00:37:31 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:37 -!- Iainuki has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:47:04 -!- Iainuki has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:05 nerf merfolk (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2100) by TGW 01:15:51 merfolk: better than humans at every single thing they are better than humans at 01:22:32 -!- ixtli has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:32 -!- ixtli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:16 -!- Giomancer has quit [Quit: I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure.] 01:41:13 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:45:21 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:54 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:03 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:56 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:50:18 -!- eith has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:43 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:46 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:52:20 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:40 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:52:53 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:53:13 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:45 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:16 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:13 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:47:35 javelins show up for "polearm" search (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2101) by TGW 02:48:20 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:38 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58:39 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:26 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:12:55 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 03:19:54 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:01 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:57 chardumps for 0.7 on cdo aren't appearing in the 0.7 morgue directory, apparently 03:56:03 03kilobyte * r7f633dce009d 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Give monster vanilla mummies normal intelligence. 03:56:14 03kilobyte * rf49328e94aac 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Make intelligences of some monsters make more sense. 03:56:50 how about we make the entire intelligence scale make more sense 04:02:44 well, there's hardly any difference between I_NORMAL and I_HIGH 04:02:59 but all the lower values are fine 04:22:46 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:23:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:44 -!- phyphor_ is now known as phyphor 04:48:13 03kilobyte * ra9ae7dda7126 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Remove the word "polearm" from javelin's description. [2101] 04:48:13 03kilobyte * rc9a075c4ffbb 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-util.cc mon-util.h monster.cc spells3.cc): Make {fire,spatial} vortices, ball lightnings and IOOD immune to Recall/Abjuration. 05:04:34 Ookay, giant scorpion's AF_REACH_POISON works, but not if it's AT_STING, and the plain AT_HITS get reaching too. 05:09:18 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:09:22 thanks to whoever it was who fixed the command repeat crashes 05:10:02 i love being able to eat an entire stack of sultanas with 013eQ 05:10:56 Looks like the reaching implementation does not account for the monster having more attacks than one.. no clue why AT_STINGER doesn't work! 05:16:34 On second thoughts.. it doesn't make sense to have both reaching and non-reaching attacks for monsters. They should always close in to make more damage, or to be able to figure out if the player is using (dangerous) ranged attacks or not. 05:17:30 Well, crowded situations are different, it's nice that they can attack from the second row. 05:17:53 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:18:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:25:38 Weeelll, I guess we'll go with non-reaching stinger. 05:34:10 Or better yet, just make both attacks reaching 05:34:29 Remember: This is Crawl. Always take the evil way out. 05:37:23 We need Reachexutioners! 05:37:40 Reachecutioners even (maube) 05:44:02 extracutioners, from the latin extra- meaning outside of the usual area 05:44:37 speaking of which, we need to make balrugs dual-wield demon whips and a long blade 05:47:13 +1 05:54:59 ooh malign_gateway branch 05:56:45 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:57:20 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:02:43 Wecould redo Demonology into something like The Book of Evil Rites (placeholder name), and stuff SHT and Haunt in there along with the malign gateway 06:03:04 Not put the best spells in Summonings :P 06:03:32 I haven't read my inbox yet 06:03:38 hi due! 06:16:39 oh maaan I cannot believe charles is implementing malign gateway, that's so fucking cool 06:18:45 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:29 Hentai Portal? :) 06:19:49 looks a bit messy with 6 portals open at once next to each other :P 06:20:09 What monsters get it? :) 06:20:21 probably just a player spell right now 06:20:25 :( 06:21:49 now we just need a tentacle monster branch so you can enter the portal 06:22:34 <3 06:22:44 I'm with that. 06:30:45 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:31:15 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:35 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:04 is six potions of experience in bailey_axe_minmay_hex_keep a bug? 06:49:11 I'd hope so 06:50:30 it may be unwieldy as a monster spell, but we should have vaults with permanent such portals 06:52:02 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:52:12 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:27 03by * r224138d32b2a 10/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc: Fix generated potion quantities. 07:18:31 Here: A demigod zombie - supposed to happen? 07:19:11 potions of gain stat, experience and *restore abilities* are limited to one at a time 07:19:31 any idea why restore abilities is in there? 07:22:54 !lg * 0.7 place=shoals 07:22:55 8. Stabwound the Brawler (L15 TrBe), worshipper of Trog, demolished by a merfolk impaler (a +1,+1 trident of reaching) on Shoals:1 on 2010-07-26, with 83694 points after 34660 turns and 3:06:17. 07:23:00 !lg * 0.7 place=shoals -tv 07:23:01 8. Stabwound, XL15 TrBe, T:34660 requested for FooTV. 07:26:32 Wow 07:26:45 !lg * 0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals s=br 07:26:46 14 games for * (0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals): 8x Shoals, 3x Snake, 3x Swamp 07:28:38 st_: think not; I think kilobyte worked on that recently -- maybe it's fixed in master? 07:28:57 @?demigod zombie 07:28:58 unknown monster: "demigod zombie" 07:29:00 @??demigod zombie 07:29:01 demigod zombie (07z) | Speed: 8 | HD: 5 | Health: 31-54 | AC/EV: 0/7 | Damage: 8 | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(1), 02cold++, 03poison | XP: 51. 07:29:01 !lm clouded x=v 07:29:02 9376. [2010-07-27] [v=0.8.0-a0] clouded the Severer (L25 DrIE) reached level 5 of the Crypt on turn 128126. (Crypt:5) 07:32:34 st_: shouldn't happen since 553c2877 (four days ago) 07:33:01 st_: but "shouldn't" doesn't mean "can't", as I might have overlooked something 07:48:02 03Keskitalo * r19152e8ed09f 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc: Make the monster spells SPELL_BLINK_AWAY, SPELL_BLINK_RANGE and SPELL_BLINK_CLOSE consume energy. 07:48:05 03Keskitalo * r710f8ec95ab3 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Implement jumping spiders for Spider's Nest. 08:03:42 03kilobyte * r9beee5eab1e7 10/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc: Fix non-random potions and compilation. 08:15:43 thanks 08:25:26 -!- DocAquatic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:27:46 -!- DocAquatic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:41 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53:04 03Keskitalo * rac0c93165220 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Implement tarantella for Spider's Nest. 08:54:00 at this rate spider's nest should be a branch instead of a portal vault 08:57:00 That's all the new monsters. 09:06:21 Tarantellas make you dance when they bite, do they 09:06:33 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:53 AF_CONFUSE, yeah 09:07:04 Is the name intentional? 09:07:20 :P 09:07:55 assumed it was just a typo 09:08:23 “A small but greatly-feared spider whose venom causes its victims to break into a frenzied dance.” 09:08:29 Hehe 09:09:07 !lg * 0.7 place=snake|Swamp|shoals s=br 09:09:08 15 games for * (0.7 place=snake|Swamp|shoals): 9x Shoals, 3x Snake, 3x Swamp 09:09:12 Gogo Shoals :D 09:10:18 It's "tarantella" in Finnish btw, I didn't notice anything weird about the name before :) 09:11:36 !lg * place=Forest s=br 09:11:37 No games for * (place=Forest) 09:11:38 :( 09:11:43 while that's sometimes used, it's Tarantula in Finnish :P 09:12:01 but don't worry, I'll try to beat Spider :p 09:14:47 Morning 09:15:20 Cryp71c: good afternoon! 09:17:39 Alas! 9:15 AM here :D 09:17:49 My day is only started, oh how I wish it was afternoon. 09:20:44 syllogism: Ah, so it seems. 09:22:45 oh there's an unsporktv 09:33:46 03Cryp71c * r907fda0f81f8 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): Merge branch 'unarmed_effects' 09:33:56 Muwahahaha 09:33:57 kilobyte: extension debug message is using mprf 09:53:55 -!- purge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:57:17 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:50 -!- Siber has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:58:51 Keskitalo: tarantula's are really weak 09:59:19 They're supposed to come in packs and swarm casters 09:59:34 they don't really confuse AC users, as they need to get through to deal damage 10:00:37 But yeah, can and should be buffed as necessary. 10:12:16 -!- Vandal has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:17:14 FR: New undead caster for Spider, the Silken Mummy. 10:18:17 I mean, that's just an idea, in case you aren't making use of those spun-up corpses. 11:01:40 syllogism: uh oh 11:04:34 03kilobyte * rd2db466bf215 10/crawl-ref/source/spells1.cc: Don't print a debug message for extension in non-debug builds. 11:04:59 greensnark: d2db466bf215 is for 0.7.2, of course 11:06:25 Sooo.. adding a food item, will it break saves? I put it at the end of the enum, but NUM_FOODS got increased by one. 11:08:49 it's ok, there are very few enums that can't be appended 11:10:03 there's a nonsense check for NUM_FOODS == 22, it should check for NUM_FOODS == ARRAYSZ(Food_prop) instead 11:10:27 I'm not touching it since I understand you are editing this place, so it would be a conflict 11:10:44 Okay, I'll fix it, thanks! 11:13:35 Actually, I'll leave it at == 23 now.. 11:14:09 For I have to run. 11:14:54 what does this new food do? 11:16:13 03Keskitalo * rddcdb4e9e85e 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Add ambrosia for Spider's Nest. 11:16:33 confuse + MP 11:16:50 interesting 11:19:02 ok, I'm gone now. cheers! 11:27:50 haha XL27 shoals splat 11:30:15 !lg * place=shoals 11:30:16 370. Sealer the Bludgeoner (L27 KoBe), worshipper of Trog, blasted by Saint Roka (divine providence) on Shoals:2 on 2010-07-27, with 430771 points after 84408 turns and 8:20:38. 11:30:29 !lg * place=shoals -tv 11:30:30 370. Sealer, XL27 KoBe, T:84408 requested for FooTV. 11:30:36 aizul and st roka 11:30:44 whoa 11:31:35 heh, maybe we should have henzell announce splat=y deaths here 11:31:57 !lg * splat=y cv=0.7 11:31:57 15. Sealer the Bludgeoner (L27 KoBe), worshipper of Trog, blasted by Saint Roka (divine providence) on Shoals:2 on 2010-07-27, with 430771 points after 84408 turns and 8:20:38. 11:39:07 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:45:47 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:53 -!- Moriasc has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 11:51:02 -!- Siber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:09 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:44 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:49 fountains spontaneously refilling is weird 12:40:11 syllogism, yeah, it happens over time, to all fountains, it seems, randomly. 12:40:16 I see it on temple fountains all the time. 12:50:51 Get rid of condensation shield self-damage (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2102) by OG17 12:51:17 i think we should add self-damage for ozo's armour(: 12:51:35 Tht's not very armory! 12:55:17 doy: it does damage you if you've -rc 12:55:36 oh armor 12:55:37 oz's armour could cause rF- 12:56:20 i mean, i think that ice mages that walk around with rc- deserve punishment d: 13:00:55 Give reavers their own book (not book of conjurations) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2103) by nrook 13:15:59 TILES: Player dolls ahoy! (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2104) by coolio 13:28:11 neqoxecs gave me +1 str, +1 dex, rc++, +tele control 13:28:12 in a row 13:42:07 !lm syllogism 13:42:08 4822. [2010-07-27] syllogism the Tainter (L9 SpVM) found a fiery rune of Zot on turn 46035. (Pan) 13:43:15 What's Sequell? 13:43:33 OH IT'S LIKE SQL I GET IT <3 13:43:34 greensnark offloaded some of henzell's duties to it 13:43:41 greensnark: <3 13:44:41 Hi rax 13:44:47 You playing in August? :) 13:44:52 greensnark: you missed my pan adventure :P 13:45:01 You mean your pan farming? :P 13:45:16 pretty much 13:46:11 !lm * urune=3 min=xl 13:46:14 16185. [2009-08-14] 78291 the Infuser (L12 SpAE) found a silver rune of Zot on turn 27029. (Vault:8) 13:46:20 huh what :( 13:46:32 is that game urune? 13:46:40 it was 3 different pan runes 13:46:41 syllogism: you didn't win 13:46:47 oh wait milestones 13:46:48 so your urune was 0 13:47:11 I guess my urune was 2 when I picked up the rune 13:47:21 greensnark: Not much. My personal life exploded. 13:47:30 Ow :( 13:48:13 !lm syllogism x=urune 13:48:14 4822. [2010-07-27] [urune=2] syllogism the Tainter (L9 SpVM) found a fiery rune of Zot on turn 46035. (Pan) 13:48:31 !lm * urune=2 type=rune min=xl 13:48:31 1635. [2008-10-10] splat the Placeless Spriggan (L8 SpWr) found an abyssal rune of Zot on turn 13484. (Abyss) 13:48:34 oh right and there isn't even a milestone for actually picking up a rune 13:48:52 -!- stabwound has quit [] 13:49:00 !lm * urune=2 type=rune min=xl x=game_id 13:49:01 1635. [2008-10-10] [game_id=173558] splat the Placeless Spriggan (L8 SpWr) found an abyssal rune of Zot on turn 13484. (Abyss) 13:49:14 !lm * game_id=173558 type=rune 1 13:49:15 1. [2008-10-10] splat the Placeless Spriggan (L8 SpWr) found a serpentine rune of Zot on turn 10368. (Snake:5) 13:49:18 !lm * game_id=173558 type=rune 2 13:49:18 2. [2008-10-10] splat the Placeless Spriggan (L8 SpWr) found an abyssal rune of Zot on turn 13484. (Abyss) 13:49:28 !lm * game_id=173558 type=rune x=urune 2 13:49:29 2. [2008-10-10] [urune=2] splat the Placeless Spriggan (L8 SpWr) found an abyssal rune of Zot on turn 13484. (Abyss) 13:49:39 -!- zuddy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:47 weird 13:50:27 !lm * rune=glowing min=xl -2 13:50:27 676. [2010-05-09] qwqw the Infuser (L14 SpEn) found a glowing rune of Zot on turn 22259. (Pan) 13:53:51 Mostly good explosions, but I've been traveling for work a lot and other things have had my attention. 13:55:55 -!- zuddy has left ##crawl-dev 13:57:15 rax: Oh, cool. Maybe next year :) 13:58:21 !lm * game_id=173558 type=rune 1 x=urune 13:58:22 1. [2008-10-10] [urune=0] splat the Placeless Spriggan (L8 SpWr) found a serpentine rune of Zot on turn 10368. (Snake:5) 13:58:28 !lm * game_id=173558 type=rune x=urune 2 13:58:29 2. [2008-10-10] [urune=2] splat the Placeless Spriggan (L8 SpWr) found an abyssal rune of Zot on turn 13484. (Abyss) 13:58:33 That is interesting 13:59:06 greensnark, syllogism was just doing that with pan runes, he snagged cerebovs rune as his 3rd before dying 13:59:23 anyways, if you have a moment to update CDO, I'd appreciate it. 13:59:49 Sure, I can start an update 14:02:50 Thanks 14:03:23 by: Any idea how urune=2 in that second milestone? 14:04:01 not really 14:04:19 maybe apportation or autopickup is involved somehow 14:04:40 Unstable branch on CDO updated to: 0.8.0-a0-502-gddcdb4e (28.0) 14:05:01 greensnark, Unstable branch? is that Trunks proper name? 14:05:09 That's what Napking calls it anyway 14:05:14 ah, gotcha 14:05:20 Probably for descriptive reasons 14:07:54 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:58 !lg * 0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals s=br 14:08:59 20 games for * (0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals): 12x Shoals, 4x Snake, 4x Swamp 14:09:02 What 14:09:19 theree was an xl27 splat earlier 14:09:26 Yes, I saw that :) 14:09:34 I don't know what Sealer was smoking :P 14:09:46 He was all "LOL, I'm XL27, I can't die" 14:10:03 what killed him? 14:10:12 Saint Roka + tormentor 14:10:24 there were like 3 or 4 smoke demons, a tormentor, orc priests, roka, etc 14:10:27 You should watch it, it was quite amusing 14:10:28 lots of smiting going on 14:11:33 greensnark: what do you think about announcing splat=y deaths here? too spammy? 14:12:01 Hm, sounds like pretty-non-dev announcements :) 14:12:19 it made me look to see if anyone had died in swamp or snake at XL27, some guy died to poison in snake after seemingly getting all other runes 14:12:21 !lg * splat end>20100726 14:12:21 17. itsmu the Backstabber (L19 HaIE), worshipper of Cheibriados, slain by a frost giant (a +0,+0 battleaxe of freezing) on Vault:3 on 2010-07-27, with 182445 points after 49591 turns and 3:25:30. 14:12:25 it's keeping track of our successes 14:12:26 (: 14:13:25 !lg * splat end>20100726 s=place 14:13:26 17 games for * (splat end>20100726): 3x Elf:7, 2x Vault:3, 2x Pan, 2x Vault:5, 1x Zot:4, 1x Shoals:2, 1x Zot:5, 1x Slime:6, 1x Vault:4, 1x Crypt:1, 1x D:16, 1x Lab 14:13:32 Too many Vault "splats" 14:13:42 !lg * splat Slime:6 14:13:43 183. Nosferax the Grand Master (L27 DSMo), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by an acid blob (splash of acid) on Slime:6 (slime pit) on 2010-07-26, with 554288 points after 106230 turns and 6:04:51. 14:14:03 !lg * splat Lab 14:14:04 7. rob the Bewitcher (L17 DECr), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, slain by a minotaur in a Labyrinth (labyrinth spiral) on 2010-07-27, with 148594 points after 16105 turns and 3:04:05. 14:14:15 by: What were you doing there :P 14:14:40 didn't abort a berserk that went bad 14:15:26 overall berserk worked surprisingly badly that game -- berserking single greater naga or anacondas was often quite close 14:15:31 yeah, xl19 in vault:3 isn't a very interesting splat 14:16:19 Tile for Chuck the unique stone giant (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2105) by coolio 14:16:45 we have a unique stone giant? 14:17:05 one of my sprint uniques, wont show up in crawl 14:17:11 ah 14:17:24 another shoals splat 14:17:33 greensnark: look at ##crawl 14:17:33 !lg * place=shoals 14:17:34 373. BirdoPrey the Spry (L18 MfEn), worshipper of Okawaru, hit from afar by a merfolk javelineer (steel javelin) on Shoals:5 on 2010-07-27, with 169740 points after 55374 turns and 4:37:19. 14:17:47 kilobyte: <3 14:17:49 didn't he just do that 14:17:58 !lg * place=shoals name=birdoprey -2 14:17:58 4. BirdoPrey the Severer (L18 MDBe), worshipper of Trog, hit from afar by a merfolk javelineer (steel javelin) on Shoals:4 on 2010-07-26, with 186812 points after 48391 turns and 3:08:42. 14:18:00 He likes to relive his high points, apparently :D 14:18:03 yeah, he did 14:18:10 steel javelin too <3 14:18:15 At least he got to Shoals:5 this time :P 14:18:18 level 18, javelineer, steel javelin 14:18:28 a mf, too 14:18:41 The last character was MD, though 14:19:07 Oh, you meant because he splatted Mf 14:19:07 !lg * place=shoals -tv 14:19:08 373. BirdoPrey, XL18 MfEn, T:55374 requested for FooTV. 14:21:31 Heh, that siren had a demon blade :P 14:22:58 oh that splat wasn't 0.7 :( 14:28:07 That polystyrus splat was cute :P 14:31:01 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:37:30 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:45 -!- whig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:04 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:24 < Ragdoll_> Ogres are famous for driving larger elephants. Why dont ogres start with a elephant mount? 14:56:37 !tell due < Ragdoll_> Ogres are famous for driving larger elephants. Why dont ogres start with a elephant mount? 14:56:38 greensnark: OK, I'll let due know. 15:05:42 -!- badp has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:03 hey, are you aware trunk currently doesn't make? 15:07:43 Error (dc-item.txt:493): couldn't load image 'piece_of_ambrosia'. 15:09:04 !tell Keskitalo Error (dc-item.txt:493): couldn't load image 'piece_of_ambrosia'. 15:09:04 doy: OK, I'll let Keskitalo know. 15:11:17 console build should still work 15:11:53 yep, it's building 15:12:20 (but if I wanted to play trunk without tiles I could ssh on cdo..,) 15:12:28 ambrosia is also missing description 15:16:11 yep, console tiles build worked. 15:16:35 Console tiles? :) 15:17:00 hey, unicode is as close as it gets! 15:17:13 unicode builds used to fail for me :( 15:17:28 Oops, yeah, Lemuel didn't provide one, and I forgot about it. 15:17:28 Oops^2, probably forgot to git add the png again. 15:17:29 Keskitalo: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:18:10 03Keskitalo * r363869c41d9d 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/item/food/piece_of_ambrosia.png: Add the piece_of_ambrosia tile. Sigh. 15:18:47 * badp saves and makes 15:19:07 doesn't command_not_found get stuck while processing crawl's makefile 15:19:22 I hate it every time I accidentally tab complete make commands :( 15:19:37 15:20:09 bash completion? 15:20:14 yep 15:20:37 make wiz + lots of grinding 15:21:26 Heh, yeah, it takes a while 15:21:35 Seems to cache thereafter 15:22:46 what really irks me, however, is that switching builds (console wizard → tiles wizard) requires to rebuild the whole shebang 15:23:12 not really any way around that 15:23:32 there are bits of the code that are different all over the place for tiles 15:23:36 dunno, I guess files like food.o or hiscores.o would be tiles-unaware 15:23:43 or kills.o 15:23:44 -!- Mu_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:23:46 -!- Keskitalo has quit [*.net *.split] 15:23:47 -!- eith has quit [*.net *.split] 15:23:49 -!- casmith789 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:23:49 -!- flowsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 15:23:51 -!- OG17 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:23:53 -!- Siber 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should it just say "at the cost of confusion" or something. 15:41:21 03Keskitalo * rfd9d7abe715e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Add a description for the ambrosia piece. 15:42:05 warning. side effects may include dizzyness, disorientation and loss of balance. 15:47:18 Mu_: good idea! 15:48:35 Ambrosia should cause the user to frequently break into song, which will be accompanied by any small furry mammals nearby 15:48:41 Also any birds in the neighbourhood 15:49:31 -!- lorimer has quit [Quit: brb] 15:55:42 -!- xyblor has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:32 -!- lorimer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:39 I think the brainstorm page on religious jobs was productive; maybe we should do one for casting jobs and starting books. 16:01:34 There's probably too many casting classes - too much overlap. I think reaver should be eliminated since it shares a book with Cj. 16:01:51 i like reavers 16:02:09 okay, maybe they should get their own book 16:02:19 reavers are great 16:02:26 but they are way too similar to Cj 16:02:56 basically just start a Cj, and pick up a short sword and you have a reaver 16:04:10 also there's a lot of overlap between VM and St 16:04:29 and Su and Wz[summ] 16:06:41 Reaver is a cool playstyle but not a very good starting set of skills 16:07:24 stalker is basically reaver, except for stealth-based fighters 16:07:42 i've never been too sure about where wizard really fits in though 16:09:29 I think wizard is for people who want to train lots of schools 16:09:57 but how does the starting package encourage that 16:09:58 it's a great book with magic dart, blink and meph cloud 16:10:18 Whatever happens, please don't add more bloody levels to the character creation menus 16:10:18 Wiz sum is one of the best starting books 16:10:19 i mean, every single caster is going to learn blink 16:10:25 no matter what 16:10:32 doy: yeah but you get to start with it 16:10:34 I'm quite annoyed that I hit ! for random character and then am forced to choose weapon and book and crap 16:10:42 magic dart and meph cloud are both basically conj 16:10:54 greensnark: I was thinking it would be nice to get rid of menus so wizard has no choice of starting book. maybe the same for Cj 16:11:03 Yes! 16:11:07 I'm for it 16:11:34 what about fighters? 16:11:40 the summoner book would probably be the best for that idea 16:11:46 that way you're not "forced" to take a school 16:11:50 of fire/ice 16:11:57 They can keep their weapon choice, but I want '!' to go straight through to the game, not worry me with weapon choices :P 16:12:08 It's really annoying when wizmode testing stuff :P 16:12:10 maybe the wizard book could have one ice and one fire spell 16:12:30 like throw frost and conjure flame 16:13:28 !gamesby * class=wz 16:13:29 * (class=wz) has played 47449 games, between 20061202 and 20100727, won 112 (0.2%), high score 13504275, total score 587896182, total turns 226269110, total time 20098:54:40. 16:13:37 (I didn't mean we should get rid of all starting menus) 16:13:37 !gamesby * 16:13:39 * has played 726401 games, between 0000-100000000S and 20100727, won 2810 (0.4%), high score 36620901, total score 10814848841, total turns 3146859245, total time 302990:06:51. 16:13:51 Huh :P 16:14:00 heh 16:14:02 I should get rid of those yak fighters 16:14:06 They really louse up the db :P 16:14:21 i wouldn't be opposed to just ditching wz entirely 16:14:37 I likw Wz 16:14:39 like too 16:14:40 "they start with blink" is not really a good reason to keep them around 16:15:00 I think Wz is superior to Cj 16:16:37 then maybe we should tweak cj 16:17:19 but you'd probably end up with something really close to a Wz 16:17:21 no way is wizard better than cj 16:17:24 i'm just not seeing what we gain by having wz[ice], wz[fire], wz[summ], cj[ice], cj[fire], fe, ie, ee, ae 16:17:33 I'm not particularily a fan of just axing starting options 16:18:06 me either 16:18:59 i'd be fine with making them more distinct too 16:19:02 I'm definitely a fan of axing Re, since it is a poor class and redundant with Cj 16:19:18 I like poor classes 16:19:26 Re are not that redundant, but the million identical Cj clones are. 16:19:27 xyblor: i want more hybrid classes, not less d: 16:19:28 but the average player doesn't 16:19:30 Well, these class/species normalisation discussions generally only make the people who make the proposals happy :P 16:19:37 it seems the goal is to make every class/race good 16:19:37 I'd say keep reaver but make it a teeny bit better to start with 16:19:41 These are very very subjective 16:19:42 doy: you can hybridize on your own time 16:20:11 I'm not entirely thrilled with the removal of hand crossbows and Th either, but I guess that ship has sailed :P 16:20:13 isn't the whole magic system going to be looked at at some point. ench splitting and school shakeup etc. i remember eronarn's project immense. 16:20:15 there should be a background that doesn't start with anything :P 16:21:08 There are a whole lot of rewrite-the-whole-X-subsystem proposals, but I'm not really convinced that many of the largeish changes in previous releases are fully baked, let alone large changes in future releases 16:21:17 greensnark: thief is going to be added back in when it can be something more interesting than "assassin, but worse" 16:21:20 and yes 16:21:29 we really need to stop doing large overhauls of things 16:21:32 I liked the "and worse" aspect to Th, though :) 16:21:34 yes 16:21:35 or at least slow down with it 16:21:37 Starting with poison is really quite cheap 16:21:43 there definitely should be challenging backgrounds and races 16:21:52 starting with curare is absurd 16:22:29 the amnesiac class. only item is a journal with the pages torn out. 16:23:54 I like the idea of "challenge" races/roles but it's not fun when the challenge is "will I die to the first enemy I see?" 16:24:01 which is basically what reaver is 16:24:06 I don't think we need challenge classes (besides Wn) when you can just have a weird playstyle and get an unusual title 16:24:36 It's questionable if Wn is even a challenge class at this point :P 16:24:43 true 16:24:43 That's just an excuse to make everything easy and say the player should impose their own challenge :) 16:24:49 I'm really annoyed with the Wn changes :P 16:25:08 But shrug 16:25:16 greensnark: the class situation is messy enough that I think it's justified 16:25:41 besides there will always be tough races 16:25:47 xyblor: Sure, you think you're making it better, and you're in good faith, but not everyone agrees :) 16:26:26 that's why I present arguments 16:26:26 Anyway, the person to convince is dpeg, I just stand here and make rude comments :) 16:26:42 Yes, but this is a bikeshed, you can argue about the colour all year :) 16:27:25 In any case, you should lay out your arguments in the wiki and let dpeg pick what he likes 16:27:36 Poor dpeg :) 16:27:42 okay, who do I ask to create the page? 16:28:06 I think you ask for page-creation permission rather than ask for a page to be created 16:28:15 okay 16:28:16 I don't remember who you ask though :) 16:28:32 Wasn't there already a page for this? 16:28:41 not really 16:28:59 there's a page called caster classes, but it's really just about a new book for wizards 16:29:04 Oh 16:33:20 !lg * 0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals s=br 16:33:21 23 games for * (0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals): 13x Shoals, 5x Snake, 5x Swamp 16:33:28 Damn, they're catching up 16:34:32 maybe I have to ask napkin 16:34:34