00:04:17 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:06:59 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:59 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:18 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:49 Subvaultify orb chamber; alternative orb chamber (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2458) by MrMisterMonkey 02:32:22 the ambient noise changes seem quite noticable in crypt 02:32:23 03doy * r73320bf7ffd3 10/crawl-ref/source/ (10 files in 3 dirs): allow the serpent of hell to spawn in any hell branch 02:32:33 st_: they were meant to 02:32:41 it's good of course 02:33:20 also, some of those serpent of hell changes might be a bit harsh, but i don't think overly so 02:34:02 and due, mu, anyone else familiar with mapping, please look over the vault changes i made, to make sure they didn't break anything 02:34:12 i tested them reasonably thoroughly though 02:36:19 Is there a setting to change the beam animation speed? 02:36:19 demigod skeletons are as big a kobolds what :P 02:36:24 ie. to slow it down 02:36:33 st_: heh 02:38:09 No? 02:38:30 M-Kaibigan: no idea, it'd be documented in options_guide.txt if it exists 02:38:39 It's not there :< 02:38:43 * M-Kaibigan thinks of a new FR 02:38:54 I like seeing the beams hit things 02:39:05 They're too fast to see as they are now 02:39:20 Maybe it's based on travel speed 02:39:22 * M-Kaibigan test. 02:44:30 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:24 does it mean anything that I held my ground after being trampled? 02:51:37 it was a spectral dragon that did it 02:51:56 my guess is it means you didn't move back into that wall 02:52:05 ^ 02:52:31 oh yeah, I wasn't paying attention to that 02:54:56 Vampire batr? 02:54:57 Cool 02:55:07 what was that big as a kobold? 02:55:12 are all small zombies big as kobolds? 02:55:28 Vampire bats can kneel at altars so 02:55:39 I think it was added for show_player_species, like demigods and kenku which are all as big as kobolds 02:56:02 demigods are smaller than humans?? 02:56:13 their skeletons are apparently 02:56:52 I'm guessing it's an oversight, since sizes were never displayed ingame until now 02:57:01 Maybe 02:57:12 Put in a FR 02:57:24 * M-Kaibigan looks at monky. 02:57:30 I'd say it sounds more buggy than feature requestey 02:57:39 Or maybe the skele/zombie hunches back so much it that it looks small. 02:57:46 And shrivels up... 02:57:52 well I'd test but I have to recompile 02:57:56 so I'm doing that 02:57:57 Necromutation should make you as small as a dwarf 02:58:10 are dwarves small yet? 02:58:20 Don't knoa 02:59:04 heh, ?/M "dwarf" bring up wayne/francis 03:02:27 I love the drac glyph 03:02:33 So cute 03:02:55 But what are those red ~ 03:03:52 Ah 03:03:54 Antennae 03:04:00 What a freaky draconian 03:04:21 New option to set beam animation display speed (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2459) by StudioMK 03:09:03 silent spectres are pretty awesome 03:09:18 Are these new monsters? 03:09:23 Crypt overhaul? 03:09:37 that's the only new one 03:09:42 Oh 03:09:57 Cause I was cruising the abyss and a massive area was silenced 03:10:02 Probably the spectre then 03:20:27 regarding skeleton size, I tried creating some small skeletons in wizmode, and small skeletons seem to all be kobold-sized and large skeletons ogre-sized 03:21:27 same with zombies of course 03:23:34 MMmmm 03:23:41 Bug then? 03:23:46 More an oversight right 03:37:30 doy: thanks for fighting for sane code; we'll have to watch out things aren't snuck in by committers with lower standards :) 03:39:57 by: and what about not properly capitalizing commit messages? :p 03:40:00 03:40:42 yes, that's terrible 03:40:57 also greensnark's overly long first commit message lines 03:41:51 though I'm not sure humorous commit summaries are the way to go either :) 03:43:05 yay the compile getting nuked if you mistype "make debug" 03:58:27 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:54 Keskitalo, Napkin, due: please update windows builds 03:59:24 is that your default join message on this channel, ortoslon? ;> 03:59:34 no 03:59:34 do we use ' form something? 03:59:52 (re ` for clouds) 03:59:59 ' is open doors iirc 04:00:17 oh right 04:02:14 ` is good sometimes but for clouds with dark colours (miasma, sometimes freezing clouds) it can be a bit hard to see 04:02:29 with my font at least 04:03:27 ` is a bit too small and elevated for my tastes 04:03:40 - and ] seem to be unused, or am I missing something again 04:03:49 not that they'd necessarily make good clouds 04:04:21 - might work though 04:04:34 I'll try it 04:05:06 + is nice and substantial, but it makes grey smoke look like a bunch of doors :( 04:05:38 - doesn't seem bad 04:06:33 they're ok for clouds in dungeon type areas, but ` and I'd guess - look bad in the swamp 04:09:31 feature = cloud {-} 04:09:34 just use ະ :p 04:09:36 is that how to do it? 04:10:03 cset_ascii = cloud:- 04:10:23 thanks 04:10:43 feature applies to a single feature, cset_* does the whole glyph 04:11:35 also clouds aren't features 04:11:52 oh, right :p 04:13:15 character set 04:14:55 by: I use overly long commit message lines just so the CIA bot announces something meaningful :P 04:15:41 I don't actually care :) 04:15:46 The first-line-should-be-short thing is only a git guideline anyway :P 04:15:55 It's like the pirate code :P 04:16:51 - for clouds (with my font at leaast) seems easy to overlook for important clouds 04:16:57 though you might get used to it 04:17:36 how about = for clouds, - for rings? 04:17:49 ASCII is really limited for our purposes. And all platforms we support can do Unicode. 04:18:16 what about having a more limited set of current cset_unicode as the default? 04:18:24 Does win32 console do proper unicode display on WinXP 04:18:39 greensnark: yeah, if you use the fooW api 04:18:44 Ah 04:19:02 without it, it's broken in non-western language versions, like Polish 04:19:38 I'd suggest we keep a functional ascii charset even if unicode is the default 04:20:03 I'd want to have the current charset as mere presets 04:20:24 Would it be nonsense to move doors and then put clouds on + 04:20:42 Why are clouds being changed at all, may I ask? :) 04:20:56 writing CP437 when the system's locale is something else is just broken... I intend to fix that once I'm done with saves (and I'm close) 04:21:08 they look like walls, particularly steam/grey smoke clashes with stone walls 04:21:12 greensnark: because you can walk through them basically 04:21:38 they not only use the same glyph as something completely different, the use the same glyph+color 04:23:34 shrug 04:23:42 None of the alternatives make me ecstatic 04:23:54 I'd rather keep # than have something ultra weird like + or ` 04:23:56 or = :P 04:24:20 But as usual, this is subjective so if people want it go for it :) 04:24:23 % 04:29:37 we can use 0 for something, the Orb has no need to have a glyph different from, say, runes 04:30:54 doomrl uses 0 for exploding barrels :) 04:33:54 Clouds on & and pan lords on 0! 04:34:44 The orb is special though 04:34:49 Scroll burn/potion freeze messages are no longer coloured red (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2460) by Amonchakad 04:35:12 But why change cloud glyph 04:36:33 M-Kaibigan: <+kilobyte> they not only use the same glyph as something completely different, the use the same glyph+color 04:37:35 Oh right 04:38:14 you can redefine it to something you can tell apart, but 99.9% players use the default 04:38:47 If it kept changing colours even when the no actions were made... 04:38:54 But I guess that's a limitation of the engine? 04:39:37 Or it could flash, and when a monster is in it flash between the monster and the cloud 04:41:13 some clouds don't even have elemental colouration at all 04:41:15 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:16 e.g. steam 04:43:21 it'd waste quite a bit of bandwidth+cpu if the player is idle for an hour 04:43:49 What about trying out underlines 04:43:52 s/bandwidth/number of packets/ 04:44:04 Underline + existing glyph 04:44:09 So you can tell what's beneath it (if anything) 04:44:12 lots of terminals don't support them 04:45:01 it's just xterm/rxvt/putty/gnome terminal that do 04:45:09 is there a way to make it a highlighted # currently? I'd like to try that 04:45:37 what do you mean by "highlighted"? A bright colour? 04:45:42 But a 0 would.. 04:45:43 Hmmmm 04:46:22 well, like a sleeping monster is highlighted blue, the clouds would be a black # and highlighted whatever colour they are 04:46:36 0 looks good with my font 04:46:38 +1 for 0 04:46:46 Looks like a blast of some kind of clou 04:46:47 d 04:47:14 But then so does * 04:48:11 I would use * but some other things use * and I'd rather not move them 04:48:19 What else uses * 04:48:21 Apart from beams 04:48:22 st_: ah, you mean background colour 04:48:30 orbs of destruction, orbs of fire, ball lightnings 04:48:36 Oh 04:48:40 Those can be 0 04:48:41 orbs, some holyhaul stuff 04:48:41 doy: Nice work with the Serpent :) 04:48:43 Like the orb 04:48:57 Or the orb gets moved to * 04:49:02 And 0 is used 04:49:16 doy: The crawl.mpr("placing the serpent") might tip off the player though :) 04:49:24 greensnark: heh 04:50:09 if my configs at all work, they should move mimcs to x, because I really dislike mushing things e.g. items and monsters :( 04:50:27 mimcs 04:50:32 mimics 04:51:04 identified mimics on a monster glyph is one of the things I like about nethack interface 04:51:32 Unidentified mimics are annoying with Ctrl - F 04:51:40 "Oh. I actually have a demon blade I can use..." 04:51:48 Then I travel several thousands of turns and it's a mimic 04:52:04 btw, should it be "the mimic hits you" or "the runed shield hits you" 04:52:09 Heh 04:52:16 currently gold mimics do the latter while others do the former 04:52:20 I like the runed shield 04:52:21 well unless mimics are removed, changing searching would render it abusable :( 04:52:37 don't gold mimics also use the name "pile of gold coins" rather than "mimic" 04:52:48 But that would add confusion with dancing weapons? 04:52:53 and last time I looked at monsterdb, they also did wimpier damage 04:53:06 (recently I think it started producing errors so I dunno) 04:53:57 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 05:00:49 monky: yes 05:00:57 @??gold mimic 05:00:57 Unexpected failure generating monster for gold mimic 05:01:02 Surprise! 05:01:03 that's broken too 05:01:48 @??rat hd:1000000 05:02:25 rat (07r) | Speed: 10 | HD: 1000000 | Health: 2495477-2504763 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Damage: 3 | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 7560. 05:02:53 So much HP but only 7k XP 05:02:57 Broken right 05:04:04 from what I see it's more broken that gretell allows such queries 05:04:24 why? 05:04:29 @??rat speed:20 05:04:29 unknown monster: "rat speed:20" 05:04:30 unrealisticly high hd I mean 05:04:34 :< 05:04:36 Presumably because it provokes stupid discussions 05:04:37 it's not broken 05:04:37 It's possible 05:04:42 After years of grinding 05:04:44 With a mummy 05:04:47 well, no 05:04:54 but a vault could, in theory, place that monster 05:05:05 I assume no such vault would ever be approved 05:05:14 Xom vault 05:05:20 "Why won't this rat die..." 05:05:32 wouldn't the game take forever to generate it 05:05:37 gretell sure had a hard time 05:05:41 Somewhere symbol of torment would be usefull 05:07:24 Why are we ifdefing mon-data defs? 05:07:29 cool idea for serpent of hell 05:07:33 Isn't mon-data independent of the monster enum order 05:07:40 At least it was last time I looked 05:11:59 due: before you hit the bed, could you tell me which of the names for Wayne you proposed yesterday do you prefer? 05:12:06 since you don't like just "Wayne" 05:12:18 Wiglaf 05:12:24 due: thanks 05:12:25 -!- M-Kaibigan has quit [] 05:12:29 If you use wiglaf 05:12:30 greensnark: it is 05:12:33 I will give you sexual favours for a year 05:12:46 due: sorry, wrong gender 05:12:53 well, if you change your mind :D 05:14:42 Haha, Wiglaf 05:14:51 That's a Big Laff :) 05:15:05 greensnark: He's from Beoowulf. 05:15:13 Beooowulf? :P 05:15:18 Oui 05:34:58 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:39:25 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:51 !tell blue_anna The third patch is out of sync with master; the change to monster_type player_mons(...) is already semantically done. 05:44:51 Keskitalo: OK, I'll let blue_anna know. 05:46:51 Hmh, I started over, and now the first patch isn't applying at all.. 05:48:12 Duh, forgot to actually roll back. 05:48:38 maybe suggest to blue_anna to put her stuff on github or so? 05:52:23 by: +2147483647 05:52:34 !tell blue_anna Rest applied smoothly, although 15 has been applied to trunk so can be taken out of the package. by suggests github to host your branch. 05:52:34 Keskitalo: OK, I'll let blue_anna know. 06:03:59 it turns out the gold vs. other mimic messaging weirdness is already rotting in the depths of mantis 06:04:38 by: blue_anna is a he afaik 06:05:00 Also might be a good idea to review those patches before applying them 06:05:49 definitely 06:06:12 The discussions I've seen involving blue_anna have filled me with grave concerns :P 06:06:44 greensnark: It compiles, deploy it! :D 06:06:54 s/deploy/destroy/ 06:07:22 I'm just taking a look, won't be applying. 06:08:14 most of the ideas are good, and it's not that hard to massage the code into our standards 06:09:06 (I'm not touching anything non-trivial until I'm done with saves, though) 06:09:21 personally I don't see the need for new content; definitely wouldn't like to see it merged unless it's in really good shape 06:10:25 merged: yes, enabled: no 06:10:50 just like Shoals, present since 0.4 so we could get them polished 06:11:13 kilobyte: "it's not that hard to massage the code into our standards" <-- that's been proven wrong a few times :P 06:12:41 If the code is already in good shape, OR if someone on the core team wants to take ownership of the new feature and be responsible for the bugfixes, etc. cool 06:12:48 new monsters and spells are not rocket science, it's not anything like core infrastructure such as LOS or pathing 06:13:11 Yeah, but blue_anna has not inspired me with confidence; quite the opposite 06:13:26 Just look at the discussions he's been involved in in scrollback here 06:13:47 I'm not saying his patches will be bad; I'm saying that they merit careful scrutiny 06:14:51 I do feel bad about heaps of monsters added without good discussions and good reasons, but fixing this kind of code would be quite easy 06:15:20 Cool, if you're willing to be point man on any bugfixes and polish needed go for it :) 06:16:21 at least parts like monsters using rods could be polished+merged outright, that has no design questions 06:16:35 Sure, if the code looks good 06:16:47 hmm.. could it be, that the ctrl+t setting is not saved? 06:16:56 Napkin: Don't think it's saved 06:16:59 !coffee Napkin 06:16:59 * Henzell hands Napkin a mug of irish coffee, brewed by Crazy Yiuf. 06:17:04 :D 06:17:04 Irish :) 06:17:08 !coffee greensnark 06:17:08 * Henzell hands greensnark a mug of caf� au lait, brewed by Cerebov. 06:17:16 ow, hot! :D 06:17:51 how can you drink that foul liquid is beyond me. Tea, on the other hand... 06:18:17 tea is good, but often tastes.. "empty" compared 06:18:30 Tea is for people who are not in good health :P 06:18:43 I like tea when I'm sick :P 06:18:48 i miss coffee D: 06:19:19 I feel much better after drinking tea: "Things may be bad, but at least I'm no longer drinking that tea!" 06:19:22 !coffee Mu_ 06:19:22 * Henzell hands Mu_ a pot of cappuccino, brewed by Ijyb. 06:19:31 ;p 06:20:49 i have green tea and apple juice 06:21:06 there are only three things I consider to be completely out of question: tripe, black pudding and coffee (well, and boiling tar or such, but that's not usually considered to be food) 06:21:50 never had a chance to taste fermented herring or durians, so I can't say anything about those 06:52:01 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:00 -!- monky has quit [Quit: GOODBYE] 07:36:14 :) 07:36:14 blue_anna: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:36:18 I would imagine the name says it all 07:36:23 "fermented herring " :) 07:36:33 !messages 07:36:33 (1/2) Keskitalo said (1h 51m 42s ago): The third patch is out of sync with master; the change to monster_type player_mons(...) is already semantically done. 07:36:49 !messages[2] 07:36:50 (1/1) Keskitalo said (1h 44m 16s ago): Rest applied smoothly, although 15 has been applied to trunk so can be taken out of the package. by suggests github to host your branch. 07:38:57 any chance I can get a hosted fork for my branch with the actual project, rather than running my own fork concurrently? 07:40:16 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:42 !coffee 07:41:42 * Henzell hands joosa a pot of cappuccino, brewed by Sigmund. 07:42:47 I have an lua crawl.random2(3) call that has returned 0 the past 7 times in a row :( I'm starting to wonder 07:43:02 blue_anna: I think that would mean giving commit access to all branches 07:43:11 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:19 by, ooh does it? Im not asking for that 07:46:29 8 times in a row ... 07:46:31 qq 07:53:04 ooh wow .. 07:53:33 when the game starts and loads des file, the lua random number generator is always in the same state? 07:54:00 I wrapped my lua in a if crawl.game_started and now the function works 07:54:30 either that or I had 8 in a row entirely by chance .. like a 1 in 2^12 chance of that 07:56:41 nvm.. now it didnt place it all all 07:58:37 yeah .. crawl.random2(3) + 2 is always equal to 2 on game start 07:59:20 See if you can find where crawl restores the seed maybe? 08:09:04 crawl is taking ages to validate the maps here, and every time I interrupt it in gdb it seems to be in find_deepest_explored 08:09:40 its probably a change in the past few days 08:09:51 my build is from rebase like 3 days ago and its fast 08:28:40 results of the uniques tourney round 1: http://nethack.eu/dcss.uniques.tourney.round.1.html 08:33:13 awesome 08:36:22 blackpenguin can i post that link at SA 08:37:39 sure 08:38:19 mara beat cerebov 3-1 :P 08:38:22 lucky 08:39:17 err 2-1 08:41:41 @??the enchantress 08:41:50 the Enchantress (13i) | Speed: 16 | HD: 15 | Health: 35-54 | AC/EV: 1/40 | Damage: 26 | Flags: spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1951 | Sp: paralyse, sleep, haste, banishment, invisibility, teleport self. 08:42:59 how did the enchantress beat trj? :o 08:43:15 Probably banished it 08:43:15 lucky banish? :P 08:43:23 She can get a distortion weapon, I think 08:43:24 ahh 08:43:36 I doubt if the spell has a chance of beating the jelly's MR 08:43:38 @??the royal jelly 08:43:39 the royal jelly (08J) | Speed: 16 | HD: 21 | Health: 230 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Damage: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | Flags: sense invisible | Res: 06magic(196), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx | XP: 15000. 08:44:06 i'm proud of the iron giant :P 08:44:27 I'm proud of its speech :D 08:44:36 by: Perhaps find_deepest_explored could return a dummy value if it's called during startup 08:44:52 What exactly is it doing that's burning CPU though 08:45:12 Sounds weird for it to be killing CPU unless it's trying to update the travel cache each time or something 08:45:33 iron giant has speech? :p 08:45:40 Is the iron giant generatable in regular Crawl yet? 08:45:50 He could paradrop in when you're fighting Dispater :P 08:46:47 greensnark: it really just does lookups in empty maps, so maybe it's not really what's using time 08:47:26 First time map recompiling is pretty slow in general. Is it much worse now? 08:47:44 s/recompiling/compiling/ 08:49:15 I haven't compared -- it seemed slow, and I was surprised it was always in that function when I interrupted it 08:50:13 I haven't looked at it recently. 08:50:22 Mu_: Well. 08:50:41 ;) 08:50:45 I had seech written for it. 08:50:48 I didn't implement though. 08:50:51 o :p 08:50:59 Well, speech in mind. 08:51:06 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:51:08 frederick beat him twice haha 08:51:26 aww 08:51:30 due: gimme a sample :P 08:51:38 03by * r379767d64d39 10/crawl-ref/source/viewgeom.h: Remove some unused coordinate tranformations. 08:51:41 03by * r2047b7fc265a 10/crawl-ref/source/ (tilereg-dgn.cc tilereg-mon.cc tileview.cc view.cc): Simplify some coordinate transformations. 08:51:47 03by * r142eb95b1ccd 10/crawl-ref/source/viewgeom.h: Make coordinate transformations members of crawl_view. 08:51:50 03by * r9b95ec0288a8 10/crawl-ref/source/ (viewgeom.cc viewgeom.h): Use the crawl_view coordinate transformations in some places. 08:51:50 03by * rd8051c6f31ef 10/crawl-ref/source/ (directn.cc directn.h): Get rid of in_los, in_vlos. 08:51:54 I misread that as tailgate. 08:51:58 03by * rd556f6b31283 10/crawl-ref/source/stash.cc: Make update_visible_stashes use radius_iterator. 08:51:58 03by * rf07c2355e978 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): View coordinates now relative to viewport, not screen. 08:52:53 sonja beat saint roka once 08:53:11 sonja beat dissolution once :P 08:53:15 i guess that's a banish 08:53:31 haha she beat the enchantress and xtahua too 08:55:55 by: I just built Crawl and I see the same death-by-find_deepest_explored 08:56:23 it's because of Geh vs Gehenna in doy's new serpent stuff I think 08:56:41 the lid in find_deepest_explored isn't the right one 08:57:26 Yeah, if the current branch is a bad value it'll be running a tight loop on some garbage depth 08:58:02 Yeah: (gdb) print curr.branch 08:58:03 $1 = NUM_BRANCHES 08:58:22 so it iterates over every branch for each call? 08:58:30 It does for (int i = branches[curr.branch].depth; i > 0; --i) 08:58:40 ouch 08:58:40 Where branches[curr.branch] is past the end of the array 08:58:47 So depth is huge and it's spinning in that loop 08:58:48 Yeah. 09:04:13 would asserting for a valid branch miss any sensible uses? 09:04:49 I don't think so 09:04:52 I'll fix it in a moment 09:05:08 oh, great 09:13:09 03greensnark * r79223f573b93 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/branches/hells.des l_travel.cc travel.cc): Fix travel.find_deepest_explored pegging CPU if used with a bad branch name (by). 09:14:15 can anyone help me write a good function to randomly select one of a set of maps to place on one of three levels (so 1 map from the set in one level of the set)? http://nopaste.dk/p2386 09:14:26 I had simpler code but it was always placing it on level 2 09:15:10 Buki the Thaumaturge (L12 DEFE) ASSERT(load_mode != LOAD_VISITOR) in 'files.cc' at line 1470 failed on turn 20347. (D:6) 09:16:11 http://nopaste.dk/p2387 09:16:13 so.. what do I do with all those many orcs now? 09:16:29 i'd like to select a few to take with me, but that's not easily possible.. is it? 09:16:43 <- hill orc priest of beogh 09:17:02 dance around on staircases and mess with recall and cry about bad interface until you manage to get a little group to follow you :P 09:17:12 blue_anna: If you want 2-4 as a range, use crawl.random_range(2,4) 09:17:45 And if you want to control placement of the map, you must put your placement code in the map prelude 09:19:04 prelude? 09:19:07 ooooh 09:19:18 yea I bet thats it 09:19:20 The prelude code is run each time Crawl starts up 09:19:37 If you don't use the prelude, the map's PLACE will get baked into it the first time the .des is compiled and will never change thereafter 09:19:49 I wouldn't mind a god ability like "Offer living allied orc to Beogh" 09:20:13 Napkin: The whole reason Beogh has worshippers is so those allied orcs stop bothering Beogh :D 09:20:19 there was a huge FR about how to improve his ally management, and it's moved to the wiki now 09:20:36 although people seem to keep getting sidetracked by talking about item management which i don't think is as much of a problem 09:20:51 We need a Starcraft like interface 09:20:59 I should be able to group my orcs using command shortcuts 09:21:05 And queue up commands! 09:21:49 orcs? more like warcraft then 09:22:41 mmm hotkeys 09:22:42 True 09:22:58 FR: Beogh worshippers should also autoconvert trolls 09:23:01 and a minimum of 100 apm to play beogh 09:23:06 greensnark, the top block of lua is the prelude right? 09:23:26 blue_anna: The top block is the global prelude. Each map can also have a prelude of its own 09:23:27 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:34