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00:11 < Ashenzari> Fedhas Prayer Doesn't Decompose Summoned Ghoul (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5023) by raskol
00:14 < Henzell> demonblade the Firebug (L5 DEFE)  (D:3)
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00:42 !anthony.freenode.net [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
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03:52 < st_> seems like streak tracking on cao website isn't working for .10a0
03:55 < st_> also the logs for trunk games have been missing forever
03:55 <+evilmike> the logs for trunk games on cao?
03:56 <+evilmike> !log .
03:56 < Sequell> 430. evilmike, XL5 DsCK, T:4026: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/evilmike/morgue-evilmike-20111208-080548.txt
03:56 < st_> just cdo
03:57 < st_> no 0.10-a0 games from cdo have logs linked
03:58 < st_> and 0.9 cdo links point to /trunk/ instead of /0.9/
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04:38 <+Napkin> we need official maintainers for all those scripts, bots, statistic pages!
04:38 <+Napkin> moin
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08:02 <+|amethyst> Looking at #5023 (Fedhas Prayer Doesn't Decompose Summoned Ghoul); summoned creatures are currently excluded from fedhas_fungal_bloom... should they instead be decomposed without giving piety?
08:11 <+|amethyst> I guess giving toadstools is arguably enough of a benefit to keep the current behaviour
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08:15 <+kilobyte> you never get piety anyway
08:19 <+|amethyst> but should they be destroyed without piety gain (and maybe without toadstools)?
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08:24 < alefury> why not? summoned monsters are still the real thing, right?
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08:24 <+|amethyst> compiling a test now...  since dolorous went and changed misc.h this will take a while :)
08:25 < alefury> why would fedhas hate imported ghouls any less than local ones? :)
08:25 <+kilobyte> alefury: you can sit around a curse skull for infinite ghouls
08:25 < alefury> how would that help?
08:25 < alefury> if you gain no piety, whats the point?
08:26 <+|amethyst> Infinite toadstools probably aren't great either... I'm preventing toadstool creation, too
08:26 < alefury> arguably it could create summoned toadstools :P
08:26 < alefury> but that would just be silly
08:26 <+|amethyst> haha
08:27 < ZChris13> That is an idea
08:27 <+|amethyst> I don't think the messaging would look right
08:27 <+|amethyst> since you'd get the puff of smoke
08:27 <+|amethyst> presumably the toadstools go wherever summoned monster corpses go
08:30 <+|amethyst> BTW, I was quite annoyed when I first learned that vampiric draining a summoned monster does not give HP
08:30 < alefury> btw, 5024 is from an older version of trunk and probably fixed, but i cant test now
08:30 <+|amethyst> I had this plan for doing Crypt with my DDNe of Kiku by using a box of beasts for HP regen
08:30 < alefury> it makes no sense at all, but allowing hp gain from it would be horrible for gameplay
08:31 <+|amethyst> The blood disappears as soon as it leaves the monster, I guess
08:31 < alefury> summons flavor is extremely inconsistent anyway :(
08:31 <+|amethyst> can summons leave blood stains?
08:31 <+kilobyte> alefury: what's wrong in it?
08:31 <+kilobyte> |amethyst: no, they are not really here... and we're damn consistent with that :p
08:31 < alefury> well, first off, its not conjuration, which means summoning something doesnt crate it from nothing, but gets it from somewhere else, right?
08:32 < alefury> so its a real living monster, with real claws and teeth, real blood, etc
08:32 < alefury> presumably, it would also be still hated by gods that usually hate these creatures, it still has lifeforce to be absorbed by vampiric draining, etc.
08:33 < alefury> it should even still leave a corpse, that disappears (together with any chunks, eaten or not) once the duration runs out
08:35 <+|amethyst> perhaps the summoning is so tightly bound to the creature's lifeforce that anything leaving the creature (blood, a corpse, whatever get drained) immediately vanishes
08:36 <+|amethyst> s/get /gets /
08:36 <+kilobyte> alefury: you're thinking about translocations
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08:36 <+|amethyst> but shadow creatures at least aren't real
08:39 < alefury> kilobyte: so if summons are just magically created out of thin air, why arent they conjurations?
08:40 <+|amethyst> low kinetic energy :)
08:40 < alefury> magic school flavor in general is a huge mess
08:41 <+|amethyst> hm... so fungal blooming a friendly ghoul still says "That felt like a moral victory."  Not sure if this is a problem or not
08:41 <+kilobyte> alefury: because they're really here, just unstable
08:41 < alefury> not that i see any reason to clean it up, but it makes discussing things like whether decomposition should rot summoned ghouls a little weird
08:41 <+kilobyte> |amethyst: how did you get a friendly ghoul as a Fedhasite?  Wizmode created?
08:41 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  wizmode, but wouldn't enslave work?
08:41 <+kilobyte> |amethyst: player_angers_monster() should block that.
08:42 < alefury> a magic dart is also really here, just unstable. it disappears at the end of line of sight.
08:42 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  hm... it doesn't appear to
08:43 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  I just created a ghoul in wizmode then zapped enslavement at it until it eventually got through
08:43 <+kilobyte> oh, looks like it has all the other cases but no Fedhas
08:44 <+kilobyte> good god vs unholy|evil, evil gods vs holy beings, Zin vs transmuters|unclean|chaotics, Trog vs spellcasters
08:44 <+|amethyst> I'll leave the message for now, then
08:44 <+|amethyst> There's no way whatsoever for a summon to leave a corpse, right?
08:45 < alefury> not currently i think. the sticks to snakes stuff was cleaned up a while ago
08:47 <+|amethyst> I guess the reason for not doing fungal bloom on squares with harmful clouds is so that your toadstools don't immediately die?
08:52 < CIA-54> kilobyte * r5a98e765dec1 /crawl-ref/source/main.cc: &^C to force a crash. There are no signals on Windows...
08:52 < CIA-54> kilobyte * r5219bfdbbc3d /crawl-ref/source/ (art-data.txt util/art-data.pl): Remove useless APPEAR artefact settings.
08:53 < CIA-54> kilobyte * r3e2d21cab322 /crawl-ref/source/player-equip.cc: Stop Guardian Spirit from nuking mp on unmeld, fix some artefact effects.
08:53 < CIA-54> kilobyte * rfc983fb1419a /crawl-ref/source/Makefile: Unbreak Windows builds, with hacks to support ancient compilers.
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08:54 < CIA-54> |amethyst * rdcaef8c8c394 /crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc: Allow Fedhas prayer to affect summoned creatures.
08:56 < Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2594-gdcaef8c (32)
08:57 <+|amethyst> two and a half minutes... I definitely need to compile on a faster machine :)
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09:08 <+|amethyst> 5015: Mimic generated under a mushroom    This is intended behaviour, right?
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09:27 < alefury> http://pastebin.com/gZyHTy76
09:27 < alefury> from phyphor
09:28 < alefury> seems like training armour was continued afterwards with no message from what he said in ##crawl
09:29 <+|amethyst> Does anyone see any problems with mursu's patch in 4936 (Fix name_replace in map files to work as documented).  From the message on the commit that introduced the behaviour (45292ff), it looks like it was never intended to affect n_rpl
09:33 <+|amethyst> Though he missed diamond obelisk, crystal guardian, and bats from the bat vault... those would need n_des added
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09:54 <+|amethyst> Some testing indicates that mursu's patch is probably fine, if those monsters I mentioned get n_des
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10:14 < CIA-54> mtvepsal * rf6283622110a /crawl-ref/source/ (mapdef.cc mon-info.cc): Fix name_replace in map files to work as documented.
10:14 < CIA-54> |amethyst * rf0fdbdb994b6 /crawl-ref/source/ (mapdef.cc mon-info.cc): Simplify and reindent.
10:14 < CIA-54> |amethyst * r3fbade312f0e /crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/ (4 files): Give a few vault monsters name_descriptor.
10:15 < jeanjacques> did someone revert the smite-glass changes?
10:16 < jeanjacques> because my daeva can smite through glass if i "tell wait" it
10:17 < alefury> allied monsters can still smite through glass
10:17 <+kilobyte> jeanjacques: what version are you playing?
10:17 < alefury> its on mantis
10:17 < jeanjacques> trunk cdo
10:17 < jeanjacques> just updated
10:18 < alefury> in that very verbose report by ragdoll
10:18 < Ragdoll> shouldve sent a poet
10:18 < alefury> :)
10:21 <+SamB> alefury: and just think
10:21 <+SamB> that was the main thing that wasn't supposed to be able to do that!
10:23 < alefury> indeed
10:24 < alefury> another bug mentioned in ragdoll's report: telling allies to attack something doesnt work through glass
10:24 <+SamB> whoops!
10:24 <+SamB> Ragdoll: usually it's suggested to use one ticket per bug, though
10:25 < Ragdoll> ta doesnt work, but if you tw it generally just starts smiting everything, even things behind glass
10:26 < Ragdoll> samb: i was considering that, but i thought only clouding was supposed to be blocked at first, not that everything is blocked
10:26 < alefury> oh, and draining boxes dont need to be converted to grates, eyes still work through glass (fine imo)
10:26 < alefury> at least i heard they still work through glass
10:27 < Ragdoll> yeah, the eyes still work
10:27 < alefury> same for the zig pillars with eyes of draining, not sure if they were updated
10:28 < jeanjacques> on a new-tso piety feedback note: i think the extra summon time angels/daevas get for kills should be toned down or capped somewhere
10:28 < alefury> and minmay_eyes
10:29 < jeanjacques> they are already ridiculously powerful for the early/mid lair point where you can start regular summoning of them
10:31 <+SamB> eyes working through glass does make sense
10:31 <+SamB> and I dunno how to abuse it ?
10:34 < alefury> well, letting them attack people without allowing retaliation with smite/airstrike is kind of mean
10:34 < alefury> but not really a problem
10:36 <+|amethyst> 4994 (Megabats cannot be polymorphed properly)   the problem is that the name and flags are preserved
10:37 <+|amethyst> I was thinking to remove the name on polymorph if name_species and name_replace are both set... but would it make more sense to do so if name_replace is set, regardless of n_spc?
10:40  * SamB has to go deliver food-stamp-purchased donations to a food cupboard to practice his driving now
10:41 <+|amethyst> I guess probably a soapberry tree should not be polymorphed into an oklob plant named "soapberry tree"... so maybe remove it if name_replace is set at all
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10:42 <+|amethyst> likewise master elementalist
10:58 <+|amethyst> hm... wonder if the tile needs reset too
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11:08 <+|amethyst> yes, the tile does need reset
11:11 < jeanjacques> and another thing: removing tso penance with decaying piety is way too hard
11:17 < alefury> cant you just go find some monsters to remove it?
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11:28 < CIA-54> |amethyst * r37dfcec03a01 /crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Polymorph vault monsters more correctly.
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11:38 < CIA-54> dolorous * ra2c69f694466 /crawl-ref/source/misc.cc: Constify, and consistently validate item positions for corpse drops.
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11:38 < CIA-54> dolorous * r6098d273291d /crawl-ref/source/ (misc.cc misc.h): Make the routine to make butchered corpses bleed into its own function.
11:38 < CIA-54> dolorous * rcff8c1924156 /crawl-ref/source/misc.cc: Make monster butchery without chunks properly produce blood again.
12:04 < CIA-54> |amethyst * r511968cf2d9b /crawl-ref/source/mon-info.cc: Simplify further.
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12:22 < jeanjacques> alefury: even finding around 50 monsters and killing several evil ones it took 1,5k turns
12:23 < jeanjacques> thats just too long for accidently using a venom weapon once.
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12:24 < Ragdoll> shouldve been more careful
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12:26 < alefury> mhh, that sounds pretty long. Is TSO piety gain fine in general?
12:27 < jeanjacques> it is reasonable. if anything it is too fast early on considering the strength of A summons.
12:28 < jeanjacques> !lm . trmo type=god.maxpiety
12:28 < Sequell> 1. [2011-11-17] JulesVerne the Basher (L12 TrMo) became the Champion of The Shining One on turn 5444. (Lair:7)
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12:30 <+|amethyst> !lm * type=god.maxpiety s=noun x=min(turns)
12:30 < Sequell> 7331 milestones for * (type=god.maxpiety): 63x Fedhas [11770], 619x Kikubaaqudgha [11335], 113x Yredelemnul [10626], 78x Elyvilon [9411], 212x Ashenzari [9065], 41x Jiyva [8993], 108x Beogh [8198], 1108x Vehumet [8181], 1024x Okawaru [7764], 46x Zin [7341], 216x Nemelex Xobeh [7155], 1501x Sif Muna [7087], 252x Cheibriados [6604], 580x Makhleb [6383], 251x The Shining One [5444], 166x Lugonu [4196...
12:31 <+|amethyst> and  953x Trog [3956]  fell off then end
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13:24 < CIA-54> |amethyst * r18444e85adfd /crawl-ref/source/ (dat/lua/autofight.lua l_item.cc): Add item.is_melded to clua, check it in autofight.
13:43 <+Napkin> hey |amethyst?
13:43 <+Napkin> what's your player name on CDO?
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14:15 <+SamB> jeanjacques: maybe what we need is more safeguards?
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14:18 < jeanjacques> i would rather say the current penance bahaviour serves not much purpose for tso and could be changed to the way ely is handled, bigger piety hits instead of penance.
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14:20 < jeanjacques> the only things i could think of where one could want to do something tso dislikes on purpose: early on using a wand of draining. later casting regeneration in bad spots.
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14:31 <+SamB> so do we need three levels of dislike now?
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14:44 < alefury> we already have three
14:44 < alefury> dont forget excommunication
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15:39 < HughBorg> Is the lua source code documented?
15:40 <+SamB> HughBorg: about as well as the C++ code
15:40 <+SamB> which is to say, not very much, no
15:40 < HughBorg> Ahaha
15:40 < HughBorg> Well worth asking
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16:07 < Gretell> ihlosi (L27 HuEn) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 906 failed. (Zot:2)
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17:02 <+|amethyst> !tell Napkin I'm "neil" on CDO
17:02 < Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let Napkin know.
17:03 <+|amethyst> !lm ihlosi crash -log
17:03 < Sequell> 2. ihlosi, XL27 HuEn, T:156877 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/ihlosi/crash-ihlosi-20111208-210727.txt
17:04 <+|amethyst> !lm ihlosi crash x=cv
17:04 < Sequell> 2. [2011-12-08] [cv=0.9] ihlosi the Archmage (L27 HuEn) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 906 failed on turn 156877. (Zot:2)
17:04 <+Napkin> oh.. and what's your account in the mantis?
17:04 <+|amethyst> Napkin: neilmoore
17:05 < Henzell> Napkin: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
17:05 <+|amethyst> That crashlog was linked incorrectly (trunk vs 0.9)
17:05 <+Napkin> !messages delete
17:05 < Henzell> (1/1) |amethyst said (2m 40s ago): I'm "neil" on CDO
17:05 <+Napkin> ..
17:07 <+Napkin> ok then, wiz-mode enabled
17:10 <+|amethyst> it works, thanks
17:10 <+|amethyst> Now I just need to remember not to do that in a real game :)
17:15 <+|amethyst> hm, I guess ihlosi's crash could be the long-standing crash-on-resize issue
17:16 < CIA-54> edlothiol * re54b52516459 /crawl-ref/source/webserver/game_data/static/ (dungeon_renderer.js minimap.js): Fix a display bug with scaled-down cells in Webtiles.
17:16 < CIA-54> edlothiol * r5500a343a383 /crawl-ref/source/ (tileweb.cc tileweb.h): A bunch of helper functions for writing JSON for Webtiles.
17:16 < CIA-54> edlothiol * r15055ff1e639 /crawl-ref/source/ (17 files in 4 dirs): Implement dedicated Menu support for Webtiles.
17:16 < CIA-54> edlothiol * r81ea3dd754de /crawl-ref/source/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Allow other CRT dialogs to be displayed like a menu in Webtiles.
17:16 < CIA-54> edlothiol * rb55d505fbce8 /crawl-ref/source/webserver/game_data/static/ (menu.js style.css): Mouse support for Webtiles menus.
17:16 < CIA-54> edlothiol * rc3c797470937 /crawl-ref/source/webserver/game_data/static/menu.js: Work around the flickering when switching between inventory and item desc in Webtiles.
17:17 < CIA-54> edlothiol * rcf6ed6e575d3 /crawl-ref/source/ (command.cc describe.cc describe.h): Refactor control flow of ?/M and describe_monsters to make it work better under Webtiles.
17:17 < CIA-54> edlothiol * rf00d455287fe /crawl-ref/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add a JSON parser for Webtiles.
17:17 < CIA-54> edlothiol * rc12c29db0306 /crawl-ref/source/ (tileweb.cc tileweb.h): Don't waste CPU time sending messages in Webtiles-enabled executables if no server is connected to the crawl process.
17:17 < CIA-54> edlothiol * r90cb4c8ac298 /crawl-ref/source/ (fineff.cc melee_attack.cc religion.cc): Enable flash_monster_colour calls in Webtiles.
17:17 < CIA-54> edlothiol * rf11a80807d48 /crawl-ref/source/ (menu.cc menu.h tileweb.cc webserver/game_data/static/menu.js): Webtiles: Send the current menu scroll position to the server and to spectators.
17:17 < CIA-54> edlothiol * r68ddb5179759 /crawl-ref/source/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Webtiles: Tiles in menus.
17:17 < CIA-54> edlothiol * rf9695c3e32d2 /crawl-ref/source/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Webtiles: Load large menus lazily.
17:17 < CIA-54> edlothiol * r23923b05e8fd /crawl-ref/source/webserver/game_data/static/menu.js: Clean up menu.js.
17:17 < CIA-54> edlothiol * ra373054b20f9 /crawl-ref/source/webserver/game_data/static/ (menu.js style.css): Webtiles: Handle ^F in menus.
17:17 < CIA-54> edlothiol * r46a80e90d897 /crawl-ref/source/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Webtiles: Clean up the layout code, improve menu layout a bit.
17:17 < ZChris13> Nice commit spam
17:17 < ZChris13> I like
17:17 <+edlothiol> ...sorry ;)
17:17 < CIA-54> edlothiol * r64f671a119a0 /crawl-ref/source/tiles.h: Fix console compilation.
17:17 < ZChris13> Very nice!
17:18 < Zannick> there are prizes if you make freenode ratelimit the CIA bot ;)
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17:48 <+|amethyst> so in wizmode I placed a vault locally and got some monsters embedded in walls... could that be related to the abyss problems?
17:49 < alefury> there are abyss problems?
17:49 < alefury> band monsters sometimes get placed in walls, but thats not abyss specific
17:49 <+MarvinPA> it seems to occasionally complain about items placed in walls when you enter the abyss, yeah
17:49 <+|amethyst> #4924 "Item buggily placed in the Abyss (happens right after entering the Abyss)"
17:52 < Ragdoll> mentioning that bug, item buggily placed is also caused in lair with the spriggan druid vault
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18:01 <+|amethyst> hm... I can't seem to get the spriggan druid vault
18:03 <+|amethyst> yeah, I've gotten every other vault at least three times, but not that one
18:13 <+|amethyst> even if I give it weight:9999
18:14 <+SamB> |amethyst: rebuild with debug spew and try again ?
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18:16 <+SamB> with the weight set high, obviously
18:16 < alefury> hm, i definitely saw that vault at some point
18:21 <+|amethyst> Most of the non-top-tier two-handers were buffed
18:21 <+|amethyst> doh
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18:32 < CIA-54> SamB * r8eb8eebf99ac /crawl-ref/source/crawl-gdb.py: Rejigger whitespace.
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18:56 <+|amethyst> okay, I think I found the problem... traps are being placed in the forest, disconnecting the level
19:03 <+|amethyst> setting it no_trap_gen works... setting the cloud trap vaults to be transparent does not appear to work
19:03 <+|amethyst> even with them being transparent I still get   Dungeon has 4 zones after placing cloud_trap_poisonous.
19:03 <+|amethyst> hm... actually, let me try with a fresh game
19:09 <+|amethyst> hm.. it's still being vetoed quite often
19:09 < Wop> anyone want to see a weird bug
19:09 <+|amethyst> "Dungeon has 7 zones after placing cloud_trap_noxious."   how is that even possible?
19:10 <+|amethyst> I would think that making a single square unpassable would result in at most 4 zones
19:11 <+|amethyst> I guess maybe it had a few more zones beforehand
19:14 < Gretell> magistern (L21 MiAM) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 445 failed. (Shoals:1)
19:15 <+|amethyst> !lm magistern crash -log
19:15 < Sequell> 7. magistern, XL21 MiAM, T:52811 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/magistern/crash-magistern-20111209-001357.txt
19:16 <+|amethyst> !tell Cryp71c A new UCC crash, this one probably related to krakens and tentacles: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/magistern/crash-magistern-20111209-001357.txt
19:16 < Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let Cryp71c know.
19:17 <+|amethyst> Wop:  sure
19:20 < CIA-54> SamB * r9fadd22cbfec /crawl-ref/source/items.cc: Give better message when trying to drop cursed, wielded weapon.
19:23 <+|amethyst> hm... even without traps it's being separated quite frequently:  Dungeon has 2 zones after placing portal_ice_cave_entry_pillars_03. VETO: Lair:8: Isolated areas with no stairs.
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19:33 < Wop> |amethyst oops i forgot. Basically it was giving me the "you start resting" message but never actually started resting
19:34 < Wop> and no message about anything interrupting my resting
19:34 < Wop> there was a submerged fish in view, other than that nothing interesting going on
19:34 <+|amethyst> hm
19:35 <+|amethyst> no clue about that... I haven't put in the effort to understand the delay code yet :(
19:36 <+|amethyst> re the enchanted forest, I think it's not the forest itself being disconnected.  Rather, because it has a ragged edge, I think small areas of floor are being "trapped" near the edge
19:37 <+|amethyst> if I replace all the blank areas with floor, it generally works on the first attempt
19:38 <+SamB> Wop: I hate that shit
19:39 <+SamB> |amethyst: yeah, I wish the dungeon maker would just destroy some areas if they get dead-ended or isolated that way ...
19:39 <+SamB> they can look awfully dumb looking
19:39 <+SamB> superfluous redundancy there, eh?
19:40 < Wop> i think a lot of weird dungeon layouts could be fixed it people put non-blocking padding around their vaults
19:40 <+|amethyst> so what would be the best fix?  put a rim of floor around it?
19:41 < Wop> like that one sif vault with the long blue hallway. It creates so many dead ends... if it was bordered with navigable terrain it would not create any dead ends
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19:55 <+|amethyst> it's kind of weird, though: I could almost never get the enchanted forest even by doing repeated ~^R, but someone died to it in 0.10 just a few days ago
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20:02 < CIA-54> |amethyst * rc3291bf566cc /crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des: Add a passable rim around the enchanted forest.
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20:34 < DrPraetor> Could Octopodes always start with bucklers?
20:35 <+MarvinPA> no
20:35 <+MarvinPA> :P
20:35 <+MarvinPA> (why on earth would they?)
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20:40 <+SamB> could octopodes always start with 8 cursed rings?
20:40 < DrPraetor> To substitute for the robes they don't get because they can't wear them?
20:41 < Eronarn> how does that even make sense as a rationale
20:41 <+MarvinPA> what would be the point of that?
20:41 <+MarvinPA> felids don't get innate bolts of fire and cold and healing because they can't use wands :P
20:42 <+|amethyst> Felids can't play the class that starts with wands
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20:42 <+|amethyst> but shields and body armour are entirely different kinds of things... draconians don't get free shields either
20:42 < DrPraetor> Draconians can wear robes.
20:42 <+MarvinPA> right, that is another place where the logic is flawed
20:43 <+|amethyst> DrPraetor:  not in trunk they can't
20:43 <+MarvinPA> i just meant that it's an intentional downside of the race
20:43 <+|amethyst> If anything (and I don't think it's necessary), octopodes should start with a cap
20:43 <+elliptic> giving octopodes a cap has been discussed and rejected as unnecessary, yeah
20:43 < DrPraetor> Well, Octopode Wizards still get the wizards hat, yeah?  But "intentional disadvantage" and "bloodily ripped limb-from-limb by a rat" are not quite the same thing.
20:44 < Eronarn> don't they still have the +1 AC mut i gave them
20:44 <+elliptic> yes
20:44 < Eronarn> and the amazing stealth
20:44 <+MarvinPA> probably you are doing something wrong if you're getting ripped limb from limb by rats, yes
20:44 <+MarvinPA> they are also planned to get constriction
20:44 < DrPraetor> MarvinPA: Well, that was an extreme case, since I failed to cast stone blast three times running.
20:45 <+MarvinPA> which i imagine will help a ton early on, it's looking fairly good
20:45 < Eronarn> MarvinPA: also lots of early monsters are tiny
20:45 <+|amethyst> DrPraetor:  a buckler would only have made that problem worse, you know :)
20:45 <+|amethyst> unless you managed to get Shields 1 before your first rat
20:46 < DrPraetor> Constriction should help, yeah.  Do you get the constrict with your tentacle secondary attack?
20:46 < Henzell> AlphaQ the Farming Meteorologist (L27 DsAE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1405 failed on turn 206062. (Pan)
20:46 <+|amethyst> !lm AlphaQ crash x=cv
20:46 < Sequell> 33. [2011-12-09] [cv=0.10-a] AlphaQ the Farming Meteorologist (L27 DsAE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1405 failed on turn 206062. (Pan)
20:46 <+|amethyst> !lm AlphaQ crash -log
20:46 < Sequell> 33. AlphaQ, XL27 DsAE, T:206062 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/AlphaQ/crash-AlphaQ-20111209-014617.txt
20:46 <+MarvinPA> i don't know exactly how it's implemented at the moment, but i believe so
20:47 < DrPraetor> Actually, I think Octopodes should get a second shield slot, and/or the ability to wield a shield along with a 2H weapon (since they have the extra manipulative limbs).
20:47 < Eronarn> no
20:48 <+|amethyst> that's the second time I've seen a log which Sequell reported 1 second off from the server... the log is actually at crash-AlphaQ-20111209-014616.txt
20:48  * SamB didn't think rats had the limbspan to tear any of our races limb from limb
20:48 < Eronarn> (though for at least a while octos still got tentacle offhands when wielding 2H weapons, unlike how punches lose them, if that hasn't been changed)
20:48 <+|amethyst> (that crash is a passive freeze crash, which should be fixed when CAO updates)
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20:50 <+|amethyst> makes sense, since a "kick" is a tentacle-slap, too
20:50 <+|amethyst> or they could use just one of the four wielding tentacles
20:50 <+elliptic> eronarn: that's still true, yes
20:51 < Eronarn> |amethyst: yeah it's really better to think of it like they get a bunch more chances to kick; they still need to use two tentacles to hold anything reasonably
20:53 <+SamB> Eronarn: they should
20:53 <+SamB> they have 8 tentacles, I think they can use two non-spiked ones to wield a weapon!
20:54 <+SamB> they could use *6*, have one for a shield, and *still* have the spiked one left
20:55 < HangedMan> I thought the reason they didn't just slap everything constantly was because they needed the six other tentacles available to regularly move at a given moment
20:56 <+|amethyst> IIRC it's four to walk, two for a weapon, two for a shield, and (I guess) four for a 2H weapon
20:56 < Eronarn> HangedMan: officially, they only 'need' four arms to move, but they probably occasionally use their other arms as support or such
20:56 < HangedMan> mmm
20:57 < Eronarn> |amethyst: two for a 2H, that's why they get the bonus (the two tentacles is about dexterity, not strength)
20:57 <+MarvinPA> the current implementation of constriction lets them constrict up to 8 things if they're not wielding a weapon, heh
20:57 < Eronarn> no 2H+shield is because balance :)
20:57 <+|amethyst> Eronarn:  then shouldn't they be able to use a 2H with a shield
20:57 <+|amethyst> aha
20:57 <+MarvinPA> i love the mental image of that
20:57 < Eronarn> alternately: think of it as needing 3 tentacles for a two handed weapon
20:58 <+|amethyst> do they get the same offhand chance with a 1H and a shield as a 2H?
20:58 <+|amethyst> if so, you'd also need to say they need only one tentacle for a shield
20:58 < Eronarn> shields block offhand punches totally, right
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20:59 <+|amethyst> oh, then that makes perfect sense... three tentacles for a 2H weapon
20:59 <+SamB> MarvinPA: if they're constricting 8 things, I guess they should be bereft of locomotion
20:59 < Eronarn> heh
20:59 <+|amethyst> they still get "kick" tentacle-slaps with a shield, right?
21:00 < Eronarn> yes, and the aux (separate from the offhand punch)
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21:01 < Eronarn> probably they should get an explicit number of 'free tentacles', and this increases how good you are at constriction
21:01 <+|amethyst> so can I wield a 2H and a shield, and get tentacle slaps, if I'm willing to forgo walking?
21:01 < Eronarn> |amethyst: only if you're a psychic octopus, so you can float above the ground
21:02 <+|amethyst> levitation/fly :)
21:03 < HangedMan> well, there is apparently some element of mobility involved in flight
21:03 < HangedMan> otherwise spriggans and centaurs and felids shouldn't still be faster when flyer
21:03 < HangedMan> flying
21:03 <+|amethyst> levitation/flight + blink to move
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21:03 < HangedMan> what are you, a statue
21:03 <+|amethyst> heh
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21:08 < Eronarn> ??blinkrobin
21:08 < Henzell> blinkrobin[1/2]: blinkrobin: You cannot move.
21:12 < CIA-54> |amethyst * ra47b0b31b3fe /crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Add reaching description to polearms (moxian)
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21:31 < DrPraetor> Well, that was exceptionally stupid :(
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21:40 < Henzell> AlphaQ the Farming Meteorologist (L27 DsAE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1405 failed on turn 206701. (Pan)
21:42 < CIA-54>  * rf78f30fb1bb3 /crawl-ref/source/l_you.cc: Lua script engine extension: you.shrouded
21:42 < CIA-54>  * r9eb99e4c5c31 /crawl-ref/source/l_you.cc: Lua script engine extension: you.swift
21:42 < CIA-54>  * r818095651e02 /crawl-ref/source/l_option.cc: Lua script engine extension: options.autopick_on
21:42 < HangedMan> no name?
21:43 <+|amethyst> Kek <tuk kek at gmail com>
21:43 < HangedMan> mm
21:43 <+|amethyst> I didn't fix that up, and the CIA hook explicitly looks for an @ sign
21:43 < HangedMan> weird, but understandable
21:44 <+|amethyst> maybe should have applied the patches manually rather than using git am, but I didn't want to trample the metadata
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21:48 <+SamB> |amethyst: I think you did right
21:48 <+SamB> the script is just kind of dumb
21:51 < Henzell> AlphaQ the Farming Meteorologist (L27 DsAE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1405 failed on turn 206782. (Pan)
21:51 <+SamB> what is with that damn assert
21:54 <+SamB> !help lg
21:54 < Sequell> !lg: Lists games matching specified conditions. By default it lists the most recent game played by the invoker. Usage: !listgame (<player>) (<gamenumber>) (options) where options are in the form field=value, or (max|min)=field. See ??listgame or http://is.gd/sequell_lg for more info.
21:54 <+|amethyst> probably the same as AlphaQ's last crash
21:54 <+|amethyst> !lm AlphaQ crash -log
21:54 < Sequell> 35. AlphaQ, XL27 DsAE, T:206782 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/AlphaQ/crash-AlphaQ-20111209-025107.txt
21:55 <+|amethyst> yeah, passive freeze crash again
21:55 <+|amethyst> It's fixed in trunk, but CAO is one commit behind the fix :)
21:55 <+SamB> oh
21:55  * SamB is just annoyed seeing the same crash so often for such a seemingly long time ...
21:56 <+|amethyst> there was another earlier today that was a new crash
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21:56 <+SamB> yes, well, I didn't see that one
21:56 <+|amethyst> http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/magistern/crash-magistern-20111209-001357.txt   Related to krakens and tentacles; I already !told Cryp71c
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22:42 < Henzell> AlphaQ the Farming Meteorologist (L27 DsAE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1405 failed on turn 206678. (Pan)
22:43 <+kilobyte> |amethyst: isn't the problem with minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest in T symbols turning to . on the border?
22:43 <+kilobyte> |amethyst: except for them, everything is connected
22:43 <+|amethyst> you know, that could be it
22:44 <+|amethyst> or, at least, most of the time
22:44 <+|amethyst> it would still be possible to get a disconnected square if one of the rough-shaped lair pillars is adjacent to the forest edge
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22:45 <+|amethyst> let me see how frequently it gets vetoed if I just change the outer Ts to t
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22:50 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  no, that doesn't appear to fix it :(
22:50 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  it was still vetoed at least six times in a row
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23:04 < bmh> I know we have a policy of making the stuff we have work before we add new stuff... but could we get a Jaekelopterus?
23:05 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  what I don't understand is why the catoblepas cave doesn't have the same issue
23:05 < bmh> Jaekelopterus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaekelopterus_rhenaniae
23:08 <+SamB> we don't need walrus/octopus hybrids that alternate between good and evil because of some stupid potionm
23:09 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  hmm... is there something that fixes up disconnected bubbles surrounded by walls?
23:09 < bmh> SamB: stupid potion?
23:10 < monqy> joke by jaekel?
23:12 < bmh> so why not? An aquatic grappler with reaching?
23:12 <+|amethyst> hmm... dgn_count_disconnected_zones() can take a fill feature but AFAICT never actually does
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23:26 < DrPraetor> I'm getting a lot of lag is that because someone else is watching me play?  Is there any way to know?
23:26 <+SamB> maybe the CPU is just overworked ?
23:26 < bmh> DrPraetor: doubtful.
23:27 <+SamB> being watched shouldn't slow the game down
23:27 < Wensley> DrPraetor: you can know if you are being watched by attempting to watch yourself
23:27 < Wensley> and checking out the "Watchers" column
23:28 <+kilobyte> |amethyst: not sure really, it's mostly Zaba's playground, not mine
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23:32 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  I'm going to try disabling (some of) the connectivity checks to see exactly what's happening... it's strange that enchanted forest is vetoed almost every time but the catoblepas cave is not
23:33 <+kilobyte> I suspect it may be treating trees differently
23:34 <+|amethyst> that was my thought, too
23:34 < Henzell> AlphaQ the Farming Meteorologist (L27 DsAE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1405 failed on turn 213737. (Pan)
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23:37 < bmh> can we change the obsidian axe to *not* aggro on plants and fungi?
23:37 < Henzell> AlphaQ the Farming Meteorologist (L27 DsAE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1405 failed on turn 213920. (Pan)
23:37 <+|amethyst> rename it to "axe of the mad lumberjack"
23:38 < bmh> |amethyst: I hate you :)
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23:40 < bmh> seriously, though. I'm cool with the thematic effect, but it's just so darn annoying
23:45 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  okay, the problem is definitely with lair pillars generating next to the forest: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/lair8.txt  (disconnected floor marked with "X")
23:45 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  trying with the catoblepas cave now
23:46 <+|amethyst> (this is the old version but with the Ts along the edge replaced with t)
23:51 <+|amethyst> hmm... the catoblepas cave gets surrounded by rock... if I change some of the outside rock cells to trees, then those are often surrounded by floor instead
23:53 < bmh> |amethyst: what are the ™'s in that dump?
23:54 <+|amethyst> probably trees... they look like clubs here.  It's UTF-8
23:55 < bmh> |amethyst: that explains it :)
23:55 <+|amethyst> there, replaced with 7
23:55 < bmh> What's in there apart from the catoblepas?
23:55 <+|amethyst> that one is the enchanted forest
23:56 <+|amethyst> no catoblepas, but wolves, bears, spriggans, a spriggan druid, and a spriggan rider
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23:58 < bmh> The catoblepas isn't particularly dangerous. Could we make him scarier?
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