00:46:45 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16:13 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:40 thanks all. 02:03:22 -!- jld has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:31 -!- ivan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:46 -!- monky has quit [Quit: hello] 03:03:42 I just now filed that idea (listing porridge on the eat menu) on the wiki. See top of screen at: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:interface:ideas#show_porridge_on_the_eat_menu . 03:03:54 -!- vimpulse has quit [Quit: g'night all.] 03:16:17 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:35:40 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56:06 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:04:41 -!- jld has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:11:25 -!- jld has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:45 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:02:57 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:08 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:04 -!- Textmode has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:52:27 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58:47 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:09:31 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:48 -!- hashc has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:26 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:14 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:07 kilobyte: give archmagi a chance, bro 08:18:11 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:18:11 they're absurdly rare anyway 08:18:59 my current KoBe already found two, and it's before entering Swamp, Shoals or Vaults. 08:21:19 cool, can I have one? 08:21:28 or both, since you're a kobe 08:22:16 !send TGWi robe of the archmagi 08:22:17 Sending robe of the archmagi to TGWi. 08:38:46 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:32 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:20 -!- Noom has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:17:51 -!- lesbian has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:52 -!- lesbian has left ##crawl-dev 11:36:05 -!- MarvinPA has quit [] 11:49:34 -!- monky has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:01 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:12 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:20 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:16 -!- jld has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:24:00 -!- jld has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:47 -!- jld has quit [Client Quit] 13:26:06 -!- jld has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:37 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:54:45 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:14 is it possible to change the colour the player is highlighted in? 14:39:48 it would be nice to colour the background based on clouds or HP or something 14:40:09 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:03 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:12 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:01 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:10:48 -!- Vandal has quit [] 15:12:01 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854]] 15:17:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:48 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:54 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:08 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:27 evening 15:33:55 -!- Vandal has quit [] 15:38:49 afternoon 15:45:07 so who all is working on the new armour formulas? 15:45:39 armour is actually being worked on? 15:45:48 I don't think I've heard about that 15:45:53 elliptic: well, it's a target 15:46:05 i don't know if anyone is actually doing any work towards it yet 15:46:07 sinsi 15:46:13 monky: <3 15:46:32 can't be so bad though, the formula should give AC somewhere between 0.5 and 0.6 and afaik nothing else needs to change 15:47:39 TGWi: well, there's also GDR to think of, and whether light armour needs a nerf, and etc. 15:48:00 Ranged ability cannot be used just to check its range for free (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2854) by doublep 15:49:31 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:14 -!- hashc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:03 Pseudonut (L24 OgHe) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1569 failed. (Shoals:4) 15:52:21 kraken crashin 15:54:50 Pseudonut (L24 OgHe) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1569 failed. (Shoals:4) 15:59:47 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:55 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:04 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:57 -!- Vandal has quit [] 16:25:45 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:04 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:33 03kilobyte * r4856492af8cd 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick.cc: Don't spawn not yet coded monsters. 16:35:33 03kilobyte * ra4fd03bfcfbf 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/clua/ziggurat.lua: Add Spider levels to Zigs, with bonus ghost moths and tarantellas. 16:35:34 03kilobyte * r93a88c99c149 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick.cc: Add vanilla spiders to Spider, they're not dummies anymore. Keep them rare, 16:35:36 03kilobyte * r3797f704dd46 10/crawl-ref/source/makefile: Hard-code the best method for pngcrush. 16:35:36 03kilobyte * r87b6e4cb8eef 10/crawl-ref/source/makefile: Use advpng (package advancecomp) instead if available. 16:36:31 kilobyte: you oughta remove wolf spiders 16:38:25 cow sized... 16:39:10 Spider Zig levels will be pretty underwhelming, unless you manage to get bitten 16:39:31 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:35 let's get rid of these stupid meaningless enums and just use kg 16:39:55 still, ghost moths can potentially cause hell for casters 16:40:26 and if you lack rPois, you'll instantly get into blinking pink poison level :p 16:40:29 sorear: kg? 16:40:44 kilograms 16:40:58 blinking pink poison <3 16:41:07 kilobyte: even a single ghost moth will nuke someone's MP pretty fast 16:41:13 I don't think size is ever used save for trampling 16:41:31 what if you tied strength and dex to size 16:41:38 Eronarn: that's why I added an extra share of them compared to what would normally spawn 16:42:41 heck, this may even make Spider levels a genuine challenge rather than a gimmick... if so, I can reset their weight to 10 rather from 5 silly levels get 16:42:53 TGWi: monsters don't have STR nor DEX 16:43:19 Potions of berserk rage do not highlight at appropriate blood level for vampires (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2855) by Eronarn 16:43:34 oh sorry, size _is_ used. For armour. Which arachnids use really a lot of. 16:45:19 maybe if we gave all mobs kg scores they'd be used 16:45:37 there's already a separate weight stat 16:45:39 sorear: monster weights were actually redone to be not totally insane 16:47:25 blinking pink poison? 16:48:40 we need more status effects with elemental colors 16:48:45 especially ETC_RANDOM 16:48:51 is that a real thing? I've never seen it 16:49:03 TGWi: the actual levels are yellow, light red, deep red. Usually you rarely go above yellow, but a single bite from a redback can put you into deep red instantly. 16:49:13 right 16:49:23 being bit by a hundred top-end spiders at once goes beyond that scale... 16:49:50 (ok, ok, max 8 per turn, but you get the idea) 16:50:08 sorear: chaos brand should use ETC_RANDOM as its weapon colour 16:51:07 that would get annoying 16:51:24 03dolorous * r0067a82e9ae7 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc: Don't spawn not yet coded monsters in classes of beings either. 16:51:28 dire bug: if you have 10,000 hp, the display is cut off 16:52:05 or just 1000 and rot I think 16:52:20 shameful 16:52:34 TGWi: you would get annoying >:( 16:53:00 kilobyte: yes, clearly, the next level should be ETC_FIRE 16:55:46 that reminds me, it'd be nice to standardize status lights 16:55:52 they're a bit haphazard right now 16:55:59 there was some effort put there recently 16:56:27 neat, is there a wiki page? 16:57:05 I don't think so 17:01:00 You guys ever heard of memory failing literally every test in Memtest 86+ but still booting into Windows? 17:03:49 Napkin: I optimized pngcrush from 19 seconds to 8, but you may think about using advpng instead -- total time 37 secs, compared to pngcrush it saves extra 140KB (the times I mentioned are -j1). Still, that's a noticeable increase of build time so not sure if you want that. 17:04:54 Napkin: for snapshot builds, at least. Stable can use -flto and all similar insane optimizations :p 17:05:45 hehe 17:05:49 Vandal: it's likely that's mainboard rather than the memory stick, but in either way, I wouldn't touch that computer with a long pole until that broken part is replaced 17:05:55 so you are saying i should install advpng? 17:06:04 time doesn't matter - it runs during the night 17:06:21 your call, package is advancecomp 17:06:43 _usually_ one can gain from using both, but not for Crawl's combined textures 17:06:49 version 1.15-1 available 17:07:11 will it prefer it automatically? 17:07:12 same as the one I tested it on 17:08:48 kilobyte you mean you wouldn't power it on? 17:08:56 and I think this ram has some history of bad batches 17:09:35 Setting up advancecomp (1.15-1) ... 17:10:28 Vandal: as in, not even boot it since you risk filesystem corruption with any operation 17:10:49 yeah. my hdd was getting scanned on reboot after some crashes 17:10:58 I don't have any essential data though 17:10:59 of course, running memtest86 should be safe 17:11:02 It is just a gaming rig 17:11:19 I already applied for an RMA on the ram with Corsair 17:11:31 but 17:11:35 you're right that it could be the mobo 17:11:47 How can I figure that out? 17:11:57 Just replace the ram and see if it has the same problem? 17:12:08 use another ram stick, or put it into some other computer 17:12:09 yeah 17:12:57 memtest86+ is, by design, far more sensitive than real use 17:13:38 memtest86+ found a problem in seconds for me that only manifested after weeks of running 17:14:09 I disagree -- I've seen broken memory that shows no errors in memtest86 but causes easily repeatable corruption 17:14:53 ah, as a diagnostic tool it is great 17:15:06 03dolorous * r1d5ce22577b6 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Fix Mantis 2855. 17:15:06 I just mean it's not _strictly_ more sensitive 17:18:28 03galehar * r87b100a148d8 10/crawl-ref/source/tilereg-crt.cc: Remove the call to set_transform() in CRTRegion::render() 17:41:33 how much damage does tornado deal over its duration? 17:44:33 in a perfectly open room, 6d(power)/8 * (5+power/50) 17:45:27 a typical power for when you can initially cast it reliable is 60, with 30ish INT and all skills at 27 it's 122 17:46:06 um 17:46:09 that formula is absur 17:46:09 d 17:46:58 WTF... the duration reduction was NOT applied 17:47:50 so right now being hasted + swift gives you *3.3 damage 17:50:33 03kilobyte * r87c29b252e49 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: Fix Tornado not using the delay. This made haste+swift do 3.3x as much damage! 17:51:56 3.3? 17:52:36 the new 2.5 17:52:54 not even, since haste was nerfed 17:53:20 I would understand 2.5 for swiftflyhaste 17:53:30 right, 2.5 17:53:55 so the problem was that duration was supposed to be reduced by moving more quickly? 17:54:06 but it is intentional that fast actions cause damage to happen more quickly? 17:54:36 I think conjured flame works the same way, and it's incredibly weird 17:54:48 the damage is supposed to be not affected by speed 17:54:56 seems like clouds should do X effect every Y yakseconds 17:55:06 yeah 17:55:14 instead of everything happening when things get turns and multiplying it etc 17:55:25 like, it's stupid that beetles take more damage slowly from clouds 17:55:27 is what I'm saying 17:55:42 elliptic: if tornado lasts 100 aut, and you are at normal speed, that's 10 turns, if you're hasted, it's more 17:55:43 beetles take less damage IIRC 17:55:55 elliptic: cloud damage should be reduced to compensate, apparently it wasn't 17:56:20 sorear: yeah, that was what it was _supposed_ to do, and how I was sure I coded it 17:56:23 kilobyte: that's even more stupid then 17:56:33 how does haste work now? 17:56:39 but I remembered to pass the duration argument but then forgotten to actually use it 17:56:43 1.5* 17:56:44 but the tornado damage is applied whenever you take an action, right? 17:56:52 regardless of the speed of the action? 17:57:25 03galehar * r2f966a98be88 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc: Don't put Ash's preserve message when enchanting uncursed items 17:57:38 yes, multiplied by the time that action took 17:57:40 elliptic: weapon swap with tornado 17:57:41 get on it 17:58:04 TGWi: until the commit I just did, weapon swap worked 17:58:16 oh, the damage is multiplied by the time that action took? 17:58:16 kilobyte: it won't make cdo until tomorrow though :P 17:58:33 which was an idiotic brown paper bug, especially since I did think about it before 17:58:54 kilobyte: clouds of flame don't seem to work the same way; they deal damage whenever the recipient has an action, not you 17:59:14 so beetles take damage slowly and bees generate multiple messages. you should fix this, is my point 17:59:26 if tornado damage is proportional to the time your action takes, then weapon swap doesn't actually seem useful, no? 17:59:39 they not only take damage slowly, but take LESS damage, at least the last time I checked 17:59:44 unless this was fixed 17:59:51 it would be nice if the messages hit a queue or something and got printed sensibly 17:59:55 elliptic: since 9 minutes ago, yes 18:00:38 kilobyte: so what was the advantage of weapon swap with tornado before 9 minutes ago? 18:01:24 double damage :p 18:01:24 oh, you just added in the tornado damage dependence on delay 18:01:25 got it 18:01:42 I assumed something else since you said something about duration 18:02:05 yeah, that will definitely help to balance tornado ;) 18:02:32 I said that before since I honestly believed I already coded it that way 18:02:55 hey guys, let's spend the next five minutes repeating ourselves 18:04:37 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 18:08:42 Eronarn: ? 18:20:08 ? 18:31:13 03kilobyte * ra590c00412ea 10/crawl-ref/source/ (spl-damage.cc spl-damage.h stairs.cc): Abort Tornado when taking stairs. 18:31:22 03kilobyte * re1ab0940b9bf 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: Fix reversed logic for Tornado durations. 18:31:25 ... 18:32:18 why abort tornado with stairs? 18:33:45 03kilobyte * ra4ead3e94d90 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc: Revert "Don't put Ash's preserve message when enchanting uncursed items" 18:34:19 TGWi: several people called this a bug 18:35:06 and indeed this is strange to have the winds you spun up follow you through stairs 18:36:37 how about tornado + teleport? how does that work? 18:36:52 I know I've been using tornado + cBlink a lot 18:37:08 tornado + stairs is arguably less strange than either of those 18:39:37 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:15:54 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:17:41 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:36 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:34 it's amazing to me that the lev/flight nerf discussion is happening 21:17:41 Why? 21:20:25 due: because flight+swiftness is like -infinity on the list of probably overpowered spells 21:20:46 and a good half of the proposals are completely awful 21:41:04 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:45:11 what's higher? 21:45:20 (not that *flight* is overpowered, like what lol) 21:45:35 borg, ?? 21:46:05 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:52 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:12 bug: 22:16:14 @??murray 22:16:14 Murray (04z) | Speed: 10 | HD: 14 | Health: 180 | AC/EV: 30/10 | Damage: 20, 20 | Flags: 07undead, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison | XP: 2600 | Sp: summon undead, torment symbol. 22:16:16 @??curse skull 22:16:16 curse skull (11z) | Speed: 10 | HD: 13 | Health: 66 | AC/EV: 40/3 | Flags: 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison | XP: 3758 | Sp: summon undead, torment symbol. 22:16:22 (XP values) 22:17:05 TGWi: tornado, poison arrow, regen, evaporate, meph cloud, sputterflies... 22:17:26 pretty sure PA got nerfed but nobody noticed 22:17:52 it's still pretty great even if it got nerfed somewhere along the line 22:18:09 regardless to consider flight anywhere near anything on that list in terms of brokenness is hilarious 22:18:23 i don't think i've ever even heard anyone mention using flight because it's so minor and forgettable 22:57:28 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:49 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:17:10 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:38 -!- valrus__ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:38 -!- valrus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:04 Windows development builds on CDO updated to: 0.8.0-a0-2564-ga4ead3e 23:36:56 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:26 Unstable branch on CDO updated to: 0.8.0-a0-2564-ga4ead3e (31.12) 23:58:12 -!- valrus__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]