00:16:04 monqy: summon demon swarm 00:16:23 demonic crawler 00:35:46 -!- NyaaKitty has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 01:00:15 Terpsichore tile (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3475) by Denzi 01:00:17 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:48:30 moin 02:02:25 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:22 03galehar * rd19f4478b88b 10/crawl-ref/ (INSTALL.txt docs/develop/git/quickstart.txt): Some documentation update regarding change of repository. 02:10:36 moin greensnark 02:12:08 Hi 02:12:09 greensnark: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 02:12:12 !messages 02:12:13 (1/1) rwbarton said (4h 27m 25s ago): I have some patches to Henzell (fixing @goodchar), how can I send them to you? 02:12:15 crazy euros, it's bedtime 02:12:32 it's 11:12 and I woke up just half an hour ago :P 02:13:11 where do you live? 02:13:35 st. petersburg, russia 02:14:01 oh, ok 02:19:33 greensnark: by the way, sequell needs to learn about AK abbreviation sometime 02:20:47 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21:08 elliptic: Yes, I'm doing that and cleaning up the config a bit 02:24:14 03galehar * r93c1fba05d99 10/crawl-ref/source/tilepick-p.cc: Fix water walking Beoghite tile being drawn in water. 02:31:42 galehar: Nice touch. :) 02:31:50 greensnark: We have a name! 02:37:15 Keskitalo: ? 02:37:24 I've had a name for quite a while, personally :P 02:37:36 Ohh, sorry, what's her name? 02:38:09 Pihla Vellamo Kalapudas (Kalapudas being the last name) 02:38:27 We need to make her a Crawl contributor soon so we can add the name to credits 02:38:33 I like cool names in credits 02:38:56 hehe (: I thought you'd like it, since you thought mine was cool 02:39:15 "Eino" is too short :) 02:39:17 I should start using my middle name, Viktor 02:39:45 since, I am actually a winning player :P 02:40:02 Oh, is that a requirement for that name? :p 02:40:45 of course I hated it when I was a kid, so I just need such a justification to use it 02:40:52 What does the name mean in Finnish? 02:41:04 Not yours :) 02:41:07 hehe 02:41:58 "Pihla" comes from pihlaja, the rowan tree. "Vellamo" is an old Finnish goddes of the waters. 02:42:51 Ah, nice 02:43:12 And "Kalapudas", well "kala" means fish, and "pudas" means a small island in some specific sort of a body of water 02:43:16 Do you have Rowan trees in Finland? 02:43:39 Yup. 02:43:41 OMG, you named her after carp! 02:43:56 DF tribute? :) 02:44:01 Just kidding :) 02:45:12 I do prefere giant goldfish :P 02:45:30 megagoldfish, you mean 02:45:36 Sorbus aucuparia is the common pihlaja it looks like. 02:46:10 I could live with megagoldfish. Also, we could have minicarp for the shallower dungeon. 02:46:57 Should totally have an Aquarium portal vault btw. 02:47:20 millicarp sounds cooler 02:49:20 agreed 02:50:40 (my name can be translated to "a victor ruling by the sword middle-house" according to a name etymology book here :P) 02:51:07 or is it "with a sword" 02:54:12 greensnark: I'm halfway through the Unseen Academicals btw, also got I Shall Wear Midnight waiting (plus I realized I can get Lords of Light via an interlibrary loan) 02:54:28 hi 02:54:29 Lord of Light, singular :) 02:54:33 There can be only one! 02:54:36 due! 02:54:38 megadue! 02:54:39 hiii 02:54:44 hi due! 02:54:51 greensnark: thanks re: Gitorious, also your suggestion to investiate commit hooks again. 02:54:58 greensnark: I couldn't understand any of it, but Nappking did, so there we go :D 02:55:23 Oh, glad it helped :) 02:55:46 Terpsichore tile <3 02:56:04 Keskitalo, greensnark, http://sprunge.us/TaYh 02:56:07 it has become massive :| 02:56:08 Napkin has been doing a lot of awesome infrastructure work for Crawl 02:56:29 yes, <3 Napkin 02:56:56 UA was kind of slow to get going, kind of overwritten at the beginning and doing too much feelgood mentions about previous characters I thought. But once it focused on the new characters it got good. 02:56:57 due: "Crazy Yiuf's Guide to Hacking Dungeon Crawl" maybe? :) 02:57:03 hah 02:57:17 Unfortunately there are a lot of areas I have to gloss over. 02:57:41 that makes sense, since there are a lot of areas that shouldn't be hacked upon 02:57:45 But I remember how long it took me to learn all of this and to have it in concrete form for other people to use seems useful -- even if it will decay a lot. 02:57:50 Is there a Wordpress link so the markup is rendered? 02:58:10 No, I've been using txt2html with some sed magic myself. 02:58:17 hang on 02:59:33 due: awesome reading 02:59:34 http://wxwhatever.com/due/idiots.html 02:59:50 Maybe wiki links to how to set up msysgit on Windows 03:00:00 Don't we have a page for that on the dev wiki? 03:00:06 possibly do 03:00:15 due: I have a feeling you writing this will help *me* a lot :) 03:00:22 I've got the cold and apparently sitting writing several thousand words worth of waffle make sme feel better 03:00:37 Keskitalo: :) I'm glad. if it helps just one person! 03:01:14 I'm wondering if it should maybe go on the wiki instead 03:01:31 I think this would be great for the wiki, yes 03:01:34 what the hell, 2+ hours on your first character?!? 03:01:39 that way we can update sections as normal 03:01:41 !lg min=start 03:01:42 1358. bookofjude the Conjurer (L7 DECj), killed by your miscasting Bolt of Magma on D:5 on 2009-01-06, with 973 points after 6362 turns and 2:14:07. 03:01:43 bloooooog 03:01:53 I'll post the intro and outro on the blog 03:01:55 cheating :P 03:01:59 but put the actual content on here 03:02:01 due: good idea 03:02:05 er 03:02:06 Yes, the blog-postish things on the blog, the source code walktrhough on the wiki 03:02:07 actual content on wiki 03:02:25 I'm sure there are already errors in my explanations. 03:02:50 Well, even if there are no errors, the code moves so fast it'll be easier to keep docs in sync on the wiki 03:03:06 "thus new how large" -> "knew" 03:04:12 greensnark: yes, exactly 03:05:27 Keskitalo: thanks! I don't think I even had spell checker on 03:20:11 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:22 moin guys! 04:01:32 omg, the greensnarking :D 04:02:29 i was wondering.. any suggestions about "Third-party git-hooks by git mirroring" on c-r-d, greensnark? 04:02:51 Napkin: Oh, c-r-d :) 04:02:57 I, uh, unsubscribed :) 04:03:06 lol 04:03:15 Nice work on the gitorious migration 04:03:18 because of the commit mails I sent there temporarily? ;) 04:03:29 Napkin: Yes, that was one of the reasons :) 04:03:44 But mainly to reduce Crawl distraction during the week 04:04:03 ooooh noooo! 04:04:07 sorry then 04:04:55 I just wanted to raise the pressure a bit to finally get posting access to c-r-c - well, honestly I didn't want to let those emails go to waste 04:04:56 Hey, don't feel bad, it was a good thing :) 04:05:08 And nice work on the gitorious move 04:05:11 yeaahhh.. riiiight :-/ 04:05:22 oh, Jude had all the work ;) 04:05:30 I hear you did all the hook work :) 04:05:32 I was just fiddling with the hooks a bit 04:05:58 forwarded the email - let me know if you have any thoughts? :) 04:06:05 now, coffee first! 04:06:10 Too bad gitorious doesn't offer any hooks. Email and CIA hooks should really be their job 04:06:39 I mean, I can understand them not wanting to give shell access, but they could offer some form of email notify 04:07:39 agreed 04:07:53 well, now they have to suffer a fetch every 2 minutes ;) 04:08:31 prost! 04:08:47 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:08:50 Keskitalo: awesome name! 04:09:09 due: nice first page served from your blog ;D 04:11:53 yaya 04:11:57 er, haha 04:12:00 ooh, there's a name? 04:12:45 16m before you said hi 04:14:05 I can't believe I missed it! 04:14:07 Keskitalo: yes, awesome name :) 04:15:23 thanks, greensnark :) 04:16:39 well, i was thinking... since usually the committer's name is the same as one who pushed, I could set parse the first commit and set "Jude " 04:16:54 Napkin: I was goin gto suggest that 04:21:34 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:50 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:57 <3 alfred hithcock time! 04:50:16 03kilobyte * r42b1a9118546 10/crawl-ref/source/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Denzi's Terpichore tile 04:50:41 Napkin, due, thanks :) 04:51:13 ooh and I picked it too, we had a deal that Pirjo would name if it was a boy 04:52:21 MarvinPA: The new Wz book looks awesome 04:52:47 good call combining them 04:56:09 a (monster) spell that fires off several ioods sounds good.. 04:57:00 ioods explode when they touch each other 04:57:24 yes :> 04:57:39 they can well do a hundred hp damage too, so it would have to be something similar or at least ioods with a very low power 04:58:20 hmm, yeah, i was mostly thinking of homing, slowness and inaccuracy, plus especially the visuals there 04:58:23 baby ioods that merge instead of exploding 05:00:12 or pass through each other 05:01:05 kind of like the mini missile type of weapons in linley's shooters :) 05:01:15 imagine a slow-moving 1/4-circular wave of projectiles 05:01:39 danmaku crawl 05:01:41 haven't seen them, do they move randomly or in a pattern? 05:02:41 lets see 05:02:46 the homing ones? yeah I was thinking like that too 05:02:56 touhou characters as crawl uniques 05:03:06 ortoslon videos to the rescue 05:04:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80O3UZDOGxc 05:04:29 Napkin: The problem with using the first commit is that if several devs push in a short time, the email will be from whoever pushed first, no? 05:04:30 (not actually ortoslon's) 05:06:21 have you played http://insideastarfilledsky.net/ yet? it's the closest that i've seen to a bullet hell roguelike 05:07:57 looks interesting, rohrer too 05:08:34 i liked passage, although someone spoiled it for me, saying anything apparently does so 05:10:56 Keskitalo: i only remember one type of slow homing pack projectiles: worms of torrent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFLPxuA4JaM 05:11:28 (skip to the second half to see them in action) 05:12:00 i posted a hellspider video with worms of anguish 05:12:10 god i like the sounds in these games 05:13:06 star-filled sky has linley-esque sfx too (everything interwined in procedural music) 05:14:06 greensnark: i'm not entirely sure, how the git repositories handle the concurrency - but if they do it properly by locking, only one push can happen at a time. the amount of commits doesn't matter then.. right? 05:15:07 Napkin: But you pull at intervals, and when you pull you get a batch of commits that may be from multiple upstream pushes, no? 05:15:08 so the email would have the committer's name (who pushed) of a pack, I assume 05:15:28 absolutely true, damn 05:15:35 i pull.. hmm.. no chance then :D 05:16:13 well, there must be some disadvantage of the current setup :) 05:16:24 so i guess we found it ;) 05:18:54 at least that's from the table then 05:19:01 *off 05:21:26 Yes, only way to avoid that is per-commit spam, which is ungood :) 05:21:36 Or to have gitorious do its job and add notification support their end :) 05:21:47 hehe, true 05:22:04 Maybe we can move off gitorious in may when my other server is ready? 05:22:19 That's short of doing some deep magic to identify the largest contiguous set of commits with the same committer and posting separate notifications for those 05:22:26 Which I don't think is worth it 05:22:44 hmm tukimaed weapons appear to get ghost damage 1, are they still ignoring spellpower 05:22:51 Napkin: Well, the advantage of using SF or gitorious is that it's not one machine that may get struck by lightning 05:23:04 very true 05:23:11 so you have to host it :> 05:23:25 when git is on mine, you serve the hooks :D 05:23:27 syllogism: "ghost damage 1"? :) 05:23:56 Napkin: Hey, don't rely on me, I'm not going to be around most of the time :P 05:24:11 jaja, I heard you say that before ;) 05:24:20 another ghost.cc entity, are they not? :P 05:24:28 Oh 05:24:32 We should really rename that 05:25:41 "Fix Tukima's Dance ignoring spell power" but it doesn't look like that fixed it 05:26:20 low-power tukima sucks now :( 05:26:39 it's always low-power now, as far as I can tell :P 05:26:46 oh dear 05:26:47 CAO chroot has only 4G free now 05:26:58 it's amusing considering ghost_demon is only used for one ghostly monster 05:27:06 and 1, 2, 3 ... four other non-ghost monsters :) 05:27:14 (dancing weapons, lab rats, pan lords and ugly things) 05:27:17 and soon homunculi 05:28:56 Ok, I'm updating Henzell !apt and friends to 0.8 05:29:01 0.7 players will just have to suffer 05:29:08 But I repeat myself 05:29:23 :) 05:29:56 Cloning 0.8 on CAO takes forever 05:30:23 did i mention yet, that I miss the Paladin job? 05:30:40 rip napa 05:30:51 * greensnark has no comment on gameplay changes. 05:31:13 Megachanges :P 05:31:17 Sorry :P 05:31:18 lol 05:33:10 !wtf DGAK 05:33:12 Demigod Abyssal Knight 05:33:15 hmm now tukima is suddenly working :P 05:33:29 !ftw deep elf abyssal knight 05:33:43 I guess that was too much to ask for 05:33:44 hah 05:33:44 it's the pure presents, syllogism :D 05:33:48 oh it's just tukima's party that's broken 05:33:49 *presence 05:33:50 maybe 05:33:50 mmm alfred hitchcock :D 05:42:18 Tukima's dance party ignoring spellpower (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3476) by syllogism 05:42:36 !ftw deep elf abyssal knight 05:42:36 DEAK 05:42:36 We need TEAK now. 05:42:36 !rng @badchar 05:42:36 The RNG chooses: HuMo. 05:42:36 WHy is that bad 05:42:36 Ok, at least it agrees with the game 05:42:36 !apt Ke 05:42:36 Ke: Air: 3!, Armour: 1, Axes: 1, Bows: 1, Charms: -2, Conj: 3!, Xbows: 1, Dodge: 1, Earth: -3*, Evo: 0, Exp: 130, Fighting: 0, Fire: 1, Hexes: -3, Ice: -1, Inv: -2*, Long: 1, Maces: 1, Nec: 1, Poison: 0, Polearms: 1, Shields: 0, Short: 1, Slings: 0, Splcast: 0, Stab: 1, Staves: 1, Stealth: 0, Summ: 2!, Throw: 1, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -2, Traps: 0, Unarmed: 1! 05:42:36 !apt GE 05:42:36 Could not understand "ge" 05:42:36 !apt fe 05:42:36 Fe: Air: -1, Armour: 0, Axes: 0, Bows: 0, Charms: 2, Conj: -1, Xbows: 0, Dodge: 2, Earth: -1, Evo: -2, Exp: 150, Fighting: 0, Fire: -1, Hexes: 3, Ice: -1, Inv: -1, Long: 0, Maces: 0, Nec: 0, Poison: -1, Polearms: 0, Shields: 0, Short: 0, Slings: 0, Splcast: 0, Stab: 3, Staves: 0, Stealth: 2, Summ: 1, Throw: 0, Tloc: 2, Tmut: 1, Traps: 2, Unarmed: 0 05:42:37 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:43:16 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 05:43:16 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 05:44:45 i watch that show :3 05:45:15 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:46:31 Eronarn: I like the "icicles to pin the target to a wall" a lot, since you need a wall 05:52:00 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:53:00 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:00 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 05:54:24 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:24 syllogism: Erikson is pretty damn good, I'm on Midnight Tides now 05:54:24 Although the book where the Pannion Seer gets offed was rather weak 05:54:29 I loved House of Chains, three cheers for the Toblakai 05:55:08 I haven't been reading much interesting recently 05:55:16 well, Agatha christie for the whole murder-mystery aspect :0 05:56:18 greensnark: and the last book just came out 05:56:29 syllogism: Yeah, saw that 05:56:30 so it actually has an end, unlike some other series :P 05:56:37 Yep! 05:56:45 which author? 05:57:01 For instance we'd probably have to find some form of life-extension technology for GRRM to finish ASoIaF 05:57:09 due: Steven Erikson 05:57:13 Malazan series 05:58:01 It's rather like Crawl, quite hard to get into :) 05:58:31 Gardens of the Moon is like D:2 Sigmund with potion of speed 05:58:40 you dont need to read all those books in order, so just start with the good ones 06:03:17 I'm pretty impressed with the overall quality of writing, although it does swing a fair bit 06:03:17 And that he's actually finished the series :) 06:03:17 Someone said that more happens in one chapter of Erikson than the last 4-5 Wheel of Time books :) 06:03:18 it's pretty good for the genre, yeah 06:03:18 haha, I read those years ago, and gave up 06:03:18 I quit at book 4 or 5, I think, despite even playing a Wheel of Time mud. I still have a mud character from 1998 :P 06:03:18 a Chosen dreadlord, used to be brown ajah aes sedai :P 06:03:18 Haha 06:03:24 The best part of the last WoT books was the parodies 06:03:28 Some of them were brilliant 06:05:38 I couldn't stand Wheel of Time :) 06:06:01 Nor terry Goodkind's series either. 06:06:14 It amused me to no end that they both used a variant of Aes Sedai. 06:10:55 Haha, Goodkind was awesomely dreadful 06:11:16 You'd keep reading in a kind of fascinated horror that anybody could write that stuff 06:11:39 yeah 06:11:44 I starte on the second book. 06:11:53 The whole flaying alive thing kind of horrified me at age 12. 06:12:02 Oh, you started it that early 06:12:03 just ordered the first book 06:12:09 Napkin: What, Goodkind? :P 06:12:12 Don't do it Napkin 06:12:19 You won't emerge unscarred! 06:12:23 yes 06:12:27 nooo, Gardens of the Moon 06:12:34 Terry Goodkind was not good for a twelve year old with a very vivid imagination 06:12:34 :D 06:12:42 also, the faux BDSM obsession? 06:12:45 Jeeeez. 06:13:19 not for myself - i don't have time.. i listen to readings in the car, which isn't available yet, it seems 06:13:23 my mom ;) 06:13:27 *for 06:13:44 Gardens of the Moon takes about 50% of the book just to get started, YHBW 06:14:01 she's been reading fantasy for the last 30 years and i've been looking for a new series for her anyways 06:14:02 Actually it's closer to 70% of the book just to get started 06:14:21 Napkin: Does she know Michael Moorcock? 06:14:31 i don't think so 06:14:42 I used to think NH was cool because of Stormbringer 06:14:52 I'm astonished but not really 06:15:00 it saddens me how few people know of Michael Moorcock 06:15:08 Napkin: get her the Elric novels :D 06:15:11 I found Moorcock because of NH :) 06:15:15 Really? 06:15:18 Yes 06:15:19 I knew Moorcock well before NH. 06:15:34 ... amusingly enough, yet another author I read in my preteens that was slightly distressful in parts. 06:15:39 she's been raymond e feist, mercedes lackey, sharon green, andre norton, etc 06:15:44 *been reading 06:16:02 Well, Moorcock is ... something else entirely, basically. 06:16:09 probably old school but who cares :) 06:16:12 See if you can find The City in the Autumn Stars. :) 06:16:25 i mean, 64, she is old school too ;) 06:16:30 That is definitely one of my favourites :D 06:17:05 i'll ask you again for that title when she doesn't like steven erikson :) 06:17:16 :) 06:17:40 not too much, otherwise I need to get up alone in the morning ;D 06:18:04 not a problem, though, just speaking of these addicted readers ;) 06:18:13 <3 moorcock 06:18:25 syllogism: :D <3 06:18:43 he's apparently got a new Jerry Cornelius novel coming out 06:22:30 I think I've only read Behold the man, The dancers at the end of time, most/all Elric books and the Corum books 06:23:05 Dancers at the End of times is *awesome*. Certainly my most favourite series ever. 06:23:08 yes 06:23:20 Jerry Cornelius is basically a retelling of the first Elric novel, with sci-fi. 06:23:27 Well, the first novel is, rather. 06:25:57 oh he wrote a doctor who novel, tempted to read that :P 06:27:18 -!- Giomancer has left ##crawl-dev 06:38:54 -!- greensnark has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:42:39 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:47:28 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:18 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:13:54 -!- evilmike has quit [] 07:16:48 -!- tigarmo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:37 -!- tigarmo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:20:21 -!- tigarmo_ has quit [Client Quit] 07:20:26 -!- tiago has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:50 damn it 07:24:01 I just spent an uneventful hour reading about WoT on Wikipedia 07:24:03 wtf that is so complicated 07:25:26 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 07:26:40 -!- shockwave has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:24 -!- calavera has quit [Quit: calavera] 07:29:28 -!- calavera has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:05 -!- calavera has quit [Client Quit] 07:30:39 Soo. 07:30:46 Dance Party -> Ball. Any objections? 07:41:19 Tukima's Ball sounds lewd :P 07:41:36 "Dance Party" sounds better? :p 07:42:12 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:32 -!- xyblor_ is now known as xyblor 07:55:14 -!- edlothiol has quit [Quit: edlothiol] 07:55:48 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:11 -!- xyblor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:28 -!- xyblor has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:58:31 -!- xyblor_ is now known as xyblor 08:05:30 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:14:35 -!- GreyKnight has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:04 -!- GreyKnight has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:30:41 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:08 Keskitalo: it'd be a good way to differentiate icicle and imb... or, it could be a new spell 09:33:00 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:37:46 doesn't xom give degeneration a bit too often? 09:39:01 omg.. quit! 09:40:13 + 2x blurry vision + deteriorating body? 09:40:40 that's worse than chaos 09:41:17 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:37 -!- GreyKnight has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:02 due: no objections from me, "Dance Party" sounds too modern 09:59:53 Mu_'s remark is valid, but it's not bad enough IMO 10:00:43 "Dance Party"? 10:00:46 Gala 10:02:20 -!- shockwave has quit [] 10:04:04 meh, "gala" both sound modern to me and doesn't refer to a dance event 10:05:05 is this going to be something in-game? I am curious now 10:05:53 mass Tukima's Dance 10:06:37 tukima's megadance 10:06:44 -!- NyaaKitty has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:47 an unique, Terpsichore, casts it, and it is tentatively a player spell too (Hex 9), although the latter is not that likely to survive 10:06:48 Tukima's Line-Dance 10:08:11 Nice! Are we getting all of the muses? 10:08:20 03kilobyte * rdf1c42ab834d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/gods.txt: Update Okawaru's description. 10:08:22 Hm, Henzell says Terpsichore is an undead?! 10:08:25 Greyknight are you some old crawl person or am I mistaking you with someone else 10:08:55 I used to hang around but I've been off the Internet for an extended period. I think I was last around during the 0.3-->0.4 transition, not sure though. 10:09:03 oh okay so you are him 10:09:06 ghost 10:09:18 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:09:45 it's a curious thing why all ghosts are evil except for one type which is holy, with nothing in between 10:09:51 Is dpeg still obsessed with oklobs? :-) 10:10:06 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:49 I believe so 10:10:54 kilobyte: holy? you mean spirits? 10:10:56 severe awful problem with abyssal knight: "ak" can't spell any words with character combinations 10:11:00 @??spirit 10:11:00 spirit (08p) | 04UNFINISHED | Speed: 4 | HD: 7 | Health: 39-65 | AC/EV: 3/19 | Flags: 08holy, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(37), 03poison, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 66 | Sp: blink away. 10:11:05 I trust this will be fixed immediately 10:11:14 yeah, they're not really ghosts 10:11:22 TGWi: yes that was the first thing I checked when I saw the change :( 10:11:23 ghosts are a specific kind of undead presence 10:11:50 TGWi: severe awful problem with abyssal knight: it sounds terrible, just use chaos knight 10:11:54 GreyKnight: are you the guy who did those sigmund comics 10:11:59 @??Terpsichore 10:11:59 Terpsichore (13p) | Speed: 10 | HD: 18 | Health: 140 | AC/EV: 7/25 | Damage: 30 | Flags: 07undead, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(144), 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2407 | Sp: dance party, swiftness, corona, blink, cantrip. 10:12:29 why is Terpsichore undead and evil, this confuses me. Developers don't like dancing maybe :-D 10:12:50 @?? lich 10:12:50 lich (15L) | Speed: 10 | HD: 20 | Health: 57-97 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Damage: 1513(drain) | Flags: 07undead, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(293), 02cold++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3776 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), teleport self / b.draining (3d24), animate dead, summon undead, throw frost (3d.. 10:12:52 syllogism, I did the first few and managed the website for others to submit to. I think there were only a few ever submitted though. 10:13:06 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:12 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:17 GreyKnight: all undead are automatically evil 10:13:42 But why is she undead in the first place? :-P 10:13:47 which is inconsistent with spirits, yeah 10:13:50 ghost 10:14:18 is there some specific flavor reason she's a ghost? 10:14:45 I can see how you could say that a Muse should be a spirit being of some sort, I just don't see why "evil ghost" particularly. 10:15:06 i could see her as an R 10:15:23 kind of like angels vs demons: the same creature type, all what differs is that one kind is liked by TSO and the other is not 10:15:57 I'm actually going to go look up some Greek mythology stuff now in case I'm missing something about her. 10:16:07 feel like I'm taking crazy pills :-D 10:17:38 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:18:01 the Greek version seems to be a regular god-like creature 10:18:44 (Greek gods have no special innate powers but immortality and eternal youth) 10:22:33 there are like three or four possible genealogies given for them IIRC, but I think most of the end results have them as full goddesses, yeah 10:22:39 demi-goddesses at worst 10:25:59 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:08 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:28 it'd be nice to have a spirit holiness type 10:29:57 for stuff that is not demonic or holy, but is still otherworldly in nature 10:30:42 Muses being a case in point :-) 10:30:48 GreyKnight: sigmund comics? 10:31:08 yes, muses are an obvious example; however, i think we could stand to move rakshasa and efreets there 10:31:12 make them evil spirits, rather than demons 10:31:32 TGWi: http://greyfire.no-ip.org/~sigmund/ 10:31:34 at this point it would not have much of an effect, but it could be used later 10:31:39 only 6 comics ever made :-( 10:32:00 alternately, drop UNHOLY as a monster type, and just have SPIRIT 10:32:05