00:11:21 Summon Hydra and Summon Dragon spells (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3158) by RangerC 00:11:45 WANT 00:11:52 dazzle (L17 DSIE) ASSERT(m.mid > 0) in 'tags.cc' at line 2954 failed. (Elf:3) 00:12:06 dazzle (L17 DSIE) ASSERT(m.mid > 0) in 'tags.cc' at line 2954 failed. (Elf:3) 00:12:13 dazzle (L17 DSIE) ASSERT(m.mid > 0) in 'tags.cc' at line 2954 failed. (Elf:3) 00:12:20 dazzle (L17 DSIE) ASSERT(m.mid > 0) in 'tags.cc' at line 2954 failed. (Elf:3) 00:12:30 dazzle (L17 DSIE) ASSERT(m.mid > 0) in 'tags.cc' at line 2954 failed. (Elf:3) 00:12:42 dazzle (L17 DSIE) ASSERT(m.mid > 0) in 'tags.cc' at line 2954 failed. (Elf:3) 00:12:51 dazzle (L17 DSIE) ASSERT(m.mid > 0) in 'tags.cc' at line 2954 failed. (Elf:3) 00:13:13 dazzle (L17 DSIE) ASSERT(m.mid > 0) in 'tags.cc' at line 2954 failed. (Elf:3) 00:13:38 -!- One-of-Many has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:24 dazzle (L17 DSIE) ASSERT(m.mid > 0) in 'tags.cc' at line 2954 failed. (Elf:3) 00:15:15 dazzle (L17 DSIE) ASSERT(m.mid > 0) in 'tags.cc' at line 2954 failed. (Elf:3) 00:15:31 mmmm 00:15:45 Can't get upstairs from Elf:4, so to clarify 00:24:44 areyou dazzle? 00:25:00 Yes 00:26:22 Yeah 00:26:28 -!- One-of-Many is now known as dazzle 00:26:57 dazzle (L17 DSIE) ASSERT(m.mid > 0) in 'tags.cc' at line 2954 failed. (Elf:3) 00:58:31 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:00:18 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:46 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43:24 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: Eat pit fiends, brother.] 01:55:43 helloo 02:04:19 ... what the hell 02:08:57 @??iron dragon 02:08:58 iron dragon (10D) | Speed: 8 | HD: 18 | Health: 101-133 | AC/EV: 20/6 | Damage: 25, 25, 25 | Flags: sense invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 2320 | Sp: metal splinters (3d30). 02:09:03 @??storm drago 02:09:03 unknown monster: "storm drago" 02:09:06 @??storm dragon 02:09:06 storm dragon (12D) | Speed: 11 | HD: 14 | Health: 83-123 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Damage: 25, 15, 15 | Flags: fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(93), 02cold, 11elec+++ | XP: 2991 | Sp: b.lightning (3d19). 02:09:12 @??shadow dragon 02:09:12 shadow dragon (06D) | Speed: 10 | HD: 17 | Health: 106-149 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Damage: 2013(drain), 15, 15 | Flags: evil, cold-blooded, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(113), 02cold++, 03poison | Chunks: 04hydrochloric acid | XP: 3401 | Sp: b.draining (3d21). 02:09:19 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:50 @??tentacled monstrosity 02:09:50 tentacled monstrosity (03X) | Speed: 9 | HD: 25 | Health: 100-160 | AC/EV: 5/5 | Damage: 22, 17, 13 | Flags: 05demonic, amphibious, see invisible | Res: 06magic(166), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison | XP: 2127. 02:09:57 @??large abomination 02:09:57 large abomination (13X) | Speed: 6-12 | HD: 9 | Health: 23-66 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Damage: 40 | Flags: 05demonic | Res: 06magic(102) | XP: 520. 02:10:28 @??Golden dragon 02:10:28 golden dragon (08D) | Speed: 9 | HD: 18 | Health: 86-127 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Damage: 40, 20, 20 | Flags: sense invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(192), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 4031 | Sp: b.fire (3d27), b.cold (3d27), poisonous cloud (3d11). 02:12:07 ??quicksilver dragon 02:12:07 quicksilver dragon[1/6]: Extremely dangerous monster that moves 50% faster than you and breathes irresistible 3d25 energy bolts, ie up to 150 pts ranged damage in a turn. Fortunately it is very rare, so rare that if you find one (outside Vault:8) it's probably a shapeshifter. 02:12:30 @??quicksilver dragon 02:12:30 quicksilver dragon (11D) | Speed: 15 | HD: 16 | Health: 62-107 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Damage: 25, 20 | Flags: sense invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(149) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 3549 | Sp: b.quicksilver (3d20). 02:13:18 keep in mind that you get horrible things by the dozen. 02:13:47 why are all the dragons different speeds 02:13:56 because haste nerf 02:14:05 also pre-hastenerf oddspeeds 02:14:18 golden dragons at 9 is bizarre, and I guess storms used to be 12 02:14:28 because making things harder means making them faster in crawl 02:14:36 basically, yes 02:14:50 I am trying ot respond sanely to the patch implementing summon dragons and summon hydra as player castable spells. 02:17:51 due: as the summoning czar, I'm all for it 02:18:31 are you against it for some reason? 02:18:53 yes 02:18:59 I think summon dragon is great 02:19:11 But access to golden dragons, quicksilver and holy dragons as a summonning spell? 02:19:22 Regardless of the cost, that's overpowered. 02:19:54 Storm dragons, iron dragons and shadow dragons for similar reasons, but mostly because the high-MP and short-duration mechanism does not disallow multiple dragons on screen. 02:20:06 However, perfectly happy with normal dragons and ice dragons. 02:20:10 !hs due cls=summoner 02:20:12 13. bookofjude the Caller (L6 SESu), slain by a hound on D:4 on 2009-02-23, with 377 points after 9562 turns and 0:28:49. 02:20:12 @??holy dragon 02:20:13 holy dragon (08D) | 04UNFINISHED | Speed: 13 | HD: 18 | Health: 91-140 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Damage: 35, 20 | Flags: 08holy, sense invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(168) | XP: 5712 | Sp: holy breath (3d36). 02:20:27 sorear: Wiz summoning is my preferred class. 02:20:34 !hs sk=summoning 02:20:34 No games for due (sk=summoning max=sc). 02:20:38 Meh. 02:20:41 !hs sk=summoning 02:20:41 No games for sorear (sk=summoning max=sc). 02:20:43 !hs due sk=summonings 02:20:44 23. bookofjude the Convoker (L18 VpWz), worshipper of Sif Muna, hit from afar by a stone giant (large rock) on Vault:7 on 2009-09-27, with 218103 points after 110302 turns and 10:19:57. 02:20:45 !hs char=vpwz 02:20:46 14. bookofjude the Convoker (L18 VpWz), worshipper of Sif Muna, hit from afar by a stone giant (large rock) on Vault:7 on 2009-09-27, with 218103 points after 110302 turns and 10:19:57. 02:20:49 !hs sk=summonings 02:20:49 127. sorear the Hellbinder (L27 HOSu), worshipper of Vehumet, escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2008-06-25, with 1201186 points after 136045 turns and 20:18:38. 02:21:00 !fight golden dragon v fiend 02:21:13 no fightclub :( 02:21:38 No? Hm. 02:22:03 due: fiends and executioners and blue deaths are currently available at level 7 02:22:13 and they can kill golden dragons 02:22:33 the summoner endgame is quite weak imo 02:22:44 summoner endgame weak? what? 02:22:49 um 02:22:51 disagree. 02:22:51 haunt spam alone can kill anything 02:23:14 and summon greater demon is indeed quite strong 02:23:22 I did tomb with it once, it was pretty easy 02:24:07 XXX spam also good, and people have been successful at killing pan lords with malign gateway 02:24:18 summoners have tons of good choices already in endgame 02:24:31 interesting, I'll have to try one again 02:25:05 I still think golden dragons at level 9 can't be worst then execs at level 7 02:25:20 Then execs need to be bumped up to 8 or so then. 02:25:23 the execs do turn hostile though, which means you have to keep abjuration in reserve 02:25:48 I'll be interested to se what dpeg says. 02:26:01 speaking of, I have my own delayed-action reagent based summoning spell to implement :) 02:26:38 of course, if a summon cap is ever implemented then a lot might change 02:26:45 I honestly don't think "now you can summon monster" makes it more interesting. 02:26:52 Haunt is interesting. 02:26:55 Malign gateway is interesting. 02:27:08 "now you can have an endgame summoner of TSO" makes it interesting 02:27:15 st_: Well, sure. 02:27:32 Malign gateway is disallowed? 02:27:50 Haunt is necromantic, I suppose. 02:27:59 Malign Gateway is... different. 02:28:48 moin 02:29:27 Also, why are we obligated to make very character class work with every god? 02:29:49 "TSO disallows all the good spells, you can't play a good summoner of TSO!" -> "why can't I have a necromancer of TSO?" 02:29:57 we're not but TSO blesses summons so it's actually something that's desirable 02:30:18 and ely lets you heal them so that is also cool 02:30:55 I forget his mechanism. 02:31:00 Erm, TSO's, rather. :S 02:31:03 well, i was under the impression the good gods don't like shadow creatures since it's abyssal, so it's natural to assume the same for malign gateway 02:31:29 RjY: I don't know if it's implemented as a negative thing 02:31:51 TSO's mechanism means your summons stick around for longer if they kill evils? 02:32:19 I should eaaat my brain isn't working. 02:32:33 I thinnk we should definitely have summon dragon with normal dragons and ice dragons thoguh. 02:35:28 personally, I don't think that getting higher dragons sometimes at L9 will be a problem balance-wise 02:35:40 but I'm also not very excited about the spell in general 02:36:28 ooooh. I like the idea of a summon cap "one dragon at a time", extended to all summoning spells 02:36:51 it makes spell slots an important resource for summoners in a way they aren't for other casters 02:37:09 theoretically of course - I have no idea how it will play out and am clearly too out of touch to guess 02:37:22 sorear: trying to force summoners to use lots of different summons? 02:37:42 elliptic: that would be an effect 02:38:04 that could be good, but it could also just make summoners feel even more like they are all the same 02:38:08 not sure 02:38:27 some sort of summon cap is necessary, though 02:39:51 I've been planning a homunculus spell with david and eino 02:40:04 uses a potion to incubate a monster--thus there's a delay, and a reagent. 02:40:11 but the bonus isthat the potion you use has an effect on the monster. 02:48:45 homunculus -> potion of berserk rage -> half-life homunculus that berserks. 02:48:59 homunculus -> potion of confusion -> perma-confused homunculus 02:49:51 brilliance -> casts spells (either cantrips or level 2s only); agility -> higher AV; might -> higher STR and damage. 02:49:59 AV ? 02:50:00 It's probably be transmutation/summoning. 02:50:02 EV. 02:50:17 Someone's talking about audiovisual stuff in another channel and my mind was thinking cross purposes. 02:50:57 Obviously duration and delay will need to be adjusted, but I think it's thematically cool (and I think eino and dpeg agreed, maybe just my bad memory or my love of the idea), an interesting mechanism, and hopefully not too difficult to balance. 02:51:11 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:28 hi 02:51:33 hi! 02:51:59 I'd like a spell like that to give a perm ally 02:52:41 st_: It might, if the cost is high enough. 02:52:53 st_: They won't be "summoned" as such, just short-lived. 02:55:49 if it's permanent, couldn't a player take off armour, put on wizardry, make a bunch of homunculi, put armour back on? 02:56:05 oh and remove wizardry 02:56:49 an invocation or misc item for perm allies from items would be nifty, though 02:58:53 monky: It's not going to be permananet. 02:59:14 monky: I'm thinking the only permananet ally would come from a potion of experience or gain X. 02:59:58 oh 03:00:03 but yes, for exactly the reasons you explain, perm allies willbe difficult to come by and the cost will not be dependent on skill 03:01:45 if it's delayed but vanishes after a while how do you use it for fighting stuff 03:02:10 unless the delay is 10-20 turns 03:02:26 the delay will be 5-10 turns or so 03:02:36 the delay is so it isn't "instant ally". 03:03:32 03greensnark * rec53c836936b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Make .des corpse generation use the actual monster 03:03:40 :o 03:06:29 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:33 hi syllo 03:06:36 gism 03:06:43 premature punctuation :( 03:06:52 hi 04:32:04 how can the program runs fine normally but crashes when run with gdb? 04:32:42 seems to be the increment of a map iterator 04:34:18 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:41 galehar: :( 04:39:05 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:02 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:48:07 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:48:44 ok, so serial vaults are all placed in mini_features, except for gnoll camp which has its own des file. ?? 04:49:01 all serial vaults featuring monsters get their own des? 04:49:30 latest windows tiles build slows down (delays between input and screen refresh seem to increase gradually) until i save and load, then it's fast again for some time 04:54:57 -!- monky has quit [Quit: hello] 04:55:16 i'll play a previous build to see if it's there too 04:56:16 Mu_: it could for segregation purposes 04:56:31 Mu_: there's really no law against subdividing .des files to save on scrolling-until-next-week. 05:00:25 re 05:00:54 Mu_, I'd rather have all serial vaults in separate .des files 05:01:05 but I didn't get around to splitting them yet 05:01:45 mini_features is a monstrosity 05:01:46 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:03:50 agreed 05:04:39 prolly best to have them separate since any single file is gonna inflate pretty rapidly with em all in it 05:11:37 hmm. 05:11:51 'just' 157 vautls in mini_features 05:16:01 guess I'll do some splitting now 05:17:59 Killer klown tile variations. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3159) by co 05:18:43 does co appear on irc? 05:19:01 nice tiles 05:20:13 and what the hell. 05:20:21 why do people keep putting mini_float where it doesn't belong. 05:20:26 where do they get the idea that it's needed from? 05:20:51 Zaba: check the header 05:21:29 due, what header? 05:21:31 Zaba: one of the headers says "use mini_float for this" 05:21:35 or possibly the documentation 05:22:17 the documentation says, mini_float tells the dungeon builder to pick random exits from the vault 05:23:30 that's syntax.txt 05:24:03 is this information correct? 05:24:40 introduction.txt seems to vaguely suggest that for minivaults, mini_float is needed in order to have @s on the map connected 05:24:50 which is wrong, and it suggests otherwise a few paragraphs below 05:25:44 due, mini_float is irrelevant if the vault has explicit exits. An explicit exit is either a @ anywhere on the map, or a (secret) door on its edge. 05:28:30 gradual slowdown during a game session (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3160) by ortoslon 05:29:44 interesting 05:29:52 ortoslon: Can you identify when this staerted? 05:30:27 due: between the last two builds in http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/archive.html 05:30:41 i'll skim the changelog now 05:31:48 03j-p-e-g * r1ae0ddc1ffbe 10/crawl-ref/source/ (tiledgnbuf.cc tiledgnbuf.h): Don't display swamp trees as "floating above the water". 05:33:28 hooray! 05:36:13 ortoslon: Interesting. In a specific area or in the whole game? 05:36:14 Ah, dungeon. 05:36:14 KeAE, early game 05:36:14 hmm 05:36:14 command tab was added 05:36:14 how do i disable it? 05:36:14 I'm not sure, sorry 05:40:00 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 05:41:31 moin guys 05:41:36 @?Azrael 05:41:36 Azrael (04R) | Speed: 10 | HD: 11 | Health: 88 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Damage: 12 | Flags: 05demonic, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(44), 04fire+++, 03poison | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1588 | Sp: b.fire (3d20), sticky flame (3d5), fireball (3d20), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15). 05:41:49 what does !sil mean? can't be silenced? 05:45:45 yes 05:45:53 thanks :) 05:50:52 demonic implies !sil also for future reference 05:51:21 is that a new flag? 05:51:23 @??imp 05:51:24 imp (055) | Speed: 10 | HD: 3 | Health: 9-18 | AC/EV: 3/14 | Damage: 4 | Flags: 05demonic, fly, regen, !sil | Res: 06magic(36), 05hellfire, 03poison | Vul: 12cold | XP: 48 | Sp: blink. 05:51:31 (for gretell) 05:51:47 it's been there for a while 05:52:05 I died for two weeks 05:52:15 a while being months 05:53:34 tgw is a lich? 05:55:47 greensnark, hrm.. is there any reason why dgn_register_place iterates over the vault from its bottom-right corner to its top-left? 05:57:50 the sound changes have made crypt terrible now 05:58:24 feels like the moment you step into crypt every monster on the level beelines for you 05:58:33 have you tried tomb? 05:58:42 i can only imagine 05:59:03 sound changes sort of ruin the end vaults too 05:59:07 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:59:23 of crypt 05:59:37 yeah i'm watching casmith do my crypt:5 right now and it's rather silly since the ancient liches from the very end of the map are currently on the starting staircases 06:00:09 why are they on the starting staircase? 06:00:19 they heard him and walked there 06:00:24 greensnark, would anything break if rectangle_iterator be used there 06:00:28 was* 06:00:31 Mu_: :/ 06:00:31 because every sound is 40 times as loud 06:03:10 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 06:03:56 might be better to do it as a raised chance to wake up dormany monsters in currently in LOS rather than an increase in levelwide sound propagation (or however it's done) 06:04:02 dormant 06:05:45 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:05:45 cheers 06:05:50 !seen elliptic 06:05:50 I last saw elliptic at Thu Jan 6 10:47:02 2011 UTC (1h 18m 48s ago) quitting with message Ping timeout: 240 seconds. 06:05:55 also walls should still insulate against sound even if rooms are very quiet, but they don't seem very good at that in crypt 06:06:01 morningdp 06:06:04 morning dpeg 06:06:10 (that was weird) 06:06:23 tab completing a 4 char name tsk tsk 06:06:35 I do it with og17 06:06:42 what's so special about 4 character names 06:07:19 Mu_: walls insulating against sound would be a good thing 06:07:26 I tab complete after the first letter =) 06:07:32 especially for stuff like branch ends and sprint 06:08:06 Mu_: that falls under "noise system". zelgadis approached this once, but haven't heard from him for some time. 06:08:09 dpeg: the stealth/sound changes make kind of a mess of crypt (and tomb) 06:08:18 Mu_: why mess? 06:08:30 everything awake all the time? 06:08:31 generally upon entering the floor every monster on the map beelines for you 06:08:47 tomb has even more stair scumming now 06:08:56 well, the idea was the stealth play is harder in those branches 06:09:09 mikee described it yesterday as "2 minutes to kill everything, then spend time autoexploring the empty level" 06:09:26 for Crypt, I take it? 06:09:29 yep 06:09:40 due: i couldn't find an option to disable the recently implemented command tab but reducing the resolution to 800x600 to hide it seems to have fixed the lag 06:10:04 I wonder why the stealth modifier is so strong... don't we just add/subtract something on the order of 20-40? 06:10:15 dpeg: i think maybe the penalty should only apply to waking enemies in LOS. that would still make it harder to stab, without this problem. not sure if it's what we were after though. 06:10:26 it's not the stealth modifier because stealth only wakes enemies in LOS 06:10:38 if the whole level is waking up it's probably noise 06:11:12 then it's some other change 06:11:23 has noise propagation been changed recently? 06:11:54 not sure, but this is only noticable in crypt and tomb i think 06:13:35 in particular it affects the branch-ends rather badly 06:14:27 I don't know the cause :( 06:15:17 as I understand it, it's a mutliplier on how far sound travels 06:15:18 crypt and tomb have different ambient noise compared to other things 06:15:24 not sure how exactly it works, though 06:15:50 hi dpeg 06:15:57 hi! 06:16:29 lower ambient noise = noise propogates further 06:17:02 whenever you make a noise at your location the monsters that can hear it know exactly what spot the noise was made at 06:18:23 i see now, ambient noise level. old commit! 06:19:54 Mu_: is it the one where noise level was cased by branch? 06:20:34 yep 06:20:42 Zaba: BR-TL presumably just because it's easier to write the loop condition that way. You can totally use rectangle_iterator there. 06:21:02 Mu_: can you recap the change? 06:21:09 * greensnark recaps dpeg. 06:21:15 !coffee dpeg 06:21:15 * Henzell hands dpeg a cup of irish coffee, brewed by Xtahua. 06:22:07 crypt has -20 to ambient noise, sounds are therefore loudness += random2avg(abs(ambient), 3); 06:22:27 plus an additional stealth penalty 06:23:58 Regarding kilobyte's AM concerns: I found AM strong and fun, and didn't have ammo problems since I had branded melee as backup. Poison Weapon is a great branding spell. I have ideas for special effects for fire and frost ammo. Charm/Hex mix is a concern though I agree, sounds like they'd really need to dilute their skills. 06:24:06 it's commit 6c38fdbc4fef03a2c23361653c21937d18bffbed 06:24:06 greensnark: don't you say "recap" for "summarise"? 06:24:12 Yes!! to Louise being ubernaga. 06:24:20 (working through the backscroll here..) 06:24:54 Mu_: is the 20 too much, or is the system broken no matter what? 06:25:04 Napkin: Your dad started to win faster than me. :/ 06:25:27 hehe, same here 06:25:27 dat's wat dads do 06:25:33 Napkin's dad had Napkin, though :) 06:26:10 dpeg: if walls don't currently insulate against sound (?? i don't know this) then it's probably going to be difficult to balance any sound increase i would think. for the time being only applying the stealth penalty might be enough. 06:26:32 Hi! I guess I can read the channel log instead of my own backlog :) 06:26:37 dpeg: Got my thoughts on AM above? 06:27:01 I have to admit I probably used Fire and Frost branding on the bow a lot without realizing they didn't add damage, if that was indeed the case in prerelease 0.6. 06:27:22 dpeg: True, such help helps a lot 06:27:44 dpeg: I advised my friend's Gnome Thief (!!) almost to Lair with the firts game 06:27:51 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:01 Also I only got any good after reading ##crawl 06:28:02 Keskitalo: only the one comment on AM just now. 06:28:09 dpeg: Yeah, that was all. 06:28:17 Gnome Thief? :)) 06:28:28 Mu_: Have walls any effect on noise? 06:28:49 I did get a GECj to D:27 when finding stone soup (0.2.5. I believe) before hitting IRC though. 06:29:07 Keskitalo is an expert, clearly ;) 06:29:23 HEAM/F is a great great build 06:29:44 There are several things to do: walls should hamper noise propagation (different by type: trees less than rock etc.). The farther apart the monster is from the noise source, the more imprecise location should be. 06:29:59 dpeg: You think summonable quicksilver dragons is okay? I'm still indecisive. 06:30:29 due: as L9 spell? Sure. 06:30:45 Also, it's not guaranteed the summoned dragon is quicksilver. 06:30:52 True. 06:30:54 I'm a bit worried, but weould like to test it first. 06:31:02 due: No hatin' on the hydras :P 06:31:03 Okay, so: multiple quicksilver dragons? 06:31:23 Idea: only one dragon at a time; recasting changes it's colour 06:31:25 (and heals it) 06:31:30 Ooh. 06:31:30 We will want the summon cap at some point anyway, but ... what Keskitalo said. 06:31:43 Well, I already suggested one dragon at a time in my comment ;) 06:32:14 bonus to summon dragon in dragon form? :) 06:32:17 due: My vision must've been blurry because I started crying when you doubted mah hydrass :,( 06:32:37 Keskitalo: Well, apart from "the duration is low" there didn't seem to be any negatives to it. Also, friendly hydra. 06:32:53 I didn't realise you were involved or I wouldn't have had so many doubts ;) 06:33:05 You don't read my precious summoning wiki pages it seems!! 06:33:08 :) 06:33:20 If I had time to read every wiki page... ;) 06:33:23 Yeah, but it needs to be really low, the duration. Also, the hydra need to start out agressive 06:33:27 due: Just read mine ;) 06:33:50 due: Well, I spend my time reading the wiki pages, you spend your time actually implementing stuff.... 06:34:22 Well, this just makes summoners even more powerful :) 06:34:30 summon cap 06:34:33 Yeah 06:34:39 "It makes TSO summoners better" is there, but this multiplicative effect applies to non-TSO summoners too. 06:34:41 i think i'd undo the ambient noise stuff for now and only have the stealth penalty, at least until walls can block sound. currently you can pull the liches from the end of the crypt 5 vaults after taking just a few steps into the level. 06:34:47 Mu_: +1 06:34:48 due: Yes, it does 06:34:48 we make them strong and popular now, and then we unleash the cap 06:35:09 Mu_: what's the difference? 06:35:20 dpeg, Keskitalo, I'm also starting to feel that my homunculus spell might be better as a transmutation, and giving them the short-lived enchantment (like toadstools). This way they leave corpses. Thoughts? 06:35:24 ah, I see 06:35:24 between what? 06:35:38 due: +1 06:35:52 due: Heh, so you can reuse the corpses for more homonculi? Transmut sounds fine 06:35:55 Mu_: so different branches would have modifiers to stealth, but that's all? 06:36:05 For the record I don't mind Sticks to Snakes being Transm/Summon 06:36:07 Keskitalo: Well, yes, but you'll probably only get water potion sfrom them. :) 06:36:09 unlike many 06:36:28 Water potion = vanilla homunculus which isn't very powerful. 06:36:39 due: Oh btw, Desert/Pyramid branch definitely needs a Felid mummy boss.. that you have to kill 9 times. 06:36:44 :D 06:36:54 dpeg: yep. that would make you more likely to wake up things you can see, but not things that are in distant parts of the level. 06:37:07 FR: playable mummies for every plaable ace! ;) 06:37:28 due: This was my longstanding FR for Crawl since 2000 06:37:33 awful, awful idea :D 06:37:45 * due laughs. 06:37:46 my crawl-addicted coursemate has the lag too 06:37:47 if ambient noise can be made to work i don't see why there should be both additional noise and a stealth penalty though, one or the other should suffice 06:37:48 but funny. ): 06:38:34 Mu_: okay, so change that please 06:38:41 due: Hey, glad to hear you're not suffering from the floods (reading the log) 06:38:50 some programmer type will have to change it i dunno how to do that stuff :P 06:40:15 ooh, <3 jpeg changing AI re: slime walls 06:41:58 sorear: You like summon hydra & dragon? What's your though on the low-duration hydras? 06:42:14 who was the one engaging with slime generation? 06:42:19 pointless? 06:42:20 dpeg: btw I'm working on the easy/hard ice caves 06:42:23 dpeg: Yeah, once he has time 06:42:24 cool 06:42:31 should put it on the 0.8 agenda (could update that a bit) 06:43:11 If I didn't say it already the change (as described in the wiki page) looks much less intrusive to the stuff I like about Slime now than I thought before, so I'm pretty good with it 06:43:32 and If not, I'll just make an acidic wall portal vault some day that has the stuff I like 06:44:11 radiant caverns walls give you glow when you're next to them? 06:45:00 Keskitalo: I talked to Charles... his changes are modest, afaiu. Keep the acid walls, make levels more (or always) connected, make exploration easier. 06:45:04 st_: sounds good to me 06:46:47 dpeg: yeah. 06:47:41 re: Shadow Creatures, I was wondering if the "abyssal matter" handwave couldn't be dropped, and only allow non-evil etc monsters to be spawned when playing good gods 06:50:19 I have never used SC. 06:52:23 that could work, the places where SC is good you mostly get things like yaktaur packs, stone giants, dracs so it'd still be worth getting 06:54:57 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58:02 I haven't used it either :/ 06:58:48 it's a fun spell, lots of variety 07:00:33 Keskitalo: you were playing the summoners at least :) 07:00:36 yeah, for some reason i don't like it looking at it, but it's an unique spell 07:00:45 -!- Twilight has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:51 yeah, I just didn't pick it up :) 07:01:11 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest13151 07:04:39 I am in *awe* of all the tile submissions 07:04:54 Agree. 07:09:01 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:20 Is the new sprint map master version only? 07:09:35 okay, sleep 07:09:36 night folk 07:09:42 (could take a look myself, heh) 07:10:34 Any comments on the corpse throwing proposal? 07:10:40 (I like it.) 07:10:56 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=214 07:11:29 joosa: yes, trunk only 07:11:42 ok 07:16:52 * Keskitalo away 07:17:09 dpeg: I like it, (large races, right?), can you Implemtablise it? 07:17:21 sort of did 07:17:25 on the foru, 07:17:28 oh :) 07:17:39 I'm off(line), cheers 07:17:50 hopefully I'll be able to work on stuff 07:19:37 bye! 07:21:27 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Quit: rebooting] 07:40:55