00:08:37 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:45 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:56 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 00:09:26 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:32 friggin dammit 00:09:37 oops 00:09:42 sorry 00:10:29 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:38 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 00:14:07 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:20:08 ooh, pile of gold mimic! 00:22:15 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:46 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:03 slashem has crawling piles of coins 00:41:18 ??wand of cold 00:41:19 wand of cold[1/1]: Shoots a {bolt of cold}, which serves all of the same purposes, such as killing metroids. 00:41:30 yay metroids 00:41:32 ??metroids 00:41:32 I don't have a page labeled metroids in my learndb. 00:41:42 @??metroid 00:41:42 unknown monster: "metroid" 00:41:50 still need to sneak that in somehow... 00:42:30 -!- Guest32593 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:45 -!- Guest32593 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:00 * SamB wonders why Guest32593 doesn't have a name ... 00:43:58 !learndb add metroids Like jellyfish, but they fly through the air and have life draining attacks which also magically contaminate you. Really, more like vampire mosquitos only with tons of hit points. 00:44:15 !learn add metroids Like jellyfish, but they fly through the air and have life draining attacks which also magically contaminate you. Really, more like vampire mosquitos only with tons of hit points. 00:44:15 metroids[1/1]: Like jellyfish, but they fly through the air and have life draining attacks which also magically contaminate you. Really, more like vampire mosquitos only with tons of hit points. 00:45:06 .learn add metroids Vulnerable to Ice and Rockets. 00:45:17 !learn edit metroids s/$/ Endemic in the abyssal stair, otherwise found only in a few Lugonu themed vaults. 00:45:17 metroids[1/1]: Like jellyfish, but they fly through the air and have life draining attacks which also magically contaminate you. Really, more like vampire mosquitos only with tons of hit points. Endemic in the abyssal stair, otherwise found only in a few Lugonu themed vaults. 00:45:27 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:10 !learn add metroids Vulnerable to cold, and have a special vulnerability to explosions (missiles with the brand, LRD, and so forth.) 00:46:10 metroids[2/2]: Vulnerable to cold, and have a special vulnerability to explosions (missiles with the brand, LRD, and so forth.) 00:46:39 ... but ... do they even have any bones ? 00:46:54 You don't cast LRD *on them*, you cast LRD *next to* them. 00:46:59 ah 00:47:14 because they sure don't look like they have any bones 00:47:19 (do they have a tile?) 00:47:29 !learn edit metroids[2] s/LRD/being next to an LRD 00:47:29 metroids[2/2]: Vulnerable to cold, and have a special vulnerability to explosions (missiles with the brand, being next to an LRD, and so forth.) 00:47:44 Just turn the jellyfish tile pink. 00:47:59 we need flumphs 00:52:14 What letter would an octopoid monster *be*? A j, since it's a mollusc? 00:52:39 what letter is MONS_OCTOPODE? 00:58:47 !tell evilmike evilmike_abyss_exit_plants says "TODO: Tiles!" 00:58:47 SamB: OK, I'll let evilmike know. 01:00:38 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 01:00:52 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 01:01:14 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 01:03:36 looks like we ought to have a better way to do this: 01:03:40 MARKER: + = lua:props_marker { \ 01:03:40 door_open_prompt="This door is covered in dire warnings. " .. \ 01:03:40 "Open it anyway?", \ 01:03:40 door_description_prefix="warning-scrawled " \ 01:03:40 } 01:18:14 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:24 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 01:56:40 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:47 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:07:42 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 02:28:12 hooray rsi 02:28:20 SamB: yes 02:28:58 SamB: create a new module called door and have a door.warning_scrawled function that reeturns that marker 02:29:12 what's so great about repetetive stress injuries? 02:29:20 Nothing. 02:29:29 I'm just trying to type with one hand onnly. 02:29:46 !tell SamB create a new module called door and have a door.warning_scrawled function that reeturns that marker 02:29:46 SamB: OK, I'll let SamB know. 02:29:52 Anyway, thatr means MRKER: lua:doors.warned() 02:29:56 or whatever 02:30:02 heck of a lot less space 02:30:15 You could even make it take arguments 02:30:49 so doors.warned({door_description_prefix="fancy warning-scrawled"}) and thenit uses that ot update its defaults, etc 02:31:37 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:45:17 -!- xenene has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]] 02:48:14 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:58:49 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 02:59:45 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:31 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:55 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:20:14 -!- st__ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:19 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:26:15 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:16 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:35 http://blog.tametick.com/2011/11/prediction-for-new-year.html "next year Angband and Nethack will become obsolete - there will be no reason to not play ToME4 or DCSS instead" 03:29:05 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:32:09 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:49:05 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:19 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:00:59 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:07:15 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 04:37:04 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:35 !tell dpeg it looks like we have all of 2.7 vaults except for one: http://sprunge.us/cNHc -- this one might take some beating to be reasonable, but still, let's be complete :p 04:45:35 kilobyte: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 04:46:59 there's a "Mollusc Lord" as well -- a fifth Pan lord Linley Henzell couldn't get to work right 04:47:01 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:47:26 both him and his map look fitting as an easy Lair:8 ending though 04:47:59 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:36 ortoslon: has there ever been a reason not to play them? okay, i can think of 2 for tome4: no terminal version and angband ancestry (without ever playing it and thus not knowing if it's true at all, but who said something about sensible reasons?) 05:07:09 bhaak: can't comment really, i've played nethack and angband for maybe two hours total :) 05:07:25 considering the length of an angband game... 05:07:59 yeah, kilobyte is right. just take your experience with angband and multiply it with 300 05:09:28 also, save scumming. If a game takes months and some monsters can insta-kill you, no wonders people will resort to that. 05:11:29 -!- ainsophy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:11:33 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:16:00 deformed body mutation on a draconian (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4901) by ortoslon 05:16:41 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 05:18:29 hah, 2.70 sling titles: 05:18:29 {"Slings", "Slinger", "Bombardier", "Crazy Person", "Really Crazy Person"}, // slings - who would bother? 05:20:43 modern version - "Forgot to Turn Off Slings Training" 05:25:56 somehow, half of Ashenzarites would reskill to this just before ascending :p 05:26:13 no bonus for using a sling when fighting giants? oh, i forgot i'm not in #nethack ;-) 05:27:45 moin 05:27:45 Zaba: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:27:45 !messages 05:27:45 (1/1) due said (6h 42m 15s ago): thank you for the spectral things minitomb, they are not rc++ 05:27:48 heh 05:28:11 no problem, I guess 05:28:43 beh, 2.72 (supposed to be ported to Linux) is a bitch to compile. When ran, there's terrible display corruption, this might be fixed. But then, no autoexplore. Sorry, can't play :( 05:29:47 kilobyte, 2.72 of what? 05:30:14 pre-DCSS Crawl 05:30:19 * Zaba is missing context 05:30:19 oh 05:30:40 the oldest extant versions are 1.1, 2.70 and 2.72 05:30:45 I see 05:30:56 a few others have DOS binaries only 05:33:42 case 253: // Okawaru 05:33:42 strcpy(descpr, "A violent and wrathful demon, Okawaru appears as a giant human covered in shining golden armour and wielding a huge twisted sword. "); 05:33:45 break; 05:34:18 (in Cerebov's Pan lev, with Cerebov's sword) 05:34:51 epic 05:35:18 heh... he is NAMED Cerebov, it's just the description and comments in the code 05:40:26 is there code somewhere that places a powerful ring of slaying on D:7 if the player picked a pure caster combo? because i have this in a second game in a row 05:40:42 Haha oka <3 05:41:05 kilobyte: is that thin you message to dpeg the Mollusc lord map? 05:41:57 no, that's just a random boring map 05:42:14 ahh 05:42:17 the oklob hedge and stream might be randomized and reused 05:42:20 can you sprunge the mollusc lord map? 05:42:34 Farm and country sounds fmailiar. 05:44:23 does the term "oklob" come from somewhere 05:45:31 I'm not sure actuall 05:48:28 hrm, Gitorious doesn't allow linking to commits which are not at the head of a branch (or I didn't find how) 05:48:31 http://sprunge.us/gedC 05:48:55 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 05:49:00 this is the 2.72 version, newer ones have some modifications -- mostly to the monster set, but it's never enabled 05:52:07 @??death yak 05:52:08 death yak (08Y) | Speed: 10 | HD: 14 | Health: 58-102 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Damage: 30 | Res: 06magic(93) | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 1057. 05:53:42 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:54 the Mollusc Lord (U) | Speed: 10 | HD: 19 | Health: 100 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Damage: 30 | Res: magic(57),poison | Chunks: no corpse | XP: ? 05:54:45 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 05:56:23 Vul: holy 06:04:13 that's interesting 06:07:51 That's not very powerful. 06:07:59 when whas it supposed to place? 06:09:39 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:54 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:57 -!- cosh has joined ##crawl-dev 06:11:50 hey 06:12:05 is there an "easy way" to setup a 0.10-webtiles on my own server? :) 06:14:21 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 06:16:46 try asking Napkin, he might know. 06:16:54 edlothiol might also know, but hes not here right now 06:17:04 hi cosh 06:17:18 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:17:31 unfortunately it's not easy yet 06:18:26 you can run it without authentication (dgl_mode = false) 06:18:53 definitely, whatever you try, use the code from trunk 06:19:02 much more modern than the webtiles code in 0.9 06:20:46 due: a Pan level like the other four lords 06:21:09 cosh: you do need a patched version of python-tornado 06:21:20 yea 06:21:22 that's what i need 06:21:25 where do i get that? :D 06:28:26 @??cerebov 06:28:27 Cerebov (05&) | Speed: 10 | HD: 21 | Health: 650 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Damage: 60 | Flags: 05demonic, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 05hellfire, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: fire storm (8d16), iron shot (3d36), haste, greater demon. 06:30:13 cosh: can't seem to find edlothiol's repository 06:30:15 we'd have to wait for him to awaken, I guess 06:30:31 mpf ok :) 06:30:40 thank you 06:31:41 due: a weak pan lord with no spells would be boring, but with his entourage of snails and slugs, he could use Cheibriados-themed abilities 06:31:51 ah 06:31:54 * due nod 06:31:56 sleeep, night 06:32:07 and sit on a Lair ending with present strength, or elsewhere 06:32:09 bye! 06:43:56 -!- syllogism has quit [] 06:53:51 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:40 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:23 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:33 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:24 cosh: still here? 07:36:43 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:10 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:41:57 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:16 Prono the Eclecticist (L18 VpSu) ASSERT(feat < NUM_FEATURES) in 'feature.cc' at line 24 failed on turn 88100. (Abyss) 07:48:25 Prono the Eclecticist (L18 VpSu) ASSERT(feat < NUM_FEATURES) in 'feature.cc' at line 24 failed on turn 88100. (Abyss) 07:49:54 Prono the Eclecticist (L18 VpSu) ASSERT(feat < NUM_FEATURES) in 'feature.cc' at line 24 failed on turn 88100. (Abyss) 07:50:35 -!- ainsophy_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:51:27 -!- DrPraetor has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:13 ok i found a patched tornado web server to use on my webserver 08:02:23 but starting crawl with -webtiles-socket gives me a segfault 08:02:25 is trunk currently broken? 08:02:57 (webtiles that is) 08:03:34 the server should take care of that 08:03:56 (you don't need to start crawl manually) 08:04:24 the patched tornado is at https://github.com/flodiebold/tornado, although the normal (newest) tornado should work too if you set http_connection_timeout = None 08:04:37 yea i did that 08:05:27 2011-11-15 14:55:25,942 WARN: User database didn't exist; creating it now. 08:05:28 2011-11-15 14:55:26,099 INFO: Webtiles server started! 08:05:28 2011-11-15 14:55:48,338 INFO: #0 Socket opened from ip 192.168.0.22 (fd16). 08:05:28 2011-11-15 14:55:48,361 INFO: #0 Starting crawl. 08:05:28 2011-11-15 14:55:58,400 INFO: #0 Killing crawl process after SIGHUP did nothing. 08:05:28 2011-11-15 14:55:58,402 INFO: #0 ERR: Writing crash info to morgue/crash--20111115-145558.txt 08:05:29 2011-11-15 14:55:58,475 INFO: #0 Crawl terminated. 08:05:29 2011-11-15 14:55:58,479 ERROR: #0 Error while handling lockfile ./game:2011-11-15.13:55:48.sock. 08:05:38 somehow the crawl process dies? 08:05:44 manually starting it gives me a segfault 08:06:12 that's interesting... can you upload the crash log? what platform are you doing this on? 08:06:36 where should i upload it? 08:06:45 a pastebin? 08:06:45 you could just report a bug on mantis 08:06:49 or that, yeah 08:07:23 i'm really not sure if i did everything right tho, so it might just be a noob error :) don't want to report a bug, but i'm gonna upload a pastebin for you guys to look at 08:08:38 there we go 08:08:38 http://pastebin.com/Sh33ynXD 08:10:54 is that from manually calling crawl? 08:11:41 -!- st__ is now known as st_ 08:12:00 ahhh shit 08:12:03 yes it is 08:12:03 :( 08:12:04 sorry 08:12:16 because normally, you'd need to pass a path to -webtiles-socket (which the server should do) 08:13:02 i see 08:13:35 on the other hand, it seems the dgl-less mode is currently broken (sorry, I normally just test the dgl mode) 08:14:36 hm ok 08:14:57 (fixing it right now) 08:15:43 sounds good :) 08:18:33 although the authenticated mode shouldn't be too hard to set up anyway, the user database is generated now if it doesn't exist, so you could just try setting dgl_mode = True 08:19:48 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:12 only dgl_mode = true works for me 08:20:17 when i set it to false i get errors Oo 08:20:36 i can register 08:20:39 i can login 08:20:42 everything works fine 08:20:45 until i try to start a game 08:21:33 oh, ok... then that's not actually the bug I just fixed ;) could you upload the crash morgue file for when you try to start crawl (morgue/crash--20111115-145558.txt according to what you pasted above)? 08:23:11 03edlothiol * r48c01525f31a 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/config.py: Webtiles: Change some defaults and add comments to the config file. 08:23:18 03edlothiol * rdf908ca69da6 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/process_handler.py: Webtiles: Fix dgl-less mode. 08:42:17 oh 08:42:27 sorry can't it's deleted already :D 08:42:43 gonna pull the fix and then try some more :) 08:43:06 well you can create a new one ;) unless it has stopped crashing 08:43:17 anyway, I need to go now 08:43:28 ok thanks for your help :) 08:44:12 -!- cosh has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 08:44:24 just upload the crash log and paste the address here, I'll read the log... I'll be back in about 2,5 hours and take a look at it 08:44:44 bye 08:44:47 -!- edlothiol has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:52:46 Apparently the octopode is an "x", which I think is wrong they should be js. 08:54:02 DrPraetor: apparently you think the octopode is a "j", which is wrong they should be xs 08:54:09 @??tentacled monstrosity 08:54:09 tentacled monstrosity (03X) | Speed: 9 | HD: 25 | Health: 111-164 | AC/EV: 5/5 | Damage: 22, 17, 13 | Flags: 05demonic, amphibious, see invisible | Res: 06magic(166), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2126. 08:54:10 @??kraken 08:54:11 kraken (12X) | Speed: 14 | HD: 16 | Health: 183-237 | AC/EV: 20/0 | Damage: 50 | Flags: cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 3217 | Sp: spawn tentacles, ink cloud. 08:54:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it has tentacles. But it's also a *mollusc*. 08:54:37 @??small abomination 08:54:37 small abomination (15x) | Speed: 7-15 | HD: 7 | Health: 8-44 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Damage: 23 | Flags: 05demonic | Res: 06magic(40), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 122. 08:54:47 so? humans are mammals 08:54:51 they aren't on r or h 08:55:14 Are small abominations molluscs, then? x isn't monophyletic! 08:55:53 But my real issue is that small abominations use up every *color* of x, while there are lots of colors of j left. 08:56:08 i don't think that's true post twisted res changes 08:56:18 molluscs are U 08:56:34 Molluscs are BEARS!? 08:56:36 well, the mollusc lord is, anyway 08:57:05 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:28 So we can use white js and grey js and so forth for octopode venom mages, octopode assassins, octopode engineers, and so forth. 08:57:39 The octopode king can be an X, that's fine I guess. 08:58:08 One of his side kicks is a "fire crab bard". 08:58:14 * DrPraetor runs away. 09:04:58 -!- cosh has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:02 Morning 09:31:39 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:11 anyone experienced with webtiles? trying to start a game now just gives me zero output (console and log)? what gives? :( i can register username+password just fine, edit rc works too. just not starting a game :D 09:41:52 huh ok works without dgl 09:42:18 but not with dgl on :( 09:48:27 -!- Soyweiser_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:14 Question, what is the licensing on the tiles shipped with stone soup? 09:50:45 cosh: with dgl_mode on it needs much more 09:51:00 cosh: but if you manage to login etc you should already see something in the log file 09:51:08 are you missing the correct permissions? 09:51:53 Soyweiser_: something free - but i don't remember which license exactly 09:55:56 Yeah, there are different kinds of free ;). 09:56:05 free as in speech, and free as in beer ;) 09:56:15 I wanted to update: http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php/Finding_graphical_tiles 09:56:18 i read that as free as in bear 09:56:45 With a link towards stone soup. As there has clearly been some improvement over the old rltiles junk 09:57:04 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:57:50 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20110929064733]] 10:00:22 Ow look I forgot to read. Apparantly there is already a link for the stone soup tiles on that page... 10:01:09 napkin thx fixed it already 10:01:21 had to manually mkdir a rcs/running & rcs/ttyrec 10:01:23 now it works Oo 10:01:50 yes 10:01:56 something like that 10:02:13 you can use the dgl_init or is it called player_init script to do that for you 10:02:54 Soyweiser_: yes, http://code.google.com/p/crawl-tiles/ looks good 10:03:29 the license is the same nowadays, updates are only in dcss' git though 10:04:19 03MarvinPA * rc9b6ecbc9aab 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Cap Felid lives at 9 instead of stepping down their rate of life gain 10:04:19 03MarvinPA * rcb4f853c2be2 10/crawl-ref/source/l_you.cc: Let Lua print progress to next experience level instead of leaking information 10:04:19 03MarvinPA * r33db85f3765d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Re-implement Metabolic Englaciation as a mass slowing Hex 10:04:30 03MarvinPA * rdecbcea97450 10/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc: Boost the power of mass enchantments (Control Undead, Mass Confusion, Cause Fear) 10:04:30 03MarvinPA * r6620a2597b25 10/crawl-ref/source/ (godabil.cc spl-transloc.cc spl-transloc.h): Don't let stasis block Abyss shifts or Lugonu's bend space 10:05:28 -!- jeanjacques has quit [] 10:05:49 MarvinPA: add monster-style cause fear as a player spell :( 10:05:59 Soyweiser_: a tarball of current git: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=snapshot;h=6620a2597b2564b95d52059bc41d05312bc5fe41;sf=tgz 10:07:11 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:14 cosh? where is your server located? or is it planned for internal use only? 10:07:18 moin dpeg 10:07:33 Hallo! 10:07:34 dpeg: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:10:17 Thanks for Metabolic Englaciation! 10:10:21 !seen kilobyte 10:10:22 I last saw kilobyte at Tue Nov 15 12:32:09 2011 UTC (3h 38m 13s ago) saying bye! on ##crawl-dev. 10:15:03 should we mention webtiles on roguebasin? 10:15:16 or rather... someone please do? :D 10:15:31 napkin germany 10:15:47 Napkin: do you get lots of traffic from roguebasin? 10:15:59 not sure... let's see :) 10:17:12 62 this month 10:17:44 not so bad 10:17:46 0.2%, but that's related to many, many coming from gall.dcgame.in at the moment 10:18:13 eek, Jeff asks me just now about an interview for Roguelike Radio :O 10:18:13 napkin server is temporarily up you wanna try? ^^ valor.kicks-ass.net:8080 10:19:05 dpeg: this is going to be the frost nixon interview except about mountain dwarves 10:19:22 gogogo, dpeg :) 10:19:32 look at this: http://gall.dcgame.in/list.php?id=game_classic&no=926127 10:19:52 they many tiles and use the knowledge bots to get them 10:19:57 *they list 10:20:14 i should block them 10:20:27 I'll just claim that I fought for the keeping of Dwarves until the end, but lost to group pressure in the team. 10:20:37 hehe 10:21:25 Napkin: "block" as in "not count" or "deny access"? 10:22:03 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:12 crawl needs glacier dwarves + lava orcs in the next version 10:23:58 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:24 not sure yet 10:24:49 but.. as you can see.. one visiter on that website causes about 200 times the execution of the php script to render the tile :D 10:25:05 oh 10:25:22 their page should download the tiles, right? 10:25:43 of course 10:25:59 of even take them found the game directly 10:26:15 http://gall.dcgame.in/list.php?id=game_classic&no=912349 <- all uniques 10:26:30 I've been thinking about scrolls of silence lately. Right now they have a weight of 10, which means only 1/1000. The comment says "balanced by rarity" 10:26:30 evilmike: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:26:54 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:26:56 I'm wondering, who decided that making them so rare was balanced? I can't really think of a reason why they should be so uncommon 10:27:10 11:24 < Napkin> but.. as you can see.. one visiter on that website causes about 200 times the execution of the php script to render the tile :D 10:27:24 if you are doing a php script to generate images, you should be caching generated images server-side 10:27:59 evilmike: I've always thought they should show up more often 10:28:06 write it, i'll use it, Eronarn 10:28:34 Napkin: the simplest way is just to wrap the generate function inside a 'if file doesn't exist', and then as the last step in generating the image, save the file 10:28:40 i don't have time to write it - i am in class right now 10:29:14 oh, surprise @ have no time ;) 10:29:40 -!- evilmike_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:48 surely i'm not the only person who knows php here :P 10:30:28 ugh sorry, interent has been spotty lately, if anyone replied to my question i missed it 10:30:53 evilmike_: Haran was very much concerned that ?silence would trivialise too many fights for meleeists... hence the rarity. 10:31:11 evilmike_: i think the idea is that silence is really powerful, except it's actually not for some of the more dangerous threats 10:31:20 ancient lich 10:31:36 evilmike_: I'd think at least double the frequency would be fine, probably higher... how does this compare with ?vuln ? 10:31:40 The way I see it, it's not really more powerful than a potion of speed or berserk rage... and strictly worse than the spell silence, which is much more reliable in terms of radius 10:31:49 i like the rarity of silence, but there should be like 2-3x as many ultrarare scrolls with cool effects 10:31:56 elliptic: vuln is more than an order of magnitutde more common than silence :P 10:32:01 I think we could safely make it 10x more common 10:32:17 okay, yeah 10:32:20 doubling is fine, but you know that a Be has many uses for the scroll 10:32:26 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:32:56 one of the things is, there is actually some risk to using it. you can get a terrible radius and wind up making your situation worse 10:33:13 as non-caster? 10:33:14 yeah, silence is a double-edged effect 10:33:14 right now you might only see one or two over the course of a game, and you lose the first to read-id 10:33:32 greatzebu: no reason to read-id 10:33:38 dpeg: it cuts off scroll use... pretty big deal usually, considering ?blinking is one of the most important escape items 10:33:40 it should come up late enough 10:33:41 if it would really still be less common than ?vuln, go ahead and make it 10x more common 10:33:51 dpeg: everyone except you read-IDs ;P 10:33:55 dpeg: does anyone not read-id scrolls? 10:34:00 well, and mummies 10:34:01 greatzebu: no! 10:34:07 erm, yes! 10:34:12 I can't easily compare it directly to vuln, since it uses a depth thing 10:34:16 haha, i had no idea :) 10:34:19 (depth_mod < 4 ? 0 : 140), SCR_VULNERABILITY, 10:34:23 10, SCR_SILENCE, 10:34:35 that's 10/10000 10:34:46 It gives me a lot of pleasure to id-id ?blinking. 10:35:00 blinking is 331 10:35:06 when we add sticky goo we should add a scroll that splashes it everywhere 10:35:20 or maybe a scroll of spiderwebs! 10:35:47 evilmike: okay, yeah, 10 is just silly in that function 10:36:08 what I'm thinking is just add 90 to it, subtract 90 from detect curse, and see how it goes 10:36:30 what does ?DC have? 10:36:33 evilmike_: hm, you should probably use the depth_mod thing 10:36:59 dpeg: detect curse is 511 but its also a fallback for a lot of high level scrolls 10:37:11 eg it replaces summoning for low levels 10:37:26 to replace silence with detect curse at low levels 10:37:35 I'll be more happy about ?silence inflation if ?DC disappears in return. 10:37:58 removing detect curse is a good idea imo, but a lot more work than boosting silence 10:38:14 because it would require changing all the weights, to keep them adding up to 10000 10:38:46 elliptic: how about making silence as rare as acquirement? 10:39:25 that sounds fine to me 10:40:34 also I think I should point out that the weights don't actually add up to exactly 10000, at least not all the time... because vuln's weight isn't getting replaced by anything currently 10:40:44 yeah, that's true. 10:40:59 it's only 140 though. I don't like that part much, it seems weird 10:41:21 really someone should clean up the entire list of weights and remove detect curse while they are doing so 10:41:51 It's something I want to do sometime. It came up on the tavern recently 10:42:04 but for now, just adding 140, (depth_mod < 4 ? SCR_DETECT_CURSE : SCR_SILENCE), 10:42:10 yeah that's what I've done 10:42:14 sounds good 10:42:25 and subtracted 130 from the normal detect curse weight 10:42:55 one thing about removing ?DC is that you'll wind up increasing all the other scrolls... unless the weight is shifted to random uslessness or something 10:43:09 It wouldn't be a huge effect but still a buff to scrolls, unless done in some weird way like that 10:43:14 evilmike_: yes, it's a buff 10:43:30 evilmike_: new low level scroll to replace it? :) 10:43:37 you'll also be buffing things like curse $foo, which, unless your'e with Ash, isn't that useful 10:43:42 what I'm thinking is instead of increasing them all evenly, be selective 10:44:00 eg keep blinking at 331, probably don't touch tele, but be willing to increase stuff like fog, fear, curse foo, etc 10:44:10 sounds reasonable 10:44:41 dpeg, UCC is more or less finished, I think..I've done some testing on some of the special races that get treated differently or have odd effects (like vampires) and whatnot...haven't run through demonspawn yet, or tested aux unarmed combat too much 10:44:44 but largely, its finished. 10:44:44 what about a scroll of sunshine that does fedhas sunlight centered on you? 10:44:55 Cryp71c: awesome! 10:45:09 that would let non-fedhasites get sunken items (albeit at the cost of scrolls) which would be very good imo 10:45:11 Everything htat's left will go into the symmetry efforts (whether its a separate branch or whatnot, who cares) which will be mostly changes to balance. 10:45:15 immolation could do that, incidentally 10:45:32 dpeg: but then you have to justify why fireballs don't 10:45:35 The one scroll idea I've heard that really seems interesting to me comes from crawl alternative... a scroll that disenchants stuff 10:45:45 crawl alternative apparently went as far as allowing you to use it to cancel the orb run 10:45:50 Eronarn: immolation does not burn scrolls anyway 10:45:57 evilmike_: "disenchants stuff"? 10:46:02 dpeg: s/immolation/sunray? :) 10:46:06 removes enchantment, curse, egos, etc 10:46:09 Eronarn: not so bad, yes 10:46:11 from a chosen item? 10:46:27 from your wielded item, I think. Basically makes it mundane. Probably didn't work on artifacts 10:46:34 the tavern proposals i've seen for a scroll like that usually have it work on your wielded item 10:46:45 which i'm not a huge fan of 10:47:00 since it means you have to start worrying about unequipping your good weapons when iding unknown scrolls 10:47:05 yeah 10:47:18 disenchant seems terrible as a scroll 10:47:22 that's a good point 10:47:35 but if you choose an item, then that is also bad because it messes up the choose-an-item ID minigame 10:47:36 cursing is frustratign enough, but effecitvely wiping out your weapon totally can be a game breaker 10:48:03 and it sounds like it has rather limited uses 10:48:03 why not call it "haha you lose scroll"? 10:48:12 i can see that the concept is supposed to be for it to let you strip the ego off a weapon or something (which could certainly be a good thing) 10:48:29 but i'm not sure that it'd work very well in practice, or be wanted very often 10:48:38 like, destroying cursed items, occasionally letting you make better use of an item of a good base type (sounds far-fetched to me really) 10:49:04 maybe if you got a terrible barding, I can see you'd set it to 0 and start over 10:49:17 but that's what enchant is for 10:49:19 it was probably meant to be a harmful scroll more than anything 10:49:29 but there's harmful and there's harmful 10:49:54 I've not seen many interesting scroll proposals. 10:50:13 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:item:scrolls 10:51:00 What about a scroll of translucification? 10:51:15 vitrification? 10:51:19 erm, yes 10:51:36 the thing is that transparent walls are already really problematic 10:51:39 dpeg: sticky goo, spiderwebs, acquire shop 10:51:56 it's a fun card effect and xom thing but monster pathfinding is really screwy once glass comes into play 10:51:57 elliptic: we need to improve AI anyway 10:52:01 since some spells and effects work beyond them and others don't 10:52:04 it isn't really about AI 10:52:12 03evilmike * r142a92499c08 10/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc: Make scrolls of silence more common. 10:52:24 just that crawl is really inconsistent in what can go past them 10:52:44 elliptic: that needs sorting out regardless of the scroll :) 10:53:11 sure 10:53:21 does vuln strip enchantments atm? 10:53:30