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00:00:47 <Gretell> Pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9-b1-59-g5cc01c0 (32)
00:01:20 <elliptic> hi
00:01:21 <Henzell> elliptic: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
00:01:33 <elliptic> back after 2 weeks, how is 0.9 coming along?
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00:07:13 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.10-a0-71-gdf90d60 (32)
00:07:41 <Gretell> Windows builds of pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9-b1-59-g5cc01c0
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08:50:56 <bmh> hello
08:51:49 <MarvinPA> afternoon
08:52:02 <ghallberg> hola
08:52:11 <ghallberg> It's too hot to code today.
08:52:16 <ghallberg> Crazy weather.
08:52:22 <bmh> MarvinPA: my loathing for the underground was just cemented. It took less time for me to get home from Cambridge than to commute to work.
08:52:36 <MarvinPA> ouch
08:53:19 <bmh> ghallberg: what part of the world?
08:53:51 <ghallberg> bmh: Sweden, I'm not used to > 20 Ć
08:54:08 <bmh> wild
08:54:12 <ghallberg> :P
08:57:07 <bmh> ghallberg: in other parts of the world, 20c is considered very comfortable :)
08:57:20 <ghallberg> I know, I'm spoiled.
08:57:45 <ghallberg> Though it's probably closer to 30 today. And we don't have air conditioners.
08:57:55 <MarvinPA> it's pretty nice and warm here, still feeling too lazy to be productive though :P
08:58:26 <bmh> it's 20c in beautiful in London
08:59:19 <bmh> I might try to get pit traps working today
08:59:27 <MarvinPA> around the same here in oxford, yeah
08:59:31 <ion> 20c is quite fast.
09:00:13 <ghallberg> MarvinPA: Have you updated the "stuff to do before 0.9" page on the wiki?
09:00:17 <bmh> ion: It's the first (1 - 10^-50)c that's hard.
09:00:26 <MarvinPA> hmm, not for a couple of days i don't think
09:00:44 <MarvinPA> i shall do, someone on tavern pointed out some more tutorial things that need a look at
09:00:46 <petete> you've better not come here in summer, 40c+ on the hottest days
09:00:59 <ghallberg> petete: :)
09:01:38 <bmh> petete: …Argentina?
09:01:57 <petete> yes
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09:04:14 <Wensley> silly [the rest of the world], we americans endure HUNDREDS OF DEGREES OF SCALE, every year
09:04:53 <bmh> Wensley: I think that Boston may have the worst weather in the country
09:06:47 <Wensley> bmh: so is the new abyss live in trunk?
09:07:03 <bmh> Wensley: if NEW_ABYSS is defined, yes.
09:07:52 <Wensley> way to be cryptic :D
09:07:58 <bmh> galehar made some tweaks that, in my estimation, drastically improve upon my work
09:08:25 <bmh> Wensley: I simply don't know if the version on CDO is compiled that that definition on. I haven't looked
09:08:26 <MarvinPA> it's live in trunk but not in 0.9 i think
09:09:12 <bmh> It is not live on CDO.
09:09:13 <ghallberg> petete: ARE YOU SPYING ON ME!?
09:10:09 <bmh> galehar said that he saw a few unexplained crashes
09:10:41 <Wensley> I actually saw a ton of crashes, but they were all by one person, I'm guessing they were reloading and recrashing dozens of times
09:10:53 <bmh> yeah, Lexicon blowing up somewhere in the shopping code
09:11:08 <petete> ghallberg: lol, sorry
09:11:10 <Wensley> does that mean there are shops in the abyss now? because I think that might be awesome
09:11:29 <bmh> What would they sell?
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09:11:38 <Wensley> food, perhaps
09:11:40 <ghallberg> petete: :D No offense taken.
09:11:44 <Wensley> and then reduce food spawns in the abyss
09:11:51 <bmh> It would be amusing to occasionally have the abyssal rune in a shop
09:11:55 <Wensley> haha
09:11:58 <Wensley> 1 gold
09:12:00 <Wensley> useless
09:12:10 <petete> overpriced randarts shops would be cool
09:12:40 <ion> bmh: FR: misc. acquirement has a small chance of giving a rune or the orb.
09:13:00 <bmh> ion: …no?
09:13:25 <MarvinPA> i think support for setting shop prices for things like runes was added with the idea that it could be used in sprint!
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09:15:51 <bmh> Vaults has a rune, right?
09:15:53 <Wensley> for some reason I like the idea of the abyss having randart shops with much higher prices than normal
09:16:24 <ZorbaBeta> bmh, yeah, I believe that's traditionally one of the runes of the three-rune win
09:16:29 <Wensley> it's like scumming the abyss, except you're paying the shopkeepers to scum for you :P
09:17:04 <bmh> ZorbaBeta: putting the vault rune in a shop could be interesting
09:17:16 <bmh> I think dpeg had suggested putting it in a chest that gets opened when you step on it
09:17:38 <ZorbaBeta> if so, I think there would need to be a third "easy" rune
09:17:40 <Wensley> we could finally put the 'O' key to use!!
09:17:51 <ZorbaBeta> but I agree that adding a rune that gets purchased through money is a neat idea
09:18:28 <bmh> ZorbaBeta: cost it at 1gp. Sticking it in a shop prevents apportation and just ducking into a room for a peek
09:18:45 <ZorbaBeta> 1gp seems like a weird artificial gimmick
09:18:50 <Wensley> eh, I'm not really too enthused about buying a rune in a shop. it basically either makes no difference whatsoever (if the price is low) or forces people to not buy anything and hoard their gold (if the price is high)
09:19:56 <Wensley> maybe vaults:8 could have a shop in the middle of the staircases, selling teleport scrolls and scrolls of magic mapping
09:22:02 <bmh> Wensley: ugh :)
09:22:13 <Wensley> that would basically be the same thing :P
09:22:40 <Wensley> if the price was something _other_ than gold, though, that could be interesting...
09:22:49 <bmh> sounds very troves'y
09:22:55 <Wensley> rune trove
09:23:02 <Wensley> requires the orb of zot to enter
09:23:57 <petete> fetch 10 rat tails, and a troll skin
09:23:59 <bmh> who's going to stick around once they've nabbed the Macguffin?
09:24:09 <Wensley> but I was actually thinking something other than an item... like max hp, or a point of one of your stats
09:24:54 <Wensley> (not for the rune trove, that was a joke)
09:25:02 <MarvinPA> updated the 0.9 plan a bit: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:planning
09:25:15 <ZorbaBeta> bmh, you could use the same logic to show that nobody would bother with more than a 3-rune win
09:25:42 <bmh> ZorbaBeta: I 'accidentally' did a 4-rune win
09:25:42 <ZorbaBeta> if there was a rune that could only be gotten after grabbing the orb, people would try to get it
09:26:12 <MarvinPA> if there are any particularly major bugs on mantis that i've not spotted feel free to add them to the outstanding bugs section so they'll hopefully get some attention
09:26:12 <bmh> it would give Marvin something to do.
09:26:30 <Wensley> wait, "disable feature mimics"?
09:26:35 <Wensley> wha?
09:26:40 <MarvinPA> yes, they're still very buggy unfortunately
09:26:58 <MarvinPA> same as 0.8, most of them were disabled in the 0.8 branch
09:28:05 <MarvinPA> i think door mimics are mostly working but you can still identify them for free by changing their glyph colour, i had a look into fixing that couldn't figure it out
09:28:26 <MarvinPA> generally there's just a pretty large amount of problems with them and nobody particularly keen on fixing them :(
09:29:17 <Wensley> ah well :(
09:31:59 <bmh> I need to tweak abyss feature selection a bit. Doors, while rare, simply look stupid when you play in tiles and I don't think they add much in terms of gameplay.
09:32:23 <Zaba> tiles' doors are ugly when out of place, indeed
09:33:25 <bmh> If we still want doors, I can whip up some code to place them
09:34:01 <Wensley> I love the huuuuuuge abyss doors
09:34:16 <Wensley> make the entire abyss into a giant door
09:34:33 <Wensley> tiles players can ;_; all they want
09:34:46 <Wensley> >:D
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10:29:37 <Wensley> MarvinPA: getting back to default options, can you make travel_delay=-1 the default for everywhere?
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12:59:46 <Ashenzari> Tiles version crashes when returning to main menu after death/quit (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4339) by Wolfe
13:00:03 <Henzell> Aknarovich the Eclecticist (L17 NaEE) ASSERT(mon->seen_context != "just seen") in 'delay.cc' at line 1651 failed on turn 72915. (D:21)
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13:29:55 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
13:30:03 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
13:30:17 <Wensley> someone should really tell him that it's no use
13:30:57 <Wensley> !lg lexicon x=src
13:30:57 <Sequell> 1759. [src=cao] Lexicon the Covert (L7 KoBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by a big kobold (a +0,+0 club) on D:6 on 2011-07-29, with 739 points after 6089 turns and 0:26:14.
13:32:06 <MarvinPA> is that an abyss-related crash?
13:32:17 <Wensley> yeah, something to do with shops in the abyss
13:32:20 <MarvinPA> :/
13:32:27 <MarvinPA> cao ought to be running 0.9 really
13:32:31 <Wensley> I know that bmh and galehar are aware of it
13:32:38 <MarvinPA> hm, ok
13:32:47 <Wensley> yeah good point, it would be nice to make sure that the spell refactoring is working as intended
13:33:04 <MarvinPA> definitely, there's been some nasty bugs with it, it definitely needs some attention before release
13:33:19 <Wensley> ...is it even possible to access cdo with napkin gone?
13:33:24 <Wensley> s/cdo/cao
13:33:35 <MarvinPA> not sure who has access to change stuff around on cao other than rax
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13:39:04 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
13:39:12 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
13:39:43 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
13:39:47 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
13:40:10 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
13:41:11 <Wensley> would it break save compat to transfer from 0.10 to 0.9? how would it work if lexicon is currently in the new abyss and then the old abyss is restored?
13:44:32 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
13:45:53 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
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13:48:14 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
13:51:29 <Zannick> huh, i just noticed the option "dump_item_origins" (section 5-a) suggests "artifact" as an option
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13:55:51 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
13:56:34 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
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16:19:06 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
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16:45:57 <Ashenzari> Lockup when putting on ring, involving duplicate rings (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4340) by dolorous
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17:06:15 <Henzell> Footloop the Arsonist (L10 DrFE) ASSERT(mon->seen_context != "just seen") in 'delay.cc' at line 1651 failed on turn 17841. (D:10)
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17:26:10 <Ashenzari> Replace Generic Runes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4341) by dolphin
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18:52:02 <Henzell> Daemmerung the Whirler (L13 HaHu)  (Lair:5)
19:01:40 <Ashenzari> Kiku gift menu is easy to mess up (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4342) by ion_frigate
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19:47:19 <Gretell> swamp (L14 SEWz) ERROR in 'tileview.cc' at line 916: non-door tile (D:14)
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19:58:34 <Gretell> swamp (L14 SEWz) ERROR in 'tileview.cc' at line 916: non-door tile (D:14)
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20:12:36 <Gretell> turnerjer (L27 DsIE)  (Zig:4)
20:12:56 <elliptic> !lm turnerjer crash -log
20:12:57 <Sequell> 2. turnerjer, XL27 DsIE, T:179490 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/turnerjer/crash-turnerjer-20110731-011230.txt
20:15:00 <MarvinPA> oh hm, there was another potion of experience-related crash on mantis i think
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21:00:56 <CIA-34> 03dolorous * r674e5a06e68e 10/crawl-ref/source/art-data.txt: Fix the unidentified description of the armour of the Dragon King.
21:08:09 <CIA-34> 03MarvinPA * ra8ddd3409607 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Adjust XP display on E to show percentages instead of numbers
21:08:09 <CIA-34> 03MarvinPA * r173e5d187068 10/crawl-ref/source/evoke.cc: Reduce the MP restored by balls of energy, tone down failure effects
21:08:10 <CIA-34> 03MarvinPA 07stone_soup-0.9 * r1b96459b8f6e 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Adjust XP display on E to show percentages instead of numbers
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21:23:44 <Gretell> turnerjer (L27 DsIE)  (Lair:1)
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22:09:14 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
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22:33:53 <Henzell> Lexicon the Unseen (L7 SpSt) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2082 failed on turn 958. (Abyss)
22:54:10 <CIA-34> 03dolorous * rb7d390c9723b 10/crawl-ref/source/items.cc: Remove unnecessary spacing.
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23:14:09 <CIA-34> 03dolorous * r6da623d9210d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Tweak wording.
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