3/4 15:52:42 sprint 3 is pretty different, in that it is more like a full game of crawl distilled into one level (its also way longer than the other sprints) 15:52:52 4 is a bit unique too because it has something of a coherent theme 15:53:44 so, a "zig sprint" map doesn't seem to me like such a big leap. I rememebr chapayev saying that was the original design for sprint, too 15:54:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:55 I think I might guarantee obsidian axe, maxwells and shield of the gong in the starting room 16:17:00 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:36 shame you can't easily track players using those 3 for the whole map, and reward them somehow 16:17:57 that's a pretty fun idea though! 16:19:58 are you going to use any of the weirder sprint things, like quad damage, or sprint uniques? 16:19:59 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:19:59 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 16:20:25 I have unique rooms, that all uniques can appear in (including &s) 16:20:36 though actually I forgot to put in the sprint ones 16:21:00 quad damage would be fun to appear rarely in the loot 16:21:36 when you said that I briefly thought of all the & uniques at once in a single room 16:28:06 -!- tejing has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:16 is anyone aware that the stone_soup-0.9.2-nodeps.tar.bz2 source archive won't build, at least on unix? the build system seems to expect a directory source/contrib/ but it doesn't exist. 16:29:11 "nodeps" means no dependencies. Download the other one, it has source/contrib/ 16:29:16 -!- xnavy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:42 I understand that, however the build system should function... 16:29:56 if the libraries in question are all installed in the system 16:30:17 n78291 just got a friendly smoke demon to smite through translucent stone 16:30:42 does anyone who understands that part of the code (kilobyte?) know how this could happen? 16:30:49 tejing: yeah. I only have windows here. Hopefully someone else can help you with that 16:30:59 would be very good to fix that for 0.10 16:31:12 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:33:50 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 16:39:31 I can't seem to place "plate armour unrand:maxwells_patent_armour" 16:41:03 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:18 st_: that's odd. I justed tested in wizmode, works fine. Also tried "ITEM: plate armour unrand:maxwells_patent_armour" in a vault 16:42:32 maybe you made a typo? 16:43:09 also if your local build is very outdated, it might still be plate mail or whatever it used to be 16:44:40 aha! I didn't have lua installed. the install docs don't mention it under prerequisites (other systems) , but after installing that the build system no longer looks for contrib. someone should probably update INSTALL.txt 16:48:47 hm apparently that trove that can spawn it uses "patent_armour_of_maxwell" in my version so I supposed that has changed 16:51:48 lua is definitely mentioned as a prereq in the latest INSTALL.txt... not sure about 9.2 or earlier though 17:06:39 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:35 elliptic: that allies smites going through glass is in that huge "bug report" about the glass change by the way. 17:10:31 delicious glass! 17:11:41 I think monsters can still blink through glass 17:11:53 which is weird considering that smiting can't 17:12:30 its also weird considering that blinking cant 17:12:54 -!- ixtli has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:13:08 well monsters cheat all the time 17:13:24 well, monsters have always cheated a lot with blink for some reason 17:14:23 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:19 monsters can still blink through glass, but they will only do it in weird circumstances 17:16:45 like, they only cast it if you're actually in combat with them 17:31:22 -!- iasov has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:21 so they only do it when players might notice? not sure that's really better :p 17:41:01 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:53 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43:32 no, I mean if you have a monster in a glass box, it won't cast blink. But if you're in the box with the monster, it will cast blink 17:44:00 this sounds weird in general 17:47:40 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:03 shame that DESC: doesn't seem to work for subvaults 18:13:53 I kind of want some indication of which # room you're in/died in 18:16:58 what if you place runes at regular intervals? Wouldn't be the first sprint map to use runes. It would just be a measure of "score", here 18:17:23 although for that, you wouldn't want to start handing them out too early 18:22:49 st_: How did you want it to work for subvaults? 18:23:07 st_: I don't really think there's any sane way, because after the subvault has been placed--it's merged into the main vault. 18:25:40 it seems like it would be worth storing that information somewhere 18:25:51 so it's machine-accessible, not just via the name of the portal or whatever 18:26:02 I was hoping it would look like [killed] ... in the Dungeon (Zig Sprint [map desc](Room 27 [subvault desc])) 18:26:09 (if normal zigs announce the last 10 levels, why not sprint zigs too?) 18:26:27 Eronarn: zig sprint is one map, with many rooms 18:26:53 evilmike: yes, i know, i'm saying it would probably require some extra code bu that it's worth doing :P 18:26:54 evilmike: I'm not sure on that, seems weird to get say a slimy rune in a crypt room 18:27:11 st_: you can spawn multiples of any rune, i think? just that normally it doesn't happen 18:27:16 st_: yeah that is weird, you'd need to hand out runes in theme-appropriate rooms 18:27:30 although you could be a bit flexible, or even use the elven rune 18:27:34 could have each monster set spawn 1 rune of a matching type, so you win when you have 27 runes 18:28:00 i think there's a forest rune too 18:28:03 mossy or something? 18:28:14 yeah. unused runes are mossy, gossamer, and elven 18:28:24 heck, add more unused runes 18:28:28 orcish rune 18:28:32 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:44 well for score it's pointless to give that many runes because you hit the score cap like zotdef 18:28:48 the only one that's going to make it into the game any time soon is gossamer (spider) 18:28:55 it only takes ~5000 turns to win 18:29:01 I'm not sure why elven and mossy runes exist 18:29:04 st_: ah, thats a good point 18:29:06 adding a new rune is not a huge investment 18:29:17 it will never show up in the normal game 18:29:44 but it'd add some flavor... the score cap thing seems like it should be addressed 18:29:51 what about just counting each turn as 27 turns 18:29:57 when you're sprinting 18:30:59 I think for zig sprint XPs relation to score would be most significant thing, rewarding conquering & etcrooms 18:31:03 !lg * sprint max=score 18:31:04 133057. josh the Archmage (L23 OpFE), worshipper of Vehumet, escaped with the Orb and 10 runes on 2012-02-05, with 39133419 points after 16307 turns and 4:59:50. 18:31:26 !lg * max=score 18:31:27 1463986. hyperbolic the Petrodigitator (L20 DDEE), worshipper of Makhleb, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2011-03-02, with 40764447 points after 35317 turns and 7:29:40. 18:38:47 -!- petete has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:54 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.26/20120128224517]] 18:51:30 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:25 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:54:35 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 19:02:13 -!- greatzebu has quit [Quit: greatzebu] 19:04:32 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:21 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:07:56 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:38 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:21:35 -!- 17SAAL483 is now known as gnsh 19:36:45 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:38:50 -!- Wensley_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:24 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 20:03:05 on unix, shouldn't the settings directory be separate from the immutable data (and probably per-user rather than system-wide)? 20:04:10 -!- monqy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:05:15 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:05:43 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:27 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:08:55 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:44 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:18:27 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:51 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:20:51 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 20:21:09 -!- Xiberia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:58 kilobyte: so, I simplified the "new X.Y" process in my gcc-doc packaging 20:36:04 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:36:22 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:36:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:38:25 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 20:38:52 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:38:52 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 20:41:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41:58 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:49 Phoenix are farmable for endless XP. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5314) by elliptic 20:49:54 Can't see monster glyphs (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5315) by rebthor 21:04:00 -!- Wensley_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 21:16:56 -!- greatzebu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:33:18 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:31 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [] 22:20:12 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:38 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 22:32:55 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:33:58 -!- greatzebu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:34:13 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 22:34:15 -!- greatzebu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:34:15 -!- greatzebu_ is now known as greatzebu 22:41:18 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:38 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:43:52 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:43 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]