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05:00:06 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-b1-23-g798cc7a
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06:24:11 <CIA-135> 03galehar * r1176d43caa3c 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files): Reveal mimics at the player's feet (#5101).
06:24:14 <CIA-135> 03galehar * rdbd4153d41f5 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Don't count mimics as exits when processing disconnected zones.
06:24:14 <CIA-135> 03galehar * rdf8490ae6804 10/crawl-ref/source/ (spl-transloc.cc teleport.cc): Allow random blinks and teleport to put the player on mimics.
06:26:08 <CIA-135> 03evilmike 07stone_soup-0.10 * r07f5cc2f3a9b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (describe.cc mutation.cc): Mention the '!' command on description screens in local tiles builds.
06:26:09 <CIA-135> 03evilmike 07stone_soup-0.10 * rdf850e2d2273 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Do not capitalize inventory letters in the description screen.
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06:27:13 <kilobyte> galehar: <3
06:27:40 <absolutego> hi
06:28:05 <absolutego> i'm having problems building from source, which worked well until two or three weks ago
06:28:26 <absolutego> Undefined symbols: "_gethostuuid", referenced from: _proxyTakeConch in libsqlite3.a(sqlite3.o)
06:28:38 <absolutego> new dependency? i haven't changed much system-wise (os x)
06:29:36 <due> rebuild your sqlite?
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06:30:02 <absolutego> first thing i tried, but i can't get to macports
06:30:04 <absolutego> just moved
06:30:14 <absolutego> firewall, maybe
06:30:22 <absolutego> i'll try from source...
06:36:16 <kilobyte> make clean-contrib
06:36:29 <kilobyte> ah, wait, GreatZebu just fixed this
06:36:45 <kilobyte> you need to make sure your contribs are up to date
06:37:06 <kilobyte> (cd ../.. && git submodule update)
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07:20:08 <galehar> I keep having to remove saves/des and regenerate the db or it crashes
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07:21:08 <absolutego> kilobyte: clean-contrib worked, thanks a lot
07:21:16 <absolutego> i'll name the next character after you
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07:26:25 <absolutego> who happens to be a random cefe with a d:1 ring of magical power, i think we have a winner
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07:42:14 <CIA-135> 03galehar * rdc6b9a6c9c6b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (player.cc skills.cc skills.h): When no skill is enabled, call the skill menu. (#5246)
07:42:15 <CIA-135> 03galehar * re7a9cdd4c90b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dungeon.cc main.cc mon-stuff.cc mon-stuff.h): Replace tabs by spaces.
07:42:16 <CIA-135> 03galehar * ra3a0c0c26e60 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Don't update can_train when you are delayed.
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07:54:10 <kilobyte> galehar: uh oh, do you have a way to reproduce your saves/des issue?
07:56:44 <galehar> kilobyte: not really. It just happens very often whether I'm coding or updating the game to latest trunk.
07:56:56 <galehar> probably a windows thing
07:57:21 <galehar> related to the recent sqlite changes
07:57:29 <kilobyte> saves/des or saves/db ?
07:57:59 <galehar> saves/des
07:58:25 <galehar> and it's not sqlite? only saves db is?
07:58:30 <kilobyte> yeah
07:58:55 <kilobyte> saves/des is mapdef.cc, maps.cc and lots of lua
07:59:47 <galehar> unfortunately, crashes under windows are not very verbose
08:02:59 <galehar> hey, now that it's possible to switch between console and tiles with the same save, can't we set up webtiles to play CDO games?
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08:07:09 <kilobyte> it's not only that: you can play both from the same binary, and spectate games both ways
08:07:40 <kilobyte> it'd take a major reorganization of CDO though, so it's planned to be done when 0.10 releases
08:07:59 <galehar> ok, great :)
08:08:29 <galehar> and it looks like 0.10 release is around the corner, right?
08:08:43 <kilobyte> yeah :)
08:16:07 <alefury> oh, hey galehar :)
08:16:10 <alefury> youre slightly back?
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08:26:27 <CIA-135> 03kilobyte * r3eff784ad91a 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Changelog: Pr get quarterstaves as well. Only Ar get noob ones.
08:28:12 <CIA-135> 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.10 * r72a6300b8dc1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (spl-transloc.cc teleport.cc): Allow random blinks and teleport to put the player on mimics.
08:28:12 <CIA-135> 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.10 * r67b1ba065ec4 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Don't count mimics as exits when processing disconnected zones.
08:28:12 <CIA-135> 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.10 * ra2ce0f18356a 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Don't update can_train when you are delayed.
08:28:22 <CIA-135> 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.10 * re8236fe03340 10/crawl-ref/source/ (player.cc skills.cc skills.h): When no skill is enabled, call the skill menu. (#5246)
08:28:23 <galehar> alefury: yeah, we could say that
08:28:24 <CIA-135> 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.10 * r9dbd39e6b619 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files): Reveal mimics at the player's feet (#5101).
08:28:24 <CIA-135> 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.10 * r59e7eb542666 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dungeon.cc main.cc mon-stuff.cc mon-stuff.h): Replace tabs by spaces.
08:28:24 <CIA-135> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r1811e3033f1f 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Changelog: Pr get quarterstaves as well. Only Ar get noob ones.
08:30:06 <alefury> cool!
08:31:46 <alefury> changelog thing: the spell_usage dump option is mentioned, but not the even more awesome action_counts (or whatever it's called)
08:31:58 <alefury> (interface section)
08:35:21 <jeanjacques> i would propose to enable that option by default
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08:42:02 <alefury> so would i, but some devs were against it for reasons i dont get at all
08:42:47 <jeanjacques> its the big brother option. everyones playstyle exposed
08:44:00 <alefury> people can already watch the ttyrec
08:44:28 <alefury> seeing it at a glance just means you can actually use the information
08:47:13 <alefury> another changelog thing: inner flame is mentioned as a new spell, but is also in the 0.9 changelog (highlights and spells section), so it probably didnt get added in 0.10
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08:54:01 <alefury> also i think the approximately 3294214853 new tiles by roctavian (and a few by other people)  could be mentioned in the highlights, as something like "many new or improved dungeon and monster tiles"
08:54:08 <alefury> 0.10 is a good version for tiles :)
08:55:39 <alefury> its too bad the badass tall demon lord tiles wont make it in :(
08:57:19 <galehar> oh really? Why?
08:58:28 <kilobyte> galehar: problems with name tags
08:59:02 <galehar> ah. Well, that's too bad indeed :(
08:59:08 <kilobyte> there's a set of new 32x32 tiles in 0.10 already, so it's not that bad
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09:05:13 <alefury> also the new ds mutations are missing, but those are probably not the only thing
09:12:58 <edlothiol> we could just deactivate the name tags for the hell lords
09:13:14 <edlothiol> it's already done for the lernaean hydra and random pan lords
09:16:35 <galehar> edlothiol: yeah, good point
09:19:09 <kilobyte> edlothiol: beh, that's right what I've been trying to do
09:19:19 <kilobyte> can't seem to start webtiles, though
09:19:35 <kilobyte> pushing the local tile version
09:20:12 <CIA-135> 03kilobyte * r87763dd3da32 10/crawl-ref/source/tilesdl.cc: Hide the name tags for Cerebov and co.
09:20:16 <edlothiol> webtiles doesn't currently have name tags
09:20:23 <CIA-135> 03kilobyte * r7c50dbe09736 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (16 files in 2 dirs): roctavian's tall tiles for Pan and hell lords.
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09:55:48 <galehar> what's the ETA for 0.10? Is CDO running it?
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10:03:13 <kilobyte> there's neither a rush nor any show-stoppers
10:03:59 <kilobyte> so I'd say, anywhere when our 0.10 tourney guy wants it
10:12:37 <edlothiol> I'd like to get it on webtiles before the official release
10:12:44 <edlothiol> Napkin: ping
10:13:37 <elliptic> I was thinking of either Feb 18 - Mar 4 or Feb 25 - Mar 11 as tourney dates, probably preferably the latter (I will have limited time to work on it for the next 2.5 weeks)
10:13:56 <Napkin> mmh`?
10:14:11 <elliptic> so there's no rush as far as I'm concerned
10:15:45 <edlothiol> hi Napkin :) can you install webtiles 0.10 some time in the next weeks? would be good to have it running for a bit before the official release and tournament
10:16:17 <Napkin> yes
10:16:41 <Napkin> how about saturday or sunday?
10:16:57 <edlothiol> that'd be fine
10:20:44 <kilobyte> description for "human" is boring.  What about:
10:20:49 <kilobyte> "An uppity sort of surface-dwelling, hairless ape. Dwarves think of them as fragile, elves think of them as clumsy, and monsters think of them as tasty."
10:21:04 <kilobyte> (from Rusty and Co)
10:26:03 <Napkin> sounds cool
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10:40:35 <alefury> oh. foul stench and ignite blood are in the changelog. but augmentation isnt. i was thrown off by wild magic being in the character section while the new ds mutations were in the species section.
10:45:26 <kilobyte> speaking of documentation: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:manual:rest
10:45:36 <kilobyte> could use a good deal of updates...
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11:45:08 * SamB wishes for a nicer way to wikify the crawl-ref/docs/ subtree of the repository...
11:45:55 <SamB> (A git-aware way, in particular, would be really helpful.)
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11:56:52 <Pingas> What are some cress programming languages commonly used for roguelike development?
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12:12:09 <Ragdoll> i recently noticed glass is still broken
12:14:14 <ZChris13> how?
12:14:57 <Ragdoll> cant target anything in any way behind glass
12:17:21 <ZChris13> Yeah a pity the devteam doesn't seem inclined to fix that bug
12:17:29 <ZChris13> I think they went and called it a feature
12:17:35 <Ragdoll> i wish they just reverted it
12:18:07 <ZChris13> I don't think they will
12:18:53 <Ragdoll> i wish they would
12:19:00 <ZChris13> I wish they would.
12:20:04 <Ragdoll> applying a patch weakly and then not looking back on it in months
12:20:48 <ZChris13> wait do you mean that it's broken?
12:21:01 <ZChris13> that the intended fix hasn't been applied?
12:21:32 <Ragdoll> i mean they changed glass without a reason because of supposed boo-hoo´s, which broke more things than it fixed
12:22:02 <Ragdoll> you cant even tell your allies to look in the general direction of that monster behind the glass
12:22:28 <ZChris13> yeah that pisses me off
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12:50:38 <SamB> oookay ... this is *wierd*:
12:50:57 <SamB> CXX target.o
12:50:57 <SamB> make: *** [target.o] Error 1
12:50:57 <SamB> CXX teleport.o
12:50:57 <SamB> make: *** [teleport.o] Error 1
12:50:57 <SamB> 
12:51:36 <Zannick> what, that there are errors, or that there are two?
12:51:37 <SamB> how come there's no ERROR MESSAGE, GCC?
12:52:04 <SamB> Zannick: that GCC is failing silently
12:52:09 <Zannick> aha
12:52:12 <SamB> (seemingly)
12:52:37 <SamB> I mean, it could theoretically be something besides GCC, based on what I see here
12:55:51 <SamB> hmm, rebuilding with V=1 reminds me that I'm using ccache
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12:56:50 <SamB> which reminds me that I had been really low on disk space
12:58:42 <SamB> which leads me to guess that ccache may not properly handle certain tool failures caused by lack of disk space
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16:10:02 <Cheibriados> Artefact Poisoned Whip of Venom not showing poison label (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5258) by XuaXua
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19:39:43 <HangedMan> the rings of the octopus king aren't in the changelog!
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19:44:23 <CIA-135> 03evilmike * r208379f62ac8 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Update changelog.
19:46:33 <HangedMan> =D
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