00:44:12 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:02:15 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:47 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:06:12 -!- whig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10:35 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 03:04:38 -!- ogaz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:10 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:39 -!- ogaz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:06:29 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:02 -!- ogaz_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:17 -!- ogaz has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:08:21 -!- ogaz_ is now known as ogaz 03:30:47 -!- sorear has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:17 -!- sorear has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:05 MarvinPA (L27 NaAr) (Abyss) 03:35:13 :/ 03:35:46 -!- ogaz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:35:52 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:20 Good morning! 03:36:20 dpeg: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 03:37:21 hey david 03:37:48 I'm thinking of making some Abyss rune vaults 03:37:51 I wonder if that's possible 03:38:06 A lich pack rune vault. 03:39:01 heh, I see you want to get some extra player scalps :p 03:40:13 due: yes, of course! The infrastructure is there, so content would be cool- 03:40:20 !messages 03:40:20 (1/2) Cryp71c said (11h 7m 26s ago): by the way, cloak of darkness is universally recognized for its uselessness...keep it but change its effect to a flat +stealth bonus? 03:40:25 !messages 03:40:25 (1/1) Cryp71c said (11h 6m 4s ago): nevermind, will mantis that idea for others' feedback. 03:43:12 Crash in the abyss (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1769) by MarvintheParanoidAndroid 03:45:30 greensnark: Oh snark which is green! 03:45:34 * due gets candles, bloodoffering. 03:45:40 Greensnark, greensnark, greensnark! 03:46:06 * KiloByte grills a testudine. 03:46:24 :o! 03:46:26 <3 03:46:26 Sacrilige! 03:46:34 Ooh, abyss turtles. 03:49:10 toenail turtles? 03:49:48 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:18 Toenail turtles <3. 03:57:15 moin guys 03:57:15 Napkin: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:57:19 !messages 03:57:19 (1/1) greensnark said (8h 9m 14s ago): Finally moved FooTV to the hetzner server <3 03:57:23 \o/ 03:58:34 Napkin: why is that good? 03:59:03 horse power put to good use ;) 03:59:34 :) 04:03:04 "trishula" or "holy trishula"? Note that in most cases (all in 0.7) it will be a "Blessed Trishula" anyway, and in all other cases it will be holy-wrath branded anyway. 04:03:37 trishula? 04:03:42 I prefer just "trishula", it's just somewhat inconsistent with holy scourge. 04:03:59 indic holy trident 04:04:57 oh nice 04:05:08 trishula is cool 04:06:22 actually, it's just holy scourge and "holy blade" that has that prefix, and they both are always holy wrath, too 04:06:41 "holy scourge of holy wrath" -- wooden forest of wood 04:06:53 trog gives too much sling bullets 04:06:58 * KiloByte hates that eudemon -> holy blade rename. 04:07:22 i carry only 30 +5 steel bullets (enough for me), trog seems to think i have too few 04:07:46 so what? 04:07:47 Napkin: so that's why the termcast watchers have moved to me. 04:07:47 drop them. 04:07:48 i have skill 18 in polearms, 14 in slings 04:08:00 but i want weapon gifts 04:08:13 ortoslon: it's the secret plot to curb missile use, the moment you get to 8 skill in Throwing/Slings/Bows/Xbows, you're fucked. 04:08:14 ammuniition gifts don't affect normal gift timeout' 04:08:32 Or at least I thought they didn't. 04:08:46 strange. last 20 trog gifts were bullet gifts 04:09:52 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:10:27 KiloByte: explain why? (The hate.) 04:10:39 Note that I have absolutely nothing to do with these names, just curious. 04:10:56 ortoslon: bottom line: permanent gifts == bad 04:11:02 haha 04:11:54 1. removal of theme, 2. redundancy 04:12:09 KiloByte: redundancy? 04:12:16 * due articulates ur krakn 04:12:19 "holy blade of holy wrath (holy)" 04:12:20 also on theme: you were familiar with the term "eudemon" before? 04:12:29 KiloByte: I see. 04:12:46 * due knew eudemon! 04:13:15 sorear? 04:13:16 Hey, we have some crawlers with a solid Christian education :) 04:13:17 yeah, it's more known term than "cacodemon", even if you include all the new games 04:13:43 well, it's not really christian, at least not the official thing 04:13:58 KiloByte: would you send a mail on the topic to c-r-d? Please be kind in your words... the kinder you express yourself, the easier it is for me to support you. 04:15:06 I just dislike that change, it's not something I hate with a passion. That's reserved for double/triple swords :p 04:15:28 If an accident happened to them and we'd have bastard swords and claymores, what would you say? 04:16:08 I'd say "urks". 04:16:13 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:29 triple swords are one of the original bits of Linley humor 04:16:40 I always thought that at least triple swords were whimsical, along the lines of eveningstars. 04:17:05 although it was diminished when somebody wrote a tiles interface and reversed canon, which previously called them non-euclidian objects 04:17:10 eveningstars are funny and don't insult sanity -- it's a realistic weapon 04:17:21 also, bastard swords are in D&D 04:17:34 bastard swords are in, you know, RL 04:17:41 * sorear misses MSL_EGGPLANT 04:17:48 bastard swords are real, no? 04:18:30 bastard swords should be dancing weapons which vanish upon being killed 04:18:35 due: yes 04:18:53 sorear, problem is, that root servers in the US are either hilariously weak or expensive. but could of course also be, that they switched to your termcast, because DNS update hasn't finished. 04:19:04 That reminds me: it's quite some time since I asked around for a good soul to make dancing weapons dance. 04:19:06 the typical 1.5-handed european style sword 04:19:29 * Napkin puts on his sarcasm shield * 04:35:50 dpeg: I changed druids to summon wolves and bears instead of mushrooms. This does break the tie with Fedhas, though. 04:36:41 turns out i play crawl much better when someone is watching me playing 04:39:44 KiloByte: yes, I liked this. 04:39:52 You could still do the occasional mushroom, though. 04:40:01 Druids with wolves and bears is a bit D&D, no? 04:40:17 Is this for Spriggans? 04:40:25 We could also assign some piety value to the druid, so that not every half bit Fedhasite can turn them over. 04:40:55 Okay 04:40:58 due: I don't think it's worse than the dwarf+axe trope. 04:40:59 dpeg: Can we do spriggan riders? 04:41:08 (Have you seen Yurik's tiles?) 04:41:16 due: who should ride on a spriggan? A rat? 04:41:23 not seen any tiles, no 04:41:24 Noo, the spriggans ride on fireflies. 04:41:28 Let me link. 04:41:29 due: definitely! That's the very next thing on my list. 04:41:32 Oh excellent 04:41:39 That tile makes me orgasm every time I see it 04:41:40 will link 04:41:47 Poor_Yurik: <3 04:41:50 http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4648729052_fde35e8cd4.jpg 04:41:54 thanks 04:41:58 not sure how that Yurik's thing can be a firefly, but hey. I don't use tiles anyway :p 04:42:01 I'm not quick enough 04:42:27 I see :) 04:42:37 I love the idea of flying spriggans, of course. 04:42:39 I go "eee eeee eee". 04:42:46 let's scrap remounting, though -- we would have to explain why player spriggans can't do that 04:42:46 Spriggans flying on giant bats! 04:42:50 Yeah. 04:42:52 yes 04:42:53 Dump remounting. 04:44:16 every time you hit a rider at <50% hp, there's a chance you'll get a corpse, some exp, and a coinflip() ? firefly : spriggan 04:44:34 * due nods. 04:44:43 We should get just raw fireflies tyoo. 04:45:12 if he's over lava/deep water, he's fucked 04:45:27 yes 04:45:33 grilled :) 04:46:04 fireflies :3 04:46:05 mmm delicious 04:46:07 fireflies <3. 04:46:12 lightred b? 04:46:21 not a? 04:46:24 hm 04:46:30 they're flying, though 04:46:33 always glowing 04:46:38 I suppose they're not batty 04:47:02 Maybe s? I'm not sure. 04:48:12 what's the general aim for the letters? 04:48:32 a = ants, s = insects... k = flying poisonous (bees, waspps) 04:49:03 cockroach is... s now, isn't it? 04:49:07 biology says they'd be B but s seems appropriate 04:49:09 We can re-sort the letters any time. 04:52:25 sure 04:52:35 They're not big enough for B, really 04:53:06 's' are all non-fliers, and mostly arachnids 04:53:13 Yeah. 04:53:24 Adding them to "a" would cause a bit of confusion... 04:53:37 'k'? 04:53:42 'k' works. 04:53:44 dpeg? 04:54:36 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:37 Hm, you can't specify a uniform but randomly chosen colour in overlays. 04:55:13 Ooh articulated tenticles. 04:55:14 *tentacles. 04:56:33 due: you could do COLOUR: c : blue / green / ... ? 04:56:53 Not exactly what I wanted... 04:56:54 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:56 is c used? 04:57:01 "c" is stone. 04:57:06 I'll just use Lua. 04:57:13 small c? 04:57:18 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:57:19 Oh, centaur. 04:57:22 And yaktaur.s 04:57:26 oh yeah 04:57:29 Sorry, we were talking about maps... 04:57:32 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 04:57:32 ok 04:57:33 03kilobyte * rf88330556d35 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Use a real druid, not a statue. No point in making them less unique. 04:57:34 03kilobyte * r10de466f6a43 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Sprigganize a vault, but only deep enough. 04:57:36 03kilobyte * r8ba4bc0a77af 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (item/weapon/trishula.png player/hand1/trishula.png): Tiles for trishula. 04:57:39 03kilobyte * r701d0f2b5121 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Allow blessing demon whips to trishulas. 04:57:59 ??trishula 04:57:59 I don't have a page labeled trishula in my learndb. 04:58:09 @??trishula 04:58:09 unknown monster: "trishula" 04:58:15 Demon whips? 04:58:17 you mean demon tridents? 04:58:27 oh, reading fail again 04:58:31 thought it was a monster 04:58:44 !learn add trishula A holy trident! Stats forthcoming. 04:58:44 trishula[1/1]: A holy trident! Stats forthcoming. 04:58:46 * KiloByte whips a trident. 04:58:56 * due tridents a whip. 04:59:33 devo-based gum commercial? 04:59:38 !learn edit demon_trident[1] s/$/. Blessable to trishula./ 04:59:39 demon trident[1/1]: A roses-sunshine-and-happy-bunnies weapon, molded by fire and brimstone. (Hand-and-a-half medium Polearm; Dam 14 Acc +1 Delay 13). Blessable to trishula. 05:00:39 !learn edit the_shining_one[5] s/Note.*ruined. // 05:00:39 the shining one[5/7]: A demon blade, however, will receive all of the enhancements that any other long blade would. Be sure not to be wielding anything when sacrificing cursed weapons. 05:01:50 !learn del the_shining_one[5] 05:01:51 Deleted the shining one[5/7]: A demon blade, however, will receive all of the enhancements that any other long blade would. Be sure not to be wielding anything when sacrificing cursed weapons. 05:02:20 !learn edit the_shining_one[4] s/Blade/Foo/ 05:02:20 the shining one[4/6]: The final ability TSO gives (at TSO******) is the opportunity to have your weapon blessed. Blessing a weapon replaces its brand with holy wrath, and {enchant weapon iii}s it. If the weapon is a long Foo, its base stats will be enhanced as well, and it will become a "Blessed Blade" (pre 0.6 it was unenchantable). (More on blessing in [5]). 05:02:33 !learn edit the_shining_one[4] s/ (More.*// 05:02:34 Unmatched ( in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/ ( <-- HERE More.*/ at commands/learn/edit.pl line 61, <> line 1. 05:02:39 !learn edit the_shining_one[4] s/ \(More.*// 05:02:39 the shining one[4/6]: The final ability TSO gives (at TSO******) is the opportunity to have your weapon blessed. Blessing a weapon replaces its brand with holy wrath, and {enchant weapon iii}s it. If the weapon is a long Foo, its base stats will be enhanced as well, and it will become a "Blessed Blade" (pre 0.6 it was unenchantable). 05:02:56 !learn edit the_shining_one[4] s/Blade/Foo/ 05:02:57 the shining one[4/6]: The final ability TSO gives (at TSO******) is the opportunity to have your weapon blessed. Blessing a weapon replaces its brand with holy wrath, and {enchant weapon iii}s it. If the weapon is a long Foo, its base stats will be enhanced as well, and it will become a "Blessed Foo" (pre 0.6 it was unenchantable). 05:03:12 blah ugly /i added behind our backs 05:03:18 :) 05:03:37 !learn edit the_shining_one[4] s/long Foo/long blade, a demon trident or whip/ 05:03:37 the shining one[4/6]: The final ability TSO gives (at TSO******) is the opportunity to have your weapon blessed. Blessing a weapon replaces its brand with holy wrath, and {enchant weapon iii}s it. If the weapon is a long blade, a demon trident or whip, its base stats will be enhanced as well, and it will become a "Blessed Foo" (pre 0.6 it was unenchantable). 05:04:13 Mwahahaha. 05:04:19 This vault is fuccking demonic. I love it. 05:05:13 !learn edit the_shining_one[6] s/|$/| Trishula: 15, 0, 130% |/ 05:05:13 the shining one[6/6]: | Trishula: 15, 0, 130% |The resulting blessed blade stats are (Dam, Acc, Delay): Falchion: 10, +2, 110% | Long sword: 12, +0, 130% | Scimitar: 12, -1, 120% | Katana: 14, +1, 130% | Demon blade: 14, -2, 140% | Double sword: 15, -2, 150% | Great sword: 17, -5, 170% | Triple sword: 19, -5, 180% | Holy scourge: 13, 0, 110% | 05:06:33 demon weapons are no longer broken by tso blessing? 05:06:50 apparently 05:07:47 you could always bless demon blades, since 0.6 you could bless demon whips and now you can do that to tridents as well 05:07:50 * due in ur demon wpns, breking them 05:08:31 Okay, should this vault have a lich on top of the rune? 05:08:36 I'm unsure. 05:09:09 due: sure, why not? 05:09:15 Excellent! 05:09:17 or make it random 05:09:27 You don't know which room the rune is in, nor which lich it's under! 05:09:40 Though the moment you open one door you basically wake them all up. 05:09:57 I guess I could prevent that with the door blocker marker... 05:10:54 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:30:08 -!- Niccus has quit [Quit: out] 05:36:43 -!- ixtli has quit [Quit: ixtli] 05:42:52 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:42 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:55:19 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:59:36 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:48 03dolorous * r3bc374cf9601 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Tweak trishula description. 06:19:49 03dolorous * r1875958ef4df 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Shorten TSO's weapon blessing description a bit. 06:19:50 03dolorous * r7e4deed129b8 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Comment fix. 06:19:51 03dolorous * r23b8d28a08cd 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc: Set trishula acquirement weight to 0, and fix its placement. 06:19:54 03dolorous * r811e028f4918 10/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc: Ensure that trishulas, if generated, always get the holy wrath brand. 06:19:58 03dolorous * rdddd1abb0c9d 10/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc: Add proper value multiplier for trishulas. 06:43:00 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:59 Aha, we have abyss crashes 06:59:13 Do we have a save 06:59:22 We do 07:01:40 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:09 What happened? 07:04:15 I am making abyss vaults 07:10:54 due: Yay 07:11:13 I currently have a rune vault with six lich. 07:11:27 There's presumably a bug in my vault shift code, I will have to investigate when I'm free 07:11:38 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:11:38 due: Evil :P 07:11:39 I think so 07:11:44 Well 07:11:49 I was standing in a vault and then I got shifted 07:11:52 And the vault disappeared. 07:11:54 Is that intentional? 07:11:57 No 07:12:01 Oh wait 07:12:07 Random abyss teleport can do that, yes 07:12:26 Regular shifting when you're moving to the edge will not destroy a vault near you 07:12:29 Ahhh 07:12:30 03dolorous * r083ecaa92f65 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files in 4 dirs): In tiles, rename the blessed blade to the holy blade, to match the code. 07:12:31 03dolorous * r55a156ab4157 10/crawl-ref/source/ (11 files in 5 dirs): Rename the trishula to the holy trishula, like other blessed base types. 07:12:34 03dolorous * r66713a59799d 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Update the 0.7 changelog again. 07:12:34 03dolorous * r2a4b5442635d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (tilepick-p.cc tilepick.cc): Add code to actually display the trishula tiles. 07:12:38 ... 07:12:39 But if decides to create a new abyss region, all maps are blown away 07:12:39 Jesus. 07:12:43 "holy trishula"? 07:13:07 Ahh, that makes sense. 07:13:07 Trishul is a more common spelling variant :) 07:13:21 Yeah, but we had a huge conversation about not calling it a "holy trishula". 07:13:46 but think of consistency! 07:13:49 Well, the "holy" is not entirely redundant 07:13:57 Fucking consistency. 07:14:03 :) 07:14:05 :) 07:14:18 <-- mentally unstable *and* grumpy! Double whammy. 07:15:26 Ooh this means we can place uniques in the abyss! 07:15:35 03due * r1f522d333c36 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/ (clua/dungeon.lua des/branches/abyss.des): Abyss vaults! 07:15:46 uhm, "blessed blade" being "holy blade"? WTF? 07:16:11 it's always "blessed blade" when granted by TSO, only unpersonalized items get the base name 07:16:34 blessed blades for that extra-close shave! 07:18:12 blessed quadruple-blade 07:18:30 Has "blessed blade" been removed? 07:18:41 I always liked that, especially with TSO retribution effect. 07:20:18 Does it become a cursèd blade if you abandon TSO 07:21:09 yes 07:21:15 Heh 07:21:16 well, a cursed longsword etc. 07:21:18 :) 07:21:21 Oh 07:22:23 -!- DrPraetor has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:26 oh? 07:22:34 Evil vault is in! 07:23:56 elephant time 07:25:03 I'm going to give them trample flavour! 07:29:47 Should an elephant be bigger than a death yak? 07:30:31 dpeg: it's a confusion, I mailed crd 07:33:18 due: A normal elephant might not be, but you living in the dungeon would produce carnivorous dire elephants which are significantly larger and stronger 07:33:27 s/you living/living/ 07:33:51 They should have a sonic trumpet attack 07:34:27 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:35:10 Hmmm, I'm seriously debating calling them dire elephants now. 07:35:47 due: that vault is nastier than doing Zot:5 with the Shield of the Gong 07:36:05 KiloByte: Hehehehe, I knoow. 07:36:12 I debating adding door markers, but I want to see how this turns out. 07:36:50 I was debating doing a soundproofing marker; areas marked in it cannot hear sounds from outside that area. 07:36:53 Would this be useful at all? 07:37:54 stabbity-stab 07:38:04 I mean, for vaults. 07:38:15 Hm. 07:38:22 I suppose it would have to do squares... 07:38:42 greensnark: Actually, I suppose markers aren't the best way to do it. Maybe some sort of map property like colour, etc. 07:39:12 like no_rtele 07:39:19 Yeah. 07:39:22 An fprop! 07:39:23 Duh. 07:42:12 Yeah, I can do that. 07:43:55 03enne.walker * rcf3d4fd3b8ff 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/player/base/ (mummy_f.png mummy_m.png): [1768] Add Poor_Yurik's new mummy player tiles. 07:45:16 oh hm, on my ctrl+o screen there's a message saying something about a buggy portal in the abyss 07:45:27 Yay 07:45:28 i assume that's related to my crash earlier 07:45:33 MarvinPA: Possibly 07:45:42 greensnark: Dire elephants forthcoming! 07:45:52 and one line just says ": Abyss***" 07:49:43 !lm MarvinPA type=crash 07:49:44 2. MarvinPA the Farming Acrobat (L27 NaAr), worshipper of The Shining One, in the Abyss on -01-, with 0 points after 225159 turns and 20:30:07. 07:49:46 !lm MarvinPA type=crash -tv 07:49:47 2. MarvinPA, XL27 NaAr, T:225159 (milestone) requested for FooTV. 07:50:05 Uh 07:50:16 !lm MarvinPA type=crash -2 07:50:17 1. [2010-06-03] MarvinPA the Cleaver (L12 DSBe) ASSERT(in bounds(src pos) || src pos.origin()) in 'mon-behv.cc' at line 716 failed on turn 20529. (D:13) 07:53:36 * due eats greensnark. 07:55:48 -!- sorear has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:07 -!- sorear has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:55 03dolorous * r55d86b3c011b 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Per KiloByte's suggestion, describe trishulas as tridents again. 08:05:45 * due sleeps. 08:08:58 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13:50 nights due! 08:19:13 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:48 !tell Cryp71c PbD works with corpses in deep water (which the player cannot set). Is this intended? 08:19:49 dpeg: OK, I'll let Cryp71c know. 08:21:36 03greensnark * r1c51d17dc981 10/crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: [1769] Fix abyss vault placements not being updated correctly when abyss shifts (MarvinPA). 08:21:45 wooyay :) 08:22:00 That should fix the crash, but I'm still not sure where the buggy portals came from :) 08:22:11 * greensnark still looking. 08:22:24 aha, righto 08:25:07 KiloByte: would you reply to dolorous' two questions? I think they're good. 08:52:24 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:51 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:21 Morning. 09:00:22 Cryp71c: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:00:25 !messages 09:00:25 (1/1) dpeg said (40m 36s ago): PbD works with corpses in deep water (which the player cannot set). Is this intended? 09:01:10 !tell dpeg if the corpse is there, its proper behavior, I don't see why players shouldn't benefit from killing fish/sharks/jellyfish in deep water. 09:01:10 Cryp71c: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 09:02:41 Cryp71c: okay. It's just that you can plan less reliably with wather monsters then. 09:02:41 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:02:46 !messages 09:02:46 (1/1) Cryp71c said (1m 36s ago): if the corpse is there, its proper behavior, I don't see why players shouldn't benefit from killing fish/sharks/jellyfish in deep water. 09:04:15 dpeg, well..you don't have to plan with land monsters either, forcing players to take special precautions just for water monsters seems like an exception to logic, rather than logic itself. 09:04:54 alright 09:15:22 greensnark: the various nick changes don't confuse me. but that so many crawl-devs have addresses ending in angband.pl ... I smell a conspiracy 09:15:39 Spellcasting aptitudes clarification (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1770) by djnrempel 09:15:57 bhaak: Nick changes? 09:16:15 I haven't changed my nick much :) 09:17:30 greensnark: not you. d_p_e_g 09:18:36 -!- dpeg is now known as dgep 09:18:38 greensnark: oh, that was not you. Cryp71c called his nick changes weird 09:23:07 bhaak: what's wrong with Angband? Isn't that the game which has ages much better than Nethack? 09:27:44 dgep: "in development" == "ages better" ? 09:28:12 bhaak: is vanilla Angband that much in development? 09:28:24 I thought it was UAngband etc.? But I am not really familiar with the 09:28:30 *band scene 09:28:57 actually, that sounds like a harsh insult, as vanilla angband is still in development :-) 09:29:05 oops, sorry :) 09:30:14 FWIW, 7 years of non-development, vanilla nethack doesn't look that bad 09:31:56 of course, you could reverse the argument. "how bad is your game that it still needs so many coders changing it?" 09:32:30 bhaak: NH is close to 7 years of Stillstand. 09:32:56 still a fun game though! 09:33:11 casmith789: could be funnier! Play the variants. 09:33:17 I have 09:33:28 and yet I still have played vanilla today 09:33:49 dgep: the only "movement" vanilla nethack has, are the changes to the public servers. unfortunately that keeps all local players out of the loop 09:34:08 OTOH, I think there is no public server for any angband variant, surprisingly 09:36:27 yes, odd thaT 09:37:44 casmith789: you must play more of the UI-advanced variants, then you will be incapable of going back :) 09:37:56 like what? 09:38:05 curses? 09:39:12 I'm rather indifferent to the curses gui. If somebody likes it, fine, but for me it doesn't feel right 09:39:33 yeah I don't like it either, that's why I was skeptical 09:39:46 no, I just meant the standard unnethack enhancements. like pickup_thrown/dropped, dungeon overview, autoopen, etc. ... 09:39:55 nah 09:40:16 None of them are good enough really. Sorry! 09:40:26 but the combination! 09:41:11 casmith789 is a dinosaur. 09:41:18 Dinosaurs are cool 09:41:35 dinosaurs are mostly dead 09:41:35 Crawl has a decent UI but it sucks when it is changed 09:41:47 that's the virtue of being alive 09:41:51 hehe 09:42:05 dead men won't change opinions 09:42:21 dinosaurs are mostly dead, but not all! 09:42:48 there are 2 reasons I consider adding autotracel to unnethack 09:43:00 1. all those crawl-fanboys will be flocking back to us 09:43:06 autotravel could be fun 09:43:19 2. greensnark will shut up ;-) 09:43:23 crawl's UI is nice except when it's not nice 09:44:21 Adeon: if you come up with a good enough proposal, it will be improved 09:44:21 bhaak: problem with autotravel is that I still can't speedrun it properly because un is so much harder to speedrun :( 09:44:44 dgep: I don't really have anything to complain about. I'm from nethack! 09:44:49 haha :) 09:45:00 casmith789: different games have different speeds 09:45:13 yeah but slow speedruns aren't fun 09:45:14 what's the speedrun record in crawl? 09:45:18 funny how many NH heads are in ##crawl-dev 09:45:19 faster than NH 09:45:28 1:12 or something? 09:45:44 !lg * ktyp=winning min=dur 09:45:49 2651. hyperbolic the Spry (L15 SpEn), worshipper of Jiyva, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2010-03-23, with 3144664 points after 20429 turns and 1:19:26. 09:45:54 yeah 09:45:56 even "current and former NH head" 09:46:18 bhaak: "former" will apply to almost all of us 09:46:31 :) 09:46:43 you used to play dgep? 09:46:46 dgep: that's why I suspect a conspiracy behind angband.pl 09:46:51 maybe the nethack devteam is also on ##crawl-dev, disguised? 09:47:09 haha! 09:47:28 casmith789: yes, I even posted on r.g.r.n 09:47:30 it could be, obviously they have nothing better to do! 09:47:33 won three times or so 09:47:39 bhaak: :) 09:48:10 That is why all the crawl changes being made are never good enough to put Crawl above NH in share of the roguelike play *hides* 09:48:47 we'll see how the tournaments develop 09:48:52 :) 09:49:12 The crawl tournament should be better, hopefully 09:49:19 why hopefully? 09:49:27 because NH last year was a mess 09:49:31 but still fun :P 09:49:32 casmith789: they want to go away from sourceforge, so we can't compare how much they lag behind nethack! 09:49:32 I hope so, too. Just wondering why you hope the same. Ah. 09:49:50 bhaak: those faked download numbers? 09:50:11 dgep: real numbers don't lie! only your interpretation of them! 09:50:13 I bet the NH team has been busy coding bots to perma-download their game from SF. 09:50:25 bhaak: what about complex numbers? They're liars? 09:50:27 there are more crawl devs active 09:50:34