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00:24:01 <Moriasc> I, err... What I'm about to ask is probably ridiculous, but...
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00:26:18 <Moriasc> I have an account for the cdo tracker / wiki, to which I can't remember the password (well, I lost what it was written down on), and nor do I have access to the email address I created specifically for this account.
00:27:18 <Moriasc> Is there anything I can request especially here (to recover the password, delete the account, or alter the email address), or should I just start again?
00:27:25 * Moriasc cringes ingratiatingly
00:28:03 <Moriasc> Thank you for diverting your precious dev attention on this unworthy bungler...
00:28:45 <ogaz> Moriasc: try asking sorear or napkin
00:29:34 <sorear> I fail to see how that could possibly be considered ridiculous.
00:29:43 <sorear> Napkin or Eronarn
00:30:16 <Moriasc> sorear: Oh, I'm quite used to putting myself in hopeless situations this way.
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00:42:23 <Moriasc> OK, thanks a lot. I got my PM grovel on. :3
01:02:14 <Napkin> g'morning
01:02:22 <Napkin> still need help, Moriasc?
01:02:50 <Moriasc> Hey, if you could manage anything
01:03:28 <Moriasc> And morning :=)
01:03:48 <Napkin> hi :)
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01:09:55 <Moriasc> !coffee Napkin
01:09:55 * Henzell hands Napkin a pot of café au lait, brewed by Sigmund.
01:10:54 <Napkin> :)
01:11:15 <Napkin> waiting for breakfast and coffee here... grrr ;)
01:13:05 <Moriasc> I imagined it was just what you needed... =)
01:13:43 <Moriasc> Besides, it's the usually thing to trade hot drinks for favours, in Britain, at least.
01:13:49 <Moriasc> Feels bad not to be able to brew up for someone.
01:14:31 <Napkin> probably the reason behind Henzell in the first place ;)
01:14:56 <Moriasc> *usual, eek.
01:14:56 <Moriasc> heheh.
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01:43:59 <due> Hi
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02:23:58 <Keskitalo> Hi due!
02:26:12 <sorear> Hello Keskitalo!
02:29:46 <Keskitalo> Hi sorear!
02:30:18 <Keskitalo> I noticed Bailey doesn't redefine the rock tile, so I started checking if the branches and portals look ok in tiles..
02:31:02 <Keskitalo> The new D rock tile is definitely dungeon-y now, instead of generic rock wall, so it looked out of place. Other places look fine so far, though.
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02:34:06 <Keskitalo> Spider's Nest. :/
02:45:29 <CIA-39> 03Keskitalo * r83703125ce70 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/bailey.des: Use the brown brick rock tile for Bailey rock instead of the dungeon tiles.
02:56:19 <CIA-39> 03Keskitalo * r818127336146 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/spider.des: Specify rock and floor tiles for Spider's Nest.
03:06:09 <CIA-39> 03Keskitalo * rcd233515f1a2 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/ossuary.des: Use the brown stone tile for stone in ossuary, and the yellow sandstone for rock.
03:06:58 <Keskitalo> !tell Enne 83703125ce70 and 818127336146 would be good for 0.7, check if you like cd233515f1a2.
03:06:59 <Henzell> Keskitalo: OK, I'll let Enne know.
03:24:11 <KiloByte> Keskitalo: do you have a clue how to debug this: Failed to set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual.
03:24:39 <KiloByte> it's a call to SDL_SetVideoMode() -- can I get more detailed reason why it fails?
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03:25:38 <KiloByte> it doesn't work with either SDL_FULLSCREEN nor !SDL_FULLSCREEN
03:27:19 <KiloByte> it's a matter of the X server, as that can be determined with ssh -X to and from that box
03:28:58 <by> does glxinfo list any visuals?
03:31:34 <KiloByte> yes, lemme paste it
03:33:19 <KiloByte> http://sprunge.us/BDIb
03:41:32 <by> from reading the SDL source, I'd try calling SDL_GL_SetAttribute to set up parameters matching one of your existing visuals
03:43:26 <by> http://pastebin.ca/1905143
03:43:47 <by> those are the settings SDL uses by default
03:47:39 <by> don't see how those conflict with your visuals however
03:48:47 <KiloByte> 3/3/2 but 16 bit?  Interesting.
03:50:29 <by> but those are just minimal values I think, so both visuals should fit
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03:56:31 <by> SDL_Wrapper::init already calls SDL_GL_SetAttribute: rgba 8/8/8/8, depth 8
03:56:56 <by> so the lacking alpha visual is probably the cause
03:57:04 <by> you could try removing that
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04:39:15 <Zao> KiloByte: Don't you need local access to get a decent query of GLX capabilities?
04:39:40 <Zao> Wouldn't sshing with -X give you the capabilities of the forwarded X, which normally is horribad?
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04:41:11 <KiloByte> Zao: glxinfo was taken locally, ssh -X doesn't show the visuals
04:43:16 <KiloByte> I found some info that you need libsdl1.3 to talk to this OpenGL implementation
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04:44:10 <by> KiloByte: have you tried commenting the call to SDL_GL_SetAttribute(SDL_GL_ALPHA_SIZE) ?
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04:47:43 <KiloByte> by: yeah, doesn't help
04:50:03 <by> locally
05:13:11 <Zao> I should try SDL 1.3 on my netbook, the one that doesn't paint anything in its SDL GL windows.
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05:19:03 <st_> I just got protected_by_tso_2 from float.des in slime, I'm guessing it's not supposed to be generated there
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05:39:43 <CIA-39> 03dolorous 07stone_soup-0.7 * r31760c51907e 10/crawl-ref/source/player-equip.cc: Fix punctuation inconsistency: "life-force" versus "life force".
05:39:45 <CIA-39> 03Keskitalo 07stone_soup-0.7 * r389a74ecf251 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/tutorial/tutorial.des: Fix tutorial typos, grammar etc. [2031-2033]
05:39:47 <CIA-39> 03by 07stone_soup-0.7 * r5a0702971ec9 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Some improvements to can_go_straight.
05:39:48 <CIA-39> 03dolorous 07stone_soup-0.7 * red55e1776ce4 10/crawl-ref/source/spells4.cc: Fix typo in Phase Shift spellcasting message.
05:39:49 <CIA-39> 03Keskitalo 07stone_soup-0.7 * r317656159e49 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/bailey.des: Use the brown brick rock tile for Bailey rock instead of the dungeon tiles.
05:39:50 <CIA-39> 03Keskitalo 07stone_soup-0.7 * r22658119834f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/spider.des: Specify rock and floor tiles for Spider's Nest.
05:39:52 <CIA-39> 03Keskitalo 07stone_soup-0.7 * r2c6833ceec5d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/ossuary.des: Use the brown stone tile for stone in ossuary, and the yellow sandstone for rock.
05:42:05 <Mu_> how many vaults does spider have?
05:42:10 <KiloByte> just one
05:42:49 <Mu_> is it definitely going to become a new lair branch?
05:43:21 <KiloByte> the development on it kind of stopped
05:43:26 <Mu_> ah ok
05:44:21 <KiloByte> ah, it's Eino's -- he may tell you more
05:46:31 <greensnark> CDO builds 0.7 linux, windows tiles zip, windows console zip and windows crawl installer before the xcode project has finished building crawl tiles
05:46:58 <by> CDO has the right priorities
05:47:55 <Zao> Awesome. SDL tip makes my video driver crash.
05:48:57 <by> to discourage digging out all of slime, the dug walls could grow back elsewhere, including right next to the digger
05:51:49 <KiloByte> isn't slime vile enough already?
05:53:15 <KiloByte> it was worse than Pan for non-conjurers in 0.6, I just dread it in 0.7.  Making it even worse may be... well, extreme.
05:53:44 <by> if that pan comparison is correct, then that's a huge pan problem
05:53:56 <greensnark> Pan and zigs are a huge problem
05:54:04 <greensnark> Abyss too
05:54:12 <greensnark> Infinite item and xp sources = xsuck
05:54:16 <KiloByte> !lg . place=Slime s=char
05:54:16 <Sequell> 6 games for KiloByte (place=Slime): 3x MfWr, 2x SpPr, 1x MfFi
05:54:20 <KiloByte> !lg . place=Pan s=char
05:54:20 <Sequell> 2 games for KiloByte (place=Pan): 1x SpDK, 1x SpRe
05:54:28 <greensnark> Zigs are particularly terrible
05:55:21 <KiloByte> 3 times as many deaths for less than 1/10th the number of explored levels
05:55:42 <greensnark> We should a) git rid of the bloody Trowel card b) cap Pan levels
05:55:56 <greensnark> As a reasonable first step :)
05:56:18 <KiloByte> capping Pan wouldn't be a bad idea, especially if we save the levels
05:56:38 <KiloByte> so the more you sit there, the more often you find already explored ones
05:57:19 <KiloByte> it would hurt those who scum for Zigs, but something that requires scumming is broken
05:58:11 <by> we could make skill training reduce other skills once a player reaches XL 27
05:58:39 <by> though that wouldn't help with item scumming
05:58:58 <greensnark> It would help with the farming for uberskill characters though
05:59:13 <greensnark> There's definitely way too much farming in Crawl
05:59:52 <greensnark> rc3 this evening folks
06:00:18 <greensnark> A fix for the silly blank name bug would be nice, but if it's too complex I'm not going to worry about it
06:00:26 <by> in my opinion, this is all a symptom of the game being too easy; doing extended end-game should always carry a real risk of losing a game you could win otherwise
06:00:36 <greensnark> newgame menu code is scary
06:00:40 <greensnark> by: Yes
06:01:03 <by> greensnark: it used to be a lot worse; how does the blank name thing show up?
06:01:06 <greensnark> There is a certain amount of risk in the extended endgame, but only if you're unspoiled or playing badly
06:01:37 <greensnark> by: If it remembers a name, which you then clear, you don't have to enter a new name
06:01:42 <KiloByte> capping Pan is easy, coming up with a good idea for Abyss is harder, though
06:01:53 <Mu_> pan would be cool as a finite branch, with each level being a big, tough encompass vault
06:02:17 <KiloByte> yeah, more encompass vaults would be great
06:02:21 <greensnark> Pan demons should get huge bonuses for being on their home ground
06:02:30 <KiloByte> greensnark: they already do
06:02:44 <KiloByte> compare pan lords elsewhere to those in Pan
06:02:44 <greensnark> Anyway, lots of potential fixes, it's just that nobody has spent time on this
06:02:54 <greensnark> KiloByte: That's just pan lords though
06:03:01 <greensnark> And pan lords outside pan are a very recent thing :)
06:03:04 <by> greensnark: is this filed somewhere, with detailed reproduction steps?
06:03:08 <greensnark> Well, recent in geological terms
06:03:15 <greensnark> by: It is not
06:03:43 <greensnark> People have reported it on wordpress comments :P
06:03:44 <by> "What is your name today?"
06:03:53 <greensnark> Despite each post requesting bugs to be filed on Mantis :P
06:04:01 <by> greensnark: can't reproduce it, so it's hard to do anything about that
06:04:03 <greensnark> I think it's because wordpress allows anonyous comments :P
06:06:09 <by> have you been able to reproduce it?
06:07:09 <by> DGL? tiles/console? windows?
06:07:27 <greensnark> Ah, it happens if you enter a space as your name
06:07:30 <greensnark> At the main menu
06:07:32 <st_> it seems like zot spawns don't stop, you can farm there just as much as pan
06:07:41 <greensnark> Apparently the name verification doesn't happen at the main menu name prompt
06:07:52 <greensnark> st_: Yeah, that should also be fixed
06:07:58 <by> so the name is " "
06:08:14 <greensnark> Yes, name is " "
06:08:45 <greensnark> The second name prompt that shows after character selection verifies name correctness; the main prompt at the beginning doesn't seem to care
06:08:51 <KiloByte> st_: same for Hell spawn effects; these form ~90% of tough opposition you meet there, though, so making them no-exp would be unfair
06:09:30 <by> ok, I'll try to fix it
06:09:36 <greensnark> Awesome <3
06:09:44 * greensnark back later in the evening.
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06:20:09 <CIA-39> 03by * r32d40c82d190 10/crawl-ref/source/startup.cc: In startup menu, trim player name before character selection.
07:19:01 <CIA-39> 03by * re4b9778d0cc9 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-book.cc: Fix buggy mprf template. (#1919)
07:23:50 <Ashenzari> Being paralysed while beaten to death should be mentionned in the death log message (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2039) by Nexos
07:33:53 <Ashenzari> A confused monster put to sleep will wander around while asleep (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2040) by wesleyshaver
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07:46:30 <Zao> I like the confuse + sleep behaviour.
07:46:37 <Zao> I thought it was intended as some kind of sleepwalking :)
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07:51:42 <sorear> it *was*
07:52:06 <sorear> or I should say
07:52:07 <sorear> it *is*
08:05:22 <CIA-39> 03by * re34721fb9389 10/crawl-ref/source/ (files.cc main.cc): Activate markers early when loading level.
08:06:25 <by> !tell greensnark e34721fb seems like an important fix, but might have side-effects. I hope at worst suboptimal message ordering.
08:06:25 <Henzell> by: OK, I'll let greensnark know.
08:13:32 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * rd7fe70d2d329 10/crawl-ref/ (435 files in 41 dirs): Merge branch 'stone_soup-0.6' into debian-0.6.
08:13:37 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * r0c9b315dd89d 10/crawl-ref/debian/ (changelog crawl-common.postinst): Merge branch 'debian' into debian-0.6
08:13:40 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * r1417da751425 10/crawl-ref/ (51 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'stone_soup-0.6' into debian-0.6
08:13:42 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * r2c2da2891593 10/crawl-ref/debian/changelog: rc3
08:13:43 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * rfe36a9caeacf 10/crawl-ref/debian/crawl-common.postinst: Fix character immortality on new installs (the score file was unwrittable).
08:13:44 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * r75e27a828cdb 10/crawl-ref/debian/ (changelog control): Replace debian/changelog with the squashed version uploaded to Debian.
08:13:47 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * r1b625c322da8 10/crawl-ref/debian/ (changelog control crawl-common.postinst): Merge branch 'debian' into debian-0.6
08:13:49 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * r4d63b3629f55 10/crawl-ref/source/ (AppHdr.h dbg-asrt.cc platform.h): Merge branch 'stone_soup-0.6' into debian-0.6
08:13:51 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * r0052714568fd 10/crawl-ref/ (22 files in 5 dirs): Merge '0.6.1'.
08:13:52 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * r8f5cbc196e08 10/crawl-ref/debian/changelog: Release 0.6.1-1
08:13:53 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * re6236ae1a127 10/crawl-ref/debian/changelog: Release 0.6
08:14:08 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * rd6d4ba6c30e4 10/crawl-ref/ (38 files in 9 dirs): Merge branches 'debian' and 'stone_soup-0.6' into debian-0.6
08:14:15 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * r895aacff1c04 10/ (884 files in 66 dirs): Merge commit '0.7.0-rc2' into debian
08:14:16 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * r5a388a4238a6 10/crawl-ref/debian/ (changelog control): Release 0.7.0~rc2-1
08:14:25 <KiloByte> holy ancient merge spam...
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08:25:32 <greensnark> We should create a things-that-will-never-be-implemented page on the wiki
08:25:32 <Henzell> greensnark: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
08:25:56 <greensnark> And add stuff like "weapons of venom should poison meat when butchered" and "confused sleeping monsters should not wander"
08:26:45 <st_> "jelly race."
08:30:41 <CIA-39> 03by 07stone_soup-0.7 * r1b52bc264b69 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-book.cc: Fix buggy mprf template. (#1919)
08:30:46 <CIA-39> 03by 07stone_soup-0.7 * r5a1de2998eb3 10/crawl-ref/source/startup.cc: In startup menu, trim player name before character selection.
08:30:46 <CIA-39> 03by 07stone_soup-0.7 * r1fdda79a4d89 10/crawl-ref/source/ (files.cc main.cc): Activate markers early when loading level.
08:33:29 <bhaak> "gender"
08:34:17 <Zao> How about breeding?
08:35:35 <KiloByte> if you're a HOPr, and meet Nergalle... that's what you have on mind?
08:36:21 <greensnark> HOPr could equally well have the hots for any of the orc uniques
08:36:45 <greensnark> Our PCs have no stated gender or sexual orientation
08:40:57 <Moriasc> That'd serve pretty well as a sort of noob-repellent, greensnark. I'd appreciate such a page.
08:50:29 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r662309f6eb16 10/crawl-ref/source/ (ng-setup.cc ng-setup.h sprint.cc): [1848] Fix Sprint starter kit not stacking with items in the character's initial inventory.
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09:12:59 <KiloByte> where do we want to have morgues on multi-user systems?  Private to user home dirs, or in the shared dir?
09:13:18 <greensnark> User home
09:22:03 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * re02ff62e12aa 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): [1109] Check for available corpse for fulsome distillation before checking for spell success.
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09:28:27 <CIA-39> 03greensnark 07stone_soup-0.7 * rc0380fb6044e 10/crawl-ref/source/ (ng-setup.cc ng-setup.h sprint.cc): [1848] Fix Sprint starter kit not stacking with items in the character's initial inventory.
09:28:28 <CIA-39> 03greensnark 07stone_soup-0.7 * r6c8a8213b153 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): [1109] Check for available corpse for fulsome distillation before checking for spell success.
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09:57:34 <Napkin> greensnark \o/
09:57:51 <greensnark> Napking!
09:57:52 <Napkin> rc3, I read?
09:58:04 <Napkin> Having Hospital break for a few hours...
09:58:10 <Napkin> Finally proper coffee again :D
09:58:29 <greensnark> Yes, rc3 :)
09:58:36 <Napkin> awesome :)
09:58:45 <syllogism> what's the target for the final
09:58:50 <greensnark> 24th
10:00:17 <Napkin> omg, -14°C in Argentinia :-O
10:00:24 <syllogism> whaat
10:00:39 <Napkin> these people have no radiator systems in their houses!
10:01:10 * greensnark has no radiator in his house.
10:01:11 <syllogism> in buenos aires?
10:01:26 <Napkin> checking news, 1s
10:01:37 <Napkin> up to -20
10:02:56 <Napkin> mar del plata has snow on the beaches - which is part of the province buenos aires
10:03:23 <syllogism> weather underground says it's +10c in buenos aires
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10:03:48 <Napkin> let's hope it stays that high
10:04:25 <Napkin> i remember that 15°C was considered a cold winter, when I was in Brazil near Rio last year
10:04:55 <syllogism> -14 was probably in the andes mountains
10:05:00 <syllogism> poor alpaca :(
10:05:19 <Napkin> well, mar del plata is beach - just saw pictures of kids playing in the snowy beach
10:07:20 <Napkin> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/21/2959907.htm?section=justin
10:08:27 <Napkin> "The cold front has also been harsh on the regions livestock, with Bolivia, Peru and Paraguay all reporting large scale deaths of farm animals. Pregnant Alpacas were losing their babies and young Alpacas were dying due to the cold in Peru."
10:08:32 <Napkin> ok, shutting up now.
10:09:25 <Napkin> weather is generally extreme this year..
10:10:04 <Napkin> coldest winter and hottest sommer in Germany.. strongest rains in south america..
10:10:14 <Napkin> how is india doing, greensnark?
10:11:03 <greensnark> No unusual weather
10:11:10 <greensnark> (yet)
10:11:15 <Napkin> I hope it'll stay that way
10:11:36 <by> clearly crawl needs alpaca babies
10:11:53 <greensnark> alpaca embryos
10:12:08 <Napkin> shoals is full already :-P
10:12:24 <greensnark> Alpaca are not particularly coastal animals anyway :)
10:12:37 <Napkin> sshh! ;>
10:13:42 <Napkin> btw, transfering my tiles-save from rc1 to rc2 made all my already seen stairs show up screwed
10:14:26 <Napkin> upstairs where shown as downstairs and upstairs where shown as.. some kind of skulls
10:15:28 <syllogism> we need a mountain branch
10:15:46 <greensnark> Napkin: Apparently that's a known issue when tiles indexes change
10:15:56 <greensnark> Napkin: You could continue in ascii :P
10:16:16 <greensnark> In addition to not suffering from this issue, it is good for your general health :)
10:16:22 <Napkin> hehe
10:23:18 <purge> People on the SA forum are arguing that crawl is "balanced", need more nerfs
10:25:08 <Napkin> greensnark? a 100% candidate on CDO
10:25:12 <Napkin> cpu
10:25:20 <Napkin> but rel-f23064b
10:25:31 <Napkin> SEGV, right?
10:25:56 <greensnark> Yes
10:26:03 <Napkin> uuh, being ignored
10:26:20 <Napkin> nsdk is her/his name
10:26:36 <Napkin> -9, I guess?
10:27:23 <Napkin> -1 did it
10:27:43 <Napkin> damn, no core :-/
10:28:01 <greensnark> -9 will leave nothing
10:28:06 <Napkin> i used -1
10:28:10 <Napkin> segv was ignored
10:28:17 <greensnark> Oh, did we not enable cores for 0.6?
10:28:28 <Napkin> we did
10:28:39 <Napkin> we have 5 in the cores folder
10:29:11 <greensnark> Hrm
10:29:14 <greensnark> !lg nsdk
10:29:15 <Sequell> 139. nsdk the Chopper (L3 MDBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by a big fish on D:3 on 2010-07-21, with 162 points after 2078 turns and 0:05:47.
10:29:18 <greensnark> @whereis nsdk
10:29:19 <Gretell> nsdk the Chopper (L3 MDBe), a worshipper of Trog, dead on D:3 on 2010-07-21 after 2078 turns.
10:29:42 <greensnark> Napkin: There was an issue that I fixed for cao but didn't commit to 0.6
10:29:52 <Napkin> about?
10:30:10 <greensnark> c3b0725b267
10:30:12 * Napkin hunts for water first
10:30:20 <greensnark> Essentially the crash handler was trying to handle SIGALRM :P
10:30:41 <greensnark> So if the sighup was stuck for long enough for the alarm to kick in, the crawl process was hosed
10:30:50 <Napkin> should I cherry-pick it?
10:30:55 <greensnark> Might be best
10:31:03 <greensnark> I was not sure why CDO never had the issue
10:31:11 <greensnark> Because cao had it for practically every HUP :P
10:31:23 <greensnark> Well, not every HUP, but pretty often :)
10:31:50 <Napkin> uuh.. i hope it can take the updated submodules?
10:32:03 <greensnark> Don't update submodules!
10:32:06 <greensnark> :)
10:32:17 <Napkin> too late! merge.sh does so :-$
10:32:34 <greensnark> Hm, only sqlite for tty builds, right?
10:32:36 <greensnark> Should be fine
10:32:45 <Napkin> and pcre?
10:32:53 <greensnark> Is it used?
10:32:58 <Napkin> let me check
10:33:05 <greensnark> I thought it was used for Windows regex
10:33:22 <Napkin> not sure, could be confused
10:33:56 <greensnark> I think we use posix regex for unix builds
10:34:00 <Napkin> CC pcre_chartables.o
10:34:06 <greensnark> Oh :)
10:34:35 <Fangorn_> what's the "SA forum"?
10:34:38 <Napkin> & lua - but see nothing of sqlite :-O
10:34:49 <greensnark> Napkin: Maybe it's using your system sqlite
10:34:50 <Napkin> Stable branch on CDO updated to: 0.6.1-6-gc9cdb5a (16.7)
10:34:58 <greensnark> <3
10:35:32 <greensnark> At least here it doesn't try to link or build pcre
10:35:44 <KiloByte> heh, interesting... if we have system pcre, we don't build the contrib one.  If we don't build the contrib one, we don't use the system one.
10:35:59 <greensnark> KiloByte: What, really?
10:36:00 <KiloByte> Thus, pcre is used only when there is none on the system.
10:36:08 <greensnark> :P
10:36:18 <Napkin> i don't have libpcre3-dev installed
10:36:23 <Napkin> only libpcre3
10:36:28 <Napkin> maybe be the reason?
10:37:00 <greensnark> Someone should fix the makefile :P
10:37:33 <greensnark> pcre regexp is much nicer than the posix crud anyway
10:38:32 <KiloByte> it can be used to waste 100% CPU, though
10:38:47 <greensnark> Oh, POSIX doesn't have the worst case thing?
10:39:02 <greensnark> There's a new regex lib that also fixes it, don't remember what it's called
10:39:49 <KiloByte> not sure if POSIX is bounded or not
10:40:06 <KiloByte> yeah, that lib guarantees complexity
10:40:12 <greensnark> What was the name?
10:40:27 <KiloByte> at the cost of doing only real regular expressions, not regexes + extensions
10:40:53 <by> http://code.google.com/p/re2/ ?
10:41:01 <greensnark> by: Ah, that was it
10:41:42 <greensnark> I see they dropped backrefs
10:42:03 <greensnark> Should be enough for Crawly purposes though
10:42:18 <by> http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html is a good read
10:42:44 <greensnark> by: Yes, I read that a while back
10:44:02 <sorear> really we should just set alarm before running any user code
10:44:25 <sorear> regexeps are hardly more abusable than clua
10:44:49 <Ashenzari> Xom gifted a book with @player_death@ (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2041) by GrimmSweeper
10:45:06 <syllogism> nice
10:45:07 <greensnark> Clua is throttled, but it is certainly possible to work around the throttling
10:45:30 <greensnark> But simple mistakes like infinite loops in clua shouldn't cause Crawl to peg cpu
10:46:23 <greensnark> The @foo@ substitutions are so many and so complicated :P
10:57:52 <sorear> we should have a static verifier for them
11:00:07 <st_> poor Xom, knew how cool a book of grim death would be but just couldn't make it happen
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11:54:07 <greensnark> !tell due Any progress on banners? Could use them Real Soon Now.
11:54:07 <Henzell> greensnark: OK, I'll let due know.
11:54:49 <greensnark> !tell purge Hey, if you're free, could you draw up some banners for the tournament?
11:54:49 <Henzell> greensnark: OK, I'll let purge know.
11:55:23 <greensnark> If we have the banners I can ask rax to make the tourney announcements
11:55:36 <greensnark> The blank spaces in the rules page look kinda sucky atm
12:02:59 <greensnark> !lm * type=crash
12:02:59 <Sequell> 85. [2010-07-12] Aliza the Sneak (L1 MuAs) ASSERT((int)Buffer.size() == expanded keys left) in 'macro.cc' at line 526 failed on turn 290. (D:1)
12:03:03 <greensnark> !lm * type=crash sprint
12:03:04 <Sequell> 8. [2010-07-15] MarvinPA the Brawler (L11 TrBe) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 746 failed on turn 2620. (Sprint)
12:03:45 <MarvinPA> ohh, did i ever report that on mantis?
12:03:50 <MarvinPA> i remember looking for the crash dump
12:04:32 <MarvinPA> but i couldn't remember doing anything in particular when it happened
12:05:21 <greensnark> You resized your term?
12:05:33 <greensnark> Looked like a term resize crash
12:06:01 <MarvinPA> ahh, maybe that was it
12:06:18 <MarvinPA> i could've misclicked
12:06:20 <greensnark> Should be fixed now, but you should totally file a bug if you get crashes :)
12:06:25 <MarvinPA> yeah, sorry :P
12:09:38 <Keskitalo> greensnark: Thanks for the tile/portal vault cherry picks
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12:10:42 <greensnark> No trouble
12:11:29 <CIA-39> 03by * rfd587fdc4c11 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/descript/items.txt effects.cc itemprop.cc): Remove scrolls of recharging's effect on weapons of electrocution. (kilobyte, doy)
12:11:37 <Keskitalo> Some Baileys looked pretty awkward. I didn't notice any trouble with any other portal vaults or branches. Oh, and Spider too of course, but that was just me being lazy about it for months. :)
12:12:32 <Keskitalo> Mu_: Around?
12:17:33 <Moriasc> Spider- are we finally getting down to that?
12:19:49 <Keskitalo> Moriasc: Have you seen the portal vault yet? There's no new features in it, but it is a bit of a layout mock-up.
12:21:34 <Moriasc> Keskitalo: I, err, I'm still figuring out how best to browse the commits. This is definitely a great incentive to learn more, though.
12:21:50 <Moriasc> Keskitalo: Some things like compilation are especially a pain on my Windows.
12:22:30 <Keskitalo> I have all the commit mails in a separate folder in gmail, it's actually quite handy. On the downside, it's disinscentive to learn how to use git properly for that. :)
12:22:39 <Moriasc> Keskitalo: When I read about the branch idea it sounded really interesting, though in lack of a little... I don't know. Weirdness?
12:22:53 <Moriasc> heh, that's an interesting way of doing it.
12:23:14 <Moriasc> Keskitalo: I did like the idea of the layout especially.
12:23:52 <Keskitalo> Moriasc: I thought the msysgit net installer thingy was relatively painless, I did it the hard way pre-git (installing stuff separately). Have you tried it yet? I think the git quickstart has (some) info.
12:23:58 <Moriasc> Idea: Trapdoor spiders that capture you and drag you to another level.
12:24:30 <Keskitalo> Like shafts? Crrruel!
12:24:31 <Keskitalo> <3
12:25:14 <Moriasc> Well, I've had msysgit running for ever, probably did use the installer.
12:25:38 <greensnark> There's a gui you can use to browse commit history
12:25:40 <Keskitalo> Lack of weirdness is something to watch out for, that's true. I like the ghost moth idea in Lemuel's plan. Also the spider god<->arachnid thing could be nicely creepy.
12:25:43 <greensnark> syllogism mentioned the name
12:25:55 <Moriasc> I was going to install Cygwin and see what use I can make of that, that was what I was working on, but I need to go to a cafe and hog their connection.
12:26:06 <greensnark> git extensions I think
12:26:36 <greensnark> Lemuel was a fan of the slake moths from Perdido Street Station, yeah
12:26:53 <Moriasc> TortoiseGit seemed to serve a similar purpose.
12:26:55 <Moriasc> haha.
12:27:00 <Moriasc> I noticed that reference, too.
12:27:23 <Moriasc> Not so sure I want to fight one.
12:30:07 <felirx> msysgit is the easiest way to get started
12:30:49 <Moriasc> Perhaps the Khepri spittle slums could also serve as inspiration for parts of the layout?
12:30:55 <Gretell> elliptic (L27 DSIE)  (D:20)
12:31:50 <casmith789> ?
12:32:05 <casmith789> is that crash info?
12:32:39 <by> !lm type=crash -log
12:32:40 <Sequell> 1. rob, XL15 DSIE, T:46620 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/rob/crash-rob-20100602-233930.txt
12:32:45 <by> !lm * type=crash -log
12:32:46 <Sequell> 86. elliptic, XL27 DSIE, T:94057 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/elliptic/crash-elliptic-20100721-173054.txt
12:36:18 <syllogism> I use Git Extensions
12:36:52 <Moriasc> Okey doke, I'll check out Git Extensions, then =D
12:38:28 <Moriasc> So... when I first read about the Spider branch, my impression was of an "Attic"-style level that... wait for it... you had to *ascend* into rather than descend into xD.
12:39:02 <purge> greensnark: I would do it, but I don't know how to make the "button" part of the ribbon :/
12:39:02 <Henzell> purge: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
12:39:20 <greensnark> purge: There's a blank ribbon image
12:39:26 <greensnark> If you can edit GIMP xcf
12:39:37 <purge> I am using Gimp
12:39:47 <greensnark> Oh, then you can use the xcf direct
12:40:17 <greensnark> http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_tourney
12:40:20 <Keskitalo> Moriasc: Heh, why not.. need to use that in *some* place, definitely. :) Want to add it to the spider page? (I'll unlock it soon)
12:40:31 <Moriasc> Will do, comrade.
12:40:51 <Moriasc> Having a bit of a Wiki write up fest at the moment, in fact.
12:40:55 <greensnark> purge: xcf url: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_tourney/raw/master/images/rosette2.xcf.gz
12:41:38 <purge> ah nice
12:42:17 <greensnark> due started working on the new banners, but he seems to be busy
12:42:34 <purge> Where is the list of needed banners?
12:42:38 <greensnark> Having the banners soon would be awesome, because then we can make announcements
12:42:53 <greensnark> http://crawl.akrasiac.org/tourney10/ has three missing banners for Che, Jiyva and Fedhas
12:43:02 <greensnark> And the Kiku banner is no longer appropriate
12:43:23 <greensnark> due was working on Che and Fedhas, so could you start with Kiku? :)
12:43:55 <purge> Ok, i'll give it a shot
12:44:10 <greensnark> Also, all the banners say they're for 2009; don't add a date to the new one :)
12:44:23 <purge> should be able to let you know within a couple hours if i'm successful :D
12:44:29 <greensnark> Excellent, thanks <3
12:44:52 <greensnark> The banner sizes are bigger than shown on the tourney page
12:45:02 <greensnark> If you view the individual images you can see the real size
12:45:07 <greensnark> That git repo also has all the .png files
12:45:14 <greensnark> http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_tourney/tree/master/images/
12:45:46 <greensnark> It would be great if you could also clip the images to this size: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_tourney/blob/master/images/freewill.png
12:45:58 <greensnark> The GIMP template has a lot of space around it
12:46:06 <syllogism> Keskitalo: beats browsing old emails http://i31.tinypic.com/29pqd7l.png :P
12:48:43 <Mu_> Keskitalo: yo
12:49:08 <purge> greensnark: Sure. I am using the github template you linked, and I will crop unused space
12:50:03 <purge> I just need to play around with Gimp to figure it out more since I have never really used it :)
12:50:22 <purge> But it shouldn't be any trouble for such a simple task
12:52:08 <Keskitalo> Mu_: Did you have Spidery thoughts? Like I told Moriasc, the one map is more of a mock-up, but it's been surprisingly popular. :>
12:52:35 <Keskitalo> syllogism: Nnnice..
12:53:06 <Mu_> Keskitalo: i wasn't sure if it was worth making spider portals if the branch is due to be developed into a branch
12:53:48 <Mu_> prolly could have phrased that more clearly :p
12:55:13 <greensnark> Mm, nice crash
12:55:23 <greensnark> !lm * type=crash
12:55:23 <Sequell> 86. [2010-07-21] elliptic the Cryomancer (L27 DSIE) ? (D:20)
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12:57:13 <Keskitalo> Mu_: Maps can be repurposed, as vaults for the branch or other parts of the dungeon.. I've also been toying with the idea of portal vault versions of branches that did not appear in a particular game. :)
13:01:14 <by> greensnark: seems elliptic reloaded successfully, so probably the saved level was not the only cause, even though the crash was during load()
13:01:43 <by> my marker activation reordering might be involved, though I fail to see how
13:02:00 <greensnark> I don't see how either
13:02:21 <by> I was spectating when it crashed, and I think there was an error message on screen about a pure virtual function being called
13:02:45 <by> that might apply to notify_dgn_event, but then only map_marker subclasses that and does implement it
13:02:49 <greensnark> This sort of crash happens when a marker disappears without unregistering itself from the dungeon event mechanism
13:03:05 <greensnark> i.e. it's registered for events, and then something removes it without cleaning up
13:03:11 <greensnark> Let me check
13:03:38 <by> so it might have been a stale marker from the old level
13:03:53 <greensnark> Could be
13:04:49 <by> close_level_gates remove some markers, now after env.markers.activate_all
13:05:23 <greensnark> by: <3
13:05:27 <greensnark> That sounds exactly like it
13:05:34 <greensnark> elliptic was going up with the orb
13:05:35 <Keskitalo> Mu_: So, I wouldn't worry about that. But are there generally enough building blocks to build interesting Nest portal vaults? (*If* you limit to the Nest agenda)
13:06:23 <greensnark> by: You fixing that or shall I?
13:06:30 <Mu_> what's the nest agenda
13:06:37 <by> I'll do it
13:06:53 <greensnark> by: The abyss code has an example of how to safely remove a marker, maybe we should pull that into a function
13:07:01 <Keskitalo> Mu_: I mean the outline in the wiki, https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:branch:spider#monsters
13:07:03 <greensnark> abyss.cc:738-747
13:07:06 <Keskitalo> Oops scrap #mosnters
13:07:36 <Mu_> i'll try and make one some time
13:07:41 <Keskitalo> Cool!
13:08:37 <by> oh, just moving the call to _close_level_gates before the marker activation won't do?
13:09:34 <greensnark> That would also work, yes
13:09:55 <greensnark> But it would be nicer to fix it so the next rearrangement doesn't risk breaking it again :)
13:10:11 <by> ok, but then I'd rather let you do it
13:10:17 <greensnark> Ok
13:10:38 <by> (also, the call to _close_level_gates should also be inside if(make_changes))
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13:21:44 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r5420269c75e1 10/crawl-ref/source/files.cc: Fix crash when _close_level_gates removes a marker that was registered for dungeon events (by).
13:21:44 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r7e5f8c4843a7 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc dungeon.cc files.cc mapmark.cc mapmark.h): Add remove_markers_and_listeners_at to safely remove Lua markers and dungeon listeners from a square.
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14:17:06 <purge> greensnark: around?
14:17:16 <greensnark> Hello
14:17:27 <greensnark> Do ye bear a banner most sumptuous?
14:17:36 <greensnark> Or perhaps the strange device Excelsior?
14:17:40 <purge> Ok, i have made progess on the banner, but before I continue I wanted to get a thumbs up or thumbs down so far:
14:17:42 <purge> http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s210/purge83/KikuBanner.png
14:18:06 <greensnark> purge: Nice!
14:18:16 <greensnark> The pentagram is fading a bit into the background though
14:18:29 <greensnark> Apart from that it looks great
14:19:08 <purge> Alright, i'll try to fix that and continue
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14:33:44 <Moriasc> Nice banner, but it needs more skulls, skulls and SKULLZ.
14:33:58 <Moriasc> Nawww, actually I quite admire the effort.
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14:36:19 <greensnark> Moriasc: Can you draw stuff too? :)
14:36:28 <greensnark> Undying glory awaits the banner artists
14:36:41 <greensnark> By which I mean credits mentions on the cao home page and tourney pages :P
14:37:31 <Moriasc> greensnark: I was just thinking about that. I grew up using Digital Paint and similar tools on the Amiga, but as it stands, I feel I have neither the software nor the expertise to lavish detail in the way that a committed artist might.
14:38:00 <greensnark> I still need a Jiyva banner
14:38:09 <greensnark> And some cleanup on the two unfinished banners due was working on
14:38:20 <greensnark> Aand it would be great to get rid of the 2009 on the older banners :P
14:38:22 <Moriasc> Indeed. And what's more enjoyable to paint than a slimy effect? =D
14:38:32 <greensnark> Yeah, a banner oozing slimy goop
14:38:43 <greensnark> Possibly scorching the "paper" around it
14:39:20 <greensnark> I can't draw stuff, though :P
14:39:37 <greensnark> I'm reduced to pouncing on unsuspecting purge and due
14:39:40 <greensnark> Miaow
14:39:46 <purge> greensnark: I did a different approach -- I made the pentagram made of the blood.. better or worse?
14:39:47 <purge> http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s210/purge83/KikuBanner-2.png
14:40:20 <Moriasc> Hmmm. Well, I do have rather a lot to get on with, but I might set up my software later if I feel inspired.
14:40:37 <Moriasc> Need to get back into pixel art since I plan on making a game sometime, and there're always the tiles...
14:41:07 <greensnark> purge: The blood effect is nice, but it still blends in with the background
14:41:26 <greensnark> The banner will be used at the smaller size, so it may not be clear
14:42:09 <greensnark> However, I think it's fine as a starting point. Want to slap some text on it so I can put it in the page? :)
14:42:20 <Moriasc> Kikibaaqudgha: God of Quake-style artwork and supergibs =D
14:42:29 <greensnark> Oh, before you do, I need a better name for the banner title
14:42:40 <purge> I was confused that the achievement was called "Demon Prince"... i thought kiku was necromancy
14:42:41 <greensnark> "Demon Prince" is lame and gendered, which is quite anti-Crawl-god
14:42:48 <greensnark> Yes
14:42:57 <greensnark> Although Kiku is described as a terrible demon god
14:43:05 <greensnark> And has reapers as retribution
14:43:20 <Moriasc> Ghoul prince. Death Prince. Doom Prince. Prince of Skulls.
14:43:24 <Moriasc> Oh, the gender issue, too...
14:43:28 <Moriasc> x)
14:43:38 <greensnark> Moriasc: Ixnay the "Prince", yeah :)
14:44:39 <greensnark> Anybody got ideas for the Kiku banner name?
14:44:47 <purge> Really the achievement description doesn't seem to have much to do with Kiku either, but its not supposed to be themed after the god?
14:45:07 <purge> I suppose it does loosely since he hates cute things
14:45:07 <purge> :D
14:45:08 <greensnark> purge: Well, loosely themed after the god :)
14:45:32 <Moriasc> Sovereign of Skulls!
14:45:32 <purge> damn, too bad I don't know how to draw a bunny head on a pike like the ending of doom
14:45:33 <purge> :D
14:46:21 <purge> Moriasc: thats a great title but now my banner doesn't seem right :/
14:46:22 <greensnark> Mm, Sovereign of Skulls is nice
14:46:39 <purge> Its a makhleb banner :|
14:46:47 <Moriasc> purge: Ok, I'll keep trying :3
14:48:38 <Moriasc> Where can I see the the other 2010 banners and titles, btw?
14:48:48 <greensnark> purge: ##crawl suggests Kiku invoc titles "Dark Sun" or "Lord of Darkness"
14:48:49 <Moriasc> Sorry for noobness.
14:49:07 <greensnark> http://crawl.akrasiac.org/tourney10/
14:49:14 <greensnark> End of page
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14:49:35 <greensnark> It's ogaz in a ballgown
14:49:42 <Moriasc> Oh, thanks. This what was just linked, duh.
14:49:46 * ogaz twirls
14:49:47 <Moriasc> *was what was
14:49:58 * ogaz trips over his own feet and falls down
14:50:15 <Moriasc> FR: "Ghostbuster" titles changed to "Bustin' makes me feel good."
14:50:25 <greensnark> Has to fit in the banner :P
14:50:30 <Moriasc> Indeed.
14:50:33 <Moriasc> x)
14:51:05 <greensnark> ogaz: Do you have awesome suggestions for the Kiku banner title
14:51:14 <greensnark> When you're done with twirling
14:51:26 <purge> http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s210/purge83/?action=view&current=KikuBanner-3.png
14:51:32 <purge> lightened up the bg
14:51:49 <greensnark> purge: Hot damn, that's awesome <3
14:52:08 <purge> thanks :D
14:52:39 <purge> Now to think up a title ^^;
14:52:57 <purge> ah
14:53:14 <greensnark> Dreadscourge :P
14:53:15 <purge> reading backlog, I like both the ##crawl suggestions
14:53:52 <greensnark> Cool, pick the one you like :)
14:53:53 <purge> Except the banner doesn't really express "Dark Sun" so how about Lord of Darkness?
14:53:57 <purge> ok
14:55:46 <ogaz> greensnark: on a totally unrelated note, the beogh banner doesn't seem to have been awarded at all last year
14:56:02 <greensnark> ogaz: On a per-player basis, yeah
14:56:05 <greensnark> It's on my todo
14:56:06 <Ashenzari> Unseen submerged monsters stop autoexplore (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2042) by Nobody
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15:06:01 <greensnark> purge: When you're doing the text, a font close the existing banners would be nice
15:06:12 <greensnark> *close to the existing banners
15:07:28 <by> from my OgFi slime experience, the current wall threat is certainly manageable
15:07:58 <by> just three equipment slots, no haste, no unlimited digging, no particular problems
15:08:28 <by> the only problem at the moment is that the dig spell is too cheap
15:08:49 <doy> dig being a spell in general is pretty weird
15:09:21 <by> I'd be happy to remove it, except it's a nice perk for earth elementalists
15:09:46 <doy> right, that's the main thing, earth elementalists need some interesting spells
15:09:55 <doy> they already do have passwall, lrd, and shatter though
15:09:56 <doy> so
15:10:14 <doy> not sure exactly how much of a perk it is exactly
15:10:24 <by> it's useful for setting up passwall
15:10:39 <by> also digging corridors before fights can work well
15:12:04 <purge> greensnark: oh lol i was just browsing through all the fonts trying to find a good one :) thanks for telling me
15:12:49 <greensnark> Glad I caught you in time :)
15:13:06 <greensnark> I think the main banner text can be in a different font if it looks good
15:13:23 <purge> You mean the title?
15:13:26 <greensnark> Yes
15:13:35 <greensnark> There's some fine print below saying DCSS tournament, I think
15:13:38 <purge> Due never figured out what font they used though right?
15:13:59 <greensnark> Right
15:14:19 <greensnark> Looks a bit like Helvetica
15:14:41 <greensnark> The fine print font is in the repo, but the main banner font looks like a mainstream font
15:15:11 <by> the easiest way to discourage extensive digging would be to make digging slime wall cause acid damage, but that feels heavy-handed and hard to rationalize
15:16:00 <greensnark> by: Making Slimy walls ooze back in around damage sounded fine
15:16:31 <greensnark> Although the chance of trapping stuff is a bit of a pain
15:19:09 <doy> allow jellies to move through recently re-closed-off slime walls?
15:20:02 <greensnark> There's also the player :)
15:20:08 <greensnark> What if the player gets traped :)
15:20:14 <JamezQ1> just damage
15:20:26 <JamezQ1> oh, maybe it is like being in a net
15:20:36 <JamezQ1> you have to slide out of break free
15:21:15 <doy> if the player gets trapped, they'll die from slime damage soon enough anyway
15:21:17 <Moriasc> We had a fun talk about this yesterday. I suggested slime walls that blob back and forth like Shoal's tides, and corridors that constrict rather than corrode.
15:22:07 <Moriasc> Somebody awesome suggested walls like silly putty that you could move through, but slowly. x)
15:25:21 <by> greensnark: problem with the growing walls is that it also makes it harder for fighters without spells
15:25:38 <by> it needs to remain possible to dig your way from bubble to bubble
15:25:50 <by> or the layout would have to be adapted
15:26:25 <doy> sure, just make it take like 100 turns or so before things start oozing back
15:27:39 <by> then you get players digging three-wide again
15:27:49 <doy> and?
15:28:41 <greensnark> Why did we add acid wall damage again? To prevent cheesing the royal jelly, right?
15:28:51 <greensnark> Or were there other reasons?
15:29:02 <doy> it makes slime more interesting
15:29:08 <by> yes
15:29:08 <syllogism> i suppose to differentiate the branch further
15:29:21 <by> in my experience, it does that well
15:29:38 <by> except it drives some people to tedious play
15:30:04 <syllogism> could get rid of the corrosion effect
15:30:08 <syllogism> so it only does damage
15:31:00 <Moriasc> Anyone want to experiment with a patch for wacky new slime ideas?
15:31:08 <by> do you think that would make much of a difference?
15:31:42 <Moriasc> Well, it'd be fun.
15:31:43 <syllogism> I think that's the aspect players tend to find most annoying
15:31:46 <ogaz> greensnark: stone walls seem like a much more elegant solution to prevent royal jelly cheesing to me
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15:35:50 <by> I think it's good if you can expect your gear to get corroded in slime
15:37:53 <doy> agreed
15:38:47 <KiloByte> you just never bring non-randart gear there
15:39:17 <by> that's fine, means a suboptimal set of resistances and lower AC
15:39:20 <KiloByte> this was true before, but now armour will poof nearly instantly
15:39:22 <KiloByte> yeah
15:39:29 <KiloByte> no boots of running, for one
15:39:51 <KiloByte> and no preservation :p
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15:43:26 <by> or you're willing to invest a few scrolls of enchant armour
15:43:58 <by> it would also be nice if memorizing Dig wasn't free for late-game spell casters
15:44:42 <KiloByte> it's not trivial to cast unless you have quite a few levels in Earth
15:45:09 <KiloByte> fire conjurers usually do, but most others, not really
15:46:27 <felirx> with 27spc, good int and a wizardry item, it should be more than castable
15:46:46 <KiloByte> but indeed, conjurers are exactly the character type for whom Slime is easy already
15:48:10 <Moriasc> Idea: When you dig through slime walls, the walls turn into living, free-roaming slimes themselves!
15:48:16 <KiloByte> felirx: if you have 27 spc, you have exped long enough that several levels in any schools take your loose change exp
15:48:38 <felirx> or you're an elf :)
15:50:12 <purge> Greensnark: http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s210/purge83/?action=view&current=KikuBanner-4.png
15:50:35 <greensnark> purge: That's unspeakably awesome :)
15:50:38 <KiloByte> currently, slime bubbles require either cTele+mmap or copious amount of digging
15:50:46 <purge> Glad you liked it, I definately put alot of effort into it :)
15:50:55 <greensnark> purge: I'll add it to the page now
15:50:58 <purge> Insane trial and error
15:50:58 <KiloByte> that, and exploring many parts greatly benefits from digging as well
15:51:06 <KiloByte> that's the main problem, I think
15:51:26 <doy> you don't have to explore all of slime
15:51:30 <felirx> and it's very hard to dig a path 3 wide long enough
15:51:37 <felirx> unless yuo take the occasional corrosion
15:51:46 <felirx> or tedious to be exact
15:52:07 <greensnark> purge: Can you crop it to 276x101
15:52:23 <KiloByte> instead of "digging is semi-mandatory, and some have an easy time doing that", it may be better to make existing corridors wider
15:53:05 <purge> oh yes
15:53:08 <purge> i forgot
15:55:16 <by> we could make dug slime create mutagenous clouds
15:56:01 <purge> greensnark: http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s210/purge83/?action=view&current=KikuBanner-5.png
15:58:11 <Moriasc> by: That's the kind of idea I like to see. Now you're thinking!
15:58:54 <by> Moriasc: this would be in addition to the wall corrosion, obviously
15:58:57 <Moriasc> Or even...
15:59:10 <Moriasc> Idea: Add the slimy floor tiles, so that dug slime becomes a goopy, difficult-to-navigate mess.
15:59:14 <Moriasc> hehe.
15:59:34 <by> I take it ##crawl supports mutagenic fog for extensive slime digging?
15:59:37 <greensnark> purge: Awesome, thanks, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/tourney10/ updated
15:59:48 <ogaz> the slime you're describing just sounds unfun
16:00:00 <Moriasc> Yes, they do.
16:00:07 <Moriasc> Haven't asked them, but I know those folks.
16:00:40 <greensnark> purge: Could you remove the '2010' from the banner? :)
16:00:49 <greensnark> So we can use it next year without having to edit the image
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16:05:04 <purge> greensnark: sure
16:05:28 <KiloByte> for Fedhas, we really should add durians
16:05:43 <KiloByte> eating one wakes up the whole level save for mummies and zombies :p
16:06:30 <KiloByte> WTF... one of main species is named "Durio testudinarum"
16:09:00 <Moriasc> Riveting, KiloByte.
16:09:32 <purge> greensnark: Do you want "DCSS Tournament" centered or just the 2010 removed so 2011 can be added next year?
16:10:04 <greensnark> Just 2010 removed; centering "DCSS Tournament" will break alignment with the other banners
16:10:09 <purge> greensnark: or I could just give you the gimp file
16:10:21 <purge> ok, 1 sec
16:11:20 <greensnark> I'd like to have the gimp file too; I can commit it to the repo so it won't get lost
16:13:13 <OG17> you wanted a nongendered flag, so you went with "lord?"
16:13:21 <OG17> I mean, strictly speaking, it works, but it's not exactly the norm
16:13:30 <greensnark> OG17: Yes, I know
16:13:33 <greensnark> I got impatient
16:15:32 <purge> greensnark: http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s210/purge83/?action=view&current=KikuBannerNoDate.png
16:15:33 <purge> and....
16:15:50 <greensnark> Yay, thanks
16:19:00 <purge> XCF file -- http://www.sendspace.com/file/tecpqy
16:21:56 <greensnark> purge: Great thanks :)
16:22:06 <greensnark> purge: You game for another few banners? :)
16:22:21 <by> it shouldn't be safe for my friend spectral Saint Roka to stay down on Vaults:8 for a bit
16:22:31 <by> it appears to be safe however
16:22:54 <purge> greensnark: when is the dead line?
16:23:01 <greensnark> purge: No hard deadline
16:23:12 <greensnark> But once we get the banners I can coax rax into making announcements
16:23:36 <purge> Alright. Which one should I do next?
16:23:46 <greensnark> Royal Jelly banner? :)
16:24:23 <purge> Ok i'll take it
16:24:41 <greensnark> I owe you much beer :)
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16:44:14 <Moriasc> I feel like I'm a real knight, preparing for tournament in the castle grounds.
16:44:23 <Moriasc> Banners are being hoisted, great speeches are about to be made.
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17:09:29 <syllogism> Mu_: still some time to make sprint 3 more difficult :P
17:10:41 <Mu_> which bits need making more difficult
17:11:21 <syllogism> honestly no idea, it's hard to balance it based on a few games
17:11:38 <syllogism> though it's worrying that one SA guy won so quickly :P
17:11:58 <Mu_> joey isn't as shit as most of the people on SA
17:12:07 <Mu_> he won again with a DEFE btw :p
17:12:11 <syllogism> ew
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17:15:11 <syllogism> maybe the old lernaean hydra + giant eyeball behind a door trick
17:15:51 <by> giant eyeballs and roka
17:16:12 <by> does the map have mara yet?
17:16:19 <Mu_> yep
17:16:26 <by> :)
17:16:41 <Mu_> he's accompanied by two vampire knights to give Mislead something to do
17:16:55 <syllogism> should just have a statue hp:300 spells:illusion  somewhere
17:17:05 <syllogism> vampire knights are nice
17:18:03 <Mu_> i don't like making things unreasonably difficult :p
17:18:26 <syllogism> a while ago you were considering putting 8 pan lords in hell :P
17:18:35 <greensnark> Only 8? :P
17:18:46 <syllogism> there are only 8 :P
17:18:49 <greensnark> I think Mu_'s been playing his own map too much
17:18:52 <syllogism> well not pan lords, demon lords
17:18:54 <greensnark> Mu_: Don't do it
17:18:59 <Mu_> ye but i didn't :p
17:22:12 <greensnark> No, I meant don't play your own map too much :P
17:22:21 <greensnark> By all means add as many & as you want
17:22:56 <Mu_> i've hardly played it i've relied on my network of testers :p
17:23:14 <syllogism> there definitely can't be too many &s
17:23:18 <syllogism> and I've played your map :P
17:23:52 <Mu_> what about a murray-style trigger that spawns two pan lords in zot's zot room when you grab the orb
17:24:53 <purge> greensnark: should the title be "Royal Jelly" or "The Royal Jelly"?
17:25:07 <greensnark> purge: Just "Royal Jelly" sounds good
17:25:12 <syllogism> will the royal jelly get a crown
17:25:18 <purge> ok, its inconsistent with the others though
17:25:23 <greensnark> purge: syllogism would like a crown :)
17:25:33 <purge> er, or rather a couple others
17:25:33 <purge> :)
17:25:45 <purge> too late i am already done with the ribbon design :(
17:26:16 <Mu_> jelly royale
17:26:23 <greensnark> Jellino Royale
17:31:33 <purge> lol
17:31:40 <purge> i crashed :(
17:32:38 <greensnark> Crashed?
17:33:08 <purge> gimp...
17:33:17 <purge> it says its still running but can't click anything...
17:33:38 <purge> didn't save my work :/ I hope it autosaves
17:34:03 <greensnark> Sounds dangerous :(
17:35:04 <purge> ahhh looks like i lost everything oh well
17:35:06 <purge> grrr
17:35:51 <by> so syllogism can have a crown?
17:35:56 <purge> lol
17:36:23 <purge> i google "gimp autosave" i see "feature request: autosave"....
17:36:29 <greensnark> :)
17:39:20 <purge> tbh I don't think i can draw/design a crown larger than 32x32 and I was planning to use the royal jelly tiles tile for the image
17:40:28 <greensnark> purge: Go with what you like :)
17:41:36 <syllogism> did the royal jelly get a new tile recently? Didn't it used to look like the food
17:42:00 <Ashenzari> Tiles window is oddly placed (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2043) by Timbermaw
17:42:09 <purge> It was in .6 afaik
17:53:15 <KiloByte> actually, I wonder if there is a point in using pcre if the libc already supports them
17:53:59 <doy> libc supports pcre?
17:54:28 <KiloByte> glibc supports posix regular expression, msvc libc AFAIK doesn't
17:54:35 <greensnark> Don't use pcre on Unix
17:54:41 <greensnark> Unless asked for
17:55:32 <KiloByte> with the standard interface, that is... win32 has its own, incompatible, API
17:55:34 <doy> isn't pcre perl-compatible regex, not posix?
17:55:43 <greensnark> Yes
17:56:27 <doy> i don't think we want to expose posix regexes to end users
17:56:35 <greensnark> Why's that?
17:56:44 <doy> they're quite a bit uglier
17:56:52 <greensnark> True, but we've been using that all this time
17:56:58 <doy> although maybe the useful subset for this usecase is basically the same
17:57:00 <greensnark> And changing now might break stuff they're using
18:00:43 <KiloByte> I checked, win32 doesn't have any regex support, only .NET has
18:01:40 <KiloByte> I have a commit to use system libpcre if available ready, but you're right, I'll skip it
18:02:10 <KiloByte> and drop the dependency on libpcre3 from the Debian packaging
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18:08:05 <due> greensnark: Sorry, life just went "WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you are busy now".
18:08:06 <Henzell> due: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
18:08:16 <due> !messages
18:08:17 <Henzell> (1/2) Mu_ said (4d 23h 30s ago): Mennas has no description in game??
18:08:19 <due> !messages
18:08:20 <Henzell> (1/1) greensnark said (6h 14m 13s ago): Any progress on banners? Could use them Real Soon Now.
18:08:22 <greensnark> due: No problem, I shanghaied purge :)
18:08:35 <due> Oh, good :)
18:09:00 <due> Sorry about that, I had all thisfree time to dedicate to them and then... nothing.
18:09:15 <greensnark> If you have the .xcf files for the two banners you did, can you send them to me?
18:09:22 <greensnark> I can commit them and purge can fix up the font
18:09:36 <greensnark> I think the font in Onia's banners is Helvetica, btw
18:09:48 <due> Ah, is it?
18:09:56 <greensnark> Just guessing, it looks Helvetica-ish
18:09:58 <due> I've got the XCF for the Hare here
18:10:04 <due> Will send
18:10:22 <greensnark> I wouldn't complain if you changed the font to Helvetica before you send it in :P
18:10:39 <due> I don't have Helvetica installed :o
18:10:51 <greensnark> Hm, could use Arial instead
18:10:53 <due> Not sure what Helvetica-lookalikesI have
18:11:03 <due> No Arial either. What is wrong with me?
18:11:14 <greensnark> If you're on a Debian-like you can install msttcorefonts
18:11:30 <greensnark> I think that's the package name
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18:12:19 <due> It is! You genius.
18:13:12 <due> I've sent the xcf regardless, will tweak fonts shortly
18:13:19 <greensnark> Thanks
18:13:48 <greensnark> Did you see purge's Kiku banner?
18:13:52 <due> No!
18:14:15 <greensnark> http://crawl.akrasiac.org/tourney10/images/lordofdarkness.png
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18:14:53 <greensnark> purge: You were naughty and trimmed the right edge of the ribbon :)
18:14:56 <due> Oh, nice!
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18:27:14 <Mu_> god of toasted cheese
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19:16:46 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte * r286024572c83 10/crawl-ref/source/ (los.cc wiz-you.cc): Unbreak non-wizard builds.
19:16:54 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * rddbe14dbc7b8 10/crawl-ref/ (36 files in 8 dirs): Merge commit '0.7.0-rc3' into debian
19:16:55 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * ra977367b8f09 10/crawl-ref/source/ (files.cc files.h hiscores.cc initfile.cc makefile options.h): Allow installations with secure saves share their scores and bones.
19:16:57 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * r488195a2f396 10/crawl-ref/debian/ (crawl-common.postinst crawl-common.postrm rules): Use private save dirs.
19:16:59 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07debian * rf7a349b80c62 10/crawl-ref/debian/changelog: Release 0.7.0-rc3
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