00:00:15 hmmm, chei abilities should show up on the A menu, probably 00:00:22 like how beogh water walking does 00:26:33 yo, how come my leather armour prevents me from attacking, but is not training armour even a little? Do I need to just wear robes to stop this from happening? 00:26:43 Vandal: it is training armour 00:26:54 I'm L10 and have been wearing leather armour all game 00:26:59 I don't have the armour skill yet 00:27:26 i'm level 9 and have been wearing robes all game, and i have a level of armour skill 00:27:29 I also turned off short blades, slings, and dodging 00:27:32 all game 00:27:37 (HaHu) 00:27:37 !whereis vandal 00:27:38 173. Vandal the Bolt Thrower (L5 MDHu), slain by a jelly on D:3 on 2010-02-17, with 275 points after 3268 turns and 0:16:52. 00:27:43 !apt ha 00:27:44 Ha: Air=90, Armour=150, Axes=120, Bows=70, Conj=130, Xbows=90, Darts=50!, Div=140, Dodge=70, Earth=100, Ench=100, Evo=67, Exp=100!, Fighting=120, Fire=100, Ice=100, Inv=75, Long=100, Maces=150, Nec=150, Poison=120, Polearms=160, Shields=130, Short=60!, Slings=50!, Splcast=169, Stab=70, Staves=130, Stealth=60, Summ=120, Throw=60!, Tloc=100, Tmut=150, Traps=100, Unarmed=140* 00:27:48 150 armour apt 00:28:00 yeesh. 00:28:01 plus you aren't getting hit much as a hunter, probably 00:28:16 armour training is faster when you're actually taking damage 00:28:29 I've been melee'ing a lot this game honestly 00:28:35 because of ammo troubles previous game 00:28:43 I have a scimitar of elec right now and usually just default to it 00:29:13 in any case, you are training armour skill 00:29:21 yeah, thanks for answering that 00:35:16 -!- Madtrixr has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:36 can't blink past plants (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=836) by doy 00:39:06 -!- Stathol has left ##crawl-dev 00:40:11 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:46 labs can have hungry ghosts? 00:44:49 that's kinda mean 00:44:49 (: 01:19:34 -!- timecircuits has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:42:52 Moin! 01:43:02 did you, sorear? 01:43:13 update, I mean 01:43:43 * Madtrixr comes back to the computer to say "Hai" 01:44:54 hi Madtrixr 01:46:28 * Madtrixr hopes he can help contribute to Crawl's development in some way again. 01:48:45 But I don't know how. 01:48:58 I guess something will come up. 01:49:04 oh? that's easy 01:49:15 would you like to code? 01:49:31 Uh...no. 01:49:44 -!- felirx has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:51 * Madtrixr is not good with numbers, and is probably no good at coding. 01:49:52 maybe you would like to give suggestions in the wiki? 01:49:57 Maybe. 01:50:03 I'll think about that one. 01:50:12 go there and read :) 01:50:36 doy? 01:51:32 Napkin: nope, hasn't been updated yet 01:51:38 ah, there you are 01:51:49 would you like to help us keep CDO updated? 01:52:05 (and the windows builds) 01:52:33 is it easy? 01:52:36 if so, sure! 01:52:37 (: 01:52:46 sure, you'll see :) 01:52:56 message me your public ssh key? 01:53:06 http://tozt.net/id_dsa.pub 01:53:09 I'll add you to the login list and show you around quickly 01:53:10 * Madtrixr could maybe help come up with witty quotes like for Fred. 01:53:26 If you guys rewrite anyother uniques. 01:55:15 try ssh crawl@crawl.develz.org, doy 01:55:33 if it works, start a screen and i'll show you around 01:55:48 if you have time, that is 02:04:56 Master branch on CDO updated to: 0.6.0-a2-152-gde9ee9c (16.5) 02:06:53 -!- Zaba_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:04 doy: That's good, right? 02:07:24 yup 02:08:18 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:11:53 windows binaries take a bit longer 02:12:20 both compiles run "nice make -j2" - so it always depends on how much the load the box has, doy 02:12:29 -the 02:27:34 in what timezone are you in doy? 02:28:25 it felt like you must have deep night at moment ;) 02:28:51 gmt-6 02:28:57 2:30am here 02:28:59 shrug 02:28:59 (: 02:29:47 :) 02:33:06 (:) 02:39:19 trixr! 02:41:51 -!- raydarken has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:56 What? 03:08:48 i think i like chei better than fedhas 03:08:50 this is fun 03:10:46 @whereis doy 03:10:46 doy the Grappler (L12 GhMo), a worshipper of Cheibriados, is currently on D:8 after 15617 turns. 03:11:06 I'm still looking for a race to play him with 03:11:16 Naga is too difficult for me 03:12:12 !lg * god=~chei xl>=20 s=race 03:12:19 6 games for * (god=~chei xl>=20): 4x Naga, 1x Demonspawn, 1x Ogre 03:20:29 i mean, the difference is that nagas get very little to make up for their speed issues 03:37:16 Poison spit kicks ass. :) 03:37:45 sure, for the early game 03:37:53 it becomes less useful as the game goes on 03:38:12 That is true. 03:42:18 napkin, how did the patch go? :) 03:43:43 it didn't, cbus :D 03:43:57 doh :) 03:43:59 I found no way to do it in a non-hackish way 03:44:04 well I'll play some go instead ;D 03:44:12 enjoy :) 03:44:35 ehh, apparently the fulsomet hing is not a bug 03:44:44 http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=807 03:45:04 true 03:45:25 it kinda is since its not supposed to be there (greensnark said it should've been reverted) 03:45:32 but whatever 03:45:37 fuck it, I've had enough of it 03:45:48 no more Tm until it's fixed anyway 03:46:44 well, the fact that nobody seeing your complains fixed it yet, probably means they haven't found a way to do it properly either yet. 03:47:35 How about you reply to the ML and voice your opinion more clearly - you are registered to it, aren't you? 03:48:35 is there a bug with finding books? 03:48:46 I keep finding every book twice :D 03:49:13 2x conjuration [fire], 2x tempest, 2x power 03:59:54 napkin, it'll be ignored anyway 04:00:06 and whats a ML? 04:00:24 ML = mailinglist 04:00:29 ahh, yeah 04:00:32 and it'll not be ignored 04:00:49 they already decided have it work like z/Z 04:00:55 just nobody implemented it yet 04:02:27 hmm. 04:02:47 hi Zaba 04:02:53 -!- Zaba_ is now known as Zaba 04:03:15 iood is available as a player spell, right? 04:03:21 yes 04:03:34 in annihilations? 04:03:47 I think so 04:05:04 is there an option do disable coloring of the spells in I-view? 04:05:08 *to disable 04:05:27 I wonder if theres an option to disable Zz 04:05:58 macro Z to z and reverse? 04:06:04 f - Orb of Destruction Conjuration Excellent 7 04:06:08 okay, sounds good. 04:06:13 napkin, but I want Z to be evoke 04:06:15 enjoy! 04:06:15 like it used to 04:06:29 then add this one config? 04:06:58 http://crawl.develz.org/settings/034_command_keys.txt 04:07:22 default init suggests to include it, cbus 04:07:23 oh jeez, it's lovely. 04:07:34 It's awesome :D 04:07:38 blood and chunks all over the place <3 04:07:48 messy spell :D 04:07:51 zaba, and then it'll autopickup chunks :D 04:07:56 cbus, I'm a spriggan 04:08:06 wise choice ;) 04:08:08 ahh ok 04:08:28 zaba, how much hunger does it cost? :D 04:08:36 ration 04:08:49 hmm, I wonder how much nutrition that is 04:08:50 that is to say, a bunch 04:08:59 ?? ration 04:09:00 I don't have a page labeled ration in my learndb. 04:09:16 oh crap 04:09:30 hihi 04:09:42 is it circling? :> 04:09:46 zaba, you have poly and random effects, waste of weight :) 04:10:07 point 04:10:16 you still need higher Str though :) 04:10:28 I think I needed like 9 or 10-ish to be able to play my longbladed Sp 04:10:49 yeah, I need more str. 04:18:48 uhm. 04:19:25 -!- Spads has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:19:27 ^o shows swamp even when shoals were found. 04:19:32 greyed out, but nevertheless 04:27:27 Zaba: you can get both swamp and shoals 04:27:41 oh, hmmm 04:27:53 I thought I couldn't and that was the point.. 04:28:06 Zaba: it picks two out of swamp, shoals, and snake 04:29:29 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:49 ah, I see. 04:29:56 it does seem to be displaying swamp, snake, and shoals though, i thought i fixed that 04:29:59 well, I have found both shoals and snake. 04:30:02 yeah 04:30:57 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:42 just a question, was shoals meant to replace swamp, or is it meant to sometimes replace snake as well? 04:33:53 -!- dpeg has quit [*.net *.split] 04:38:18 casmith789: it replaces snake sometimes, you get any 2 of those 3. 04:38:28 ah okay, thanks 04:42:06 -!- casmith789 has left ##crawl-dev 05:06:11 -!- DrPraetorious has joined ##crawl-dev 05:09:59 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:20:49 Inventory mouse overlay broken (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=837) by felirx 05:29:29 -!- Spads has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:23 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:58:08 napkin, lol, I picked up vehu by reflex in temple :D 05:58:17 napkin, instead of cheibradpit 05:58:29 hihi 05:58:31 !learn add cbus napkin, instead of cheibradpit 05:58:31 cbus[5/5]: napkin, instead of cheibradpit 05:58:32 not that it matters 05:58:34 still no altar 05:58:36 My new favourite name 05:58:38 cheibradpit <3 05:58:41 :D 05:58:46 :D 05:58:57 lol 05:58:59 @whereis pingpong 05:58:59 pingpong the Stinger (L8 NaSt), a worshipper of Vehumet, is currently on D:7 after 6820 turns. 05:59:09 should I kill your game? 05:59:23 nah 05:59:30 ah, you left temple already :) 05:59:31 I'll let vehu kill me when I find the altar 06:00:45 just qiuit it 06:00:47 to much work finding the altar 06:01:04 what happened?? 06:01:06 ohhhhh! 06:01:17 * due gone. 06:01:24 the power of overflow altars 06:03:54 @whereis napkin 06:03:55 No where information for napkin (). 06:03:58 @whereis Napkin 06:03:58 Napkin the Conjurer (L12 DECj), a worshipper of Vehumet, is currently on D:10 after 27442 turns. 06:05:56 napkin, gave up on NaSt? 06:08:03 for now, yes 06:08:19 they were really hard 06:08:25 i'm pretty clueless how to skill him.. nor do I know how to play Transmuter properly 06:08:25 with like 1 mp at level 1, 2 at level 3 06:08:38 and sting misses or misscasts 24/7 06:08:38 nor Stalker (assassin/venom mage), I mean 06:08:49 I'm at XP:4 and just got it from very good to great 06:09:05 I know how, but not the "new" Tm 06:09:37 I ended up doing more melee with the whip of electroction than anything else :D 06:10:24 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:11:10 crazy (whatever he is called) got changed to normal hobgoblin colour 06:11:25 liked him more in special colours 06:11:46 oh? 06:11:47 cbus: due made him have a random colour 06:11:50 no, he was green for me 06:11:54 ahh ok 06:11:55 ah 06:11:59 he was normal hobo-colour for me 06:12:04 Wizmode artefact generation is broken (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=838) by jpeg 06:12:21 perhaps it should be an elemental colour (probably Xom's, ie, fully random) 06:12:25 maybe prevent goblin/hobgoblin colors? 06:12:30 ಠ_ಠ cbus 06:12:42 Oh. 06:13:10 I guess it's not apparent here why I'd have hobo on nick highlight 06:13:11 I don't get why naga spit gets a range either (while complaining) :D 06:15:12 _e - the dagger of Ascent (weapon) {speed, +Blink +Inv Dex+3} 06:15:43 what does chebradpit think about speedbranded weapons? 06:16:56 hates them 06:17:27 nice thing is that you can make crappy stuff ponderous 06:17:31 like this +0 helmet and this +0 robe 06:17:32 :D 06:24:40 Your Fighting skill increases to level 2! Cheibriados forgives your accidental hurry, just this once. The imp seems to speed up. 06:24:43 ehh 06:24:47 is that a bug? 06:29:39 03j-p-e-g * rad1f27765840 10/crawl-ref/source/tilereg.cc: Fix #837: inventory mouseover descriptions not being displayed 06:29:46 03j-p-e-g * rc8f044f551bf 10/crawl-ref/source/ (item_use.cc misc.cc): Fix #829: For randarts, only run drowning checks when actually levitating. 06:32:13 Johanna Ploog * rad1f27765840 ( changed): Fix #837: inventory mouseover descriptions not being displayed 06:32:14 Johanna Ploog * rc8f044f551bf ( changed): Fix #829: For randarts, only run drowning checks when actually levitating. 06:34:44 back 06:34:54 dpeg_, 13:24:10 < cbus> Your Fighting skill increases to level 2! Cheibriados forgives your accidental hurry, just this once. The imp seems to speed up. 06:34:57 dpeg_, bug? 06:35:02 dpeg_, (quarterstaff of chaos) 06:35:13 the wording is wrong though, since I didn't hurry up, the imp did 06:35:21 cbus: any use of speed is discouraged 06:35:24 yes, wording is off 06:35:34 I last saw doy at Wed Feb 17 10:30:02 2010 UTC (2h 5m 32s ago) saying yeah on ##crawl-dev. 06:35:35 !seen doy 06:35:42 dpeg_, so next time it triggers on the staff I'll get punished? 06:35:45 doy: thanks for fixing my breakage yesterday! 06:35:49 cbus: no 06:36:24 btw 06:36:28 he didn't complain when I berserked something 06:36:35 (staff this time too) 06:37:13 how much piety is bend time? :) 06:37:17 1-2 06:37:24 depending on? 06:37:26 or just random 06:37:27 random 06:37:42 and chei piety gain is very fast so you can spam it all the time 06:38:21 yeah, just wondering since I wanted to know how to train invo :) 06:38:45 bend time >>> might 06:38:48 dpeg_: on dis, there's a week-old Crawl process taking 100% CPU. Are you doing some massive tests? It looks like a bug to me. 06:39:02 kilobyte: I am doing nothing! 06:39:09 it's not on screen and has no controlling terminal, too 06:39:10 kill, kill, kill 06:39:34 kilobyte: I lose connection with dis from time to time, perhaps something stale? In any case, kill! 06:39:43 so much violence in crawl 06:40:12 I'll su to you to debug it 06:40:29 and "spam it all the time" does not work 06:40:29 huh, I wouldn't know what to do :) 06:40:33 Maybe Chei should just prevent chaos effects from causing speed? 06:40:35 I didn't regain the piety lost by next enemy 06:40:46 Twinge-: why always the complicated solution? 06:41:15 -!- timbermaw has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:26 Er, seems both simple and logical to me :P 06:41:36 or atleast when under bend time 06:42:06 cbus: well obviously using it against every enemy isn't going to work :P 06:42:19 thats what you said :D 06:42:21 "all the time" 06:42:21 no 06:42:26 I was just about to empty the xp-pool 06:42:58 Twinge-: a lot of unnecessary code, in my opinion. What about wands of random effects? Cards which haste? 06:43:05 you only need 12ish invo 06:43:30 does he like when you quaff !oPara? 06:43:33 higher than that isn't very useful 06:43:37 no 06:43:38 some interesting infinite loop in the level builder... 06:43:46 how come? time stops for real then 06:43:46 :D 06:44:13 Hmm, fair, I wasn't properly considering the other sources of random speed. What's a better fix though? 06:44:53 Twinge-: doing nothing 06:45:10 dpeg_: moin! did you get what I said about the license change last evening? 06:45:24 bhaak: no! 06:45:37 What did you say? 06:45:53 hmm 06:45:59 no message from che when I get slowed down by curare 06:46:08 Re license change: the angband open source initiative took almost 9 years to complete. if you start doing it, it might someday work out. If you don't, it will never. 06:46:10 cbus: why should there be a message? 06:46:17 dpeg_, from normal -> slow 06:46:46 bhaak: sure. Good to know about Angband, thanks for that. 06:47:04 if you start dual-licensing now, you might get to the point where only a small part will have to worked around 06:47:32 oopsie 06:47:39 13:46:59 < Gretell> pingpong (L10 NaSt) banished the ghost of crepe the Thaumaturge, an experienced SpVM of Vehumet. (D:10) 06:47:40 bhaak: should talk with those who understand licenses.... 06:47:44 should ghosts be able to be banished? 06:47:50 sure 06:47:56 I thought they were "forever meant to haunt a level" 06:48:06 yes, until you remove them 06:48:14 They wouldn't leave the level deliberately, is all. 06:48:36 oki 06:48:54 dpeg: But I like fixing problems that aren't problems! ;) Yeah, just leaving it is probably fine I guess. 06:48:55 we can cheat, too... No one noticed that we don't follow the license until now. 06:49:12 kilobyte: yes, that's my preferred approach 06:50:09 it would be best to skip trying to contact every single contributor, and concentrate on all substantial ones 06:50:18 yes 06:50:32 cbus: bend time works only against monsters that are right nexto you 06:50:53 Linley Henzell should probably be the first person to talk to. 06:50:54 ooh, the nice UI colouring doesn't mention ;D 06:51:03 yes, not sure if it's documented somewhere 06:51:07 and neither does the ability text 06:51:07 maybe if you examine the skill 06:51:15 But bhaak is right, the sooner relicensing is started, the sooner it's done. 06:51:15 moin dpeg 06:51:26 imo it should say in the ^ prompt 06:51:34 RogueBasin lists DCSS to be GPL, btw 06:51:52 kilobyte: do you know how complete the VCS log is? is it possible to get out of that every contributor? 06:51:54 btw monsters dont get a normal mr check against it so you can slow liches and such 06:51:54 change the You can bend time to slow others. prompty maybe 06:52:55 Napkin: Hallo! 06:53:03 you should also start now dual-licensing the new parts. 06:53:27 kilobyte: Linley will be no problem. I write him an email for every major release. 06:53:42 -!- timecircuits has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:42 -!- timecircuits has quit [Client Quit] 06:53:54 bhaak: it starts in Aug 2006. Stone Soup only. 06:53:57 -!- timecircuits has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:02 ah, okay 06:54:38 ?? norbert 06:54:39 norbert[1/2]: A skilled warrior. No spells! Not that much skill either! 06:54:59 syllogism, how does it work? does it constantly change the time around me or just a check when its used on nearby foes? 06:55:09 so can I use it in advance or only when they are next to me? 06:55:19 it slows every monster next to you 06:55:20 only adjacent monster 06:55:33 so I can use it and run up to stuff 06:55:46 no 06:56:13 his looks messy: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/crawl/crawl_0.5.2-4/crawl.copyright 06:56:29 *this 06:57:19 Napkin: I thought those licenses were because of the submoduldes (like lua and sqlite)? 06:57:52 yes, but.. 06:57:54 "The following applies to the MT19937 random number generator used in crawl" 06:58:43 "THE BASIC LIBRARY FUNCTIONS"? "THE C++ WRAPPER FUNCTIONS" (Copyright (c) 2006, Google Inc.)?? 06:58:46 "Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without 06:58:48 hmm 06:58:52 agnes only had a +0,+0 lajatang 06:58:58 "modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met" 06:58:59 and why does it mention the THE "BSD" LICENCE 06:59:02 at the very end 06:59:34 or is that all part of the "PCRE Licence"? 06:59:40 too many nasty stuff in orc 06:59:50 orc sorc, knight, josephine, agnes, norbert 07:00:02 chebradpit doesn't work that great in orc, need to level up more first :D 07:00:05 too many stuff to handle 07:00:47 Napkin: yes, starting with "PCRE LICENCE" everything is from docs/license/pcre_license.txt 07:02:12 harsh 07:05:26 hihi, just because of a few calls in pattern.cc :-) 07:09:58 anyone know the debian maintainers? 07:10:38 wasn't s/he in here a while back? 07:11:34 with tiles the licenses grew even more: lgpl & libpng license 07:11:36 Napkin: that's Guus Sliepen from day 0 07:12:10 heh - I read their names, kilobyte :) 07:12:16 but do they show up here sometimes? 07:12:47 most of the bugs reported on the debian-tracker could be closed 07:13:54 as far as I know no, but Trent W. Buck did most of packaging of 0.5 (very recently, Nov 2009), and he appears here from time to time 07:14:08 cool 07:14:15 do you remember his nick? 07:14:33 and I did some packaging of 0.6 just a week before him, but didn't sent it to Guus Sliepen (since 0.6 is not yet done) 07:14:56 will you suggest to add crawl-sdl too? 07:14:59 not really, but let's search c-r-d 07:15:11 it's not in the 0.5 packaging 07:15:32 maybe we should get it in for 0.6? 07:15:54 and due to neunon's changes, the packaging needs to be thrown out and reworked from scratch -- which I did, but sadly, Trent didn't realize 07:16:24 I'm not that good in creating debian packaging files - but I would help you whereever I can 07:17:02 there's a "debian" branch in git, guess what it holds :) 07:17:04 I 07:17:06 I think neunon added some vars to set to use the system-wide librabries - didn't he? 07:17:21 oh nice :)) 07:17:23 great idea 07:17:29 I should add a freedesktop icon so it shows up in Gnome's/KDE's menu 07:17:57 I'll just need to pass this test tomorrow, then construct my new desktop and will then check it out 07:18:07 we have an icon already - but probably in the wrong format 07:18:14 yeah 07:18:21 it's compiled into the crawl binaries for windows 07:18:36 I created a Debian menu entry, but Gnome doesn't use these 07:18:43 oh? 07:19:13 too long ago that I dealt with that... will change once the new desktop is running 07:19:16 Gnome uses FreeDesktop instead 07:19:18 finally a sid again \o/ 07:19:23 after all these years :D 07:19:53 it does include it in a "Debian" submenu that's disabled by default 07:20:38 but since Crawl-tiles is a proper graphical program, it should appear in the main FreeDesktop "Games" entry 07:20:50 true 07:25:51 I have a dagger quivered I just picked up, trying to butcher a snake but it says I'm not carrying a weapon suitable for butchering :D 07:26:25 mm glowing vampiric dagger 07:26:39 and you are not "full"? 07:26:58 the dagger was not identified before I tried buthering 07:27:06 butcher is too smart :( 07:27:09 yeah :D 07:27:29 yay for plan_9 generating a whole-rock level 07:28:06 and then _place_specific_feature() went into an infinite loop 07:28:20 -!- gal_bolle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:34 (that week old process at 100% CPU dpeg had on my box) 07:29:01 we defer SIGHUP until return to the main loop 07:30:29