00:07:40 -!- ZCHRIS13 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:43:30 I feel relatively confident that thi sis correct. 00:43:50 I pity CIA. 00:57:44 argh, it didn't work 00:59:34 Maybe now! 01:00:45 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:01:10 03kilobyte 07master * r013ac4b423fa 10/: A light dimmer. 01:05:05 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.7 * redacb19cd744 10/: Fix a self-referential changelog entry. 01:05:06 03jpeg 07master * rf6fbbe4b6e73 10/: Remove a few 0.7.2 changes from the 0.8 changelog. 01:05:07 03jpeg 07master * r279e7ce59ded 10/: Add a more verbose version of the 0.7.2 change log. 01:05:09 03jpeg 07master * r32b3b7f47b4e 10/: Only print morgue location for local builds. 01:05:10 03jpeg 07master * r9afd2087d5cb 10/: Print morgue path after the score list rather than after "You die..... 01:05:13 03MarvinPA 07master * r7d0d77e548dd 10/: Give hell hogs poison+contam corpses too 01:05:14 03dolorous 07master * r46519ef4d0ef 10/: Clean up Imprison code with regard to Recite. 01:05:16 03dolorous 07master * r00cc28e0cc37 10/: Don't use mprf() when mpr() will do. 01:05:19 03dolorous 07master * r8d1bbf040aeb 10/: Add minor cosmetic fixes. 01:05:20 03dolorous 07master * r25e25d808193 10/: Remove the last gender reference in Zin's Recite messages. 01:05:22 03dolorous 07master * r63f32fb6fe1c 10/: Remove still more gender references in Zin's Recite messages. 01:05:26 03dolorous 07master * r189ce2d3b728 10/: Tweak wording of one of Zin's Recite messages. 01:05:27 03dolorous 07master * r6d045d7365e9 10/: Remove yet more gender references in Zin's Recite messages. 01:05:30 03dolorous 07master * r38aeec2a6531 10/: Remove a few more gender references in Zin's Recite messages. 01:05:33 03kilobyte 07master * rf730a0d3e0de 10/: Add LordBistian's tile for Leda's Liquefaction. 01:05:37 03due 07master * rd3622d988ed0 10/: Update submodules to look at gitorious instead of SourceForge. 01:05:39 03kilobyte 07master * r36d17362ca11 10/: Fix monster halos not appearing immediately after save restore. 01:05:40 03kilobyte 07master * r7a721d9081e4 10/: Make LOS reducers multiplicative rather than additive. 01:07:42 o_O 01:07:52 What? 01:08:02 lots of stuff :O 01:08:08 Still need to do emails. 01:08:19 i feel bad for the people who have had to clean up my recite code :( 01:08:53 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:10:02 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:13:04 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:18 I'm hoping emails will be slightly easier. 01:14:29 multiplicative los reduction what 01:16:12 how does that even work? what's lantern of shadows plus nightstalker 2 01:16:28 los range 4.5? 01:22:52 http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/7a721d9081e493bbfa224cb526cef47a290bb31c 01:48:03 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:57:42 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:31 moin 02:05:25 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:06:01 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:01 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 02:14:09 Zaba: just CIA 02:14:19 I'm stil working on emails, but they should be much, much easier. 02:22:11 I see 02:22:59 basically there are no hooks 02:23:08 so I've writtne a script to snag the info form Gitorious via ATOM. 02:23:14 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:31:32 moin 03:39:42 hii Napkin 03:39:57 hey due! 03:43:35 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45:20 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:13:52 -!- evilmike has quit [] 04:17:06 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:33 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:44:06 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:49:03 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:53:43 hi deepleg 04:54:12 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:58:09 Hi 04:58:25 how's things? 04:58:28 We've got CIA up and running again :) 05:00:06 oh nice 05:06:04 due: so you're harvesting that from a cron job? 05:06:12 kilobyte: yes 05:06:23 it's runnong on CDO 05:06:33 ~/source/dcss-gitorious-cia 05:27:12 The tile of raven and magic (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3428) by Denzi 05:52:51 -!- frogfrog has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:00 Oh man, and now there's a tile for the demon axe :D 06:09:58 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:33 -!- frogfrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:14:14 "For example, in Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup I recall having to exit the inventory screen in order to check my health, when you'd certainly want to see your health when choosing healing items to consume. Nothing to do with context, just common sense to see current status when applying status related items." 06:14:22 http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=17629.msg509557#msg509557 06:14:31 was that suggested before? 06:26:19 Apparently nobody has an issue with it? 06:26:24 Or at least if they do they do not complain about it? 06:30:26 in general I check my health before wondering about quaffing healing items 06:32:31 ahaha the OP of that thread is incredible 06:32:46 I'm unsure I want to click 06:33:17 In my 20+ years of gaming and game developing, I have only recently heard of this term ["roguelike"]. What exactly does it mean and why is everyone suddenly making or attempting to make these? All I know (or assume) is that these are procedurally-generated dungeon crawlers that are sometimes done in ASCII, like the (assumed) grandfather of this genre; Dwarf Fortress. 06:35:24 <3 06:35:47 "20+ years of gaming and game developing"! 06:36:03 Hey, hey! I started writing games when I was 5, can I claim 18 years+ experience in gamin and developing? 06:39:07 what? DF is the grandfather of roguelikes? 06:41:52 These statements are just awesome :) 07:00:40 sounds like a troll 07:01:04 or at the very least, a poe 07:06:18 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 07:08:46 never attribute to trolling that which can be adequately explained by ignorance :P 07:10:05 03 07master * r709ee15529a5 10/: Fix terrain not applied when clinging actor fall from a removed wall. 07:10:07 03 07master * rf2468ef25876 10/: Document the clinging functions. 07:10:08 03 07master * r1fd3fbe47a70 10/: Better description for Azure jelly (minmay). 07:10:30 hm 07:10:40 due, that looks somewhat broken 07:25:30 RjY: he's not a troll (i know him) 07:26:36 Can someone guide me to the new git stuff? 07:26:43 I should have some time to set it up now. 07:28:08 dpeg_: i think you just need to change the url of your remote and then pull as usual. i'm not sure about pushing though. 07:28:14 ok 07:30:51 * RjY finds log 07:30:53 17:41:31 basically 07:30:53 17:41:56 git remote set-url origin git@gitorious.com:crawl/crawl.git 07:30:53 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:31:09 apparently he sent an email explaining this 07:31:11 just did that 07:31:12 yes 07:33:03 How do I set up this publickey business? 07:33:10 * dpeg_ feels like a moron every time :( 07:34:37 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:18 ah. i don't know that. 07:35:28 don't worry 07:35:34 the faq says why you need to do it but not how :P 07:38:05 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:07 03 07master * r5a327252907b 10/: Properly fix clicks counted twice. 07:48:29 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:50:30 due: it fails to show commiter's name 08:30:23 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:39:05 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:08 03kilobyte 07master * ra077bd195da4 10/: Allow OBJ_STAVES to get the "equipped" item prefix 09:00:09 03kilobyte 07master * r4437d5930bbd 10/: Demon axe unrandart 09:00:11 03kilobyte 07master * r2e938430c081 10/: Add co's tiles for the demon (obsidian) axe. 09:00:12 03kilobyte 07master * ra77eecc3c9a6 10/: Move the tile for Portal to UNUSED/ 09:00:15 03kilobyte 07master * r853564afd7ba 10/: Add Denzi's tile for Passage of Golubria. 09:00:41 doesn't say the file either 09:01:01 right 09:01:14 and uses the person who pushed rather than the actual committer 09:01:30 this one is debatable, though 09:09:51 well, that't the info we have to live with 09:10:25 this is, to be precise: http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.atom 09:28:56 oops, kilobyte? 09:29:08 GEN main 09:29:08 Error (dc-unrand.txt:71): couldn't load image 'demon_axe'. 09:29:08 Error (dc-item.txt:17): include failed. 09:29:13 --- 09:29:33 could you have a look, please? wanted to get a click-fixed build 09:30:34 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:41 ah, it overwrote my changes to rltiles/dc-unrand.txt 09:45:06 03kilobyte 07master * r508527f81a0b 10/: Fix reference to demon axe's tile. 09:45:47 awesome, thanks :) 09:46:53 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:54:57 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:02:45 Windows development builds on CDO updated to: 0.8.0-a0-5207-g508527f 10:08:01 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:42 dpeg_: it's not just you. security researchers have looked into it - public keys are ridiculously hard for people to actually understand + properly use :) 10:08:46 they're not at all intuitive 10:08:54 really? 10:09:01 yes, really 10:09:15 but they make perfect sense 10:10:10 and, i would beg to differ that those were "security researchers" 10:13:24 Why Johnny Can't Encrypt: A Usability Evaluation of PGP 5.0 http://www.gaudior.net/alma/johnny.pdf 10:13:41 i know for a fact one of them is a security researcher because I applied to the program he is in ;) 10:16:15 the key quote - 10:16:18 The analysis 10:16:19 found a number of user interface design flaws that may 10:16:19 contribute to security failures, and the user test 10:16:19 demonstrated that when our test participants were given 10:16:19 90 minutes in which to sign and encrypt a message 10:16:21 using PGP 5.0, the majority of them were unable to do 10:16:23 so successfully. 10:16:42 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:27 so, when was this "study" written? 10:20:30 probably early 1999, looking at the citations 10:20:53 it's also kind of rude to refer to it as a "study" - it was conducted by two people at academic institutions and has been cited hundreds of times 10:21:33 i'm sorry, but you can enroll in a university any-time and publish whatever you want.. you do know that, right? 10:22:21 ... 10:24:09 Tweaked monster descriptions (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3429) by minmay 10:26:05 i read a thing once that said public keys are actually more like locks 10:26:28 I called it "study" because I didn't want to call it just a "paper". what do you call them in native tongue then, Eronarn? 10:26:40 you make a key and a lock, and you put the lock on an account you want to be able to log into 10:26:54 and the key is the only thing that can open the lock 10:27:03 it made a lot of sense to me 10:27:38 well, for ssh yes.. but how to transfer that to encrypted email? 10:28:04 Napkin: study is fine, "study" implies sarcasm/doubt 10:28:44 well you encrypt with a public key right? and the only thing that can decrypt is the corresponding private key. so encrypting with public key is putting the lock on the thing 10:28:58 RjY: what about when you use your private key to encrypt something? :) 10:29:04 oh well i don't know 10:29:22 i don't even have a pgp key, the damn thing wouldn't accept "RjY" for my real name 10:29:32 everything right then :) 10:29:35 5 characters or more my ass 10:29:36 it's not unmanageably complex or anything, it's just a lot more complex than it needs to be for people to adopt it on a wide scale and use it properly 10:30:04 03kilobyte 07master * r177fad8ccef8 10/: Clear demon's axe effect on unwield. 10:30:05 03kilobyte 07master * r6542a9cba64d 10/: Formatting fixes. 10:37:31 -!- shockwave has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:08 03kilobyte 07master * re7299fc11d38 10/: Minmay's monster description updates. 11:16:28 -!- Keskitalo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:21 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:49 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:06 03jpeg 07master * r1c5e72ab029b 10/: Add Denzi's raven tile, lightened up a bit. 11:50:23 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:26 -!- ais523_ has quit [Changing host] 11:50:26 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:26 -!- ais523_ has quit [Changing host] 11:50:26 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:19 -!- ais523_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:04:27 -!- Moriasc has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 12:08:21 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:39 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:33 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:34:46 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:26 i7z1234566789~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~äüpöl-..kpiuüäöääää 12:35:57 agreed 12:37:09 so.. 12:37:23 regarding metal levels in lair. Do they need to be removed? 12:39:19 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:35 or, perhaps, we want to keep occasional fully stone or metal levels only in D? 12:41:16 at the moment it's tied to _plan_main, so it can occur on any level that uses that... maybe it'd make more sense to tie it to a branch (like D) or several? 12:41:24 dpeg_, any thoughts? 12:44:52 Game crashes upon load (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3430) by TheDark 12:49:32 tying it to D and not a layout would mean D could have metal orc-like levels 12:49:36 which would be even worse 12:51:11 what about making the lair level ruiner replace metal walls with rock/stone? 12:52:08 the mechanic of those random stone/metal walls is quite mind-boggling, working around it would be criminal 12:52:56 I mean, choosing levels that are affected by it by the fact they're generated by _plan_main is highly arbitrary 12:53:48 Lair is a ruined dungeon so it seems fine to me it has metal sections 12:54:04 st_: yeah, but ruined metal looks weird 12:54:21 I don't care. If somebody tells me that it needs fixing, I'll try to fix it :P 12:54:39 what if you don't ruin the metal 12:54:40 if nobody tells me that, I'll just idly ponder how I could fix it :P 12:54:41 maybe the metal levels could be preserved instead of ruined then 12:55:00 but ruined levels are so cool 12:55:13 shrug 12:56:35 the status quo concerns _me_ only from the technical perspective. I'd have to get somebody else to figure out such things as gameplay and theme :P 13:04:57 Bug fixes for the demon axe (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3431) by 78291 13:18:28 -!- shockwave has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:22:08 -!- shockwave has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:47 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:37 !tell Zaba Either way is okay. It's mostly a theme thing, and status quo is not incredibly outrageous, imo. 13:40:38 dpeg_: OK, I'll let Zaba know. 13:40:43 -!- dpeg_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:46:51 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:30 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:14 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:06 03jpeg 07master * r8d5a0743cfad 10/: Add co's tiles for Ashenzari's sensed monsters. 14:46:29 -!- TGWi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:53:09 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:32 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:15:06 03kilobyte 07master * r1eacdc086848 10/: Make it less likely the demon axe will trap the player. 15:39:43 -!- shockwave has quit [] 15:45:39 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:05 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:52:47 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:38 -!- galehar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:30 it seems like undead stuff is always clinging now? maybe it was before and I didn't notice 16:10:02 there's a clinging deep dwarf skeleton in tomb and it's not even near a wall 16:11:18 "magical staves and rods" should be listed right under "weapons" imo 16:12:00 or weapons, missiles, staves and rods 16:12:18 since their purpose is to be wielded in combat and used to attack 16:25:21 -!- |eith| has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:58 Tutorial assumes sickness is from contaminated chunks (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3432) by 78291 16:27:59 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:40:04 03jpeg 07master * rf366486c2622 10/: Add Curio's mangrove tiles. 16:50:36 03kilobyte 07master * r720f91eb842b 10/: Curio's updates to Donald's tile; added weapon overlay. 16:50:37 03kilobyte 07master * rd1cd4660112c 10/: Replace Joseph's plate-clad tile with coolio's studded leather one. 16:50:37 03kilobyte 07master * re8cead29fe8d 10/: coolio's tile for Mennas. 16:51:47 -!- |eith| has quit [Quit: sleep] 17:06:30 Morning 17:06:59 kilobyte: Hm, who were those commits by? 17:10:16 Oh, galehar. 17:10:20 But "galehar". 17:13:55 Okay, that code needs fixing. 17:15:31 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:41 Okay 17:35:46 !tell zaba Fixed it, thanks. 17:35:47 due: OK, I'll let zaba know. 17:35:52 -!- joosa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:07 !tell kilobyte Hopefully that fixed it. I still need to deal with pushing new branches, merging, tagging and annotated tagging though. 17:36:07 due: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 17:36:17 Actually, speaking of 17:36:25 I should probably send an email. 17:37:09 due: should I try pushing some merges? 17:39:17 -!- joosa has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:01 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:25 what is macro_userfn supposed to do, if it was implemented 17:50:05 03jpeg 07master * reecc0bd6db79 10/: Move tree tiles into subdirectory dc-dngn/trees. 17:50:51 kilobyte: I don't think it'll do anything 17:51:08 kilobyte: but if you do push a merge let me know, so I can grab a snapshot of the atom feed and have somethign to work with 17:51:14 (otherwise I was goign to use the gitorious-cia project feed) 17:53:34 I don't have any merges with actual content, but we may update any side branch to current master. 17:53:46 Yes, good idea 17:53:50 I am just in at work however 17:54:08 so I won't really be able to do anything major for the next 10 hours or so 17:54:13 also, I just sent a dev-wide update 17:58:36 got a crapload of partial commits on unicode, so I'm pushing an empty merge on octopus 18:00:10 03kilobyte 07octopus * r24c392e4bc1e 10/: Merge branch 'master' into octopus 18:01:17 seems to work correctly, doesn't show commits already seen elsewhere 18:01:37 Oh good 18:01:46 :D! Hooray! 18:01:59 Well, it's basically parsing the Atom feed. 18:02:08 IF the atom feed only sows the merge notice, that's all it'll send. 18:02:24 Branch creation, deletion and tagging, etc, will need to be looked at. 18:03:28 Anyway, that's me out 18:03:32 See my email for more info! 18:04:45 where is greensnark these days? 18:14:51 Hm 18:15:01 Mu_: busy with work I presume 18:15:05 03 07master * r048ab95758cf 10/: Update instructions for Gitorious->CIA gateway. 18:15:08 Argh. 18:15:10 ah 18:15:20 Okay, that's still buggy. 18:17:01 Mu_: sitting in a corner somewhere going "don't talk to me i'm retired"! heh, sorry, i'm joking of course 18:41:16 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:06 -!- Vandal has quit [] 19:11:26 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:53 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:53 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:25:48 our keyboard input code (*getch*) is worse than Win95's source 19:25:58 if you want to see mess most unholy, look no further 19:26:19 (giving up for today, bye) 19:27:54 -!- Twinge has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:32 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:04 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:45:28 kilobyte: getch is horrifying on so many levels. especially curses and keypad :/ 19:57:01 crash after death with open files exceeded message (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3433) by ohmi 19:58:02 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:58:36 ahhh 19:58:42 i do not understand why it works locally and not on cdo 20:06:22 Okay, I fixed that final issue hopefully 20:09:52 I thiiink 20:10:23 now back to work! 20:25:04 03dolorous 07master * ra9a023342475 10/: Reorganize dc-corpse.txt to account for moving 'I' to dc-mon/animals. 20:48:11 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:48:38 -!- timecircuits has quit [Quit: timecircuits] 20:51:08 -!- jbenedetto has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:38 -!- felirx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:10:36 -!- felirx has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:45 Remove attempts to place uniques on D:1 (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3434) by MrMisterMonkey 22:31:40 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47:30 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:57:40 monqy: <3 23:37:23 Windows development builds on CDO updated to: 0.8.0-a0-5220-ga9a0233 23:41:15 meownced (L17 NaEE) ASSERT(you.see_cell(p)) in 'directn.cc' at line 1186 failed. (D:17) 23:54:20 Unstable branch on CDO updated to: 0.8.0-a0-5220-ga9a0233 (32)