00:03:24 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9-a1-511-g212b4e4 (32) 00:28:40 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:27 % screen has too many ring slots (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4124) by nubinia 01:10:16 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:49:56 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03:06 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:07 -!- Twilight has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:33 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest16659 02:10:04 -!- Guest16446 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:12:33 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26:03 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:19 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:02 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:30:55 -!- Guest16659 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:34:54 moin 02:41:07 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:42:39 -!- petete has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:49:03 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49:18 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 02:56:43 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:57:52 hi 03:10:39 -!- ZorbaTHut has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:11:02 -!- ZorbaTHut has joined ##crawl-dev 03:15:25 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:03:09 ??brilliance 04:03:10 brilliance[1/2]: Temporarily increases intelligence, spell power, and provides a wizardry bonus. 04:03:24 that's wrong, brilliance doesn't increase spell power 04:03:44 only as a side effect of the +int bonus 04:04:49 I think it should provide a decent boost to spell power 04:06:30 galehar: Is the same true for agility? 04:07:38 agility boosts dex, stealth and evasion 04:09:29 Ok, why doesn't it just boost dex? I htought the others were based on it? 04:14:19 It gives a bigger boost to evasion and stealth than just the +dex boost. 04:14:51 just like might gives a (much) bigger boost to damage than what the +5 str does. 04:16:01 What else does Dex boost, weapon damage? 04:16:48 yes, dex has a slight effect on weapon damage and accuracy (depending on strength weighting) 04:18:21 stabbing too 04:18:59 Ok, and those bonuses would be too big if it only added (a larger amount of) dex? 04:19:00 untrapping 04:19:05 chance to creak doors 04:19:23 I don't know 04:19:40 Maybe something I can look into later. 04:19:57 Would be more elegant that way :) 04:19:59 but the potion description says that it increases "the dexterity and evasiveness" 04:20:07 Though it may be a bit pointless... 04:20:14 just add stealth there and it's no longer spoiler material :) 04:20:42 galehar: Of course, I'm tihnking from a pure design stand point, it would be more elegant if it only did one thing. 04:22:09 dex also helps handling bucklers 04:22:31 So many little things :) 04:22:43 and one big: blade hands damage 04:22:53 I guess there's a wiki article on this I could go read instead of boring you. 04:23:21 read the source instead ;) 04:23:35 galehar: True :D 04:23:56 I think I'll take some time for fun-devving tonight. 04:44:45 -!- ZorbaTHut has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:46:45 -!- ZorbaTHut has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:16 -!- evilmike has quit [] 04:51:18 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:53:08 -!- syllogism has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:07:31 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:50:39 galehar: oh, actually until recently i guess brilliance did boost spell power 05:51:17 well, I did too, that's what the bots said. Until I checked the source. 05:51:17 because wizardry boosted spell power a bit as well as success, but it was only a really small boost and i removed it 05:51:53 since it doesn't make much sense for rings of wizardry to boost spell power really 05:52:23 -!- galehar_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:24 damn 05:52:40 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 05:53:05 so, how about giving a decent spell power boost to brilliance? 05:53:21 yeah, sounds reasonable 05:56:35 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:57:09 could you do it? :) 05:57:20 -!- galehar_ is now known as galehar 05:57:23 yup, nearly done :P 06:06:51 pushed, thanks for spotting that 06:08:57 03MarvinPA * r1a07c3ae992a 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-cast.cc: Give potions of brilliance an extra boost to spellpower again 06:09:24 and thanks for fixing it :) 06:12:54 I've updated the training and skill_menu wiki pages with details of the plan for addressing victory dancing 06:12:56 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:skills:training 06:13:01 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:skills:skill_menu 06:13:38 Now, I'd like to start by changing the skill cost system so that it doesn't depend on skill level 06:14:00 because it will greatly simplify the implementation 06:14:12 and will also be a good thing 06:15:17 there's still a lot of work and the timeframe is getting short. I don't think I'll be able to do everything in time for 0.9 06:16:38 Anyway, I'll start by trying to figure out a better skill cost system. 06:26:24 -!- ZorbaTHut has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:26:44 -!- ZorbaTHut has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:47 what about this: when you get xp, they are immediately converted into skill points, and only that gets distributed 06:29:52 but it doesn't work with the current skill cost system. 06:30:15 since skills at different level have a different XP -> skill point cost 06:30:51 yeah, that's what could be changed 06:31:01 yes, I'll work on that 06:32:58 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:09 and then, splitting would be as simple as while (exp_pool > skill_cost) exercise(random_choose_weighted(weighted_skills)) 06:33:32 hi elliptic 06:33:40 hi 06:34:17 I've decided to work on the skill cost like we discussed yesterday. It will help a lot with the new training system and will be a good thing overall 06:34:49 cool :) 06:35:13 I'll let you know when I have some neat tables full of numbers :) 06:58:29 -!- ZorbaTHut has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58:43 -!- ZorbaTHut has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:43 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:24 -!- petete has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 07:33:41 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:22 how about adding an euclidean variant to CDO? I'd like some feedback on it. 08:32:26 Napkin? 08:55:40 -!- galehar_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:56:38 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:56:47 I've played a local game with euclidean and it felt all right. Anyone else interested in trying it out? 08:56:52 -!- galehar_ is now known as galehar 09:03:28 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:00 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:36 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:27 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:17 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:29 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:29 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:14:42 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:40 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:30:13 [Notes: Due to the confusion over "mortification", I went with 10:30:14 "mortification of the flesh", as it's clearer. 10:30:19 lol @ the idea of this being clearer 10:30:47 where is this? 10:31:00 proposed new makhleb description 10:31:04 trying to turn him into anti-zin or something 10:37:48 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:50 !seen kilobyte 10:37:51 I last saw kilobyte at Fri Jun 10 11:30:52 2011 UTC (4h 6m 58s ago) saying yeah, thats what could be changed on ##crawl-dev. 10:39:00 !tell kilobyte I have no time, just came to say this: if you tell me to publish the Oki gift proposal (wiki or c-r-d), I'll do that. Also, ask me on details, I spent some time on it, but may have missed something. 10:39:01 dpeg: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 10:40:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:49:40 -!- gustaf_arg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:57 -!- ghallberg has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:54:21 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:42:30 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:21 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:23:12 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:34 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:29:58 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:12 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:15 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:30 -!- gnsh has quit [Quit: thunderstormu] 12:57:24 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:59:46 the way shapeshifters and invisible forms interact has gotten broken recently, it seems 13:00:08 they stay invisible even after leaving the invisible form 13:10:11 that's been broken for a while 13:10:17 very surprised it's not already fixed 13:10:24 i died to it a while ago 13:13:37 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:57 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:05:16 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:26 Flare spell (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4125) by argonaut 14:59:53 -!- upsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:04 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:18 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:22 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:30 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:12:57 Stormfox the Transmogrifier (L9 SETm) ERROR: range check error (52 / 52) (D:5) 15:13:27 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:24 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:50 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:55 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:16 -!- Henzell has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:30:51 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:23 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:33 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:41 -!- petete has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:02 -!- cesium has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:33 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:51 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:31 03elliptic * r612263bb87f5 10/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc: Let reflected missiles retain their full range. 16:31:42 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:43 gnoll_camp.des has this comment in it above the gnoll shaman monster: 16:37:44 -- XXX: Petrify for the second spell when it's implemented as a monster spell. 16:41:15 gnolls have a good earth apt 16:41:26 or maybe it is a good tmut apt, I'm not sure 16:48:09 03dolorous * r452396e45735 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Make _is_covering() return bool instead of int, as it returns only 0 or 1. 16:48:10 03dolorous * r151053acad59 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Add formatting fix. 16:48:10 03dolorous * rd0db90ddda95 10/crawl-ref/source/output.cc: Remove unneeded blank line. 17:44:33 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:55:17 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:43 -!- syllogism- has quit [] 18:17:11 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:53:38 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:57:31 -!- gnsh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:27 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:33:44 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:52 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:53 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:07 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:53 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:45 -!- degroves has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:01 -!- degroves has left ##crawl-dev 20:50:08 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:09 -!- edlothiol has quit [Quit: edlothiol] 20:54:19 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:09 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:14:48 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 21:17:02 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:53 -!- cesium has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:54 -!- hoody_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:10:08 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:29 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:10 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:28 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:15 -!- hoody_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:30 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:47 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:59 -!- hoody_ has joined ##crawl-dev