01:30:00 -!- gamefreak264 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:27:26 http://stuff.lifetimeblood.info/jpg_vs_png.png 02:28:22 -!- stabwound has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:29:07 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:17 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:05 03chriscampbell89 * r6a2d32f22db1 10/crawl-ref/source/it_use3.cc: Change ball of seeing/energy confusion to be resistible with clarity. 03:13:33 03by * rb61f9f001cca 10/crawl-ref/source/it_use3.cc: Give the ball of energy a bit of paralysis in return. 03:21:08 that three minute gap was completely worth it :) 03:22:15 teh ebil is you! 03:22:41 that was just deliciously cruel 03:31:05 03by * ra7bf779fa769 10/crawl-ref/source/it_use3.cc: Make evocations skill help with ball of seeing radius. 03:33:29 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:54 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:43 03kilobyte * r9abe0ae6d567 10/crawl-ref/source/ (spl-cast.cc spl-selfench.cc spl-selfench.h): Make trying to cast Death's Door when ineligible cost no time nor MP. 03:44:13 03by * re604e6fcf1ac 10/crawl-ref/source/it_use3.cc: Fix ball of energy paralysis ignoring stasis. 03:51:01 Vampiric draining description tweak (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2529) by MarvintheParanoidAndroid 03:51:54 03by * r0a7ef51e1ff5 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-goditem.cc: Allow stasis to prevent death's door abortion paralysis. 03:57:28 03chriscampbell89 * re638383ec063 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Mention need for evoc skill in caster stave descriptions. 03:59:32 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:42 btw, did you hear that the iOS rules have been changed? I think now there is no rule left anymore that would prevent crawl from being used on iOS devices 04:06:22 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:10:20 03chriscampbell89 * rce5334f76934 10/crawl-ref/source/invent.cc: Don't prompt for unwielding with Warp Weapon 04:10:36 they still disallow any Turing-complete languages being exposed to the user 04:13:25 that would just mean disabling lua parsing for crawlrc though, right? 04:15:06 erm, do you really would consider adding an editable crawlrc to the user? 04:15:53 s/adding/exposing 04:16:32 or just removing crawlrc access 04:17:45 one problem is that crawl doesn't have in-game settable options? 04:18:09 you don't really need to set any options 04:23:42 I'm trying out a few more orb chamber ideas I've had, but it seems they consistently flip with respect to the rest of the vault when there's an even number of them, and never when odd; does anyone know what's going on? 04:30:01 Napkin: that monster thingy on CDO needs updating for s/monsters/monster/ (and evicting variables named "monster") -- but the repository for that tool has divergent commits between the tree in ~/source/monster/ and in your public git repo 04:30:35 Napkin: which one is the real one? It looks like the former, but I'd better ask. 04:36:17 "real" in what sense, kilobyte? 04:37:05 as in, meant for further editing 04:38:07 Local refs configured for 'git push': 04:38:07 bleeding-edge-crawl pushes to bleeding-edge-crawl (fast-forwardable) 04:38:07 master pushes to master (local out of date) 04:38:15 I have no clue - you need to ask greensnark 04:38:33 I haven't had my fingers in it for a long time now 04:38:57 i'd say, that the monster binary is based on the code in ~/source/monster 04:39:16 maybe some changes got --reset'ed hard? 04:40:35 at least two commits from local/master seem to be merged with different messages 04:40:42 and probably the third one too 04:43:17 yay, it wants a password when I want to look at that "local" repository (and not just the copy in .git) 04:46:27 added your key to user git 04:46:39 *your million keys :-P 04:48:46 Napkin: no, I meant, when logged in as crawl@develz, you can't "git remote show local", nor fetch, nor push 04:49:11 I have no real need to push to your repository from the outside 04:49:24 input on dcss:brainstorm:misc:mutations_and_forms welcome 04:49:47 monky: no idea, but that does sound buggy 04:50:32 down to +15 issues for last 30 days 05:00:11 03doy 07colour-patterns * r08d32bf6ec81 10/crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h): make add_element_colour public 05:00:15 03doy 07colour-patterns * r11b2a2d38582 10/crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h dlua.cc l_colour.cc l_libs.h makefile.obj): allow defining colour patterns in lua 05:00:16 03doy 07colour-patterns * r916d9e230065 10/crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h): generate colour names dynamically too 05:00:58 another case for autotools: how can we check if the C library has wcwidth()? 05:02:04 on various platforms, it's defined in plenty of different places... since you're not supposed to care where it really comes from 05:05:07 grepping a long set of files is the antithesis of portability, and link tests tremendously slow down compilation when done on every single invocation of make 05:06:38 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 05:08:50 03dpeg * rab7cc1101dcc 10/crawl-ref/settings/advanced_optioneering.txt: Add by's mindless labyrintheers option to a new file. 05:09:25 so, should merfolk walking be implemented as TRAN_LANDFOLK 05:09:37 that's why I added your key to user git, kilobyte - just try again 05:09:51 be careful with the public repository though, please :) 05:09:59 so, take a look at my termcast 05:10:21 would something along these lines be too weird for actual branch colouring? 05:10:42 what would the branch be called? "mad painter's home"? 05:10:52 heh 05:11:06 at the moment, trying to come up with something more interesting for elf 05:11:26 it doesn't look too distracting 05:11:32 but i feel like something along these lines could be intersting other places too 05:11:56 and these sorts of things are quite easy to define now 05:11:59 in my branch 05:12:06 the white walls are maybe to bright 05:12:19 i think things like portal vaults would benefit the most, really 05:12:30 Napkin: it works correctly from outside (which is not that needed), but not from inside 05:12:56 enable agent forwarding? 05:13:11 Napkin: so I can pull from ~/source/monster and push it to git@crawl.develz.org, but that's an ass-backwards way 05:13:16 it does work, greensnark and me always do it like that 05:14:19 do you understand what I mean, kilobyte? 05:14:42 yeah, it does... even if the concept is wrong :p 05:14:56 not at all 05:15:10 it's exactly according to plan :) 05:22:46 for security, the only sound thing is to have a separate secret key for every machine (counting clusters as one). In this case, if you were evil, you could log in to any place my secret key allows me to get into. 05:23:33 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:24:53 you can edit ssh-server, bash, crawl or any other program I may invoke on your server, and make it ask the ssh agent to help you authenticate for something 05:27:21 the damage I may do to you is contained to things the crawl@develz user may do -- which includes nasty thing to the Crawl server, but nothing outside. At most, I could modify crawl to harvest people's passwords, hoping some use the same password as for something important (most do). 05:28:54 that would of course grossly break the trust you put in me, but is nothing irrecoverable (save for potentially attacking others who do poor security practices) 05:37:01 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:43:38 if we implemented merfolk land form as an actual transformation, they wouldn't be able to cast blade hands on land... 05:45:05 maybe we should do transforms slot-by-slot 05:45:23 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:51 03doy * re191bff3cf55 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files): pass around the coord_def where a glyph is located 05:45:52 03doy * reb772c383587 10/crawl-ref/source/ (branch-data.h colour.cc colour.h): example usage - alternate colors used for walls in elf 05:45:53 03doy * rfe42935f9475 10/crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h showsymb.cc): add waves example 05:45:55 03doy * rb57399d596e2 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): don't require duplicating the coord_def 05:45:57 03doy * rdc739f66a6b4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h main.cc): rewrite elemental colour handling 05:46:01 03doy * r81857496dd95 10/crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h feature.cc show.cc): make trees use the new colour system 05:46:01 I think there's something on the wiki about distinguishing between transforms and morphs 05:46:02 03doy * r1662f12c9852 10/crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h): make add_element_colour public 05:46:03 03doy * re8284b8f1cd0 10/crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h): generate colour names dynamically too 05:46:05 03doy * r0de4de27d140 10/crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h dlua.cc l_colour.cc l_libs.h makefile.obj): allow defining colour patterns in lua 05:46:06 03doy * r811d55ac196d 10/crawl-ref/source/colour.cc: use a slightly less garish colour scheme for elf 05:46:07 03doy * r7d9c54a38ff5 10/crawl-ref/source/branch-data.h: add (more boring) colour changes for geh and tar, to remove darkgrey 05:46:10 03doy * r771a4541e40d 10/crawl-ref/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add docs for colour definitions 05:46:13 monky: yes, another thing Eronarn wrote pages about 05:46:14 (: 05:51:34 doy: that looks awesome 05:51:43 (: 05:52:01 03kilobyte * rdd6dcece999d 10/crawl-ref/settings/advanced_optioneering.txt: Fix a grave world-shattering typo. 05:52:02 03kilobyte * rcf8bbfb4831e 10/crawl-ref/source/ (11 files in 4 dirs): Whitespace fixes. 05:55:03 in any case, time for me to catch a couple hours sleep 05:55:14 03kilobyte * r4f8ba8a27a54 10/crawl-ref/source/directn.cc: Fix compilation. 05:55:31 doy: sleep well 06:01:39 even with 811d55ac196d, Elf is pretty garish. Not ugly, though. 06:02:29 it's still a straw that makes me change my glyph for stone to something other than rock. It's already confusing enough in the Abyss and vaults, it's good to know what is diggable and what not. 06:02:55 (and I already had a different glyph for permarock, which I recommend to everyone else too) 06:08:13 -!- monky has quit [Quit: GOODBYE] 06:17:42 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:30:42 -!- monky has joined ##crawl-dev 06:30:51 -!- OG17 has quit [Quit: OG17] 06:32:16 -!- Spray has joined ##crawl-dev 06:32:20 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:34:34 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:39 Hi! 06:35:17 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:51 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:01 Anyone in? 06:36:13 not really 06:36:20 Okay! 06:37:07 -!- dpeg has quit [Client Quit] 06:37:23 doy landed his coloured thingy this morning 06:37:31 yes, I even replied :) 06:37:56 Shouldn't we have resolved/closed/moved a billion Mantis items by now? 06:37:56 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:30 hi dpeg 06:40:16 Hi! 06:40:54 borsuk's vision of growing/shrinking is pretty cool. 06:42:39 spell idea: Enlarge/Reduce 06:42:47 yes 06:43:01 And for doing it twice, you need higher level or a better spell 06:44:10 we could also tackle draconian's size: they are medium for everything but armour, which is a bit hard to explain 06:45:15 I do disagree about forcing metabolism though: it has more exceptions than regularities, and for good reasons 06:45:47 nagas are the same size as centaurs for both torso and body, yet nagas are supposed to have snake metabolism 06:46:12 trolls and ogres are of the same size, yet trolls are supposed to have that legendary hungering, not ogres 06:48:18 kilobyte: ogres and trolls would have hunger from size and then trolls get additional hunger from regeneration? 06:48:29 being affected by those spells may have an effect on metabolism, but it can be defined explicitely 06:48:42 trolls get far more hunger than regeneration would cause 06:49:11 Don't they have better regeneration too? 06:49:21 So they would have a speciall Regen spell. 06:51:44 normal meta: 3, ogres: 4, trolls: 9. Trolls have fastheal 2, which gives .4 hp/turn (as one ring). 06:52:19 If we assume that one level of fastheal is one level of fastmeta, trolls would have metabolism 6 not 9. 06:52:55 how much is a level of fastmeta? 06:53:31 +1 hunger 06:53:43 but it could be nonlinear in level 06:53:56 so trolls would have 3 base, +1 size, +2 fastmeta, which is still three points short. 06:53:57 +2,+5,+8 06:54:06 and bingo, trolls at 9 06:54:30 this is not just about trolls -- making hunger more relevant seems to be good in general 06:54:35 that would screw people with random mutations even more, since they get none of troll benefits 06:54:58 Why? hunger fastmeta could be just +1,+2,+3 06:55:22 it currently is +1,+2,+3 06:55:28 None of ^ has to be done. Just saying that I believe linking base nutrition to size/shape may need less exceptions than you think. 06:56:01 kilobyte: I always found it odd that regen has same hunger as hunger mut. Yuo get something for regen, so you can also have more hunger. 06:56:46 those meeting it: Sp, Ha, Og, Ce. Exceptions: Ko, Mu, Vp, Na, Tr. 06:57:06 Mu and Vp are okay as exceptions 06:57:13 Ko should just have carnivore? 06:57:37 they have carnivore and meta 3, while with that proposal it would be 2 06:57:38 Na might take some additional hunger. 06:58:14 RL snakes have exceptionally slow metabolism, so I'd go the other way: decrease rather than increase naga hunger. 06:59:03 all these security concerns have nothing to do with ssh-key, kilobyte 06:59:16 kilobyte: I don't see a problem with monster genera getting hunger modifiers 06:59:53 by: do you have any means of debugging that Windows crash of adamo? It doesn't happen on any Linux platform, but on Windows, it's both in 0.7.1 and 0.7-current 07:00:08 the best security is trust - and I do trust the people who have console access to crawl@develz.org. 07:01:29 and yes, you need to trust the person having root access on my server - me. 07:01:44 Napkin: I am not going to do anything bad there, but principles are principles. 07:02:00 Napkin: not just root, anyone with access to that account can do that 07:02:01 your principle being "not use ssh-agent"? 07:02:10 no, that's wrong, kilobyte 07:02:29 no, "limiting damage anyone can do to me" 07:02:53 like, I could cause havoc on crawl@develz.org, but can't root your home computer 07:02:53 no, you are right 07:03:20 but you can do that too, without ssh 07:03:41 using ssh-agent into a machine is same as having that machine store that secret key you are using to log into it 07:03:57 which is ok in most cases, but not for shared accounts 07:06:01 so, what do you suggest instead? 07:06:14 you, by, greensnark, due are all trustworthy. But if somehow one of us trips one another's ego, it may turn ugly. Or, if one of us has his home machine rooted. Or, and this is my main point -- we get used to trusting everyone, and do that to someone we should not, like many co-workers. 07:07:10 we agree upon that already, even though I see things a big more optimistic than you, it seems 07:07:29 but the point is, what do you suggest to make things work? 07:07:38 in a more secure way 07:07:41 in this particular case, crawl@develz.org may have its own secret key which is trusted by git@develz.org. This does not decrease security in any way. 07:07:44 i'm always open to suggestions 07:08:08 it does - currently only you and greensnark and me have access to the git repository 07:08:20 I want that regulated separately 07:09:08 so a key for crawl is not ok - secured by password would be too cumbersome 07:09:27 in this case, it may be better to access it only from the outside 07:09:51 also, if the login is ever hacked (dgamelaunch for some reason dropping users to non-chrooted console) everyone would have access to the git too 07:10:30 and how can user crawl push to the repository? 07:11:22 in one of the previous workplaces, a co-worker we trusted used his access to steal the company's customers and use that to work for them on his own time (actually, mostly the company's, too) 07:11:52 then, the boss told me to read through his mail to see if there's something to be found 07:12:08 not unheard, yet both illegal 07:13:49 kilobyte: no, no windows access at all 07:13:53 and I did find... he had multiple sexual affairs and stored some naked photos he used to exchange with his flames on the mail server. I did partially disobey the boss, did keep the mails (as ordered) but encrypted them and said I will release that only if the guy, say, burns down an orphanage. 07:14:20 this is all among people who are supposed to trust each other 07:15:07 (and told the boss that there's only "nasty but personal stuff", without detailing what was there) 07:15:58 the guy used to be a good friend, too 07:17:19 that's the reason I don't have problems with, say, granting dpeg access to a server of mine, or don't feel bad having access to cdo, but I strongly preach compartmentalizing trust... 07:18:34 kilobyte: also, things are not eternal. 07:18:49 Friendship can turn sour astoninshlingly fast. 07:19:52 I could imagine that Brent (suppose he were nominally around) had some hard feelings. 07:20:07 (I believe he has no feelings towards Crawl these days at all, but not sure.) 07:21:04 are you supposed to still be able to attack submerged monsters with reaching? 07:21:23 MarvinPA: unsure 07:21:33 MarvinPA: many thanks for the help on the Mantis front, btw. You rock :) 07:22:04 no problem, i got bored so opened a bunch of tabs for old issues that i think are old/obsolete :P 07:22:14 i'll add notes to a couple more in a bit 07:23:34 that is good 07:23:36 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23:39 It is as annoyign for us. 07:25:18 could you (or any other dev) possibly close #2529 and #2398? they're issues i reported that should probably just be closed with no change required, i think 07:26:05 not sure what they are about, but I can close, sure 07:26:38 just minor things that people then pointed out weren't actually an issue, it's explained in the notes for both i think 07:29:21 done 07:30:49 thanks :) 07:36:57 dpeg_: where should I put test-only vaults? I want one that has an example of every type of wall in sight at once, yet we have no file for vaults meant for wizmode &L only. 07:37:12 would be a slight abuse of mini-features.des acceptable? 07:37:49 why not make a new file? 07:40:01 MarvinPA: thanks for the mantis work! 07:40:34 no problem :) 07:43:51 hmm, i wonder if i have some different setting to you, kilobyte 07:43:56 re: hill orcs and rotten chunks 07:44:32 wizmoding to a human definitely marks them as useless, then going to a hill orc makes them useful again 07:50:05 MarvinPA: it's not colored as useless, yet "d," drops them 07:50:21 hm, that's not happening for me 07:51:06 i guess it would depend on your drop_filter settings, maybe? 07:51:14 mine's probably default, whatever that is 07:52:02 drop_filter = useless_item, yeah 07:52:25 Submerged monsters do not move (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2530) by evktalo 07:57:26 Monster descriptions shouldn't obfuscate size categories (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2531) by OG17 08:00:20 MarvinPA: got it, my bad. I had a setting from an old version of crawl 08:00:58 aha 08:01:18 http://tmp.cyc.dy.fi/powerwatching.png 08:02:37 joosa: I'd say "<3", if not for your Window decoration. Please tell me it's just a fake theme :p 08:03:01 Currently on Win7, sadly :( 08:03:57 I am planning to integrate multiple session watching in rhf, possibly depending on your terminal size 08:04:49 nice, but: apt-get install terminator 08:05:21 Right now I'm using MinTTY from Cygwin 08:06:07 I'll have a look at terminator! tmux is nice but it's a bit fiddly 08:06:44 AT least it's better than GNU screen :P 08:09:35 tmux adds a lots of gimmicks, but when it comes to actually useful features, screen is still better 08:10:03 although it does have its downsides -- the one that hurts me personally is only 16-bit support for Unicode 08:10:23 Speaking of terminals, has there been any talk on supporting 256-colour terminals in Crawl? 08:10:34 joosa: yeah, on the wiki 08:10:39 Cool! 08:11:14 bad news for you: at least I am not going to do that. 08:11:57 I plan to fix Unicode handling instead, and push for it to be the default 08:12:06 Nice 08:12:31 Identify items worn/wielded by minions as if you've worn/wielded them (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2532) by ledtim 08:12:50 Maybe someone should rewrite the whole pseudo-terminal system to be more 2010 :) 08:13:18 Web 2.0 revolution for text mode 08:14:19 even konsole has got most of its egregious bugs fixed 08:14:38 the only big issue left is handling of key codes (especially Esc) 08:16:41 I agree with the difficulties mentioned in that article 08:18:24 Implementation issues aside, most of it would be only eye candy in the end 08:19:18 But having nice fadeout effects and more random colours in Abyss would definitely be fun :) 08:23:31 back 08:23:37 kilobyte: make a new des file, please 08:23:56 mmm des files 08:24:45 The dark grey issue is silly, some term settings display it as "bold black", which it is, anyway 08:27:16 -!- blue_anna has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:26 I've seen playes substitute blue for it 08:28:18 where is the code for writing to the saves directory? 08:28:38 joosa: buggy terminals I know are: MacOS's terminal.app, osso-xterm, console of certain truly ancient Red Hats. 08:31:04 anyone know -- or how I can debug a saves incompatibilidad error? 08:31:13 MarvinPA: anything open that should be resolved right now? 08:31:52 agh I can't seem to reproduce the troubles I've been having with the zot:5 subvaults in other vaults :( 08:31:59 hmm, i think rob and kilobyte went through and resolved all the issues i added notes to 08:32:03 :) 08:32:09 monky: the zot vaults work now! 08:32:13 MarvinPA: cool! 08:32:29 dpeg_: I've been trying out a few more ideas I've had, but I ran into a strange problem 08:33:08 monky: you can open a mantis item with the simplest map having the proble, 08:33:12 dpeg_: for some reason they get consistently flipped one way when there's an even number of them and a different way when odd 08:33:21 dpeg_: the problem is, I can't reproduce it in simple maps 08:33:30 monky: subvaultsß 08:33:39 yes I've tried 08:33:48 monky, is there a ticket? 08:34:26 no because I can't really think of how to report it without making dummy Zot:5 subvaults 08:39:10 03by * rd92fa93efd1e 10/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc: Make running stop check use map_knowledge for features. 08:39:11 03by * r436185baf4ea 10/crawl-ref/source/ (godabil.cc godabil.h): A monster_info variant of fedhas_passthrough. 08:39:12 03by * rb2a5a314b400 10/crawl-ref/source/ (externs.h travel.cc): Rename runrest::run_grids_changed. 08:39:15 03by * r3a274c9f945d 10/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc: Consult map knowledge for running abort checks. 08:39:18 03by * rf1593415c004 10/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc: Stop running for exclusions. (#2515) 08:42:05 MONS_UNUSED_ were misnumbered in enum.h! 08:42:36 there were twelve enumerations between 330 and 340 08:43:38 uhm, that would fail badly for games on CDO 08:43:56 kilobyte, Im suspecting that CDO and trunk are out of synch? because doy said he tested it 08:44:06 but I am working off trunk 08:44:11 there were 12 enums in that range 08:44:27 in trunk: gdb ./crawl;print (int)MONS_UNUSED_331 -> 331 08:44:46 MONS_GERYON is 340 08:45:15 kilobyte, yes 08:45:28 and above that there are 9 MONS_UNUSED_XXX .. right? 08:45:45 ELF_BLADEMASTER is 330 08:46:07 330 is MONS_DEEP_DWARF 08:46:28 well .. I dont have changes since last evening 08:46:34 I guess you might have added your stuff there, pushing enums forward 08:46:37 330 was ELF_BLADEMASTER when I pulled 08:46:47 kilobyte, no I added it after 08:46:57 I didnt change anything before elf blademaster 08:48:00 MONS_DEEP_DWARF is 330 in trunk.. right now? 08:48:10 I just checked, 328 08:48:14 I'm thinking to rollback my rebase and redo it with todays changes 08:48:58 because I get the save file corrupted thing :( I just checked and the enums are still off somewhere apparently 08:49:14 well, rebasing is lots of work that is error prone, I wouldn't bother with that 08:49:43 kilobyte, yea I know .. its the primary thing Im responsible for :( 08:50:04 -!- Iainuki has quit [Quit: Iainuki] 08:51:31 is there any way to make sure specific subvaults don't flip relative to their respective parents? 08:51:40 monky, yes 08:51:49 oh good what is it 08:52:17 no_rotate no_hmirror no_vmirror 08:52:35 TAGS 08:52:40 never heard of the no_mirroring ones; good to know they exists 08:52:44 -s 08:52:49 um 08:52:59 no_mirror is no_hmirror|no_vmirror I ibelieve. 08:53:27 so no_rotate no_mirror would be shorter :) 08:53:53 no_move no_touch no_even_look 08:54:02 no_place :P 08:54:10 and that :p 08:54:14 a map for out of the game only :) 08:54:22 03kilobyte * r3ac724cfd504 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/test.des: Add a testing vault. 08:54:24 03kilobyte * r6ac841fbdda9 10/crawl-ref/settings/init.txt: Don't suggest a bad drop_filter. 08:54:39 03kilobyte * rae7e904710d7 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: A yet another minivault. 08:54:48 like that feat_test I just added 08:55:22 bad drop_filter: good_item, any weapon ego:any ... 08:55:41 ^^ 08:59:36 aha! 08:59:43 NORBERT was missing 09:00:15 yea there must have been a point at which trunk was building bad saves yesterday, but already it is past 09:00:20 he went a while ago, along with duane and someone else 09:00:27 francis 09:00:34 MarvinPA, they are in enum.h in trunk now 09:00:41 I mean, on the sourceforge page .. is that accurate? 09:00:51 hm, no idea 09:01:01 http://crawl-ref.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crawl-ref/trunk/crawl-ref/source/enum.h?revision=10776&view=markup 09:01:15 I guess its not 09:01:16 damn 09:03:10 thats 11 months old :P 09:07:25 that's svn 09:07:27 we're using git now 09:07:36 due I caught up 09:07:39 :) 09:07:49 ammo of frost and wands of frost/cold doesn't slow down cold blooded creatures (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2533) by galehar 09:09:30 Why should they/ They don't freeze. 09:09:40 Throw icicle doesn't slow cold blooded creatures either. 09:11:16 when people save save compatibility breaks when you add monsters, unless you add them at the end .. is that before NUM_MONSTERS, or after? 09:11:46 I added some just after the holy monsters (the last ones) and Im wnodering now if it should be on the other side of num monsters 09:12:30 before NM_MONSTERS 09:12:50 ok good 09:12:56 blue_anna: add them at the end, or REPLACING existing ones 09:13:10 hint: we want to get rid of MONS_UNUSED_### 09:13:37 kilobyte, the block that was assigned to dwarfs was just too small for the mosnters already in it 09:13:45 otherwise I would have kept them all there 09:14:16 I have two slots left there .. and 6 monsters to stuff in 09:14:19 :) 09:14:35 we can sort them when the compat breaks... since it's probably not worth adding shims for that 09:14:39 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:46 none of them are deep_dwarfs though so it isnt that pressed to keep them together 09:16:04 you know there's 6 slots for creatures in the main list before spriggans.. I wouldnt mind taking those slots if no one minds :) 09:17:00 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:17:19 take them, please... and allow us to merge some of your stuff, so the chance of divergence is reduced 09:17:21 03by * rfd080e3fb3f1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h mon-cast.cc mon-place.cc mon-place.h spl-summoning.cc): Shadow creatures summons only mobile monsters. 09:17:33 by: yay! 09:17:50 this doesn't exactly make that mess that is mon-place.cc any better :) 09:18:15 oh well... 09:20:32 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:19 -!- Spray has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:28:14 anyone mind if I add mon-place to the brainstorm or some other page? 09:28:35 I have a decent generic plan but I dont know Im ready to just write it yet 09:29:27 sure, add it to the wiki; probably some new page is best, though maybe something fitting exists? 09:30:23 I searched mon-place.cc .. my dhfh page is the only place that already talks about it :P 09:30:34 I'll make a mon-place.cc page then 09:36:46 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mon-place.cc 09:37:04 Eronarn will hunt you down 09:56:38 -!- roberto_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:52 -!- blue_anna has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:57:04 -!- roberto_ is now known as blue_anna 10:02:58 03by * re735067add49 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): Inscribe "was cursed" for items uncursed using enchant foo. (#1791) 10:04:35 03Keskitalo * r4fa4465a0e3b 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-item.txt: Rematch dc-item.txt with itemprop-enum.h. Fixes #2156. 10:06:53 yay, 30 day balance is negative! 10:08:12 is it just just enum.h enumerations that are in the save file? 10:08:36 or itemprop-enum.h too maybe 10:08:44 it's not safe to assume that, no 10:09:10 anyone know if recent cdo windows builds have wizard mode again? 10:10:44 kilobyte: so do you have other suggestions for elf colors? 10:11:48 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:00 different colours for DE/HE/SE? 10:18:32 spicier colours and no darkgrey floor 10:18:35 if that is the case wierdly I've always imagined DE as red, HE as yellow and SE as green for no particular reason 10:19:45 casmith789: i mean wall/floor colours 10:19:55 ah 10:20:13 ooh thank god :P thats one miserably colored branch 10:21:51 LIGHTGREY and MAGENTA ? 10:22:44 I guess DARKGREY instead of light 10:23:39 no, the whole point is to get rid of darkgrey 10:23:54 and you should look at what it looks like now, i changed it 10:26:44 is it really a problem if friendly wandering mushrooms walk into your conjured flames and cause piety loss? 10:27:10 yours, no 10:27:24 you burn you, you buy it, I say :D 10:27:32 ** you burn it 10:30:40 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:54 03by * r5951275b1e9a 10/crawl-ref/source/misc.cc: Don't open transparent secret doors with warnings. (#1417) 10:47:05 03by * r504a94a174f3 10/crawl-ref/source/ng-restr.cc: Unrestrict SpEE. (#1665) 10:47:38 @??ophan 10:47:39 ophan (05G) | Speed: 10 | HD: 15 | Health: 74-116 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Flags: 08holy, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), asphyx | XP: 1852 | Sp: b.fire (3d24), holy flames. 10:47:41 @??wiglaf 10:47:42 Wiglaf (08@) | Speed: 7 | HD: 17 | Health: 140 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Damage: 42 | Flags: see invisible | Res: 06magic(113) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1742 | Sp: might, haste. 10:48:34 it was broken... first successful update since July 20 10:50:19 surely SpEE wasn't even close to the most incorrectly restricted combo 10:50:41 KoHu, for instance :) 10:51:17 yeah, just didn't feel like closing or moving to the wiki -- couldn't really care less about the restrictions 10:51:34 we should mark stuff like MDFi as restricted :p 10:51:49 definitely :) 10:52:21 or more seriously, finally boost AC by a large factor 10:53:51 yeah, someone needs to get on that for 0.8 10:54:03 because that's going to require a lot of testing 11:14:48 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:23:15 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:38 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25:10 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:49 -!- eith_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:07 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:31 could someone with access move blue_anna's mon-place.cc to dcss:brainstorm:monster:random_generation (merge it there or a subpage), please? 11:44:40 by, I thought there had to be a page .. I searched mon-place.cc but came up with no hits 11:44:42 I'll move it 11:45:07 but rob has to unlock it first 11:45:09 ;) 11:45:42 blue_anna: naming things after random bits of the source isn't really useful 11:45:55 because most people giving us ideas aren't very familiar with the source 11:47:21 blue_anna: don't worry; I just don't think we have rights to move pages 11:47:40 just ran into the random gen page accidentally 11:49:28