00:04:45 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:47:35 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:54 -!- Siber2 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:00 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:23 [console]Color rock walls and unnaturally hard rock walls different colors (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1938) by ogaz 01:55:55 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:25 Brocken tile icon for raised zombie (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1939) by serg271 02:10:38 Enne: does latest windows trunk have all tiles commits? 02:19:47 Enne, greensnark: I put the _osx name-part to the end of the zip-filename, otherwise it will not be listed in the archive-page automatically. 02:31:50 Napkin: Ok, will do 02:31:57 ortoslon: Yes 02:32:10 :) 02:32:12 moin! 02:32:13 Napkin: I didn't know they'd be autolisted :) 02:32:29 -!- ogaz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32:41 haxy python script from due <3 02:38:00 Napkin: Soo... fixing the links in the blog post? :) 02:38:18 hehe, i was afraid of that :D 02:38:23 on my way 02:38:48 Where do I find the links? 02:39:14 trunk/ and trunk/archive.html don't mention it 02:39:38 in the windows development builds page there is the yellow box with the bottom text "LOTS of commits since first stable version. Old versions can be found here." 02:39:49 "here" is the link to http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/archive.html 02:40:13 Ohh, ok, I see it in the list of Windows binaries :) 02:40:18 hehe, yeah 02:40:18 I didn't think to look in there :) 02:40:31 Can we separate them 02:40:41 hmmmhmmmmm... 02:40:51 :) 02:41:01 generally, removing "windows" from those pages would be cool 02:41:11 let me check 02:41:22 Or can we create a new section in the main trunk page 02:41:25 heeey 02:41:28 it's not *that* haxy 02:41:38 I can set a cron job to run nightly and upload the Mac binaries to CDO 02:41:55 Until the next time the Xcode project breaks, anyway :P 02:41:56 this is one identifier: ("non-tiles-0.7a1", "crawl-0.7.0-a1") 02:42:35 Can't you cross-compile on thingy? 02:42:35 it matches all files starting with "crawl-0.7.0-a1" and then puts it in the right category 02:43:39 It's theoretically possible to cross-compile Mac stuff, but not in any way that doesn't violate Apple's licenses :P 02:44:03 * Napkin whispers... bastards! 02:47:40 inventory doesn't mark known-unbranded runed missiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1940) by KiloByte 02:47:52 ok, the word "windows" is removed 02:49:41 i'll rename the osx binaries again then, greensnark 02:49:46 back to what you used 02:49:58 Ok 02:51:28 Enne, Poor_Yurik: now i like new dungeon tiles just as much as old ones but lit torches on walls distract me too much 02:51:29 I feel like making a Sprint map. 02:51:57 maybe i'll get used to them too 02:52:51 You will. 02:53:35 haha yeah no choice here 02:55:34 Soon reality will be a pale shadow of the dungeon 02:56:37 Actually, tiles looks so nice now that I would consider playing it 02:56:47 I wonder if you could cross-compile tiles for Android. 02:56:48 NO 02:56:53 ARGH NO. Get ou of my head, evil ideas. 02:57:19 ok, OSX has its own category in the archive page now - but I can't make it show up on the main page, greensnark 02:57:25 I would need due's help for that 02:57:41 but let's keep it like this for now? 02:57:46 http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/index.html 02:57:51 http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/archive.html 02:58:35 let me zoom in 02:58:39 Do you want i ton the main page? 02:58:43 Won't take a minute 02:58:49 Only issue is that Mac users won't find it, because the archive page is quite obscure 02:58:50 hehehe 02:59:01 Nobody finds the 0.8 binaries either unless I point them at it 02:59:03 Napkin: running in screen if you want to watch 02:59:12 Yay due 02:59:15 gogogo :) 02:59:22 someone just woke up :) bbl :) 02:59:47 Is it trunk tiles and trunk nontiles? 02:59:59 Ah, yep. 03:00:14 !coffee Napkin 03:00:15 * Henzell hands Napkin a mug of black coffee, brewed by the Serpent of Hell. 03:00:44 I added 2 identifiers on 3rd and 4th place, due 03:00:48 thanks, greensnark :D 03:01:14 I need to go buy groceries and whisky :P 03:01:25 I have been saddled with Saturday chores :( 03:02:07 !coffee greensnark 03:02:08 * Henzell hands greensnark a cup of black coffee, brewed by the Serpent of Hell. 03:02:14 Hey, I want a mug 03:02:16 haha, payback :D 03:02:33 The Serpent brews some fine coffee 03:02:41 Fiery bite, wakes you up in no time 03:03:06 And you can usually stop screaming within five minutes of finishing the cup 03:05:52 ay, done 03:05:58 *Okay, done 03:06:08 * due so hot right now. 03:06:52 Should put a

between the Mac and Windows ones, but oh well. 03:07:00 Woo due 03:08:19 * due awesome 03:18:44 nice :)) 03:20:23 "Regular Windows Build" -> "Windows Regular Build" - done 03:24:51

added too 03:24:59 thank you, due :) 03:25:18 so, the MacOSX identifiers always need to be the 3rd and 4th, due? 03:25:51 greensnark: maybe "daily" is a bit much? how about every second day? :) 03:27:01 no 03:27:05 order shouldn't matter 03:27:48 oh? how does it figure out which is the windows build to show and which is the macosx build to show? 03:27:57 it sorts them by date :) 03:28:34 people use

now? 03:29:08 and how do you make sure the 0.7 build is shown instead of the trunk build? 03:30:02 sorear: people use fake xhtml since years! 03:30:11 default_nontile_signifier & nontiles_osx_signifier - nevermind, due :) 03:30:21 found it :) 03:31:34 i used "look for what has been used previously and use it again" fake knowledge of x/html :-P 03:32:10 What about
03:32:19 that too, yes :D 03:33:09 nice comment from 69.250.105.237: "you fucking retards" in "on the way towards 0.7" 03:34:27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:69.250.105.237 03:36:44 lol 03:37:42 not really constructive criticism 03:42:43 greensnark, i'll adjust your post, ok? 03:50:22 oops 03:50:23 greensnark? 03:52:31 He is dead. 03:52:32 * due mourns. 03:53:02 anyone still got this file? http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/crawl_tiles_osx-0.6.0-rc3.zip 03:53:09 stupid me deleted it 03:54:03 no :/ 03:57:01 sorear might. 03:57:27 i think greensnark created it - he might have it saved somewhere 03:57:42 sorear? would you happen to still have that file? 04:00:06 I have never downloaded an OSX binary package for Crawl 04:07:45 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:11:28 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/mac-osx-builds-on-a-regular-basis 04:14:00 Napkin: Merci 04:14:14 greensnark :) 04:14:17 I don't have the rc3 any more, but we can rebuild it if it's important 04:14:39 nah, I will just link the current 0.6 release to it ;) 04:16:49 greensnark: vmware osx was very slow unfortunately and compile failed for some reason anyway :P 04:16:49 syllogism: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 04:16:50 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-6-rc3-mac-tiles-build - cheated ;) 04:17:26 No worries, I'll set up a cron to build Mac binaries regularly 04:17:36 Until the next time the Xcode project breaks, anyway 04:17:37 great :) 04:17:58 We should really fix the makefiles, but bundling all those frameworks and creating .apps is a pain 04:18:17 Silly Xcode project doesn't even do dependency checks right 04:18:37 If I don't git clean -dfx I get garbage errors :P 04:20:10 Is there any kind of tutorial on making a sprint map? 04:20:29 purge_: Basically you start by kidnapping Mu or due 04:20:33 Preferably both 04:20:38 :( 04:22:27 lol 04:22:56 greensnark: is it possible for a total newbie to even do it without a crapload of effort? I mean i thought i read you can just make them in notepad via dpeg 04:23:06 lol 04:23:13 like drawing out the map like a vault 04:23:24 ure 04:23:25 *sure 04:23:27 You can do a basic Sprint map pretty easily 04:23:32 I don't need any "special effects" 04:23:34 maybe you could convince someone to put instructions in the wiki 04:23:39 The first sprint.des was pretty simple 04:24:08 I'd suggest a better editor than Notepad though 04:24:17 Ok, is there a key/legend to what symbols mean what somewhere? 04:24:22 yes 04:24:29 docs/devel/level/design/syntax.txt 04:24:31 If you install Vim Cream, it'll behave like a normal Windows editor and you can also get .des syntax highlighting, which is nice 04:24:35 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:24:40 Vim Cream? 04:24:46 uuuh 04:24:55 Yeah, Cream is a Windows-user-friendly installer for Vim 04:25:05 Ahh. 04:25:09 By default it sets up gvim to be always-in-insert mode 04:25:10 Why not install gvim? 04:25:14 ahh. gross. 04:25:29 Yes, but an easy way to get people used to Vim :P 04:25:29 always-in-insert just doesn't work, to be honest, because block mode is part of the awesome ness 04:25:45 Yeah, insert mode is the weakest mode for vim :) 04:25:54 Still! No learning curve 04:26:13 I got a manager at my old job to use it 04:26:17 I think I'm going to do a mini-sprint. 04:26:27 I couldn't stop him using the mouse to click the save button to save though 04:26:34 I have ^S mapped for save :) 04:27:19 Basically my goal for a sprint map would be to create one feeling more like a normal game in terms of monsters and transitions and loot without all the insta death 04:27:37 just something you could play really fast since regular games take so long :P 04:27:37 Insta death is the fun part. 04:27:52 and you could get the cool spells/abilities nice and quick ;) 04:28:02 so basically it would be a 5min map you'd play once? 04:28:20 no i would hope i could insert some randomness into encounters/loot 04:29:03 I would like it to be winnable even if you have only played it a couple times as well 04:29:14 the new map pretty much is 04:29:17 if you know dungeon crawl that is 04:29:35 syllogism: I die a lot to it, myself :) 04:29:45 i dunno i played about 20 games and i still haven't gotten anywhere :/ given the only classes i am playing are fighter and paladin 04:29:59 play a berserker and win on your first try 04:30:01 so i know those are much more difficulty than say a berserker 04:30:23 yeah but i hate that i cant play my classes :( 04:30:27 that i enjoy 04:30:32 sprint is meant to be played with spellcasters though :P 04:30:54 With airstrike you mean :P 04:31:04 I did the other map without airstrike :P 04:31:16 that's all passwall :P 04:31:20 Pretty much the only thing you did on the new one was airstrike though :P 04:31:24 syllogism: I noticed. I always had like 5+ magic potions after the initial loot rooms 04:32:12 So is Mu calling the new one Sprint III: "Don't use Passwall"? :P 04:32:39 Or did he break down and make everything permarock? :) 04:33:53 I'm not sure 04:34:28 I doubt he will, passwall doesn't really break it much 04:34:46 plus during the tourney you'll be flying blind :P 04:35:05 Can't look at the des, you mean? 04:35:10 yes 04:35:13 Isn't there magic mapping 04:35:22 And trial and error 04:35:23 I suppose 04:35:48 someone will probably win it within the first 30 minute sthough 04:35:57 Possibly 04:36:02 Especially if you play ?P 04:36:06 ?P 04:36:08 Oh. 04:36:13 I can't :P 04:36:16 I'm not sure if the tournament is going to be on schedule 04:36:26 I can't run it solo and rax seems to be busy 04:36:50 anything I can do to help, greensnark? 04:37:26 Napkin: It's primarily defining the rules, handling all the announcements and stuff and having someone else around to keep an eye on cao if it falls over 04:37:40 arg, i see 04:38:05 I'm hoping you'll be free to run cdo as usual :) 04:39:21 work is more than quiet at the moment :) 04:39:43 just copy the rules from last year 04:39:55 casmith789: That'll make things easier, definitely 04:40:14 But I still need rax to do the announcements and keep cao going 04:40:23 cao does tend to fall over in the first few days of tourney :) 04:40:49 And July/Aug is not great for me in terms of free time 04:41:03 "fall over"? 04:41:22 Yeah, we usually run into some bugs or weirdness with tourney load on a new release 04:41:40 Tourney load = 3x normal active players 04:41:54 There were in excess of 70 active players on first day of 2009 tourney on cao 04:42:01 When the average before that was around 20 max 04:42:05 CAO always dies during tourney 04:42:11 oh :( 04:42:17 Usually on day 3 04:42:23 something like... "oh hey, nobody can die" 04:42:41 Usually crawl bugs :P 04:44:41 of course 04:44:52 It's an excellent time for bugtesting. 04:47:14 --- 04:47:16 Date Hash Version Players in Games 04:47:16 ******************************************************************* 04:47:16 9. Jul 19:16 513db9f 27.4 18 in trunk, 2 in sprint 04:47:18 9. Jul 12:45 a19345c 27.4 2 in trunk, 1 in sprint 04:47:21 9. Jul 07:04 233f956 27.4 1 in trunk, 0 in sprint 04:47:22 due: seems to crash reliably over here when I disintegrate the door 04:47:23 --- 04:47:51 (debug build) 04:47:53 Napkin: copy the saves and dump them! 04:47:56 Napkin: what is that? 04:48:09 casmith789: Crawl versions installed on cdo 04:48:31 with -v you'll get old behavior 04:48:38 so 233f956 isn't very popular? :p 04:48:38 Date Hash Version Amount Players 04:48:38 ******************************************************** 04:48:38 9. Jul 19:16 513db9f 27.4 21 Arcturus Baraton Cruella Cryptic Disco Fangorn KiloByte Kyrris Surr TGW barnex bookofjude capslocke chukamok daftfad evktalo fibrinoid larasium noom Kal(s) Pseudonut(s) 04:48:49 Ah, ok 04:48:52 Nice 04:48:56 casmith789 - it's rather that people didn't have time to play it ;) 04:49:04 casmith789: Nobody can start new games on older versions 04:49:14 yeah 04:49:56 anyway come on crawl devteam, I want an awesome tourney 04:50:10 it has to be better organised than dev/null at least 04:50:15 syllogism: build info? 04:50:25 Last year's was a lot of fun 04:50:39 0.8.0-a0-177-g6ca78d4 and just a standard win32 build 04:52:03 syllogism: ah 04:52:32 No crash file, bugger fuck. 04:53:19 win32 builds never have crash files 04:53:22 It would be pretty easy to do crash dumps if we built with MSVC 04:53:24 unix builds don't need them 04:53:35 Or if we could link with GPLed code 04:53:46 In which case there's a MinGW thang that can walk the stack 04:53:58 We're not allowed to link GPL. 04:54:03 (yet) 04:54:12 A time will come, and then! 04:54:20 We will break free of the absurd Crawl license :P 04:54:42 Can we relicense all future changes under the GPL? 04:54:44 \o/ 04:54:53 Yeah, but I don't want to start the license madness now 04:55:00 Okay, after toueny then. 04:55:01 dpeg and I have agreed to take it up in September 04:55:26 Excellent! 04:55:32 I'm starting to like this map. 04:56:15 http://pastebin.ca/1897781 04:56:50 No idea where I'm going to put the orb yet. 04:57:50 due: RANDOMLY 04:58:07 Or use multiple orbs 04:58:10 Well, yeah. 04:58:13 Just for the giggles 04:58:22 But I need possible places. 04:58:29 at the end of the level you'll find an abyss portal and it's generated there randomly instead of the rune 04:58:34 syllogism: <3. 04:58:44 and forbid other kinds of banishment 04:59:06 didn't cbus win with five orbs once? 04:59:39 Yeah, someone got careless in a map :P 04:59:56 What map was it? 05:00:02 Can't recall 05:00:15 some boxy map 05:00:24 not a very good lead, I'll admit :P 05:03:46 I'm assumign that's why you weren't allowed to place orbs until recently :0 05:04:24 greensnark: about sprint - is it reasonable at all for those chars to transfer their saves? 05:04:34 http://pastebin.ca/1897784 05:04:45 Napkin: Transferring saves should work if the directory structure is preserved? 05:04:47 Now I'm jjust indecisive about the middle part. 05:04:51 I don't understand the question 05:04:55 Am I safe to assume that major version will change if the map changes? 05:05:22 It doesn't matter if the map changes, once the game is saved, game doesn't care about changes to the .des files 05:05:32 Everything is in the save 05:05:37 ah, ok - so there should be no trouble, right? 05:05:44 Yes, should be fine 05:05:52 apart from the usual breakage, of course ;) 05:06:00 There's always that :P 05:06:19 very little complaints reach me lately, though :D 05:06:32 *very few 05:06:44 That's because I've been hunting down and eating the livers of anybody who complains 05:06:51 hahaha 05:07:02 you're becoming a fat guy, aren't you? ;> 05:07:18 share! 05:07:22 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:07:29 Supplies have been dwindling for some reason 05:07:36 excellent :) 05:08:21 Okay, I'm happy with this 05:08:45 Mu_: http://sprunge.us/eXPi thoughts/ 05:08:54 Hi Mu! 05:09:36 hail and well met 05:09:59 When last we met in days of yore, not so long your beard was 05:10:06 is it gonna be full of gloom clouds? :p 05:10:11 possibly 05:10:19 With Gloorx in the middle of the gloom 05:10:30 Okay 05:10:32 http://sprunge.us/GRAX 05:10:32 i put some gloom in my map, possible first ever use??? 05:10:35 greensnark: Basicallyy, yes. 05:10:36 Mu_: yes. 05:11:30 due: Will you remove the no-mirror things once you're done testing? 05:11:54 Also, FLAGS is obsolete, it's currently a synonym for TAGS 05:11:55 greensnark: yes 05:12:13 Woohoo 05:12:16 Now to build the subvaults 05:12:22 http://sprunge.us/ccGU 05:12:23 Vault looks nice, but it's small :( 05:13:01 Mu_: chapayev's sprint map is pretty easy so you definitely should attempt to make yours a bit more challenging 05:13:17 Mu_: Add Gloorx please :( 05:13:23 Gloorx feels lonesome 05:13:35 He just wants to be invited to a real party now and then 05:13:50 You could put him near the gloom :P 05:14:10 it's pretty annoying you can't give monster abjuration without giving it some summoning spell :/ 05:14:19 syllogism, did you try the version i just mailed out 05:14:25 no 05:15:33 trog brothers aren't abjurable, are they? :( 05:15:53 I think Trog shields them 05:16:01 is gloorx speed 200 yet or whatever 05:16:13 Mu_: No, would you like him to be? 05:16:32 So that any Che worshipper using slouch on him causes the damage number to overflow 05:16:43 Thus healing him and causing his health to overflow 05:16:47 not that they'll get the chance 05:16:55 blink and you are dead :P 05:18:10 make him phase shift, then give phase shift the additional property of time damage immunity :3 05:20:59 syllogism: they are abjurable 05:21:16 greensnark: It's called five minute crawl for a reason. 05:21:28 oh that's nice, but abjuration should be available as an independent monster spell 05:21:38 statue spells:abjuration 05:21:45 Monster spellcasting needs to be fixed in many ways 05:21:46 It is? 05:21:50 Oh no, it's not 05:21:52 It is though 05:21:57 Monster AI needs to be fixed in many ways in general 05:22:05 statue spells:summon_illusion 05:22:07 For monster spellcasting we should really get rid of that silly spell slot system 05:22:14 slots suck 05:22:33 Aye 05:22:47 If you put a spell in the wrong slot the monster either doesn't use it or does completely daft things with it 05:23:01 At one point aquamancers were trying to use icicle as a self-enchantment spell 05:23:01 butterfly spells:tomb_of_doroklohe 05:23:04 That worked very well 05:23:10 Mu_: you need to add some cool custom monsters with spells :P 05:23:37 there's the iron giant! 05:23:47 Is that *the* iron giant? 05:23:50 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:54 greensnark: *YES*. 05:23:58 <3 05:24:05 @??the iron giant 05:24:06 the iron giant (10C) | Speed: 10 | HD: 22 | Health: 220 | AC/EV: 18/2 | Damage: 60 | Flags: !sil | Res: 06magic(117), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 7793 | Sp: iron shot (3d37), iron elementals. 05:24:08 Can I see the tile for the iron giant 05:24:14 It doesn't exist yet :( 05:24:22 i also just stuck in a monster with silence 05:24:37 A hall with a row of statues that can use silence 05:24:40 Mu_: does it have the spellcaster flag 05:24:42 With Gloorx camped at the other end 05:24:51 nop 05:25:04 Mu_: oh good, then it will just keep spamming Silence :P 05:25:06 greensnark: "Hallof silence" 05:25:15 due: It's a library, essentially 05:25:19 With Gloorx as the librarian 05:25:43 Probably a little tetchy as a result of people trying to cast spells and disturbing the silence 05:25:47 syllogism i didn't even consider that :p is that good or bad 05:25:57 Mu_: It's good 05:26:28 It's good 05:26:33 I don't have space for it 05:27:03 Yes you do :( 05:27:08 WOOHOO CRASH 05:27:11 You were using like 1/4th the map area :P 05:27:31 It's supposed to be small! 05:27:38 Call it 5 minute Craaargh :P 05:27:46 speakin of spell slots i think jozef has his spells in a weird order 05:27:59 We really need the killer rabbit 05:28:17 It's shocking that we have killer klowns but not the much more puissant killer rabbit 05:29:25 I think if we call it the Killer Lagomorph of Caerbannog we can sneak it past dpeg 05:29:31 greensnark? what would you think of allowing "sprint/greensnark" as value for the -name parameter? 05:29:41 Mu_: you should add another hydra to lair 05:29:51 Napkin: How does that help? 05:29:56 syllogism lair is the next subvault i need to redo it's really bad 05:30:03 Napkin: I mean, how is it different from crawl -name greensnark -sprint 05:30:17 it would fit to the file system structure 05:30:23 26. Jun 19:05 2d8ba46 27.0 3 hash test1337 sprint/greensnark 05:30:27 Napkin: Any other advantage? :) 05:30:42 I could keep the script abstract 05:30:59