00:03:38 Autoexplore looping in shoals for Ashenzari (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3888) by nubinia 00:34:46 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.9.0-a0-305-g199e348 (32) 00:47:24 -!- Tychotesla has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:38 Hello. 00:48:59 8.0 is pretty sweet, thanks everyone. 00:49:44 Incidentally, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this download page links to 7.1 instead of 8.0 when downloading the mac version: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/downloads 00:51:41 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:53:19 In fact I'm sure it does. 00:57:00 To reiterate: DOWNLOAD PAGE LINKS TO THE WRONG VERSION for macs. 00:57:16 The link to sourceforge on the blog page has it right. Anywho, thanks again. Sweet dreams. 00:57:48 -!- Tychotesla has quit [Quit: Inyup gresfi.] 01:08:46 -!- oph has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12:18 SURELY SPEAKING IN CAPS WILL MAKE US NOTICE YOUR COMMENTS FASTER 01:12:23 hehe 01:12:24 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION 01:12:25 moin due 01:12:53 i guess we forgot to write the part of info in the announcement ;> 01:13:03 oops, no, we didn't forget :D 01:14:11 Napkin: would you be so kind as to update the downloads page? ;) 01:14:23 I'm assuming greensnark updated the blog post but not the downloads page itself. 01:14:45 done 01:14:47 :) 01:15:24 nah, blog post is still the same ;) 01:15:27 You're so efficient! 01:15:39 we should have written the line in CAPS, of course :D 01:15:51 OF COURSE 01:15:56 hehe 01:16:06 I hereby decree that all future development and conversation, including via c-r-c and c-r-d, will take place ENTIRELY IN CAPS. 01:16:17 rofl 01:16:19 Alternately, with small caps and the sound as though that of a coffin lid being slammed shut. :> 01:19:41 and blog post updated 01:19:49 excellent 01:19:50 * due gone 01:19:55 o/ 01:20:47 -!- MarvinPA has quit [] 01:37:02 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:50:44 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:15 Decks of Summoning can create animated katanas (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3889) by smock 02:32:12 -!- jlewis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:36:59 -!- jlewis has joined ##crawl-dev 03:11:45 cAPSlOCK IS STUCK AGAIN! 03:11:51 +1 to coffin lid 03:15:46 hehe, moin kilobyte 03:16:54 hi! 03:17:15 time to kill some players 03:17:17 @??ignacio 03:17:18 Ignacio (131) | Speed: 20 | HD: 18 | Health: 250 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Damage: 30, 15, 15 | Flags: 05demonic, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(216), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: agony, pain (d17), haste. 03:17:19 hehe 03:17:27 btw, about the slashdot incident yesterday 03:17:32 would fixing the lack of torment and enabling him be a good idea? 03:17:57 crawl.develz.org usually has about 2.2 million hits a month 03:18:12 march was strong with 2.6 million hits 03:18:39 yesterday _alone_ had 560k hits! 03:20:10 and a good part of them will at least look at the game 03:22:11 * bhaak 's unnethack blog had also large spike yesterday, making it most traffic eva on the blog 03:22:25 awesome, bhaak :D 03:22:49 154 views, with 50% comming from crawl.develz.org ;-) 03:23:09 *high five* 03:23:18 *high five back* 03:23:26 not quite your league though :) 03:23:46 don't rush it :) 03:25:00 for comparison: when the comic was posted on first of april there was 271k hits 03:25:56 with "views" you mean number of visits, right? 03:26:35 average on CDO is 3500 - comic: 12000 - slashdot: 18000 03:26:44 *daily average 03:27:30 comic being questionable content? 03:27:35 yes 03:27:51 I think "views" is "single user" as determined by shaky heuristics used by wordpress.com :) 03:27:59 that's pretty impressive 03:28:28 it is impressive - crawl.develz.org is creating quite a lot of traffic/visits/hits 03:28:52 have a look at the "Site Stats", doy 03:29:07 they show up below "Admin" in the right column when you login to the wordpress 03:29:38 the htaccess afterward is using username and password from the wordpress 03:29:51 http://en.support.wordpress.com/stats/ 03:30:14 interesting: among others, not counted are "Visits from browsers that do not execute javascript or load images" 03:30:43 yeah, I guess they use javascript stats like google statistics do too 03:30:59 I am parsing the apache logs with awstats on the server 03:32:14 but they wouldn't need to. they have access to the webserver logs too. but they probably thought it's too much hassle and anyway almost all browsers have js on 03:32:37 I'm pretty suicidal and have javascript on, but like 10% of people these days disable it... And a far more ratio of /. crowd. 03:32:44 it uses a lot of cpu to parse the logs, bhaak 03:32:56 i run that at 3 o'clock in the night 03:33:03 i can't imagine the number being anywhere near 10% 03:33:23 although more at slashdot is probably true 03:33:31 and.. parsing the last 52 weeks of CDO apache logs takes almost 20 minutes 03:33:34 I heard that number somewhere... as being mostly in work places 03:33:37 noscript is a rather popular plugin for firefox, so who know 03:35:22 heh... panopticlick claims it's 23%, although they are really skewed towards privacy-conscious people 03:37:05 17 USC Section 508 requires all US govt agencies and companies working for them to have javascript off on all machines 03:37:32 kilobyte: why did you make a temple map that is the same as zot:5????? 03:37:52 and why does it have non lightgrey stone???????!?!?! 03:38:04 I had the x all over it to find out 03:38:21 w3schools say 5%, down from 11% in 2005 03:39:08 st_: you mean, you have means to pierce stone in the Temple? :p 03:39:37 the first question was the more important one 03:39:44 there's an identical ZotDef map, too 03:40:27 it's kind of the point of zotdef to defend zot:5. 03:40:28 well, dpeg liked the idea... although the weight might be too big for an outlandish concept 03:42:31 you're the first person to complain, too 03:42:58 complaining isn't bad, it says something might be bad 03:44:10 commending doesn't bring as much information. If I said, for example, "Napkin kicks ass", there's no new data since we already know that :p 03:45:50 lol, hilight abuser ;-P 03:46:19 I don't know how to express why I dislike it so much but I really do 04:02:25 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:26 helloo 04:18:33 moin due 04:19:11 mmm stir fry :D 04:19:25 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:48:41 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:00 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:12 Crash when loading save game (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3890) by ionpattern 05:02:52 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:09:29 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:10:35 moin 05:10:39 moin Zaba 05:10:43 what's up 05:10:55 relaxing :) how about you? 05:11:07 preparing to eat lunch 05:11:13 we had a CAPS attack during the night ;) 05:11:19 CAPS? 05:12:39 check your backlog ;) 05:16:11 kilobyte, for what it's worth, I don't really like the idea of duplicating vaults in a way like the temple of Zot does. But I didn't complain because the issue is entirely non-technical :P 05:20:40 * doy agrees 05:31:20 kilobyte, zotdef is different, it's a separate game mode. It's not like you get the real Zot:5 in addition to the zotdef map in a single game. 05:31:59 I like the concept 05:32:12 a temple layed out like a miniature Zot:5 sound scool 05:32:18 but I won't pass judgment until I see the actual map 05:32:27 miniature would be different 05:32:36 I wouldn't have anything against miniature, either 05:32:48 i kind of like the idea of a false Zot:5 somewhere though 05:43:25 hm. Maybe I should play crawl. 05:45:41 replaced "RSS FEED" button on the website with a page that contains a summary of all rss feeds: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/rss-feeds 06:03:42 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:58 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:31:26 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:31:47 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:57 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:59 -!- edlothiol has left ##crawl-dev 07:27:08 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:50 hey 07:28:01 moin galehar 07:29:01 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:06 galehar: I'm gonna drop a new patch for the butchering stuff soon. 07:29:13 cool 07:31:06 Oh wait... 07:34:17 I've pulled after making changes, that's confusing... 07:34:35 -!- ZorbaTHut has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:34:35 -!- ZorbaTHut has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:36 03jcuffe * rf8ff9ed5f269 10/crawl-ref/source/l_you.cc: Added Lua hooks for player's burden and max_burden 07:34:43 03kilobyte * re5ddd780d954 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/builder/uniques.des mon-spll.h): Enable Ignacio. 07:34:44 03kilobyte * rf8867c99da28 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/temple.des: Make the grass greener in a vault. 07:34:48 03kilobyte * rc705943826dd 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Fix Pan walls being usually same as floor. 07:36:35 kilobyte, umm.. how exactly is ignacio supposed to be placed? 07:37:26 -!- ZorbaBeta has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:33 -!- ZorbaTHut has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38:28 kilobyte, not I see anything -wrong- with handling him as a pan lord minivault, but it's a bit odd. 07:39:06 Zaba: people suggested some formula making him more likely when you've got more runes 07:39:33 not sure what would be the best option 07:39:35 ugh, those people who invent irrevelantly complicated mechanics. 07:40:18 normal uniques are not placed outside of the normal dungeon, so I went the least intrusive way before more is decided 07:40:55 it tends to take 20-30 levels for him to spawn, too 07:41:08 but he's currently guaranteed with enough scumming, which is bad 07:42:01 I'm seriously bad at git <.< 07:42:04 Dammit. 07:42:26 ghallberg: just ask us questions if you have some troubles 07:42:33 Yeah... 07:43:19 First I made a patch, the one I posted on mantis, then I pulled some changes from trunk. Now I've made more changes, and I want to make another patch... 07:44:16 How should I do it? :S 07:44:21 Your first patch should still be on top when you "git log" 07:44:25 does it? 07:44:47 galehar: Nope :( Some other stuff is there, since I pulled form trunk. 07:44:56 I should revert I guess. Hold on. 07:45:30 ghallberg, you should git pull --rebase 07:45:59 Zaba: Ah, that looks cool. 07:46:15 Zaba: Thanks <3 07:46:22 Let's see if it works. 07:47:50 messing with _committed_ patches is safe, since when you manage to screw something up, there's "git reflog" that lets you recover any commit from last ~3 months (using for example "git reset --hard my_lost_hash") 07:48:20 his patch hasn't been commited 07:48:29 ghallberg: you should follow the instructions in docs/develop/git/config.txt 07:48:40 git config branch.master.rebase true 07:48:46 Ok. 07:49:19 Thanks :) 07:49:55 galehar: rebasing can be harmful when the changes are non-trivial. This is about the complexity of commit graph, not size or number of commits, though. 07:50:55 for simple patches, it's good advice though, isn't it? 07:51:32 sure, as long as no merge commits have happened 07:51:39 my git is configured with instructions in config.txt :) 07:51:53 Slooow recompile :P 07:52:20 Btw, can I tell the compiler to use multiple cores+ 07:52:34 make -j4 07:52:52 -j2 I guess :( Stupid old computer! 07:52:55 where '4' should be the number appropriate for your amount of cores 07:53:02 Yeah 07:53:03 :) 07:53:51 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:56 Also, linux is usually less painful with recompiling than windows 07:53:57 -!- ais523_ has quit [Changing host] 07:53:57 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:57 -!- ais523_ has quit [Changing host] 07:53:57 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:17 Well It's not that bad, I just feel whiny :) 07:55:31 Ok I'm gonna drop the new patch, just aply it after the last one. Should work on latest trunk. 07:56:43 galehar: It's up. 07:57:57 I buffed one of the fixedarts btw. Can't remember which one :D 07:58:18 03kilobyte * r1bf0e18ab2d4 10/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc: Don't mess with the shopping list during post-mortem. 08:01:20 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:46 Still haven't remove gloved butcher for now... 08:12:07 it's ok 08:12:11 start small 08:15:02 Yeah, this touched enough stuff as ti is. 08:15:22 I'm learning grep and git at least :P 08:16:10 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:21:12 grep is your friend :) 08:21:13 Cryp71c: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:21:15 !messages 08:21:16 (1/1) Eronarn said (10h 23m 49s ago): I figured out what the problem is, ping me when you're around so I don't have to try to cram it in a PM 08:21:23 Eronarn: rar, I'm here. brb. 08:24:02 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:45 Zaba: is there an easy way to get the total sum of vault weights for a certain place? 08:25:30 not that I know of 08:31:59 Cryp71c: good timing, just got out of bed 08:32:29 the actual bug is not the thing making the "x3" in the attack sequences 08:32:50 that comes about because the check for 'abort this attack if it's AT_NONE' only happens after to-hit is calculated 08:33:15 instead, the bug is that the margin is not being returned propertly out of test_attack_hit or whatever the name is 08:34:10 i did not completely debug this, but basically, look for the 'Will hit no matter what' part of that code 08:34:42 ev_margin = test_melee_hit(to_hit, defender_evasion_help, r); it checks ev margin >= 0; ev_margin was always = 1 08:36:17 03kilobyte * r0f6afe6bffab 10/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc: Set the signature weapon flag for Ignacio and DDAr. 08:36:28 03kilobyte * rd4fa0a47a68d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/pan.des: Axe the axe in pan_surprise. 08:36:38 whatttttttt 08:36:39 no 09:16:08 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:35 Eronarn: BTW even revertting back, I still get the same bug. its seeded elsewhere in my code I just didn't notice until now. 09:23:11 Metal wall tile (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3891) by Denzi 09:23:57 Cryp71c: it works fine if you remove that part of the code (checking the EV_HELPLESS stuff) 09:25:50 Eronarn: hrm. I'm looking around at some of the other code atm, curious that removing just the else if block for the helpless stuff works. 09:28:36 Cryp71c: test_melee_hit is always returning 1 for the first time it gets checked 09:28:43 where it sets ev_margin 09:28:46 i haven't looked to see why that is the case 09:29:13 the other uses of it work fine, since if you remove it, the margin rolls reported in debug will actually correspond to whether the attack hits or not 09:29:45 Eronarn: perhaps an issue with the value of defender_evasion_help, which causes the test_melee_hit to return AUTOMATIC_HIT 09:29:55 I'll check that out, thanks. 09:30:16 Well, that's not it. 09:30:31 actually, nvm. not sure yet. 09:33:02 Cryp71c: i don't think that would be it; if you leave the code intact, margin appears to be calculated properly (it gets printed in the debug as a value ranging from negative to posiive) but then it hits even if the margin is negative 09:33:42 if (to_land >= AUTOMATIC_HIT) 09:33:43 return (true); 09:33:56 - it wouldn't even land on the mprf if it were set to auto hit 09:34:58 Yeah I noticed earlier that the debug prints the right values (the last one in the parenthesis should be the exact same as returned by the test_melee_hit) for the evasion margin, but I'm unsure how ev_margin is always getting 1. 09:36:14 likewise :) but at least it's a start 09:36:16 gotta go, though 09:36:17 Eronarn: its the variable. 09:36:39 If I declare a local int and put it where ev_margin is, the assignment happens correctly. 09:38:39 !tell Eronarn I found it, such a small thing can cause so much havoc. Pre-rewrite, ev_margin was of "int" type, Post-rewrite, ev_margin was of "bool" type -_- 09:38:40 Cryp71c: OK, I'll let Eronarn know. 09:42:15 ghallberg: so what's the new butchering implementation like? 09:43:58 I think in the near future I'm going to start confusing galehar for ghallberg. 09:44:59 Cryp71c, what's the difference? 09:47:18 Cryp71c: you too?! 09:47:25 I thought I was going crazy 09:48:42 Zaba: difference in what now? 09:50:17 between galehar and ghallberg. I didn't see any until you pointed it out... 09:53:45 so happy that other people are as confused as I am by their names 09:56:44 one of them has been a member of the devteam for 7 months... 09:57:07 the cloud spell targeting really needs a toggle 09:57:32 with it as is I would rather not use the spells to avoid it 09:58:09 what's wrong about it? 09:58:27 I put my comments on some wiki page a while ago 09:59:26 I can predict where it will flood fine, I don't want some purple mass on my viewport making it harder to see things 09:59:40 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:19 any particular reason why ice storm doesn't have it? 10:10:30 You'll have to ask kilobyte for the 10:10:34 that 10:10:41 he coded it 10:16:46 probably because it isn't smite targeted 10:20:37 i guess : would make sense to toggle it on and off 10:20:47 since that's what it does for beams already 10:29:10 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:28 but that only turns it off once, right? 10:30:39 just for the current spell, i mean 10:31:08 oh, maybe 10:38:11 -!- Jordan7hm has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:38:57 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:42:09 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:53 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:23 kilobyte? Could you send Greensnark another email and ask him to install 0.8 on CAO?# 11:34:49 Cryp71c: nice :) sorry I didn't have the time to look into it myself 11:34:50 Eronarn: You have 23 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:35:27 (i noticed one other change, where you changed one instance of attack_number to effective_attack_number - it might be a good idea to look for other small differences that were made) 11:35:53 Eronarn: lol you might want to read your messages? :P 11:35:59 Yeah, I will. 11:36:48 i don't need to read my messages, i just check what the person sent to me via highlight log 11:36:59 hoping to hit triple digits some day 11:37:10 gamefreak has over 50 11:50:58 -!- ophanim is now known as subwayanim 11:54:48 over nine thousaaaand? 12:01:10 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:18 -!- skeletal has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:17 anyone know a solution to zutil.h throwing errors in a mac build? 12:11:17 ah, a mac build... I believe that's greensnark's domain, but hopefully someone will be around eventually who can help 12:11:20 <-- utterly useless 12:12:01 damn, was hoping its just a common unix error or something 12:12:41 only thing i'm missing from linux is mac's lack of apt-get 12:14:03 are there any online docs regarding the settings files? 12:17:44 what sort of settings? you mean the game options, or build options? 12:20:42 game settings 12:20:50 back to my display issues 12:21:29 something is telling it to display with a horrible highlight across everything, and i'm looking to get rid of that highlight 12:21:49 or at least set it to be something that allows me to see/read the text 12:22:00 using 0.8? 12:23:25 yep 12:23:38 would be using the latest dev version if i could get my build to work :P 12:24:16 not sure about the directory structure on mac, but there should be a "settings" folder in your crawl directory (also here: http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/trees/master/crawl-ref/settings ) 12:25:46 yeah, i found the whole settings folder, been trawling through them trying to find what i need 12:26:19 theres this nice docs folder as well 12:26:57 yeah, that's where the real guide is, apparently :P 12:26:59 http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/trees/master/crawl-ref/settings 12:27:02 dammit 12:27:07 http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/blobs/master/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt 12:27:16 <-- so useless 12:27:59 -!- jpt9 has left ##crawl-dev 12:29:14 Ice cave "ice_cave_small_necro" gives repeat items (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3892) by XuaXua 12:29:32 i think that the problem is that crawls default colors are clashing with all the fancy setups i did to make my term pretty :P 12:30:30 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:35:27 I don't know about mac, but on windows I modify crawl's shortcut with command-line terminal options to make it look good 12:41:19 such as? 12:42:29 well normally the windows terminal launches with the lucida console font, which I'm fine with, but I'm used to playing online with putty and seeing the courier new font, so I modified the shortcut so that the terminal that opens when I launch crawl uses courier new 12:43:27 what arg's do you add? 12:43:38 not sure what terminal mac uses because I'm mac-illiterate, but you might be able to do something similar, especially if mac's terminal is more advanced than windows 12:44:06 mac is pretty much the same as any unix based system 12:44:23 which just enough little changes to completely fuck you over from time to time :P 12:44:53 ah, so then can't you define profiles with different color schemes, and use your normal profile for terminal use and a default-look profile for crawl use? 12:45:17 (which you cannot do on windows) 12:45:26 (at least not with the default terminal) 12:46:08 yeah, though changing the colours on my term doesn't seem to be having the required effect 12:47:03 have you had this problem before? 12:47:05 there should be nothing wrong with the current colours i use, as far as displaying crawl goes, so i just need to figure out which setting maps to the "master background" 12:48:59 init.txt has a background setting, but the problem with that is its not the "master" background 12:49:25 when you play crawl, is the background the same colour as your standard term? 12:49:30 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:33 or is it a highlighted shade? 12:49:59 what colors are giving you issues? can you upload a screenshot? 12:52:32 http://i.imgur.com/TH13i.png 12:52:41 notice how its all grey? 12:53:01 with a thin black border? 12:53:11 yeah, weird, especially the edges 12:53:23 the black border is the normal colour of my term, and for some reason its chucking a grey highlight all over 12:53:36 i've seen other programs do it before, its just never bugged me 12:56:03 and you said you found the background_colour option? 12:57:47 yeah, but that just sets the background colour of all text 12:58:05 oh, damn 12:58:12 i think i know what i'm doing wrong 12:59:53 ok, i just fail at stuff 13:00:05 changing term colours did work 13:00:48 for some stupid reason i set up my colour highlights weird when i first did my term setup, which made things go loopy for crawl 13:01:01 so when i went to edit them, i didn't restart term for them to take effect 13:01:31 still, would be nice to know where in the setting the background is set 13:02:52 oh, so everything works now? :) 13:03:00 (excluding the crash, I guess) 13:07:54 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:39 Wensley: You think galehar talks to himself? 13:09:17 ghallberg: I'm sorry! :) 13:10:23 -!- subwayanim has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:12:49 ghallberg: I am curious as to the details of the new butchery system, though (the mantis isn't very conclusive) 13:17:34 Wensley: As of now the main change is that you don't need to carry a sharp weapon, you will butcher empty handed. I also removed the knife items from the game since they don't serve any purpose with this change. 13:18:29 so the assumption is just that all PCs carry a tiny field dressing knife? 13:18:48 Wensley: Yeah, which is to flimsy to fight with. 13:18:52 except felids who can't operate knifes but have claws and teeth 13:19:07 Anything with claws really but yes. 13:19:19 Trolls or mutated people will use claws as well. 13:19:31 yeah, field dressing knives are pretty tiny and flimsy by nature: http://www.id-rather-be-deer-hunting.com/images/field-dressing-a-deer-04.jpg 13:19:56 i'm pretty sure if its was nessary you could just tear flesh by hand to a certain extent 13:20:08 knives matter even for those with claws (excluding trolls), since gloves block claws but not knives 13:20:11 aren't there unrandarts that are knives? 13:20:14 Wensley: I'm not a hunter, so thanks :) 13:20:26 kilobyte: Yeah I know. 13:20:44 ortoslon: you mean, the Knife of Accuracy? It's a dagger. 13:20:49 ah 13:20:49 ortoslon: I changed the base to dagger, so they/it got buffed. 13:20:51 only the Spriggan's Knife is 13:21:11 Yeah Spriggan's is now a Dagger (not in description though) 13:22:27 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: Jetzt aber...] 13:25:22 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:25:52 Wensely: oh, and yes, everything is working right now, i think 13:26:36 so you can get permanent friendly 1s by polymorphing small abominations from scrolls of summoning 13:26:40 that seems sort of silly 13:26:55 being able to polymorph demons seems sort of silly 13:26:59 yes 13:27:02 are there any unrandart quick blades? 13:27:04 that too 13:27:06 no 13:27:41 skeletal: you might be able to get an answer to your build problem now 13:29:08 does anyone know how to fix an error where make is saying zutil.h is complaining it can't find includes? 13:29:18 on a mac 13:30:25 no 1s from aboms, the max is a rakshasa I think 13:31:11 you'd need to find a vault with mutagenic fog too (unless evaporate is buggy enough to not make them hostile) 13:31:47 http://pastebin.ca/2051660 lists full error if anyones interested 13:31:59 polymorph being permanent is problematic and inconsistent, though 13:32:05 low int stuff doesn't go hostile when you zap/cast at them 13:32:48 i just got 1s from aboms so yeah 13:32:50 aren't rakshasa shapeshifters by nature? 13:32:54 and evaporate doesn't make them go hostile 13:32:54 no 13:32:59 and vaults with mutagenic fog exist 13:33:09 right, I_PLANT 13:33:30 skeletal: you don't have _any_ C/C++ headers 13:33:49 marvinpa: time for scroll of summoning transmuter speedrun I guess! 13:33:59 heh 13:34:24 early permafriendly executioner should speed things up a fair bit 13:34:30 03dolorous * rea30b76e340f 10/crawl-ref/source/book-data.h: Resort the spells in the Book of Fire in ascending order by level. 13:34:42 Ok I want to do this :P 13:35:14 skeletal: lemme check what greensnark told me to do 13:35:54 kilobyte: cool, thanks. I'm just double checking what c/c++ stuff i do have 13:36:27 I see... the makefile is buggy, it tries to force specific directories the compiler doesn't need 13:37:04 make -j4 APPLE_GCC= SDK_VER= CFOPTIMIZE=-O2 13:37:15 (assuming 4 cores) 13:37:54 that will set APPLE_GCC and SDK_VER to empty strings, at least on this flaky hackintosh setup I got it makes things compile 13:38:27 don't worry guys we can polyscum with homuluculus when that goes in 13:39:19 i thought those were going to use fake_abjuration 13:39:38 Cannot toggle cloud spell targeting with : like you can for bolt spells (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3893) by st 13:39:45 apparently potions of exp would give perm ones 13:39:51 kilobyte: awesome, that seems to be working so far 13:39:52 so it would be post zig scumming 13:39:55 aha 13:39:57 sounds good 13:40:17 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:24 -!- bmh has quit [Changing host] 13:40:24 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:29 hmm... actually, you can polyscum just anything that is perma-friendly 13:41:04 fortunately not much is 13:41:18 hard to get anything nearly as good as a 1 normally, also 13:41:21 kilobyte: you should get that commited to INSTALL.txt, we can't be the only ones with that problem 13:41:27 probably crusade card shouldn't give perm allies 13:41:37 then it's just beogh orcs and demons that are an issue 13:41:58 why not just guarantee that poly-friendly will yield a worse monster? 13:42:02 allow polymorphing undead, it would be a yred buff 13:42:08 (for perm friendly) 13:42:22 aboms polymorphing to tiered demons is a bug 13:42:37 but I just checked that tentacles monstrosities are non-tiered demons 13:43:01 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:07 Cerebov the Balrug 13:43:12 also fun 13:43:16 the Giant Imp 13:43:44 '&'s are a tier of themselves -- none being a valid target for polymorphing, too 13:44:01 orcs can get you orbs of fire 13:44:11 what? 13:44:34 orbs of fire are nonliving aren't they 13:44:34 oops wrong, non-living 13:46:30 well, demon polying just seems like it could easily be 0.9's equivalent to mimics to me, in terms of causing loads of new bugs and issues to be solved for very little gain 13:46:46 titans, golden dragons, _splittable jellies_ 13:47:09 galehar: Did you try out my patch? Any thoughts? 13:47:18 @??jelly 13:47:18 jelly (04J) | Speed: 9 | HD: 3 | Health: 15-30 | AC/EV: 0/2 | Damage: 808(acid:7d3) | Flags: amphibious, see invisible | Res: 06magic(12), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 12drown | XP: 22. 13:47:27 you can poly into jellies? 13:47:28 MarvinPA: azures of course 13:47:38 demon polying seems like mimics except with the potential to have bad effects on gameplay 13:47:42 MH_NATURAL 13:47:46 kilobyte: uh, azure jellies don't split 13:48:08 I did notice what may be a mimic bug on CDO 13:48:28 I hit a mimic with tele and it ended up being teleported a few squares away from me 13:48:44 Even though it changed identity, it was still revealed to me as a mimic, but it was non-aggressive 13:49:25 elliptic: oh right, only regular ones. That's still more fodder for scumming, of course. 13:49:41