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01:28:26 <Ashenzari> Creating fog causes game to crash (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2154) by fineX
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01:42:40 <doy> lots of crash bugs it seems
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03:42:10 <by> Unstable branch on CDO updated to: 0.8.0-a0-562-g5fdb996 (29.1)
03:42:11 <by> Unstable branch on CDO updated to: 0.8.0-a0-562-g5fdb996 (29.1)
03:42:14 <by> oops
03:43:26 <due> On your unstable, updating it?
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04:09:09 <Napkin> Hmm - should the nightstalker mutation cause the travel exception to have less range too?
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07:50:50 <syllogism> greensnark: should filter out more early deaths, say everything until 500-1000 turns
07:50:59 <kilobyte> +1
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08:01:28 <greensnark> Ok, <500 turn games suppressed
08:02:48 <due> Hi greensnark.
08:04:21 <greensnark> Hello
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08:17:29 <due> !time
08:17:29 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 01:17:29 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 10 hours, 42 minutes and 30 seconds.
08:17:31 <due> Tourney soon!
08:21:27 <greensnark> due: Want to do a reminder post? :)
08:36:29 <greensnark> st_: You going to play in the tourney? :P
08:36:43 <st_> of course
08:36:51 <due> greensnark: Sure.
08:37:09 <greensnark> st_: Ok, I was worried we were losing you to Un :P
08:37:36 <greensnark> due: <3
08:37:48 <greensnark> I've posted on rgrmisc, not that that'll do any good
08:37:58 <greensnark> A reminder on CDO ought to be the ticket
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08:38:25 <greensnark> Every time someone announces a tourney on rgrmisc everyone there runs and hides under their beds :P
08:38:30 <greensnark> I haven't figured out why :P
08:38:32 <due> LOL.
08:38:37 <due> Tourneys are fun! Nothing to be afraid of!
08:38:55 <due> !time
08:38:56 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 01:38:56 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 10 hours, 21 minutes and 3 seconds.
08:39:12 <kilobyte> see, that's what parents say to their kids about the dentist
08:39:29 <greensnark> That's not what my parents said to me about the dentist
08:39:34 <pointless_> we need to implement a play-by-usenet interface
08:39:41 <pointless_> then we will attract rgrm posters
08:39:53 <greensnark> What they said to me was: "If you don't shut up and come along quietly, you won't have to be afraid of the dentist, you'll have to be afraid of us"
08:40:02 <greensnark> It worked pretty well, actually
08:40:07 <kilobyte> greensnark: heh
08:40:47 <due> greensnark: Done
08:41:02 <kilobyte> in my case, mom was the best school buddy of the dentist, so anything typical she could have said was drowned out by the woman-to-woman chatter :p
08:41:11 <greensnark> due: Great, thanks!
08:41:28 <kilobyte> what about a big fat warning on 0.6 and trunk that the games don't count?
08:41:41 <kilobyte> because few CDO users tend to play stable
08:41:59 <due> Good idea.
08:44:59 <greensnark> Heh, rgrn is really going to the dogs
08:45:19 <greensnark> Someone asks how to compile nethack on windows. They're told to install Linux and cross-compile for Windows.
08:45:54 <greensnark> Then person C comes along and says he's never heard of people cross-compiling for Windows and in his opinion it's either impossible or very difficult :P
08:46:08 <greensnark> What a crew :P
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08:48:31 <greensnark> It's ixtli_ in silver spandex!
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08:48:43 <greensnark> I scared him off :P
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08:51:04 <due> You scared me off, too.
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08:59:44 <greensnark> due: Someone drowned in your chaos_kobolds vault :P
09:00:02 <greensnark> Admittedly just a case of nearest-convenient-water, not a real vault kill :P
09:00:55 <due> awesome
09:01:44 <greensnark> !lg * 0.7 lvl>1 map!= s=map
09:01:45 <Sequell> 404 games for * (0.7 lvl>1 map!=): 55x uniq crazy yiuf cottage, 20x minmay sewer w, 13x lemuel castle, 11x bailey polearm 2, 10x minmay sewer treatment, 10x sewer kobolds, 9x bailey polearm 5, 9x minmay bailey axe hex keep, 7x sewer frog island 02, 6x sewer frog island 01, 5x hiddenorc2 lemuel, 5x ossuary tomb 1, 5x tgw sif, 4x minivault 26, 4x bailey polearm 1, 4x ice spiral 2, 4x minivault 22, 4...
09:02:34 <greensnark> !lg * 0.7 map=~hiddenorc2 -tv
09:02:35 <Sequell> 5. Daemmerung, XL7 DSCK, T:4602 requested for FooTV.
09:03:03 <greensnark> minmay sewer w seems pretty deadly
09:03:12 <greensnark> !lg * 0.7 map=minmay_sewer_w -tv
09:03:13 <Sequell> 20. think, XL6 MDFi, T:3891 requested for FooTV.
09:04:51 <due> !lg * map=~due
09:04:51 <Sequell> 14. Kyrris the Politician (L27 SpSu), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, drowned on Vault:2 (due chaos kobolds) on 2010-07-31, with 599677 points after 154953 turns and 15:32:22.
09:04:58 <due> Win win.
09:05:00 <due> !lg * map=~due s=map
09:05:00 <Sequell> 14 games for * (map=~due): 7x ossuary due small catacomb, 2x ossuary due cavern, 2x due unseen surprise, 1x due lair maze entry diamond, 1x due chaos kobolds, 1x ossuary due mausoleum
09:05:16 <syllogism> !lg * map=~lemuel s=map
09:05:17 <Sequell> 905 games for * (map=~lemuel): 88x lemuel entry cross, 82x lemuel entry lava pool, 77x lemuel entry muddy, 72x lemuel entry hallway, 69x lemuel entry room, 65x lemuel entry tunnels, 63x lemuel entry rhombus, 58x lemuel entry funnel, 45x lemuel entry behind the door small, 42x lemuel entry behind the door large, 36x lemuel entry river ford, 29x lemuel entry broad hall no closet, 24x lemuel entry br...
09:05:40 <due> !lg * map=due unseen surprise
09:05:40 <Sequell> 2. minion21g the Digger (L1 HOEE), slain by a hobgoblin on D:1 (due unseen surprise) on 2010-07-29, with 24 points after 661 turns and 0:02:08.
09:05:45 <due> LOL
09:05:46 <due> !lg * map=due unseen surprise -2
09:05:47 <Sequell> 1. noom the Covered (L2 DEFi), blasted by Jessica (nerve-wracking pain) on D:2 (due unseen surprise) on 2010-07-05, with 167 points after 1761 turns and 0:04:49.
09:05:52 <due> That's not fair.
09:06:16 * due sleeps.
09:08:37 <greensnark> !lg * map=~lemuel lvl>1 s=map
09:08:39 <Sequell> 73 games for * (map=~lemuel lvl>1): 23x lemuel castle, 8x dragon1 lemuel, 8x hiddenorc2 lemuel, 4x Giant Chief Lemuel, 3x lemuel elevator, 3x lemuel flame loot 1, 3x ice1 lemuel, 2x lemuel temple firewalk marked, 2x lemuel statue altar, 2x traditional vault lemuel, 2x lemuel angel altar, 2x lemuel zombie altar, 1x slime lemuel, 1x lemuel round altar, 1x lemuel another geyser, 1x lemuel tele altar,...
09:10:52 <by> those "Save macros?" prompts just after player death are kind of out-of-place
09:11:21 <greensnark> Yes
09:15:59 <greensnark> "< Henzell> splat the Bringer of Life (L10 DDHe) killed Nessos on turn 1911."
09:16:03 <greensnark> Not much of a bringer of life
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10:27:29 <by> syllogism: do you see a good way to fix the free slime rune?
10:27:39 <by> no altars except on slime:6?
10:29:18 <syllogism> might as well remove jiyva then
10:30:27 <syllogism> either you shouldn't get the rune at all with jiyva or slime:6 jellies don't join until you kill the jelly
10:30:32 <syllogism> but that would be weird
10:32:50 <Eronarn> make jiyva altars outside slime decay so you either have to take jiyva ASAP and live with the consequences (jiyva's penalties are pretty steep) or only convert in slime 6
10:32:59 <Eronarn> after killing the jelly
10:33:20 <by> that doesn't fix the free rune if you do find an altar
10:33:38 <by> could make the rune lose its zot-opening power
10:33:42 <Eronarn> there is nothing wrong with a free rune given jiyva's difficulty last time i played
10:33:43 <Keskitalo> Yeah, need to nerf minmay_sewer_w..
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10:34:09 <Eronarn> unless something has dramatically changed, the amount of item loss is huge
10:34:46 <by> the main issue does not involve normal play, it's that you want jiyva for a free fast rune on speed runs
10:35:01 <rwbarton> it makes first tournament win largely a lottery, since getting a jiyva altar will save you ~20 minutes
10:35:19 <Mu_> make jiyva a temple god :p
10:35:42 <Keskitalo> !time
10:35:42 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 03:35:42 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 8 hours, 24 minutes and 17 seconds.
10:35:57 <Eronarn> ...you're seriously suggesting nerfing slime in a way like that just to make speedrunning harder?
10:36:02 <Eronarn> that's dumb
10:36:17 <Eronarn> don't balance for speedrunners
10:36:29 <syllogism> it's a stupid mechanic in general
10:36:55 <syllogism> jiyva is a novelty as it is
10:37:01 <syllogism> !lg * god=jiyva
10:37:02 <Sequell> 253. Arcturus the Chopper (L8 DSFi), worshipper of Jiyva, mangled by an ogre (a +0,+0 giant club) on D:7 (minmay temple entry statues fountains) on 2010-07-30, with 1589 points after 6794 turns and 1:05:27.
10:37:09 <syllogism> !lg * god=jiyva xl>12
10:37:10 <Sequell> 78. splat the Unseen (L13 SpEn), worshipper of Jiyva, mangled by an Orb Guardian on Zot:5 (hall of Zot) on 2010-07-29, with 30552 points after 13179 turns and 0:53:17.
10:37:54 <by> !lg * god=jiyva xl>12 s=name
10:37:55 <Sequell> 78 games for * (god=jiyva xl>12): 6x 78291, 4x hyperbolic, 3x capslocke, 3x Daemmerung, 3x rob, 3x nht, 2x Kalma, 2x LexAckson, 2x Helsbecter, 2x ebarrett, 2x clouded, 2x MarvinPA, 2x Mong, 2x polystyrus, 2x Kyrris, 2x Cryptic, 1x Mumu, 1x qwqw, 1x dpeg, 1x xyblor, 1x dazzle, 1x moq, 1x slickrick, 1x simonj, 1x bh, 1x timpakay, 1x Eronarn, 1x Butch, 1x Cyriela, 1x Weasel, 1x Omniguy, 1x Demos, 1x ...
10:38:33 <Eronarn> !hs god=jiyva
10:38:33 <Sequell> 2. Eronarn the Stickfighter (L26 SETm), worshipper of Jiyva, blasted by a Balrug (divine providence) (summoned by a lich) on Vault:8 on 2009-12-01, with 474684 points after 107987 turns and 12:09:14.
10:46:27 <Ashenzari> butcher corpses in your pack (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2155) by sulai
10:47:27 <syllogism> one easy solution would be to require jiyvaites to have high enough piety
10:48:18 <Eronarn> that would work fine, yeah
10:48:27 <Eronarn> since jiyva piety is so easy if you are playing relatively normally
10:50:21 <by> syllogism: to neutralize the royal jelly? to open up the vaults?
10:51:28 <Ashenzari> easier use of inventory (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2156) by sulai
10:52:36 <syllogism> I don't really have a preference, and another alternative would be to require high piety (*****?) to convert all the high hd jellies
10:53:05 <Eronarn> by: i don't think jiyva should open the vaults if it is't neutralizing the level
10:53:18 <Eronarn> though i don't think the two should necessarily happen at the same amount of piety
10:54:25 <MarvinPA> if the jellies don't get neutralised until a certain amount of piety can you still kill them, though? or you just have to run away?
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10:55:09 <syllogism> I suppose you would have to be allowed to kill them
10:55:28 <MarvinPA> yeah, which might be a little odd
10:55:41 <MarvinPA> i suppose beogh is similarish
10:59:25 <by> lugonu also, in a different way (close to free rune)
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11:35:46 <Mu_> o this reminds me
11:36:11 <Mu_> syllogism do you think i should still remove the jiyva altars from the sprint map
11:36:15 <Mu_> or did all of those bugs get fixed
11:39:34 <by> I don't remember any Jiyva-related bugs getting fixed, though I'm not sure what the relevant bugs are here
11:41:45 <Ashenzari> eliminate Kiku's pain branding (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2157) by Lemuel
11:44:53 <syllogism> there was one involving jellies wanting to eat shop items
11:45:06 <syllogism> greensnark fixed that and that was the main/only source of sprint jiyva crashes
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11:49:34 <Mu_> ok good
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11:51:54 <greensnark> So is the Sprint map done? :)
11:52:18 <greensnark> Can you, uh, generate an additional orb near the upstairs if you.name() == 'greensnark'
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11:53:01 <Mu_> it's had like 2 people testing it :3
11:53:13 <Mu_> i haven't changed it in a while i guess it's done
11:53:28 <Mu_> i'd feel better if some more people tested it
11:55:23 <greensnark> by plays a lot of Sprint :)
11:55:40 <greensnark> But I think he may want to participate in first Sprint win thing
11:56:12 <Mu_> ye i guess a lot of people will
11:56:26 <by> actually I played a game or two, so won't participate there
11:56:32 <by> didn't I give some vague feedback?
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11:58:41 <Mu_> not sure :p
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12:27:11 <Napkin> hey guys!
12:27:28 <Napkin> greensnark: how's 0.7 doing? any upgrade on CDO necessary?
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12:28:13 <Napkin> ah, I see you already upgraded :)
12:40:33 <greensnark> Hi, yes, updated yesterday :)
12:42:21 <greensnark> I think I'm all done with tourney work, just need to sit back and wait for things to start exploding
12:43:40 <greensnark> Mu_: When you're done with the Sprint map, send me the .des file and I'll drop it on the servers for the Aug 15 activation
12:47:58 <Mu_> ok
12:48:13 <Mu_> i might as well send you it now then
12:48:23 <greensnark> If you're done :)
12:48:26 <Mu_> i'll give it one more play through
12:48:40 <Mu_> i doubt i'm gonna get any more feedback and i'm tired of lookin at it
12:48:41 <Mu_> :p
13:07:15 <greensnark> doy: n78291 still hasn't added himself to cabal!
13:07:23 <greensnark> doy: Is he playing for cabal this year? :)
13:11:52 <doy> !tell n78291 playing for the cabal this year?
13:11:52 <Henzell> doy: OK, I'll let n78291 know.
13:17:16 <Ashenzari> Game always crashes on Windows 98 - Missing export SHELL32.DLL:GetFolderPathA. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2158) by Gigalith
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13:19:09 <greensnark> Hey, people use Win 98
13:19:10 <greensnark> Who knew
13:19:46 <doy> "oh well"
13:22:40 <syllogism> "don't use the installer" might work
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13:27:08 <greensnark> Yeah, not using the installer might work
13:27:25 <greensnark> The zip distrib shouldn't use SHGetFolderPath afaik
13:27:44 <Mu_> greensnark, your email is scintilla right
13:27:52 <greensnark> scintilla@gmail.com
13:28:06 <greensnark> All done with the map? :)
13:28:26 <greensnark> Did you add the extra orb I requested :P
13:32:06 <Mu_> :p
13:38:49 <greensnark> Napkin: ~crawl/upload is the right place to drop the file, right?
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13:40:21 <Napkin> yes
13:40:35 <greensnark> Ok, we're all set :)
13:40:36 <Napkin> with the normal filename
13:40:40 <Napkin> excellent :))
13:40:45 <greensnark> sprint_mu.des
13:41:08 <Napkin> let me double-check :)
13:41:20 <greensnark> Map name is dungeon_sprint_mu
13:41:21 <syllogism> i want to play :P
13:41:29 <syllogism> sprint should go live today :P
13:41:49 <Napkin> SPRINT_MAP="/home/services/crawl/upload/sprint_mu.des"
13:42:01 <Napkin> roger :)
13:42:19 <syllogism> i hope it's made available in master as well so I dont have to wait until the tournament is over to play it online
13:42:55 <greensnark> I'm afraid you'll have to wait :)
13:43:04 <syllogism> oh well
13:43:14 <Napkin> what do you mean, syllogism?
13:43:30 <syllogism> napkin: I've played the map so I can't participate
13:43:40 <Napkin> you can play it online during the tourney
13:43:43 <Napkin> ahh, ok
13:44:05 <Napkin> fate of a beta tester - very much appreciated though, I bet :)
13:44:48 <Napkin> but.. is there no way to filter your name from the sprint scores?
13:44:53 <syllogism> not worth the effort
13:45:55 <Napkin> as I know greensnark, it'll not be much effort.. and you could join the fun
13:46:31 <greensnark> I can filter out Sprint games by 'syllogism' if you want to play, yeah
13:46:34 <greensnark> It's a one-line change
13:51:50 <greensnark> Ok, syllogism is filtered from Sprint scoring for tourney
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13:59:21 <greensnark> This is incredible
13:59:23 <greensnark> !lg * 0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals s=br
13:59:23 <Sequell> 46 games for * (0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals): 23x Shoals, 16x Swamp, 7x Snake
13:59:31 <greensnark> Swamp + Snake have caught up with Shoals :(
13:59:39 <greensnark> People are dying like flies in the Swamp :P
13:59:42 <greensnark> How do they manage it
13:59:55 <pointless_> !lg * killer=~lernae
13:59:56 <Sequell> 9. Zaba the Conjurer (L15 SpCj), worshipper of Vehumet, slain by the 27-headed Lernaean hydra on Swamp:5 (swamp old school) on 2010-07-26, with 72977 points after 40421 turns and 1:42:25.
14:00:01 <Mu_> hydra are nasty
14:00:06 <greensnark> !lg * 0.7 swamp s=ckiller
14:00:07 <Sequell> 16 games for * (0.7 swamp): 3x a hydra, 2x Saint Roka, 2x an alligator, 1x Roxanne, 1x a phantom, 1x Agnes, 1x Aizul, 1x the 27-headed Lernaean hydra, 1x Margery, 1x Nikola, 1x Boris, 1x cloud
14:00:14 <pointless_> There's that lernaeaen hydra, it has like 2-3 times as many heads as a 7 headed hydra
14:00:18 <Mu_> 1x cloud
14:00:27 <greensnark> That's the miasma death that just went by :P
14:00:35 <greensnark> Lemuel will be pleased with that
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14:00:55 <greensnark> The Zaba Lernaean hydra splat was brilliant
14:01:23 <pointless_> !lg * killer=~lernae -tv
14:01:23 <Sequell> 9. Zaba, XL15 SpCj, T:40421 requested for FooTV.
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14:02:30 <Mu_> haha
14:02:33 <pointless_> amazing
14:02:36 <Mu_> poor zab
14:02:40 <pointless_> !lg . killer=~lernae -tv
14:02:40 <Sequell> No games for pointless_ (killer=~lernae).
14:02:47 <pointless_> !lg . killer=~lernae sprint -tv
14:02:48 <Sequell> 1. pointless, XL11 SpEn, T:4595 requested for FooTV.
14:03:47 <greensnark> Aha, you went in for the stab :)
14:03:58 <pointless_> I did stab it, but it didn't take
14:04:32 <greensnark> !lg * 0.6 place=snake|swamp|shoals s=br
14:04:34 <Sequell> 563 games for * (0.6 place=snake|swamp|shoals): 218x Snake, 176x Shoals, 169x Swamp
14:04:40 <greensnark> !lg * 0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals s=br
14:04:40 <Sequell> 46 games for * (0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals): 23x Shoals, 16x Swamp, 7x Snake
14:04:51 <greensnark> Snake has some catching up to do
14:05:01 <greensnark> !lg * 0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals killer!=uniq s=br
14:05:02 <Sequell> 34 games for * (0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals killer!=uniq): 20x Shoals, 8x Swamp, 6x Snake
14:05:08 <greensnark> !lg * 0.6 place=snake|swamp|shoals killer!=uniq s=br
14:05:09 <Sequell> 442 games for * (0.6 place=snake|swamp|shoals killer!=uniq): 158x Snake, 150x Shoals, 134x Swamp
14:15:01 <greensnark> Napkin: Can you set ##crawl topic to add "Please !tell greensnark of any tourney scoring bugs"?
14:16:27 <Napkin> sure, 1s
14:16:40 <greensnark> Can drop the "Please" to save space :)
14:18:16 <greensnark> Napkin: Thanks!
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14:18:52 <Napkin> nah, I like the "please" :)
14:19:21 <greensnark> "!tell greensnark or suffer the consequences"
14:20:04 <Napkin> haha :)
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14:23:41 <syllogism> !lg * 0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals char!=spen s=br
14:23:42 <Sequell> 39 games for * (0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals char!=spen): 19x Shoals, 13x Swamp, 7x Snake
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14:25:11 <doy> !time
14:25:11 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 07:25:11 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 4 hours, 34 minutes and 48 seconds.
14:27:41 <Ashenzari> god wrath could be permanent (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2159) by Lemuel
14:28:13 <greensnark> I have a hypothesis: by and Lemuel are twins, separated at birth!
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16:06:09 <Keskitalo> !time
16:06:09 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 09:06:09 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 2 hours, 53 minutes and 50 seconds.
16:06:28 <Keskitalo> Last band started here.. :>
16:06:49 <kilobyte> so the first wins go to Americans
16:07:26 <kilobyte> due's still in bed, so Australians won't make it
16:09:01 <greensnark> due will probably be awake before the start
16:09:49 <greensnark> kilobyte: Someone wanted a Linux arm build of 0.7 :)
16:10:01 <greensnark> They checked your deb repo and saw only 0.6.1
16:10:45 <kilobyte> greensnark: normal Debian arm, or maemo?
16:11:23 <greensnark> kilobyte: Normal Deb arm, I think they were running Debian on open pandora
16:11:29 <kilobyte> I can build both, of course, but for the former, I really should see if Guus Sliepen is still alive
16:11:59 <kilobyte> he didn't upload either 0.7.0 or 0.7.1, nor even sent a mail
16:12:54 <greensnark> Did you contact him?
16:13:29 <kilobyte> not after sending him 0.7.1
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16:23:20 <Ashenzari> Using blink scrolls crashes the game. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2160) by Seriyu
16:29:38 <greensnark> Do these people not bother mentioning their game version, OS and tiles/ascii, or am I just not seeing it in Mantis
16:30:01 <Mu_> do hellephants spawn naturally anywhere
16:30:09 <Mu_> or are they confined to vaults for the time being
16:30:29 <syllogism> clicking update issue shows more info
16:30:41 <greensnark> Mu_: Well, *someone* put them in the Abyss :P
16:30:41 <syllogism> though this seems like a strange way to do accomplish that
16:31:03 <greensnark> syllogism: Ah, thanks
16:31:14 <syllogism> should show those fields by default
16:31:18 <greensnark> Yeah, it would be great to see at least the game version in the main view
16:31:27 <pointless_> There is probably a toggle for "advanced view" or something
16:31:33 <greensnark> The branch info is there
16:31:42 <syllogism> oh yes there is
16:31:44 <syllogism> "view advanced" top right
16:31:52 <greensnark> Aha, yes, view advanced does it
16:31:55 <greensnark> Thanks
16:32:11 <greensnark> Can we make view advanced the default view :P
16:32:15 <pointless_> I have "view simple" in the top right so it probably stays toggled
16:32:17 <Mu_> oh ok abyss
16:32:21 <greensnark> Excellent
16:32:44 <greensnark> !killsby hellephant
16:32:44 <Sequell> No games for * (ckiller=hellephant)
16:32:46 <greensnark> :(
16:32:50 <greensnark> Someone should fix that
16:33:03 <pointless_> !killsby hellephant sprint
16:33:03 <Sequell> No games for * (ckiller=hellephant sprint)
16:33:09 <syllogism> we need hellhellephant that breathe hellfire
16:33:19 <pointless_> hell^2ephant
16:33:22 <greensnark> I think there are Sprint hellephant kills, but that doesn't really count
16:33:27 <greensnark> !lg * sprint killer=hellephant
16:33:28 <Sequell> 13. valrus the Impaler (L10 MfCr), worshipper of Fedhas, blasted by a hellephant (blast of flame) in Sprint (Sprint II: "The Violet Keep of Menkaure") on 2010-07-31, with 5012 points after 3169 turns and 0:53:56.
16:33:41 <pointless_> oh !killsby didn't recognize sprint
16:33:45 <pointless_> I see
16:33:47 <syllogism> how come there aren't any hellephants in hell? :P
16:34:27 <greensnark> syllogism: due didn't put them there :(
16:34:55 <pointless_> probably an animal cruelty issue
16:35:01 <pointless_> hellephants are too god for hell
16:35:18 <Mu_> replace geryon's call beast spell with call hellephant
16:35:30 <kilobyte> I added them as random spawns in the Abyss, that can help
16:35:36 <pointless_> "The silver trunk of geryon"
16:35:41 <greensnark> Haha
16:35:45 <kilobyte> pointless_: <3
16:36:00 <Mu_> haha
16:42:22 <kilobyte> what the hell, win98 can't even unpack zips by itself
16:42:53 <kilobyte> and VirtualBox's emulation is faithful: two crashes so far, without even getting Crawl copied to a local disk
16:43:17 <kilobyte> just like win98 on real hardware as my memory tells
16:44:53 <kilobyte> something tells me that if we drop win98 support altogether for 0.8, everyone but that single user will breathe with relief
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16:53:37 <kilobyte> I'm giving up, I apparently have no means to run win98 good enough to check if Crawl packages work there
16:53:42 <doy> we support win98 now?
16:54:02 <doy> or is that like how we "supported" dos earlier
16:54:44 <kilobyte> the whole win32 console code acts in win98 mode, using broken 8 bit "code pages"
16:55:04 <syllogism> !time
16:55:04 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 09:55:04 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 2 hours, 4 minutes and 55 seconds.
16:55:34 <kilobyte> I tried hacking Unicode support onto it, but decided it will be saner to just rip a good part of it away and rewrite
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16:56:12 <doy> ah
16:56:16 <doy> yeah, i'd say ditch it
16:57:00 <kilobyte> and, while in theory we could add shims like unicows (a compatibility layer that translates FooW calls to FooA), it looks like a closed matter now
17:00:14 <kilobyte> same for the current CHARSET_IBM thing on Unix.  It works around the system locale code, forcing ncurses to produce output that's invalid according to the locale.
17:00:39 <kilobyte> it's mostly the same code as support for win98 console, too
17:02:23 <kilobyte> my idea is to use ncurses-w only, doing a setlocale(LC_CTYPE, "en_US.CP437") -- or perhaps even iconving it in DGL
17:03:38 <kilobyte> no other setup needs to even consider charsets other than the locale's -- not WinNT+, not Linux, not BSD, not Mac.  Just Win98 and DGL.
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17:04:33 <kilobyte> and that may be moot if we make sure every terminal emulator that runs today can understand \e%G
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17:19:38 <rwbarton> hey, is it too late to suggest a minor change in the scoring rules?
17:19:48 <Siber> probably
17:20:03 <syllogism> haha
17:20:41 <rwbarton> I was going to suggest that you only get the points for the kiku banner once per race
17:22:41 <greensnark> Sounds reasonable for next year :)
17:22:44 <ais523> is it even possible to get the points for playing with a non-starting god?
17:22:55 <rwbarton> ok
17:22:59 <ais523> given that "no god" counts as a god, if you pick up, say, fedhas at the temple, that counts as two gods
17:23:17 <rwbarton> It's not that big a deal since by repeating a race you're potentially losing out on other ways to score points
17:23:40 <greensnark> ais523: The per-god-win rule just says you can't renounce a god; you can play atheist and pick up a god on the way up if you like
17:23:42 <syllogism> plus it's not all that easy
17:24:04 <ais523> ah, ok, I was just reading the rule from a programmer's point of view
17:24:14 <rwbarton> I don't think it is 3 times as hard as winning a generic game
17:24:34 <syllogism> it likely takes longer
17:24:40 <ais523> also, does abandoning the Orb in a Pan level count as destroying it?
17:24:49 <greensnark> ais523: No
17:25:02 <ais523> hmm
17:25:10 <greensnark> I shall specify dropping it in lava on the page
17:25:17 <rwbarton> you probably can't get to a pan level anyways, but you can get other places where the same thing could happen
17:26:35 <kilobyte> like, the Abyss
17:27:47 <greensnark> Losinmg
17:28:49 <greensnark> Sorry
17:28:55 <greensnark> Losing the orb in the abyss doesn't count either
17:29:05 <greensnark> Bloody flaky DSL
17:30:57 <greensnark> Looks like 78291 is in cabal now
17:33:12 <doy> !seen cbus
17:33:12 <Henzell> I last saw cbus at Thu Jul 29 12:33:40 2010 UTC (2d 9h 59m 32s ago) joining the channel.
17:33:29 <doy> !lg cbus
17:33:30 <Sequell> 1251. cbus the Grasshopper (L1 SpAM), quit the game on D:1 on 2009-11-18, with 50 points after 0 turns and 0:00:06.
17:34:48 <greensnark> You need a cbus replacement :)
17:35:09 <greensnark> I wonder if stabwound will be in the first win run
17:38:45 <Ashenzari> Clouds are the wrong colours (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2161) by MarvintheParanoidAndroid
17:43:40 <greensnark> We should implement prune form sometime
17:44:49 <ais523> at least have the glaive of prune give mutations that do nothing
17:45:53 <ais523> "Your skin is slightly purple."
17:46:13 <ais523> would be a slight nerf, I suppose, because it would make potions of cure mutation less useful
17:52:46 <due> morning
17:52:48 <due> !time
17:52:48 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 10:52:48 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 1 hour, 7 minutes and 11 seconds.
17:55:47 <greensnark> Morning due on the grass
17:58:00 <Mu_> duey
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18:23:24 <Napkin> !time
18:23:24 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 11:23:24 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 36 minutes and 35 seconds.
18:23:34 <Napkin> niiiice :D
18:23:46 <Napkin> btw, acid walls in slime are really, really mean!
18:25:26 <ais523> hmm, what happened to slimy rune statistics when the walls were introduced?
18:25:40 <casmith789> greensnark: going to do first win? :)
18:27:04 <greensnark> I'm going to watch the first win :P
18:27:22 <casmith789> :D same thing
18:28:23 <greensnark> Is elliptic not going to be playing for the first win?
18:28:39 <casmith789> no :(
18:28:46 <greensnark> Aw :/
18:29:01 <Ashenzari> Remove the Cj[fire] book (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2162) by xyblor
18:29:26 <st_> how come he was practising
18:29:38 <st_> I think he's been sneaky about it :P
18:32:29 <rwbarton> he was planning to destroy the orb one game but accidentally beat the real-time record instead
18:32:48 <rwbarton> so maybe he wasn't practising
18:32:51 <casmith789> elliptic destroyed the orb
18:32:56 <rwbarton> yeah, in the next game
18:33:02 <Mu_> how many ways are there to destroy the orb
18:33:06 <syllogism> 1
18:33:08 <casmith789> 1
18:33:13 <Mu_> just lava?
18:33:17 <ais523> many, but only 1 counts
18:33:27 <casmith789> the others just lose the orb forever
18:33:35 <ais523> it gets deleted from the game's memory
18:33:40 <ais523> that's destroying...
18:33:58 <syllogism> it's not
18:35:04 <Mu_> if you fall into lava and die while carrying it in your inventory, does it count? :p
18:35:11 <syllogism> no
18:35:17 <casmith789> lol Mu_
18:35:21 <ais523> that /should/ count
18:35:27 <ais523> given that you can't win anyway
18:35:37 <greensnark> Sorry, no cookie for inadvertent lava accidents of a hilarious nature
18:35:43 <Mu_> :)
18:36:00 <ais523> what about falling into lava while under the effects of Death's Door?
18:36:12 <ais523> <Crawl> why would you want to do that?
18:36:13 <syllogism> you die
18:36:16 <MarvinPA> hm, what actually happens if you do that?
18:36:17 <MarvinPA> aw
18:37:26 <kilobyte> in 0.6 and earlier, the Tomb card destroyed items
18:37:52 <ais523> what about apporting a huge stack of items, containing the orb?
18:37:55 <ais523> apportation can destroy items
18:38:00 <ais523> if they're in a large enough stack
18:38:04 <kilobyte> but that's no more, since it was moved to Khufu's code which doesn't
18:38:15 <MarvinPA> you'd need a stack of orbs
18:38:29 <ais523> oh, the destruction works like that? boring
18:38:32 <MarvinPA> since it only apports one type of item at a time i think
18:38:34 <ais523> why is that limitation there anyway?
18:38:44 <kilobyte> yeah, it can reduce quantity, but not destroy stacks altogether
18:38:46 <MarvinPA> to annoy large rock users presumably
18:38:50 <MarvinPA> and nobody else
18:38:51 <MarvinPA> :P
18:39:22 <doy> !time
18:39:22 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 11:39:22 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 20 minutes and 37 seconds.
18:39:25 <kilobyte> actually, I'm 99% sure it was done to make the code simpler/easier to write
18:40:13 <kilobyte> since splitting stacks would require some coding effort
18:42:42 <doy> splitting stacks could also potentially exceed the item limit for the level
18:43:03 <kilobyte> yeah
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18:44:14 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 11:44:15 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 15 minutes and 44 seconds.
18:45:43 <syllogism> once all classes which could be characterised as challenge classes get axed, can we renerf wanderers
18:45:49 <syllogism> or add some actual challenge classes
18:45:56 * greensnark votes for Wn nerf.
18:46:07 <casmith789> stop nerfing stuff and play the tourney :p
18:46:17 <stabwound> exactly what got "unnerfed" with them? consistent stats?
18:46:26 <greensnark> casmith789: It hasn't started yet, you know :P
18:46:37 <casmith789> just win a game in practice
18:46:38 <MarvinPA> 15 minutes of hardcore nerfing to go
18:46:48 <casmith789> stabwound: hey! going for first win?
18:46:55 <greensnark> <14 minutes actually
18:46:59 <stabwound> nope
18:47:00 <MarvinPA> heh
18:47:18 <syllogism> stabwound: better stats, skills and more appropriate items
18:47:42 <greensnark> !time
18:47:42 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 11:47:42 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 12 minutes and 17 seconds.
18:48:07 <Moriasc> I, the Crimson Mollusc, expect to sneak in and nab the first win for this tournament.
18:48:10 <stabwound> wn was/is cool, but I think it could stand to be at least a little bit less crappy than how it used to be
18:48:18 <stabwound> leave it all random but at least let it have some kind of weapon skill
18:48:27 <stabwound> even if it's random
18:49:35 <pointless_> what are all the effects of 0 int?
18:50:08 <stabwound> someone just got creamed by a pan lord on the way up
18:50:19 <stabwound> !lg Jaeger
18:50:20 <Sequell> 1277. Jaeger the Skullcrusher (L27 OgBe), worshipper of Trog, blasted by Oxtibbun (freezing blast) on D:22 on 2010-07-31, with 558995 points after 101838 turns and 6:02:36.
18:50:52 <casmith789> greensnark: this is all set up perfectly? you don't need to do anything to start it off, right?
18:51:35 <greensnark> All setup perfectly? Hahaha
18:51:44 <greensnark> The scripts usually fall over each year :P
18:51:46 <casmith789> I'll take that as a no
18:51:50 <Mu_> he has to pull the giant lever on the server from the Normal position to the Tournament position
18:52:02 <greensnark> But any bugs are easily fixable; all the data is in the logfiles and milestones
18:52:27 <casmith789> yay giant lever
18:52:32 <Mu_> i think you can start your game exactly 1 second after midnight if that's what you mean?? :p
18:52:34 <greensnark> No levers to pull, just don't start your game too early
18:52:39 <Mu_> o maybe not :p
18:52:50 <greensnark> Wait till Henzell gives the all clear
18:52:51 <greensnark> !time
18:52:51 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 11:52:51 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 7 minutes and 8 seconds.
18:53:40 <syllogism> another win98 bug :P
18:54:06 <kilobyte> yay, and I'm unable to run win98 somehow
18:54:09 <Ashenzari> sqlite3.c assertions fail moments after startup on Windows 98. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2163) by Gigalith
18:54:22 <kilobyte> and no one even bothers to debug those
18:54:33 <greensnark> ASSERT(is_nonfubar_os) presumably
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18:55:15 <greensnark> Wait, that's the same guy, right?
18:55:24 <syllogism> yes
18:55:30 <syllogism> he switched to the zip
18:55:34 <syllogism> and it still won't run
18:55:41 <greensnark> Oh
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18:59:11 <doy> !time
18:59:11 <Henzell> Time: Jul 31, 2010, 11:59:11 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 48 seconds.
19:00:01 <syllogism> !time
19:00:07 <syllogism> :(
19:00:11 <Henzell> Time: Aug 01, 2010, 12:00:01 AM, UTC. The 2010 tournament ends in 30 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 58 seconds.
19:00:27 <doy> haha
19:00:31 <doy> from 18 to 34 active games
19:00:36 <doy> in the past minute
19:00:51 <due> !players
19:00:54 <Henzell> 37 players: jrs83b, eith, Neecous, Nexos, Daemmerung, maniac, heteroy, Akshobhya, Jaetan, think, Gigalith, KMandla, Jester, 78291, b0lt, beuhler, BlueAnna, Blyxx, casmith789, DickNixon, doy, evilmike, Grimm, henryci, Johan, jokeserver, Jubu, Konstantin, nht, nmf, NyaaKitty, pointless, Pseudonut, Pyrusette, reid, ToastyP, undermind
19:00:55 <greensnark> CAO is going to have fun
19:01:05 <syllogism> zipcode went with sp of lugonu
19:01:06 <due> it's a bit slow already
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19:01:09 <doy> and... the lag starts
19:01:09 <doy> (:
19:01:23 <doy> up to 49 games
19:01:23 <due> Laaaaaaggy.
19:01:41 <st_> @players
19:01:42 <Gretell> Eifeltrampel (L27 @ Slime:6, T:108366), Napkin (L17 @ Swamp:4, T:59457), Surr (L15 @ Elf:5, T:35360), faerogue (L11 @ Lair:1, T:23122), MarvinPA (L1 @ D:1, T:667)
19:01:45 <greensnark> First winners have to be able to cope with monster lag :)
19:01:53 <st_> cdo should be much nicer
19:01:57 <due> I play on CDO regularly
19:01:57 <greensnark> Yes
19:01:58 <due> so
19:02:08 <greensnark> Please play on CDO if possible, reduces CAO load
19:02:08 <syllogism> cdo has been laggier than it used to be
19:02:10 <due> it's just like being at home
19:02:13 * st_ cdo4lyfe
19:02:39 <kilobyte> note: all current CDO games are on trunk
19:02:56 <syllogism> they aren't new games though
19:03:15 <Napkin> yeah, need to finish game first
19:03:15 <greensnark> I think MarvinPA is the only person playin on CDO
19:03:20 <greensnark> For tourney
19:03:37 <MarvinPA> surely i'm not the only european awake
19:03:38 <MarvinPA> D:
19:03:40 * st_ is about to start playing
19:03:53 <greensnark> I think CAO crossed 70 games last year in the first few minutes
19:04:53 <Napkin> greensnark?
19:05:05 <kilobyte> blah, I've never played stable on CDO, and it doesn't have my config.  And trying to copy one in sucks.
19:05:07 <Napkin> you could forward a port to CDO
19:05:24 <due> yiuf down
19:05:25 <Napkin> tell me and i'll wget it for you, kilobyte
19:05:54 <Napkin> or i could link to your svn/trunk config
19:05:58 <kilobyte> nah, already ^K ed all the lines, and there's just a single line > 80 chars in the default (and my) configs
19:06:02 <due> Die sigmund die die
19:06:24 <Napkin> as you wish.. i just linked my config as well ;)
19:06:44 <kilobyte> CAO has no wordwrap in the editor, CDO has
19:06:57 <kilobyte> but again, the best editor here would be cat
19:07:23 <kilobyte> since it would be hard/abusable to provide real upload
19:07:24 <greensnark> load average: 10.63, 7.93, 4.20
19:07:31 <Napkin> ouch
19:07:37 <greensnark> Better than last year by a bit :P
19:07:58 <greensnark> I think it crossed 12 several times last year :)
19:08:08 <Napkin> 0.28 on CDO ;>
19:08:11 <due> Ijyb killed me
19:08:19 <greensnark> due: Congrats :)
19:08:19 <due> Okay, first death. Gonna grab something ot eat.
19:08:26 <due> Thanks!
19:08:30 <Napkin> :D
19:08:59 <Napkin> greensnark, how about mapping ports (ssh/telnet) from your server/ip to CDO
19:09:51 <greensnark> Napkin: Don't really want the load, we're running some customer facing stuff :)
19:10:24 <Napkin> oh, the load would be neglectable
19:10:34 <Napkin> only a small bit of traffic
19:10:36 <greensnark> True, but I'm a little afraid to touch it
19:10:44 <Napkin> hehe
19:10:57 <Napkin> all ips already in fun use, huh? :D
19:11:02 <Napkin> *full use
19:11:09 <greensnark> Oh, I'm using only two
19:11:16 <syllogism> hehe grimm got abyssed
19:11:40 <greensnark> The tourney script is having trouble finding cpu to run :P
19:12:01 <due> LOL
19:12:05 <due> I'm switching to CDO.
19:12:12 <kilobyte> Napkin: hmm, CDO copies in a keybindings file that prevents arrow keys from working.  Clearing it away fixes the issue.
19:12:41 <due> Wow, CDO ismuch faster.
19:12:53 <greensnark> load average: 13.77, 13.37, 7.89
19:12:56 <greensnark> Yay, we have beaten 2009
19:13:11 <syllogism> with fewer people playing? :P
19:13:25 <greensnark> We're up to 63 games now, not sure how many active :)
19:13:38 <Napkin> kilobyte: could be the default macro file
19:13:44 <Napkin> empty it and try again?
19:13:45 <syllogism> !lg * char=ghfe
19:13:46 <Sequell> 157. valrus the Sneak (L2 GhFE), slain by a goblin (a -1,+1 orcish club) on D:2 on 2010-08-01, with 73 points after 1123 turns and 0:04:49.
19:14:00 <by> good tournament start everyone
19:14:05 <Napkin> it's quite old and was supposed to enable numpad in xterm, gnome-meeting and solaris xterm
19:14:07 * by managed to wake up accidentally
19:14:07 <kilobyte> Napkin: that's what I did
19:14:08 <greensnark> Aha, the tourney script is finally trying to update pages :P
19:14:20 <Napkin> good
19:14:29 <Napkin> moin rob :)
19:14:52 <greensnark> Hey, there are people playing 0.6 :P
19:14:57 <Napkin> what terminal are you using, kilobyte?
19:15:05 <Napkin> just out of curiousity
19:16:13 <Napkin> ahhh, so lagless on CDO ;>
19:16:18 <greensnark> :D
19:17:25 <due> I'm back
19:17:35 <due> I have breakfast.
19:17:36 <greensnark> Hey, elliptic is playing :)
19:17:40 <by> !lm * start>20100801 max=xl x=xl
19:17:41 <Sequell> 7. [2010-08-01] [xl=4] bookofjude the Chopper (L4 MDBe) killed Crazy Yiuf on turn 1905. (D:2)
19:17:42 <st_> I KNEW IT
19:17:49 <due> Let's get this show on th eroad.
19:18:39 <greensnark> We're in new load average territory: load average: 14.12, 15.93, 10.83
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19:19:23 <kilobyte> Napkin: gnome-terminal
19:19:35 <due> greensnark: HAHA.
19:19:48 <kilobyte> Napkin: everything libvte based is going to be the same
19:20:29 <Napkin> you're the first to complain
19:20:42 <Napkin> will keep an ear open
19:20:46 <by> greensnark: what's the correct way to filter for tournament? start>20100801 cv=0.7 ?
19:21:12 <greensnark> Yes
19:21:25 <by> !lm * start>20100801 cv=0.7 max=xl
19:21:25 <Sequell> 9. [2010-08-01] Ahrin the Sneak (L4 SpSt) killed Terence on turn 1421. (D:2)
19:21:43 <by> !lm casmith789
19:21:43 <Sequell> 3431. [2010-08-01] casmith789 the Frost Mage (L9 MfIE) killed Grinder on turn 8317. (D:7)
19:21:49 <by> !lm casmith789 x=cv
19:21:50 <Sequell> 3431. [2010-08-01] [cv=0.7] casmith789 the Frost Mage (L9 MfIE) killed Grinder on turn 8317. (D:7)
19:21:56 <by> !lm casmith789 x=start
19:21:57 <Sequell> 3431. [2010-08-01] [start=-01- []] casmith789 the Frost Mage (L9 MfIE) killed Grinder on turn 8317. (D:7)
19:21:57 <greensnark> That doesn't quite work right for milestones
19:22:01 <by> ok
19:22:06 <by> just confused
19:22:14 <greensnark> !lm * 0.7 x=rstart
19:22:15 <Sequell> 16904. [2010-08-01] [rstart=2010-08-01 [20100701001209S]] reid the Infuser (L8 SpEn) killed Crazy Yiuf on turn 3935. (D:5)
19:22:24 <due> oh hey, singularity achieved rob
19:22:36 <greensnark> Yeah, I need to fix the milestone field, it doesn't get a correct start time
19:22:47 <greensnark> !lm * 0.7 rstart>20100701 max=xl
19:22:49 <Sequell> 111. [2010-08-01] Jaeger the Slicer (L10 HaBe) entered the Lair of Beasts on turn 9136. (D:8)
19:22:50 <syllogism> elliptic died
19:23:01 <due> jesus christ, 67 players?
19:23:47 <syllogism> no one is doing a particularily crazy speedrun this year
19:23:56 <Mu_> i didn't even realise elliptic was on
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19:25:10 <due> gah I'm actually having to play carefully
19:25:36 <due> Which I'm not doin gso well at
19:26:36 <greensnark> Heh, 78291 acquired an ankus
19:26:48 <due> ... why would one acquire an ankus?
19:27:08 <greensnark> Presumably he hoped for better
19:27:40 <due> jesus
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19:29:19 <syllogism> !aplayers
19:29:23 <doy> so who's farthest along so far
19:29:28 <due> !whereis
19:29:32 <due> I'm doin gokay
19:29:35 <greensnark> Poor Henzell
19:29:51 <syllogism> zipcode I suppose, his character is pretty weak though
19:31:22 <greensnark> elliptic died again?
19:31:28 <Mu_> yeah
19:32:03 <greensnark> Henzell is falling behind on the announces :P
19:32:10 <Mu_> grimm is pretty far along too, he's d11 and cleared a bit of orc already
19:32:20 <syllogism> he also has like 12 wands
19:32:25 <greensnark> 125 users,  load average: 22.38, 18.60, 14.43
19:32:30 <syllogism> ouch
19:32:53 <Mu_> does watching players hurt the server because i watch lots of players and will stop doing that if it'll help :p
19:32:53 <greensnark> That counts spectators as well
19:33:16 <Mu_> sorry :p
19:33:18 <greensnark> Mu_: Well, the initial watch thing is a bit of load, but after that it's minor
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19:33:25 <due> LOL
19:33:27 <greensnark> I watch a lot of players myself :P
19:33:34 <Mu_> oh ok :p
19:33:44 <greensnark> Henzell is reniced, probably just not able to get any CPU edgeways :)
19:34:08 <Mu_> grimm has had great luck with items
19:34:32 <due> I've gotta zig :D
19:35:21 <syllogism> weird lair altar vault
19:36:14 <due> Randart robe!
19:36:54 <greensnark> Hey, ais is topscorer :)
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19:37:35 <doy> man, rod of venom and rod of demonology by d:8, and i'm a dd
19:37:38 <doy> pretty useful
19:38:25 <due> !whereis
19:38:33 <Napkin> rofl: 16 users,  load average: 0.17, 0.16, 0.15
19:38:34 <due> I'm the fanfare of bloodshed, nice.
19:38:35 <Henzell> bookofjude the Chopper (L5 MDBe), a worshipper of Trog, dead on D:4 on 2010-08-01 after 3370 turns.
19:38:52 <doy> up to 76 on cao
19:39:03 <syllogism> !aplayers
19:39:10 <due> Mu_: are you watching me?):
19:39:11 <Henzell> 50 active, <=80x24 players: Hybrid (L27 DSVM @ D:27, T:378971), Daemmerung (L12 DSNe @ Swamp:2, T:18855), Grimm (L11 MfGl @ Lair:2, T:14409), casmith789 (L10 MfIE @ D:9, T:12504), nmf (L10 SpEn @ D:10, T:9767), GeoGeo (L9 MDFi @ D:7, T:10088), 78291 (L9 SpCK @ Lair:4, T:13856), Cruella (L9 TrCK @ D:9, T:3785), doy (L9 DDBe @ D:8, T:6146), Asema (L8 SpAs @ Sewer, T:7420), henryci (L8 MDCK @ D:8, T:...
19:39:34 <syllogism> !lm cruella
19:39:35 <Sequell> 781. [2010-08-01] Cruella the Ruffian (L9 TrCK) killed Grinder on turn 3345. (D:8)
19:39:38 <Mu_> due: i was until your cao guy died :p
19:39:47 <due> Mu_: I'm on CDO now
19:41:11 <syllogism> zipcode victory dancing by the border with projected noise, good thing that bug was fixed :P
19:41:25 <due> Okay, not going down those stairs.
19:41:25 <Napkin> well, good luck everyone - and g'night o/
19:41:29 <Mu_> haha
19:41:37 <greensnark> That can't be the fastest way to victory dance when looking for first win
19:41:44 <greensnark> Goodnight Napkin
19:41:53 <syllogism> !lm jaeger char=habe 1
19:41:53 <Sequell> 1. [2010-06-30] Jaeger the Ducker (L4 HaBe) killed Terence on turn 3041. (D:3)
19:41:58 <due> okay, brb.
19:43:09 <Mu_> elliptic is getting caught up fast
19:44:30 <due> fucking dowan drained me
19:45:28 <greensnark> Hey, he's your baby :P
19:45:29 <due> Argh, I never fixed the ally-killing-twin bug.
19:45:31 <greensnark> You should be happy :P
19:46:12 <due> wherefore Duvessa
19:46:35 <due> ... she had disint
19:49:16 <due> greensnark: Tourney scores only have 1 character for me...
19:49:33 <greensnark> Yes, the script is suffering a bit from CPU starvation :)
19:49:39 <greensnark> !lg bookofjude
19:49:40 <Sequell> 1288. bookofjude the Fiendish (L7 MDCK), worshipper of Makhleb, blasted by a ynoxinul (iron shot) (summoned by the player character) on D:5 on 2010-08-01, with 835 points after 6683 turns and 0:20:48.
19:49:49 <greensnark> Nice
19:50:27 <due> Hah.
19:50:30 <due> Yeah, stupidity on my part.
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20:01:25 <greensnark> !aplayers
20:01:54 <doy> lagggg
20:02:08 <doy> (82 games)
20:03:57 <Henzell> 54 active, <=80x24 players: Hybrid (L27 DSVM @ Crypt:2, T:386641), Blackmore (L18 MDBe @ Swamp:2, T:53681), Jaeger (L14 HaBe @ D:10, T:23829), Daemmerung (L13 DSNe @ Snake:1, T:19803), Grimm (L13 MfGl @ Lair:1, T:23054), casmith789 (L12 MfIE @ Lair:3, T:20058), elliptic (L12 SpEn @ Lair:7, T:9415), nmf (L12 SpEn @ Lair:2, T:14171), 78291 (L11 SpCK @ Swamp:2, T:20298), GeoGeo (L10 MDFi @ D:9, T:114...
20:04:06 <greensnark> doy: Heh, you saved the wand :P
20:04:10 <doy> (:
20:04:47 <due> I'm just not in the mood for this, I guess.
20:04:58 <greensnark> due: Kick back and watch the action!
20:05:04 <greensnark> That's what I always do :)
20:05:18 <greensnark> Interesting open field for first win
20:06:11 <Mu_> 78 is livin dangerously
20:06:17 <doy> he usually does
20:06:17 <doy> (:
20:08:21 <greensnark> Niice
20:08:44 <doy> hmm?
20:08:51 <Mu_> he got a rune
20:08:58 <doy> sweet
20:09:00 <by> !lm * type=rune
20:09:01 <Sequell> 34215. [2010-08-01] 78291 the Infuser (L11 SpCK) found a decaying rune of Zot on turn 21224. (Swamp:5)
20:09:04 <by> !lm * type=rune -2
20:09:05 <Sequell> 34214. [2010-08-01] Napkin the Swashbuckler (L17 DSAs) found a decaying rune of Zot on turn 60190. (Swamp:5)
20:09:07 <Mu_> elliptic didn't get an easy jiyva altar it seems
20:09:27 <greensnark> He found Slime already?
20:09:35 <Mu_> yeah
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20:10:39 <greensnark> Heh, 78291 apporting the honeycomb out of a beehive :)
20:17:56 <st_> you shouldn't be able to climb down stairs while overloaded right?
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20:18:43 <greensnark> You can't go up, dunno about going down
20:19:17 <by> cdo is full of due's ghosts
20:19:38 <Mu_> hah
20:19:55 <greensnark> @whereis rob
20:19:56 <Gretell> rob the Firebug (L7 GhFE) is currently on D:5 after 11273 turns.
20:20:01 <greensnark> Ah, nice
20:20:21 <by> the way this is going, should have kept it for a streak :)
20:20:54 <due> by: :D
20:23:59 <due> greensnark: Is scoring running on CDO?
20:24:04 <due> Oh, yes.
20:24:33 <greensnark> Yeah, but the script is running on cao and consequently sloooow
20:24:46 <due> HEH.
20:24:54 <due> Have my ghosts killed anyone yet?
20:25:16 <greensnark> You played on CDO, right? There's just a half dozen players there, and they all know what to do with ghosts :P
20:25:39 <due> Yeah.
20:26:26 <greensnark> 144 users,  load average: 24.90, 21.17, 19.15
20:26:29 <greensnark> A new record!
20:26:49 <due> Is it?
20:26:56 <greensnark> Almost on 25
20:27:03 <greensnark> I'm talking about load average, not users
20:28:40 <due> oh
20:31:29 <doy> +2 orc war axe (vamp)
20:31:31 <doy> as ddbe
20:31:47 <due> the amulet of the Ten Runes {Clar rC++ Int+2 Dam+4}       747 gold
20:31:47 <greensnark> Less talk, more win :P
20:31:49 <due> I'm coming back for that
20:32:02 <doy> i'd better win this game, i'm having a pretty absurdly good start
20:32:27 <ais523> why can I not press 5 with a monster in view that can't reach me?
20:32:38 <ais523> I ended up having to hold down . and died as a result
20:35:33 <due> !!!
20:35:40 <due> the +10,+6 mithril axe "Arga" {speed, MR Str+2}          2702 gold
20:35:52 <doy> due: nice
20:35:58 <greensnark> due: Won't the next trove want that? :P
20:36:01 <Mu_> may you speed over your rivals
20:37:24 <due> I'm using staves at the minute, thinking of switching to axes.
20:37:26 <due> !apt mi axe
20:37:27 <Henzell> Mi (SK_AXES)=2!
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21:06:25 <doy> !lg 78291
21:06:25 <Sequell> Index out of range: 78290
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21:06:29 <doy> !lg !78291
21:06:30 <Sequell> 731817. Grimm the Charm-Maker (L6 SpEn), slain by Pikel (a +0,+1 whip of pain) on D:5 on 2010-08-01, with 609 points after 4308 turns and 0:07:54.
21:06:35 <greensnark> !lg @78291
21:06:36 <Sequell> 4348. 78291 the Infuser (L12 SpCK), worshipper of Lugonu, blasted by an orb of fire (bolt of fire) on Zot:5 (hall of Zot) on 2010-08-01, with 25121 points after 31617 turns and 1:56:29.
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21:06:41 <doy> aw
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21:10:33 <due> Didhe not make it?
21:10:36 <due> Any wins yet?
21:10:41 <greensnark> elliptic
21:10:47 <due> ... he's won already?
21:10:53 <greensnark> 5 mins back
21:10:56 <due> Jesus christ.
21:11:06 <greensnark> And that was after he killed off a few characters early :)
21:11:22 <greensnark> !gamesby elliptic start>20100801
21:11:23 <Sequell> elliptic (start>20100801) has played 3 games, between 20100801 and 20100801, won 1 (33.3%), high score 2753140, total score 2754779, total turns 31554, total time 1:53:01.
21:11:34 <due> Heh.
21:14:28 <doy> who else is far along
21:15:40 <due> I haven't made it to lair yet
21:16:40 <greensnark> !gamesby * when=t
21:16:40 <Sequell> * (when=t) has played 402 games, between 20100801 and 20100801, won 1 (0.2%), high score 2753140, total score 3323643, total turns 967809, total time 65:33:03.
21:16:51 <greensnark> !lm * when=t s=rune
21:16:52 <Sequell> 11 milestones for * (when=t): 4x decaying, 3x serpentine, 2x silver, 1x barnacled, 1x abyssal
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21:17:34 <due> oh nice
21:17:44 <doy> nice
21:17:50 <doy> !lm * when=t type=rune
21:17:51 <Sequell> 11. [2010-08-01] reid the Bewitcher (L16 SpEn) found a silver rune of Zot on turn 29454. (Vault:8)
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21:21:06 <greensnark> Oh hey, Shoals claimed a victim \o/
21:21:10 <greensnark> !lg * Shoals -tv
21:21:11 <Sequell> 386. Grimm, XL17 MfGl, T:36775 requested for FooTV.
21:21:25 <due> I'm gonnna diiie
21:21:41 <greensnark> We're all going to die :P
21:21:42 <pointless_> I seem to have found a shadow dragon and some 2s on lair:8
21:21:46 <due> Oh wait, Spriggan.
21:21:47 <pointless_> Who could possibly be responsible
21:21:53 <due> pointless_: Hi
21:21:58 <pointless_> Hi!
21:22:06 <doy> awww
21:22:09 <greensnark> due put a shadow dragon on Lair:8? :P
21:22:18 <doy> why did that victim have to be on my team d;
21:22:18 <kilobyte> due: <3
21:22:20 <pointless_> and a sun demon
21:25:10 <due> Shadow dragon unlikely
21:25:12 <due> Dragon likely
21:27:28 <greensnark> Heh, pointless_ being true to team ogre's charter
21:28:02 <pointless_> forgetting I took of rP and confusing myself?
21:28:14 <greensnark> No, starting with an ogre!
21:28:31 <pointless_> yes not going to play that much this year, so I'll make what contributions I can
21:30:30 <doy> ...bah
21:30:36 <doy> You finish putting on the +0 banded mail of Happiness {rF+ rC+ Str+4 Dam-4}.
21:30:39 <doy> so close!
21:30:57 <casmith789> just pencil in a line
21:36:08 <due> pointless_: How'd you get a shadow dragon?
21:36:20 <pointless_> I opened a door and there was a shadow dragon
21:36:25 <doy> heh
21:36:35 <greensnark> A shadow dragon in a tux
21:36:43 <pointless_> this was after I killed some wizard
21:39:12 <due> Shadow dragon is pretty unlikely.
21:39:16 <due> It's not a spawn there.
21:39:28 <due> Unless somehow a high HD monster spawned and a neqoxec accidentally polymorphed it.
21:40:06 <doy> my first guess would be a vault
21:42:01 <greensnark> I suspect due
21:42:40 <pointless_> well after what I did to the dire elephants, I imagine I wracked up some negative due karma
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21:43:14 <ais523> hellephants are ruining the Abyss! Ruining, I say!
21:43:25 <pointless_> driving down the property values
21:43:31 <greensnark> !lg * killer=hellephant
21:43:31 <Sequell> 1. ais523 the Ducker (L1 SpCK), blasted by a hellephant (blast of flame) in the Abyss on 2010-08-01, with 31 points after 81 turns and 0:00:47.
21:43:34 <greensnark> Nice
21:43:38 <greensnark> First hellephant victim
21:43:44 <ais523> I was L1
21:43:53 <ais523> but I'm glad to hear I'm the first person to die to a hellephant
21:43:53 <Cryp71c> :( Invisible merfolk still make disturbances in water
21:44:06 <greensnark> Cryp71c: What do you expect them to do? :P
21:44:06 <doy> Cryp71c: yup
21:44:10 <doy> makes sense to me
21:44:41 <Cryp71c> greensnark, be invisible! :P
21:44:47 <Cryp71c> idk
21:47:08 <doy> do we have actual lair:8 vaults now?
21:47:12 <doy> or is this a random one
21:47:33 <greensnark> There's a bunch of Lair:8 endings
21:47:37 <due> doy: lair:8 endings exist.
21:47:37 <greensnark> All by due, YHBW
21:47:40 <doy> cool
21:47:48 <doy> this is an elephant one, it looks like
21:47:54 <doy> hopefully no hellephants here d:
21:48:10 <greensnark> I don't think he put any hellephants in the Lair :P
21:48:19 <greensnark> But you might meet, I don't know, a shadow dragon
21:48:20 <doy> you never know!
21:48:21 <doy> (:
21:48:49 <ais523> anyway, I think casmith789's death may be a bug
21:48:59 <casmith789> ?
21:49:05 <ais523> it seems wrong to get oneshotted in melee by something that isn't even adjacent, when going upstairs
21:49:28 <greensnark> Using stairs is slow
21:49:47 <doy> ais523: not a bug
21:49:52 <ais523> well, OK
21:49:57 <ais523> it's certainly rather unintuitive
21:50:11 <doy> don't really see how
21:50:17 <greensnark> There's a parade of messages about using the stairs, and you'll figure it out quickly
21:50:19 <casmith789> annoying, but not a bug
21:50:31 <greensnark> It doesn't take long to work it out
21:50:35 <ais523> I know monsters get a free turn when I use the stairs
21:50:39 <ais523> but not /that/ much of a free turn
21:50:51 <greensnark> azure jellies are fast
21:50:51 <doy> there's also speed randomization
21:50:59 <doy> and monsters just being faster than you, yeah
21:51:04 <doy> @??azure jelly
21:51:05 <Gretell> azure jelly (12J) | Speed: 12 | HD: 15 | Health: 62-103 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Damage: 1212(cold:15-44), 1212(cold:15-44), 12, 12 | Flags: sense invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx | Vul: 04fire | XP: 2135.
21:51:23 <doy> monsters get a free one of your turns
21:52:14 <greensnark> !lg rob GhFE -tv
21:52:15 <Sequell> 1. rob, XL10 GhFE, T:20342 requested for FooTV.
21:53:01 <greensnark> by: Were you testing new Gh hunger? :P
21:53:16 <casmith789> new gh hunger?
21:53:30 <greensnark> They rot instead of starving
21:54:24 <doy> @??dire elephant
21:54:24 <Gretell> dire elephant (02Y) | Speed: 10 | HD: 15 | Health: 92-133 | AC/EV: 13/2 | Damage: 40, 15 | Res: 06magic(100) | XP: 1613.
21:54:43 <doy> oh, man
21:54:45 <doy> why am i so dumb
21:54:55 <doy> really need to stop that
21:55:18 <doy> was wondering why those things were getting free hits on me
21:55:32 <doy> turns out i forgot to wait for my post-zerk slow to wear off
21:56:12 <greensnark> Nice blink :P
21:56:14 <due> "lol"
21:56:18 <doy> yeah, what's up with that
21:56:19 <doy> d:
21:56:32 <doy> where did that thing even come from
21:56:41 <greensnark> due cunningly positioned dire elephants to cut off lines of retreat :P
21:57:29 <doy> can elephants open doors or what
21:57:56 <ais523> they should trample them down
21:58:24 <doy> oh, the elephant statues turn into dire elephants?
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21:59:06 <greensnark> doy: Statues are prone to do that in this kind of game :)
21:59:25 <doy> bah, i'd come back later but there's a runed broad axe in there
21:59:49 <greensnark> Too bad orc slaying is gone, or we could all guess that it's orc slaying
22:00:04 <due> it'll be vorpal
22:02:01 <greensnark> Hah, SA: http://angryhosting.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/c5/c513dd64c8c3c6f84ab8d4da17b5b7047cec6313.jpg#via=salr
22:02:11 <doy> nice
22:02:12 <doy> (:
22:05:43 <due> LOL
22:05:47 <doy> bah
22:09:38 <doy> not bad
22:09:54 <due> How's CAO coping?
22:10:04 <doy> mostly fine
22:10:05 <greensnark> doy: No shortage of elephants, eh? :P
22:10:23 <greensnark> Load average has been dropping to saner levels: load average: 7.26, 8.43, 9.32
22:13:05 <due> I might switch back to CAO then.
22:13:59 <greensnark> Well, 7 is not exactly a nice load average :)
22:14:53 <rwbarton> it feels a lot better than it did during the first hour
22:15:26 <due> Better than 20.
22:16:01 <doy> uh
22:16:02 <due> greensnark: Did you hear my suggestion? giant bat -> megabat.
22:16:11 <doy> i just picked up a pile of ~5000 gold
22:16:13 <doy> in a bailey
22:16:19 <due> doy: that happens
22:18:10 <doy> is it intended to?
22:18:23 <due> I'm uynsure.
22:18:37 <doy> i think it's a bug that we fixed earlier for sewers
22:18:48 <doy> maybe just forgot to fix it in baileys
22:18:59 <doy> i think the issue was that the vaults are placing acquirement-level items
22:19:05 <doy> and gold acquirement got a huge buff recently
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22:20:01 <due> ah
22:21:03 <greensnark> Vaults using | are fine, but if you're using stuff like "good_item any" you have to watch out
22:21:10 <greensnark> | does not produce gold
22:21:31 <due> You can use "any star_item" andthere's one for | too
22:22:08 <doy> superb_item?
22:22:11 <doy> or is that something else
22:22:19 <ais523> I just noticed: if you write IE on the wiki, it helpfully gives it a little dotted underline that pops up a box saying "Internet Explorer" when you hover over it
22:22:20 <due> yeah
22:22:21 <due> that's it
22:23:01 <greensnark> ais523: Cute
22:24:04 <due> Bookof Charms' order is wrong
22:24:17 <greensnark> !aplayers
22:24:30 <Henzell> 35 active, <=80x24 players: nmf (L17 SpEn @ Lair:3, T:42180), orbekk (L15 SpEn @ Vault:3, T:41340), doy (L14 DDBe @ Orc:3, T:25433), pointless (L14 OgRe @ D:15, T:50140), Daemmerung (L13 DSNe @ Swamp:2, T:26229), henryci (L13 MDCK @ Snake:2, T:24751), DickNixon (L12 HEAM @ Lair:3, T:26664), dtsund (L12 DEWz @ Lair:4, T:23616), NightMan (L12 HuWz @ Orc:4, T:26441), Mong (L11 HaEE @ Lair:3, T:18778)...
22:24:58 <greensnark> Wow, win #2 is a completely open field
22:26:11 <greensnark> !lm * when=t type=rune s=name
22:26:12 <Sequell> 13 milestones for * (when=t type=rune): 3x undermind, 3x 78291, 3x elliptic, 2x reid, 1x nmf, 1x Grimm
22:26:23 <greensnark> !lm nmf rune
22:26:23 <Sequell> 16. [2010-08-01] nmf the Bewitcher (L17 SpEn) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 42086. (Shoals:5)
22:28:46 <due> !wheris n78291
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22:42:15 <casmith789> !whereis n78291
22:42:31 <Henzell> 78291 the Infuser (L10 SpEn), a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, is currently on D:11 after 5976 turns.
22:42:41 <greensnark> !whereis casmith789
22:42:42 <Henzell> casmith789 the Cutter (L8 KoCr) dead on D:5 on 2010-08-01 after 9642 turns.
22:42:50 <casmith789> not going well
22:42:55 <greensnark> DDNe allruner!
22:43:00 <casmith789> I think the fact it's 04:42 doesn't help
22:43:05 <doy> i should really work on playing faster
22:43:06 <greensnark> That might do it too :)
22:43:08 <due> Trmo of Ely is nice
22:43:14 <due> I wonder how food will go later though.
22:44:58 <doy> hmmmm
22:47:07 <greensnark> I see Boris wants to say hi to you
22:47:19 <due> ohai boris
22:47:22 <due> Is anyone  watching me?
22:48:17 <greensnark> < lazarenth> the secret portal to hell vault was awesome
22:48:36 <doy> due: i am now!
22:49:17 <doy> boris tries to cast ood through monsters
22:49:18 <doy> bug?
22:49:18 <due> Dual sust on a troll, woot!
22:50:00 <due> No?
22:50:03 <due> Oh, yes.
22:52:38 <greensnark> Ok, I'm off to bed, someone !tell me if cao or the tourney scripts explode.
22:52:53 <ais523> night
22:55:05 <casmith789> .!tell greensnark if cao or the tourney scripts explode
23:00:07 <doy> is it even worth going into an ice cave without rc?
23:01:07 <due> no
23:01:29 <doy> didn't think so
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23:14:58 <doy> really, why am i so dumb
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23:35:09 <doy> why don't player tournament pages show currently in progress games anymore
23:35:33 <due> cpu et?
23:36:33 <doy> ?
23:36:44 <due> as in, the cpu got eaten so it can't?
23:37:21 <doy> can't imagine that being anywhere near as cpu intensive as the actual score calculations
23:37:38 <doy> should be just reading in whereis files pretty much directly
23:39:41 <purge_> has first win been taken? whos closest?
23:40:23 <doy> yeah, elliptic got first win
23:40:31 <doy> other than that, still seems to be up in the air, i think
23:40:36 <doy> although i haven't been watching closely
23:40:44 <Ashenzari> Air elemental merged with air over water shows up as submerged disturbance (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2164) by mageykun
23:41:51 <doy> !lm * type=rune when=t s=name
23:41:52 <Sequell> 19 milestones for * (type=rune when=t): 3x Grimm, 3x 78291, 3x elliptic, 3x undermind, 2x reid, 2x beuhler, 2x nmf, 1x pointless
23:42:02 <doy> !lm * type=rune when=t s=game_id
23:42:03 <Sequell> 19 milestones for * (type=rune when=t): , 3x 731815, 3x 731957, 3x 731820, 2x 731850, 1x 731808
23:42:44 <doy> so 7 runes out there in active games
23:42:57 * ais523 tries to figure out if there's any way to kill the Pan lord in the tutorial
23:43:10 <ais523> my guess is no, because he oneshots you when you open the door
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