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(https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3413) by b0rsuk 04:26:37 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:19 hi deep leg 04:27:39 (deep leg is deep throat's younger sibling, who has the missing minutes from the watergate tapes) 04:28:54 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:28:57 hi 04:46:18 b0rsuk is active on the wiki again 04:46:28 and btw, some days ago rob replied on Mantis 04:54:03 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:45 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:05:30 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:01 Yred gives piety for killing dancing weapons, this means Tukima's Dance should be disallowed for believers, right? 05:10:11 sorry, I am dense -- why? 05:14:08 he currently hates artificial beings, and rewards destroying them -- so creating new ones doesn't seem to be good behaviour for his followers 05:14:26 moin 05:14:49 * kilobyte meows at Zaba. 05:15:50 what up 05:20:39 if you're going that route he probably shouldn't like sticks to snakes either 05:21:13 and several of the zot defense abilities? 05:22:11 I'm not sure if I like this part, it doesn't really sounds like something fitting a god who's about animating dead bones 05:23:22 I can certainly imagine necromancers and artificiers hating each other, due to competition for a similar role (animating the previously living vs. animating the completely inanimate) 05:23:41 but then, hating dancing weapons but not creation of new ones seems inconsistent, so these two dislikes should come together IMO 05:24:23 from the desc: "Destroying artificial beings is also favoured, as they are neither truly alive nor subject to death or undeath." 05:25:22 kilobyte: best to propose this on c-r-d, and let dolorous cover it 05:29:08 yawn 05:29:08 I don't see why "god hates" = "god rewards for destroying" 05:29:08 due: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 05:29:11 three? 05:29:13 !messages 05:29:13 (1/3) due said (3d 5h 2m 38s ago): Fix all the vorpal stuff. 05:29:16 !messages 05:29:16 kiku gives piety for demon kills 05:29:16 (1/2) timecircuits said (2m 46s ago): I don't, actually... did I ever do that? 05:29:22 !messages 05:29:23 (1/1) timecircuits said (2m 40s ago): Lock all of my runes in Zot, that is. 05:29:52 okawaru gives piety for anything that leaves a corpse; doesn't mean he hates living things more 05:30:03 locking runes in Zot is never fatal 05:30:25 ... uhm wrong, after picking up but dropping the Orb it is 05:30:51 kilobyte: Yes, I know. 05:31:04 kilobyte: But turnerjer locked their runes in Zot and had to go and do Pan to get more. 05:31:11 This predates the permaunlock of Zot. 05:31:43 is Zot permaunlocked? I was sure you need the runes all the time... 05:31:51 Not any longer. 05:31:56 Oh 05:32:03 I mean, unlocking it once unlocks it permanently. 05:32:04 at least Xom likes it a lot if you leave with not enough runes 05:32:12 Previously you had to have three runes at all times to enter. 05:32:15 do you still need three /unique/ runes to enter Zot? 05:33:46 due: I checked, you're right 05:34:16 timecircuits: you never needed unique ones, I usually stash them all on D:1 upstairs and run around with three demonics to conserve slots 05:34:47 I'm goign to pretend I have a life outside of work. 05:35:07 Deciding to accomplish stuff from home for the week? Bad. I find myself still doing work stuff at 9:30pm :/ 05:35:22 although, indeed, I now see I didn't need them :p 05:35:45 due: yeah, known problem 05:35:55 you can make up for it by doing Crawl stuff from work :p 05:36:04 -!- cw_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:37:05 my boss asked me to do some "small jobs" while I'm home sick 05:37:41 which I flatly refused to do, being that I'm on pretty powerful painkillers, and any code I write is NOT going to be pretty 05:43:29 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 05:43:49 I can't push :( 05:43:56 Can't exec "/usr/sbin/sendmail": Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type at ./hooks/crawl-ref-cia line 283. 05:44:15 error: hook declined to update refs/heads/master 05:44:25 sourceforge is broken again 05:44:33 damn 05:47:01 this is a guess, but, if you took this line out of crawl-ref-cia 05:47:03 die "$0: sendmail exit status " . ($? >> 8) . "\n" unless ($? == 0); 05:47:23 then failure to send out a mail would not block the commits actually going through. 05:47:32 i'm just guessing, though 05:48:26 well, there's various die()s in the hook script that shouldn't really be fatal errors that block commits 05:49:29 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:49:37 although, that's weird, it's meant to be a post-commit hook, which isn't supposed to be able to block commits since it is run after they are made 05:57:33 a lot of other projects also have this problem 05:58:34 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:38 sourceforge likes to break stuff 06:13:36 -!- galehar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:22:27 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 06:30:13 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20101227155314]] 06:31:20 Would it be feasible to move trunk to CDO as well? 06:35:14 Napkin: could you s/0.7.1/0.7.2/ on CDO login screen, and manually copy the tournament sprint map in? 06:35:29 I didn't include it in 0.7.2 since it needs several new tiles 06:36:40 dpeg: you mean trunk to cao? 06:37:04 no, I mean moving the repository away from SF 06:38:26 i think Napkin would need to set up the necessary ssh and git-shell/gitosis/gitolite magic 06:38:56 ah 06:39:59 it's certainly possible though, there's already a read-only mirror on cdo that would just become the master 06:40:29 he has already, RjY 06:40:46 * RjY says, wittering on like i know what i'm talking about... 06:41:10 Napkin: oh right, that's good, i remember you saying a fewmonths back you'd have to investigate how to do it 06:41:39 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:43:19 Napkin: Great. So how reasonable would fully moving to your servers be? 06:43:25 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:36 I 06:43:56 I'm currently moving to a new one - let's bring that discussion up again in May? 06:44:37 will do! 06:44:59 :) 06:46:09 hooray for autonomy or whatever 06:49:21 heh, just found an orb of zot in 100rogues :D 06:49:43 you all will once experience the cruel taste of freedom, I promise you! 06:49:49 usable magic item to grant you one skill or make you lose 4mp 06:50:01 * bhaak checks if his sourceforge chains are still shiny 06:50:03 hehe, bhaak 06:50:30 kilobyte - so you updated 0.7 already on CDO? 06:50:43 i don't understand "I didn't include it in 0.7.2 since it needs several new tiles 06:51:09 " - how will the copied over map (which file?) work if the tiles are missing? 06:51:41 dpeg: it's quite reasonable. just a bit more work for you guys - since there is no webinterface to upload ssh keys 06:53:07 I'm currently trying to find out what os-level virtualizing software to use... vserver is kinda deprecated, but lxc is quite young and also presents me with some problems in connection with hetzner. 06:55:47 Napkin: I mean, including the map in the official release with no tiles would be bad -- semi-passable for the uniques, outright bad for quad damage, and adding them would disturb tile enums unless we do some serious hackery 06:56:05 ah, yes, sorry, of course 06:56:06 it's not an issue for CDO or CAO due to the great tile support on the servers 06:56:14 indeed :D 06:56:24 i'm cleaning up a bit, one sec 06:58:50 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:02:33 what's the filename again, kilobyte? 07:03:00 sprint_mu.des? 07:03:33 not sure in 0.7, in 0.8 it's sprint_mu 07:03:48 if that's the only file that needs copying? 07:04:04 it was definitely missing 07:04:09 compared to the previous 0.7 07:04:10 should be enough 07:04:53 dgl updated too 07:06:39 yay, it works! 07:09:50 hi 07:15:15 due would you accept a wizlab featuring a rainbow wizard with chocolate golem and glitter dragons and so on 07:15:25 :p 07:16:33 u 07:16:35 er 07:16:36 um 07:16:38 dpeg may killme? 07:17:51 wizards are too predictable :P 07:18:25 should prolly try and get another named wizlab done 07:18:46 i'll do the ozo one i had in mind 07:19:21 :D yay 07:20:44 what with Tukima the unique? I haven't hear better proposals than renaming her to Terpsichore and leaving the wizlab as-is. 07:21:35 ye i think that's best 07:22:20 i think you should leave the named wizards out of the game in general really 07:24:23 What's behind "Terpsichore"? 07:24:53 she's the greek muse associated with dance 07:24:56 i don't know but it's funny! 07:25:20 sounds good to me 07:25:55 One of you has to code dancing dancing weapons for me then :) 07:26:23 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 07:26:42 galehar: trouble with connection? 07:27:03 no, trouble with sf 07:28:08 if we're lucky, Napkin will allow us to move from SF to his server with the official repository 07:28:36 "a wizlab featuring a rainbow wizard with chocolate golem and glitter dragons and so on" please do this!! 07:29:02 -!- MarvinPA|2 is now known as MarvinPA 07:30:30 need due to make me a dragon that breathes clouds of chaos 07:30:32 :P 07:30:52 not a big task 07:31:28 We're all about toenail golems, not chocolate. 07:31:45 oooh 07:31:48 terpsichore is good for me 07:39:45 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:09:49 kilobyte: Well, the branch prefix code really has little to do with the LEVEL_DUNGEON stuff. 08:10:06 Specifically for speech, that is. 08:14:19 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14:25 are the sf problems related to the recent upgrade? 08:15:14 probably... 08:15:34 none of the trac tickets got an official answer yet 08:16:31 IIRC SourceForge has its offices in west-coast US, so let's give them some more time 08:41:03 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:26 what's the problem? 08:47:52 as i understand it, commits are being refused because a hook script is returning an error when it tries to send mail 08:48:07 arg 08:48:18 and it 08:48:32 and it's not even our hook (although we might be able to disable it) 08:49:03 it's possible something else is wrong too 08:52:22 they are rolling out a new look for project pages 08:52:24 http://sourceforge.net/projects/crawl-ref/ 08:52:29 maybe it's related 08:52:50 new design? Again? 08:53:17 why can't they focus on getting the infrastructure to work without breakages instead of rererereredesigning. 08:55:28 They sent an email yesterday. Subject is: Project web service changes for your projects 08:55:45 -!- cw_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:55:45 they can't even use up-to-date buzz words 08:56:01 I want cloud computing for my sf project! 08:56:43 the correct buzzword for that would be 'IN THE CLOUD!!!!21`1' 09:05:14 -!- dazzle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:06:32 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:16 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:41 Manticore quote contradicts description (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3414) by camino 10:06:22 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:56 I don't like the exercise of victory dancing crusaders have become 10:38:12 -!- Icelos has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:30 nyaakitty (L17 KoBe) (Vault:5) 11:00:49 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:03:11 Repeated crashes in shaol (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3415) by knakamo 11:15:02 -!- Icelos has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:20:43 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:48:25 shield does not return when dex recovers from zero (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3416) by xyblor 12:06:06 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:31 -!- cw_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:41 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:47 Hi. It seem's 7.2 has been tagged. Is this an official release? As I am maintaining the FreeBSD I would be interested if it's worthwile to update the port or if 8.0 is due anytime soon. 12:12:25 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:36 it's an official release 12:25:39 0.8 is due in a month or two, I believe 12:34:34 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:44 well i guess i will wait until 8.0 is out then. thanks. 12:46:13 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:25 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 13:08:49 Ashenzari experience transfer ability issue and creature kills crash (limit?) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3417) by Kaamos 13:54:42 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:29 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:58:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:11 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:54 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:48 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:57:00 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:26 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17:47 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:58:05 kilboyte: around? 15:58:10 how can I edit a save file? 15:59:51 crawl --edit-save 15:59:59 followed by a bunch of subcommands 16:00:13 i think --edit-save help workks 16:01:32 all you can really do to actually *edit* a save though is pull chunks out as binary blobs and put them back in 16:02:01 ok 16:02:24 I think I'll edit tags.cc so that it write the savefile how I want it to :) 16:10:09 I want a save editors :) 16:16:35 any news on sourceforge? 16:16:46 Don't know 16:18:25 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:24 Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 10 commits. 16:19:27 :) 16:19:51 https://sourceforge.net/blog/update-on-scm-services/ 16:20:06 "as mentioned above, outbound email is not functional so any script utilizing this will fail. If you need to send outbound email, a workaround would be to use curl and and external site or Project Web to send the email." 16:20:59 yeah 16:21:06 we need to log in and nuke the CIA script 16:21:17 bhaak: thanks 16:29:02 I tried editing ./source/crawl-git/crawl-ref/git-hooks/crawl-ref-cia but it didn't seem to work 16:29:25 it won't 16:31:01 so, what can we do then? 16:31:29 i'm fixing it, hang on 16:31:34 cool :) 16:31:38 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:31:45 you'll need to do a test puh for me thoug :) 16:32:25 which is the hook that fails? 16:32:40 Cannot execute /usr/sbin/sendmail : 0 at ./hooks/crawl-ref-cia line 283. 16:32:44 ah, both of them 16:33:32 okay, push? 16:34:17 hooks/update: line 18: ./hooks/crawl-ref-cia: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type 16:34:26 which means no file or directory of this type 16:35:07 hm 16:35:16 must've typo'd 16:35:54 try now? 16:36:24 it works 16:36:26 thanks :) 16:37:18 no commit hooks or anything 16:37:23 we will need to come up with a better solution 16:37:52 well, they will fix sf someday 16:38:15 i'd wait till the attack fallout and project web migration fallout has settled 16:39:12 bhaak: yes but no c-r-c emails and no CIA irc hooks :/ 16:40:19 rss feed as temporary work around? 16:40:44 Might need to. 16:42:29 your hooks are in perl aren't they? write or find some code that sends mail using Net::SMTP instead of calling sendmail directly 16:42:38 i think Net::SMTP is a standard perl module 16:42:41 hm 16:43:01 they said all outgoing SMTP is disabled 16:43:05 would tihs include Net::SMTP? 16:43:24 * RjY shrugs :-) 16:43:50 depends what they mean by disabled, i mean if outgoing port 25 is blocked you're screwed either way 16:44:11 let me find out 16:44:23 outgoing port 25 is not blocked 16:44:50 what's the syntax for determining if a perl module is available? 16:46:04 i guess if you "use Net::SMTP;" and it goes "Can't locate Net/SMTP.pm in @INC" then it can't find it 16:46:58 both "echo 'use Net::SMTP' | perl" and s/use/require/ had no issues 16:47:25 Well, hopefully some guru will rewrite our scripts :) 16:47:40 I need to get some work done... /me moves to work PC. 16:57:38 -!- cw_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:01:01 I'm considering adding a ground_level() method to actor which returns !airborne() && !clinging 17:01:08 I think it would help simplify the code 17:01:35 if anyone can think of a better name for it 17:01:45 but this one is ok I guess 17:01:46 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:56 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:09 http://crawl-ref.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p\x3dcrawl-ref/crawl-ref;a\x3datom;opt\x3d--no-merges 17:08:19 feed for commit messages 17:08:44 there are other formats too here: http://crawl-ref.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=crawl-ref/crawl-ref 17:09:14 for ground_level, maybe just "on_ground" ? but it doesn't really matter 17:15:01 it returns true when you're in water. That's why I felt like ground_level was more appropriate. 17:15:31 Nemelex disappointed with trowel card (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3418) by Tenaya 17:18:30 Did my email to the list go through? 17:18:51 yep 17:18:54 I even answered 17:19:00 ah :) 17:19:08 I don't have access to that account on this PC 17:19:11 well, I do, but laziness prevails 17:19:43 anyway, I've just sent the same links about feeds I pasted here 17:20:20 http://news.gmane.org/gmane.games.roguelike.crawl.devel there you go :-P 17:20:34 it's right at the top :-) 17:21:26 anyway, bedtime 17:21:28 bye 17:21:29 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20101227155314]] 17:21:39 well 17:21:46 it's c-r-discuss, not c-r-devel. 17:23:49 there's kind of a faq about that 17:23:51 "I wanted the group to be called gmane.comp.fabuloze.haczkers, but you called it gmane.comp.cms.fabuloze.devel. 17:23:54 Yes. We try to give group names that are logical and consistent, so that Gmane users can find the relevant groups. In particular, this means that "-dev", "-devel", "-development", "-hackers" and the like all become ".devel"; "-help" and "-users" become ".general" or ".user", depending on how many lists there are; and "-svn", "-commits" and the like become ".cvs". " 17:24:24 c-r-devel is an internal private mailing list :) 17:24:28 that is amusingly enough, now defunct 17:24:48 oh yeah, is that the one where you talk about who should get commit access 17:24:50 it was previously used to discuss who got commit access. the latter now takes place in private email correspondance instead of on a list 17:24:56 yup 17:25:22 basically it usually goes "oh hey has eben submitting lots of patches and i'm sick of committing them, can someone add them to the project?" 17:31:29 -!- timecircuits has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:49 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:54:52 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:01:19 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 18:51:36 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:00:22 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:42 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 19:11:55 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:24:44 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:32:03 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:30 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:08:09 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:10 -!- timecircuits has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:21 we could solve our current sf problems pretty easily with a hosting change 21:20:03 I agree 21:24:41 -!- due has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:30:21 -!- st_ has quit [*.net *.split] 21:30:22 -!- Iainuki has quit [*.net *.split] 21:31:52 -!- m1nced has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:47 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:24 -!- due has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:03 -!- Iainuki has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:05 -!- m1nced has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51:35 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:03 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:19 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:38 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 23:45:33 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection]