00:22:06 greensnark: give your hetzner a use and setup termcast already :) 00:22:43 Hey, it has a use. It's not meant for Crawl though :P 00:23:02 due: sure, if you make the crawl binary accept --wizard, i'll add a mantis db check for dev :) 00:23:29 But I know someone who has an awesome Crawly domain name which he's registered with his own address so Crawl stalkers can find him! 00:23:39 Not to mention any names 00:23:42 lol 00:24:18 sure, i'd point termcast.develz.org to your ip, no problem, greensnark :> 00:24:26 :P 00:24:58 i already thought about it, but cdo really is at its limit already - cpu usage and diskspace-wise 00:25:13 You need upgrade? 00:25:15 Ask forum! 00:25:20 Get donations! 00:25:25 I'll think about it. I'll have to extract another IP from the Hetzner guys and audit the termcast code first, though 00:25:29 It work for Toady One, it work for you! 00:25:42 The Hetzner guys make me answer 200 questions each time I request an IP address :P 00:26:08 oh, my buddies get there ip with "i'm going to setup a webshop and need https" 00:26:30 each and every time the same sentence - at least that's what they told me ;) 00:26:47 *get their ip 00:26:50 Napkin: Oh. I had to send an email with a long list of things I needed the IP for :) 00:26:58 I'll try just the https line next time 00:27:37 :) 00:27:53 !tell due sure, if you make the crawl binary accept --wizard, i'll add a mantis db check for dev :) 00:27:54 Napkin: OK, I'll let due know. 00:28:02 !coffee 00:28:03 * Henzell hands Napkin a mug of black coffee, brewed by Mnoleg. 00:28:08 black! \o/ 00:28:20 !coffee 00:28:20 * Henzell hands greensnark a cup of soy latte, brewed by Yredelemnul. 00:28:23 Bah 00:28:26 haha! :D 00:28:35 !coffee greensnark 00:28:35 * Henzell hands greensnark a mug of caffè macchiato, brewed by Makhleb. 00:28:52 acceptable ;) 00:29:04 * greensnark prefers black coffee. 00:29:24 * Napkin switched coffee with greensnark before taking the first zip * 00:29:26 *sip 00:29:33 geez.. brb, coffee ;) 00:33:23 -!- varmin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:32 seems like more and more people use the "upload: graphics" category in mantis - awesome! 00:36:02 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:54 more plant tiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3251) by LoginError 00:56:18 -!- ZChris13 has left ##crawl-dev 01:12:07 Napkin: ooh, okay, awesome! 01:12:07 due: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:12:18 Napkin: is mantis and dgl combined? 01:12:34 Or rather, the permissions. 01:12:51 no, but i can add a query before starting the crawl process and then add --wizard 01:13:06 reading mantis permissions 01:13:14 awesome :) 01:13:20 so that would allow developers to go into wizard mode? 01:13:32 like the access to the save dumps 01:13:34 * due nod. 01:13:37 awesome! 01:13:43 well, it can do whatever you make --wizard do :) 01:14:29 but it'll be a lot of work for you, right? 01:15:19 to create such a binary, that plays normally for players and allow entering wizard mode when --wizard is used 01:16:25 why? 01:16:49 I'll just add a new option for DGL that mimicks no_wizard_ever for running it without --wizard 01:17:01 and otherwise functions as a normal build with wizard mode enabled with --wizard 01:17:09 ie, you can play as normal, but if you hit & you can step into wizard mode 01:21:53 great :) 01:22:41 i expected it to be more difficult because of all the precompiler ifdefs 01:23:15 We'll see :) 01:23:21 I'm *hoping* it'll be that simple. 01:24:05 well, mingw builds are always with wizard=y, right? 01:24:28 Yup 01:24:44 so.. it should be possible to accept & only when when DGL & --wizard 01:24:47 yes 01:24:59 so.. it should be possible to accept "&" only when when DGL && --wizard 01:25:03 ie, if WIZARD=YesPlease && USE_DGAMELAUNCH=YesPlease && --wizard 01:25:07 yup! 01:25:12 :) 01:25:48 so.. how do i do mysql queries from shell in a reasonably fast way? :) 01:25:57 will check that when at work ;) 01:26:10 echo query | mysql -u username database 01:26:13 alternately 01:26:19 mysql -u username database < file 01:26:37 for password you *must* use a my.conf file with 600 permissions. 01:27:00 i mean, you *can* use --password= but passing passwords as commandline argumnets = baaad. 01:27:24 unless you've got a read-only username that doesn't need a password :) 01:27:45 i'll think of something 01:27:56 has to be done inside the chroot, too 01:28:00 hm 01:28:17 would it be better to just have a text file in the chroot with "okay usernames"? 01:28:34 nah, too simple and too static ;) 01:28:38 :) 01:28:43 let's try a proper query first 01:51:05 does this need to be limited by account? Sometimes players want to test something 01:51:13 OG17: yes. 01:51:31 OG17: if they want to "test" something they are free to download and run a wizard build locally. 01:52:03 it's not always the same version, and there's stuff like Mu's wizlab 01:52:27 then they can compile it or ask napkin to recompile an older version? 01:52:31 build version, at least 01:52:49 I guess? Why prevent it, though? 01:52:55 ... 01:53:37 having to change @?? because hd:10000000 was crashing Gretell was not indicative enough? 01:53:41 all of the potentially intensive simulation tools and lua console right 01:53:57 oh right and that 01:53:58 well, it *is* in a chroot, so there's some safety there 01:54:00 if something breaks the server I'd assume it'd be disabled 01:54:17 the point is that we do not have the inclination to go through the wizard build and make it "safe" 01:54:37 okay, I was just curious 01:54:39 thanks 01:54:54 i mean, you can make crawl crash in 0.05ms with wizmode 01:55:02 or at least assert 01:55:21 (ie, &t, add random flags to it -> assertion failure or crash) 01:55:38 due: you seem to have forgotten what iptables is for 01:57:16 sorear: that's a post festum solution though 01:58:10 (yes, i had to look that one up) 02:06:10 enabling straight wizard mode now and then going back and banning or disabling access of people who abuse it is more punitive than preventitive. 02:06:20 (talk about half-finished reply, sorry, got involved in a long conversation) 02:37:01 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:52:34 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:01:11 st_: Many thanks for the Summoner feedback! I *really* like "not great with Vehumet, awesome with TSO" :D 03:03:33 Reasons might be wrong (other highlevel summons too good, TSO extension too long), but that's still really fun. 03:04:40 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:06:23 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:11:42 Many AI changes by a few brave souls, this'll be interesting to see.. if only this connection allowed playing on cdo. :P 03:11:54 (yeah, I just don't want to play offline) 03:16:54 -!- monky has quit [Quit: hello] 03:49:23 where is the summoner feedback? 03:58:34 due: some separate page, but you can search for it 03:58:41 okay 03:58:43 it's on wiki though? 03:58:48 yeah 04:01:06 about wizard mode on CDO: definitely not the best idea, I'd say. If there are situations that need debugging (like wizlabs or charset handling), it'd be better to do it either in a private DGL installation or perhaps a separate "game" that's visible only to some users 04:01:35 the former might be more work, but is more powerful and less hackish 04:01:52 kilobyte: current plan is to allow developer accounts to turn on wizard-mode via &, but nobody else. 04:03:55 well, I'll need to get a DGL installation anyway 04:04:26 * kilobyte needs to finally get to it. 04:04:58 yes, me too 04:06:51 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:15 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:10:34 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10:52 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:04 wget http://angband.pl/tmp/ashtier.c && gcc ashtier.c -lm && ./a.out 04:16:27 using the tension formula as-is is no good :( 04:19:19 the classical square LOS vs euclidean controversy has been unleashed on the forum : https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=356 04:19:46 kilobyte: how hard would it be to make a full euclidean branch like we did for square LOS? 04:21:04 "ew" 04:21:18 not very, it'd be a matter of adjusting movement delay, which is an one-liner 04:21:25 but indeed this could be disruptive 04:21:41 for monsters too 04:21:51 maybe travel code need to be aware of it too 04:22:50 also, it would make sense to give a 0.4 speed penalty to a diagonal attack which is preceeded by an orthogonal move. 04:23:02 also, 0.7 spell ranges aligned everything to the worst case rather than the average, shifting balance by a lot 04:23:14 uhm, why? 04:24:40 imagine being chased by a rabid wallaby who is twice as fast as you. No matter what the move and attack delay formulas are, you should never take more or less damage when going the same distance at various angles 04:25:27 having diagonal attacks take longer might be "intuitive" but if you do some calculations, it's wrong 04:26:12 it would lead to awkward play 04:26:16 for diagonal attacks following an orthogonal move, you'd have to simulate this with an angle other than 0 or 45 04:28:39 if you are a knight move away and are attacking, then it's cheaper to move orhtogonally and then attack diagonally 04:28:56 same if you are escaping 04:29:17 the best would probably be to just let the monster approach you and then attack them orthogonally 04:29:43 what if he doesn't (ranged attack) 04:29:55 Let's take a path that takes 100 time units (1000 aut). You have speed 10, the rabid wallaby has speed 20. The wallaby needs 10 aut to attack. 04:30:34 Angle 0: you need 100 steps, in that time the wallaby can attack you 100 times. 04:30:45 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:33 Angle 45, fully Euclidean movement: you need 71 steps 14.1 aut each. This takes 1000 aut, in that time the wallaby should make 100 attacks, thus a straight diagonal attack should take 10 not 14.1 time. 04:33:23 absolutely. a diagonal attack that is preceeded by a diagonal move should be normal speed 04:33:30 erm... seriously? Hit by a stone thrown by Agnes (12 damage) 04:33:34 Now, let's take an angle in between, for example one where you move n,nw,n,nw,n,nw 04:33:48 12 damage by a thrown stone?! :-O 04:34:00 Napkin: them stones are pretty big things :) 04:34:12 not rock - stone! 04:34:19 geez 04:34:41 this is just the two previous cases interspersed 04:35:23 to not have to calculate trig functions, let's take a path 100n,100nw. 04:36:18 the wallaby should get the same amount of attacks no matter which equidistant path you take 04:36:49 thus, 100n,100nw needs to take exactly the same time as 100x(n,nw) 04:38:39 it's like the Monty Hall problem: for some values of intuition, it's counterintuitive :p 04:39:22 Napkin: players do more damage when high level, too 04:39:49 (highly skilled, actually, but for monsters, skills are assumed to come with level) 04:40:22 well, yeah, if you use a sling or a dart 04:40:28 but throwing a stone? 04:40:38 @? Agnes 04:40:39 Agnes (11i) | Speed: 18 | HD: 11 | Health: 100 | AC/EV: 0/20 | Damage: 30 | Flags: see invisible | Res: 06magic(102) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 2973. 04:40:50 lemme look up the monster ranged damage code 04:40:50 if the wallaby start at the se of you. you go n (10). It goes n attack nw (20). Then you go nw (14). It goes nw attack nw (24). Total: you 24, him 44. 04:41:52 did she have a sling? 04:43:08 no, kilobyte 04:43:29 i always thought monsters got their base attack damage added to ranged attacks :3 04:51:30 heh, the formula is just mad 04:51:42 base damage: 4, halved because the stone is thrown 04:51:56 enchantment damage: I guess 0 since it's a stone 04:52:29 skill bonus: 1 + HD * 2.5 (factor for thrown missiles) 04:53:00 "skilled" (fighter flag) monsters get *1.2 bonus to the total 04:54:16 the total formula is: 1.2 * 1d(base+ench+random2avg(skill, 2)) 04:55:24 1.2*1d(2+0+2d(28)/2) 04:56:01 taking 10 damage pre-AC from her is average 04:56:18 @??yaktaur 04:56:19 yaktaur (05c) | Speed: 10 | HD: 8 | Health: 29-60 | AC/EV: 4/4 | Damage: 15 | Res: 06magic(32) | XP: 397. 04:56:22 @??yaktaur captain 04:56:23 yaktaur captain (04c) | Speed: 10 | HD: 14 | Health: 58-96 | AC/EV: 5/5 | Damage: 23 | Res: 06magic(56) | XP: 1399. 04:56:50 So all I wanted to do was copy a bunch of files out of a Windows box preserving their directory structure and aargh half of them are still open and ohgod all the copy commands are dumb as bricks and Windows MUST BE DESTROYED 04:57:05 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:57:33 And this stupid cmd.exe can do A && B but not A ; B. Whyyy 04:57:36 Death to Windows 04:58:05 To make it worse I have to use RDP on a 400ms ping just to run terminal commands 04:58:13 Have I mentioned that Windows must be destroyed yet? 04:58:19 fully agree 04:58:29 doesn't xcopy suck slightly less? 04:58:56 or, perhaps you'd want to copy again with just the files that failed? Sorry, need to copy everything from the start. 04:59:22 totalcmd.exe... everything else is useless... 04:59:25 I am using xcopy, my first attempt at just zipping up the lot with 7za died miserably because it can't handle open files 04:59:47 galehar: it can't read open files due to Windows doing mandatory locking everywhere 05:01:26 that's why the initiative to try to manage cygwin environment via apt-get died quickly 05:01:50 -!- Eifeltrampel has joined ##crawl-dev 05:02:05 Napkin: the formula makes the item thrown nearly irrelevant -- all that matters much is: 1. the monster's HD (Agnes has just middlish), 2. thrown vs launched 05:02:26 ja, I understand 05:02:45 -!- Eifeltrampel has quit [Client Quit] 05:03:08 -!- Eifeltrampel has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:28 if you want to try doing something useful you could use powershell instead of cmd.exe, but powershell is also annoying 05:03:41 Also when I pasted multiple commands to cmd.exe, if any command wants to ask stupid questions it thinks the command I pasted after it is an answer to its stupid questions :P 05:05:34 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:49 greensnark: Some unix programs do that too ;) 05:05:53 moin 05:06:07 due: Most have the good sense to read from the damn tty! 05:06:15 moin Eifeltrampel :) 05:06:41 Oh wait, yeah pasting multiples was just dumb 05:06:53 Not that I expected xcopy to be asking me twenty questions in the middle of a copy :P 05:07:00 you are just reading, greensnark? can't remember ever having problems reading locked files 05:07:07 "Is the target a file or directory?" "How about you take a *look*!" 05:07:14 Napkin: Some windows service logfiles 05:07:24 hmm... 05:07:35 xcopy copies them fine though, it's just that 7za can't read them directly 05:07:45 galehar: about your time calculations: you took 24 time, so the wallaby should attack you 2.4 times. It did attack only twice, and it has 4 aut (speed-adjusted) time left. 24*2=44+4, all is ok. 05:07:47 totalcmd.exe ;) 05:08:00 Napkin: I should check that out :) 05:08:14 gui though 05:08:52 Napkin: I tried mc.exe, but it keeps randomly locking up. But so does explorer.exe when copying, though. 05:08:55 like good old norton commander or midnight commander - just a lot more funtionality 05:09:33 so now that fiends have this new AI thing the endgame is completely impossible for pure melee right 05:09:52 st_: uhm, why? 05:10:08 because you get tormented to hell? 05:12:08 Does the new AI change behaviour so dramatically? 05:12:26 it just makes hiding behind corners slightly harder 05:12:31 no 05:13:34 it doesn't make sense for things like fiends, stone giants to do it though 05:14:48 kilobyte: Would this be a dire wallaby? 05:15:14 greensnark: <3 05:15:19 kilobyte: ok, you're probably right. I just find it hard to accept that for attacking someone a knight's move away, move orth attack diag and move diag attack orth don't take the same time. 05:16:21 st_: why? 05:16:43 also, we can easily add special cases so that some monsters don't do it 05:16:53 because they're not worthless in melee and can torment/hellfire you fine standing next to you 05:17:39 having fiends alays try to approach you as far away as possible is just a huge kick in the teeth for melee guys 05:17:56 it's strange centaurs/yaktaur captains/stone giants follow different rules than fiends 05:18:47 I can add a special case for all monsters with decent melee so that they don't do it, or less often. 05:20:26 st_: also they don't stay as far as possible, or it would be too easy to escape. 05:20:42 yeah! Executioners have such deadly spells so they shouldn't cast them instead of melee! 05:23:25 argh sorry abyss puts me in a bad mood 05:25:43 @?? executioner 05:25:44 Executioner (151) | Speed: 20 | HD: 12 | Health: 46-86 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Damage: 30, 10, 10 | Flags: 05demonic, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(144), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2371 | Sp: pain (d14), haste. 05:26:04 I've never realised they have a ranged attack :) 05:26:12 I'll special case them 05:26:31 there's a fighter flags for big-melee monsters 05:26:51 cool, I'll use it then 05:27:13 it means "very skilled" though -- stone giants don't have it 05:27:30 yaktaur captains do 05:28:23 IIRC it gives significant accuracy bonuses all around and small damage bonuses (not sure if damage applies to melee, even) 05:29:08 uuh, that sounds so mean 05:30:25 about stone giant, I'm not sure. They only have a few stones anyway. When they run out, they'll come after you. 05:30:55 Napkin: it's been that way for ages and ages 05:30:57 looked it up -- just *1.2 damage to ranged and nothing to melee 05:31:08 to me it makes sense for it to be only for dedicated ranged monsters 05:31:37 st_: for melee, it nearly doubles the to-hit 05:31:37 like nagas doing it to get more poison spits in is weird 05:31:45 oh? it sounded like new ai for ranged fighters to keep their distance 05:31:55 nevermind then :) 05:31:56 well, then maybe I should add a flag for monsters who prefer ranged attacks 05:31:58 Napkin: oh, that, dunno 05:32:10 due: progress on the --wizard cmdline? 05:32:34 Napkin: nope :) 05:32:34 haven't checked for the query yet, though 05:32:41 keep me posted :) 05:32:43 Napkin: i will do some tomorrow night or over the weekend 05:32:45 need sleep now 05:32:55 ah, right 05:32:58 damn timezones ;) 05:32:59 Napkin: that would be misnamed, if it is supposed to mean --wizard-allowed 05:33:02 g'night! :) 05:33:14 due: bie! 05:33:14 true, kilobyte 05:39:07 hm 05:39:08 Zaba: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:39:08 !messages 05:39:08 (1/1) due said (13h 19m 29s ago): Can you reduce the chances of loot vaults? http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/TGW/TGW.txt 05:41:35 kilobyte, Napkin, whatever is decided, the name is a minor thing :) 05:41:48 true too :) 05:43:45 now going to read "The atrocity archives" and sleep :) 05:43:46 enjoy ;) 05:43:46 byeee 05:43:48 about the loot vaults, I don't see how chances would alter anything 05:43:58 he probably meant depths? 05:43:59 kilobyte: s/chances/rate of occurence, I forget that chance is something special in crawl term 05:44:28 hey, you are gone already, due :-P 05:44:28 sshhh 05:44:31 * due gone 05:44:31 :D 05:44:34 :p 05:49:27 galehar: you probably shouldn't take too much weight from what I said about the ranged changes, I was in a bad mood and had to complain about something (I'm a player so I overreact a lot when things get changed) 05:49:44 ok 05:50:40 but you do have a point that some monster shouldn't do it. Executioners at the very least, but probably others. I'll have a look at how executioners often choose to charge you instead of casting pain and see if I can use the code for the ranged AI. 05:50:43 hehe, st :D 05:52:55 Napkin: zsh is great, you should try it :P 05:53:25 i did a bit, but didn't really see omg-was-missing-this-always-feature 05:53:46 lure me? :> 05:54:16 03zaba * r679f202db50c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/layout.des: Adjust the chance for loot rooms on layout_roguey levels. 05:54:35 there. I've done it. :/ 05:55:05 Napkin: It's more a bunch of things it does better than bash adding up :) 05:55:54 But I think the final straw in never-going-back-to-bash was being able to set up Growl notification of a long-running command finishing with a few simple hacks to my .zshrc 05:56:24 Just having preexec() and precmd() hooks is so awesome; doing similar things in bash needs layers of hacks :) 05:56:25 some guys on the forum use sublimation of blood on their blood potion (as vampires) to make decay at will (for evaporate). Should we prevent that? 05:56:26 growl? 05:56:34 execution of something when a background job finished? 05:57:03 aha, interesting 05:57:11 not sure what I would use it for though ;) 05:57:13 Zaba: Desktop notifications for Mac 05:57:20 ah 05:57:37 Napkin: It's like starting one of those 'svn up' that runs for 20 minutes and forgetting you left it there :) 05:57:47 I used to do that a lot 05:57:51 No more! 05:57:53 greensnark: (./crack-sha512-preimage && my-notify-stuff) & 05:58:36 the thing i would partly find useful, is this shared history among terminals 05:58:46 or, since consoles are cheap, without that & 05:58:51 kilobyte: But you have to do that manually 05:58:57 kilobyte: I never remember to do that :) 05:58:59 but i realized, i am actually relying on terminals having their own history while they last 05:59:20 greensnark: well, but how do you tell a long-running command from a short one? 05:59:32 kilobyte: With zsh I can automatically notify *if* the command ran for, say, >60s and the terminal was idle, i.e. the user didn't just exit a pager 05:59:43 Religion text fixes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3252) by MarvintheParanoidAndroid 05:59:51 kilobyte: zsh has a preexec hook that runs before it starts your command 06:00:02 So note the time the command starts 06:00:25 You also get hook calls for backgrounded jobs going away and precmd() before the next prompt is displayed 06:01:28 the first google link for "bash precmd" 06:01:40 precmd() is like bash's PROMPT_COMMAND? 06:03:20 zsh also claimed to not make you wait as long as bash on "," - how does it do that? 06:03:23 Napkin: More or less, but more composable 06:03:48 Napkin: Well, autocomplete feels a little faster, but there's not much to it, so I wouldn't worry about that :P 06:04:09 Also some autocomplete scripts feel slower with zsh, particularly man page 06:04:13 it's in the top-list of "why switch to zsh" discussions though 06:04:35 just wondering though :) 06:05:26 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:13 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:52 -!- cw_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:39:56 strange behavior of animated Agnes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3253) by Roadstrum 06:49:31 -!- evilmike has quit [] 06:55:07 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:04 is there a way to easily distinguish monsters with normal ranged attacks and the ones with "smiting" attacks? 07:21:03 hmmm... do i vorpalize this thrusty sabre of mine or do i cast fire brand first and make it permanent? 07:44:19 -!- Kronusdark has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:07 Napkin: fire/cold >>>>>>> vorpal 07:51:35 ??deck of defence 07:51:35 deck of defence[1/1]: Randomly per-card {deck of emergency} or {deck of battle}. 07:51:37 ??deck of battle 07:51:37 deck of battle[1/1]: Does not exist as an item. Cards: Elixir, Battlelust, Metamorphosis, Helm, Blade, Shadow. 07:51:40 ??deck of war 07:51:40 deck of war[1/1]: Randomly per-card {deck of destruction}, {deck of enchantments}, {deck of battle}, {deck of summoning}, {deck of transport}, {deck of emergency}. 07:51:50 ??deck of changes 07:51:50 deck of changes[1/1]: Randomly per-card {deck of battle}, {deck of dungeons}, {deck of wonders}. 07:52:36 playing cards a bit is a good source of temp brands to permanentize 07:53:02 oh no, not touching the cards 07:53:26 ironically, except for Nemelex worshippers who will get Tukima's Dance or Sure Blade instead :p 07:53:30 way too random and too reliant on RNG - no, no, no 07:55:02 decks of defence and of war are safe, except for rare+ Damnation 07:55:34 you know how it is with me & 2% chances... 07:56:14 no card in ordinary decks has permanent effects... ok, unless you get oddities + Xom + very bad luck :p 07:56:48 ??deck of oddities 07:56:48 deck of oddities[1/1]: Genie, Bargain, Wrath, Xom, Feast, Famine, Curse 07:57:43 you can survive a single Wrath or Xom card, can't you? The chances are tiny, too. 07:57:56 nah, won't work 07:58:05 and believe or not, there are still people who actually take Xom as a god 07:59:34 what could fuck you up are decks of changes, so you don't look for Blade there 08:01:00 i mean it's nice those features exist - i'm just not going to go neat them 08:01:35 *near 08:06:50 i mean.. i'm the guy miscasting pain 4 times in a row while the success rate is supposedly "excellent" ;) 08:16:07 -!- cw_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17:16 here is a nice trick: you want to escape from a monster? leave its LOS and save the game 08:17:23 foe_memory isn't saved... 08:20:49 galehar: you're on it, of course? 08:22:11 might stash my Ash detection changes, anything to escape from that @#$%^&* tier formula I can't come up with 08:22:30 (kind of bad if you need to escape from something you escape work for :p) 08:23:03 yes 08:23:09 fixing it is trivial of course 08:23:25 but as usual, I won't push until tonight 08:23:31 you can fix it if you want to. 08:23:55 heck, I might just push the crock I have and declare that "Ashenzari doesn't care much about accuracy of the difficulty gauge" 08:26:35 about Ash's abilities, shouldn't we make them depend on boundedness as much as possible? So we encourage bounding, and can get rid of the XP boost (and maybe also reduce piety gain) 08:27:20 Napkin: Have you had any success with openssh / some other sshd for Wind0ze systems? 08:27:22 reducing piety gain might be a good idea, yeah 08:27:30 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:40 And also add a 4th level of bounding: fully bounded (all available slots bounded) 08:27:54 for removing XP boost, we'd have to add something in return, we still don't have that 08:28:02 i used cygwin's sshd, greensnark 08:28:07 that worked like a charm 08:28:12 Napkin: Oh, nice 08:28:22 don't have any windows anymore though at the moment 08:28:28 Lucky you :) 08:28:31 :) 08:28:56 cygwin actually installs some cygserv service 08:29:00 Remote desktop is surprisingly usable even on high ping connections but not as nice as ssh 08:29:17 i'm not sure why you'd go past 2x bounded, especially with no xp boost 08:29:23 which in turn starts "registered" services like sshd, syslogd 08:29:38 yeah, rdp is quite good, sometimes even better than NX 08:29:47 *than NX for *nix 08:29:48 I was thinking of the ability to identify brands and wands. Make it happen only in bound_level/max_bound_level chances. 08:30:15 I mean identify in monster hands 08:30:22 I don't know that it's better than NX, but I've never used NX on laggy connections 08:30:36 NX is incredible 08:30:45 But you need it so rarely! 08:30:55 hehe 08:30:57 I never need anything beyond a terminal for Unix boxes 08:31:02 oh, i do 08:31:09 identifying wands would only really be useful early on when they can be very dangerous 08:31:14 i run virtual box with itunes-windows in it ;) 08:31:17 (and you wouldn't be able to be fully bound yet) 08:31:23 Napkin: ...! :P 08:32:00 well, so yes.. still need windows.. but nothing on it that i could control via shell - sadly 08:32:16 brands on weapons would be good to know in advance, but again much more so early on 08:34:38 Napkin: not that I need itunes for anything... but how did you get Virtualbox to pass USB? 08:34:59 if you use the non-ose version it's included, kilobyte 08:42:18 heh... first deck I find, kilobyte? deck of changes :D 08:42:41 second, sorry - didn't even pick up the first 08:44:11 omg.. did i really pay 2710gp for that trove?! 08:44:23 _pay_? 08:44:30 as in, a randart? 08:44:52 no, as being allowed to enter the treasure trove 08:44:56 troves have been severely nerfed just recently 08:45:07 and it had such a poor loot, omg 08:45:18