00:53:09 -!- ifreund_ is now known as ifreund 01:34:56 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-648-g6b26cc9f40 (34) 01:56:42 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-648-g6b26cc9f40 02:54:20 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-648-g6b26cc9f40 03:05:29 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.29-a0-648-g6b26cc9f40 (34) 03:31:12 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4719-g50af30713d 05:04:57 -!- indigaz1 is now known as indigaz 06:21:18 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4719-g50af30713d 06:22:12 New branch created: pull/2578 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2578 06:22:12 03robertxgray02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2578 * 0.29-a0-649-g7594847579: Quote for Gozag's altar Francisco de Quevedo, _Poderoso caballero es don Dinero_. 1603. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/75948475790c 08:29:32 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.29-a0-648-g6b26cc9 (34) 10:41:34 03Rytis Petronis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2573 * 0.29-a0-616-g3f732dcee9: change to have the chance to trigger on any damage over the safe_damage_fraction 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3f732dcee955 10:41:34 03Rytis Petronis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2573 * 0.29-a0-617-g5fc49878ee: adjust frequency adverbs to match other mutations 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5fc49878ee47 10:41:34 03Rytis Petronis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2573 * 0.29-a0-618-gff91c0a8d4: change conflict mutation to MUT_STRONG_WILLED 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ff91c0a8d42f 10:41:34 03Rytis Petronis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2573 * 0.29-a0-619-g079c079486: MUT_DRINK_SAFETY is now a regular bad mutation as well! 10(2 hours ago, 4 files, 20+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/079c07948691 10:56:50 03Rytis Petronis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2573 * 0.29-a0-619-g60dd4c8d53: MUT_DRINK_SAFETY is now a regular bad mutation as well! 10(2 hours ago, 4 files, 20+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/60dd4c8d53c6 11:17:16 03Rytis Petronis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2573 * 0.29-a0-620-g69834810d1: fully clarify the way the damage threat is assessed. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/69834810d125 11:42:42 03Rytis Petronis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2573 * 0.29-a0-621-g0d4d91c7f5: check for innate mutation to see that this was sacrificed for ru, same as scrolls 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0d4d91c7f524 11:42:42 03Rytis Petronis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2573 * 0.29-a0-622-g3b4b55699f: update mutation text 10(41 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3b4b55699f12 11:47:47 03Rytis Petronis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2573 * 0.29-a0-623-g740e6ca0cd: clarify comment 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/740e6ca0cd17 13:19:20 03robertxgray02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2578 * 0.29-a0-649-g6b4ca93eb8: Quote for Gozag's altar Francisco de Quevedo, _Poderoso caballero es don Dinero_. 1603. 10(7 hours ago, 2 files, 25+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b4ca93eb8a1 14:09:46 PF: just realized I misunderstood that your commit was allowing to gain Usk piety for whacking other people's summons, not for your own summons whacking other people. In that case I think it still doesn't make sense for spectral weapons to give piety. 14:10:43 <10PleasingFungus> ah 14:10:46 <10PleasingFungus> gotcha 14:10:54 <10PleasingFungus> i don't remember things 🙂 14:35:35 03Rytis Petronis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2573 * 0.29-a0-624-g2d9dfb0370: 2 tiered mutations 10(9 minutes ago, 3 files, 18+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2d9dfb037079 14:35:35 03Rytis Petronis02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2573 * 0.29-a0-625-g109e30e7a6: remove conflict 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/109e30e7a674 15:44:31 -!- allbery_b is now known as geekosaur 15:46:40 -!- indigaz8 is now known as indigaz 15:55:51 03hellmonk302 {GitHub} 07* 0.29-a0-649-g45c230d69a: feat: New Orc ending (#2454) 10(8 seconds ago, 1 file, 64+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/45c230d69a13 16:02:42 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-649-g45c230d69a (34) 16:23:14 <09gammafunk> After more recent fixes, qw has two more wins, grfi of oka https://crawl.dcss.io/crawl/morgue/qwqw/morgue-qwqw-20220620-182039.txt and mibe https://crawl.dcss.io/crawl/morgue/qwqw/morgue-qwqw-20220620-154427.txt 16:23:36 <09gammafunk> its method for using heroism was to use it over and over until dropping below 1* piety 16:23:50 <09gammafunk> because it didn't know that the heroism status name had changed 😫 16:25:12 <10PleasingFungus> lol 17:09:56 <03wheals> still better than the average oka player 17:12:09 New branch created: pull/2579 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2579 17:12:09 03Nikolai Lavsky02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2579 * 0.29-a0-649-g7611d11eec: fix: apply item_slot when seeing monsters use unid'd scrolls or potions 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7611d11eec1d 17:42:28 dang, throwing more shade than Ereshkigal 18:23:38 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.29-a0-649-g45c230d69a (34) 19:54:24 <|amethyst> !tell ebering So there have been some comments on reddit saying that the new abyss mechanics are suspiciously close to bcrawl's and expressing disappointment that we did not give credit. I have a feeling it was more an instance of convergent evolution, but I am curious about your thoughts on the matter 19:54:25 |amethyst: OK, I'll let ebering know. 19:59:12 <10PleasingFungus> |amethyst: the suggestion came from here 19:59:18 <05kate> i'm pretty sure it's also an idea that came up like, when multi-floor abyss was first implemented 19:59:26 <10PleasingFungus> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/988593957384642621/AED3029B-9EA2-43BF-ACD5-C361F92791CC.png 19:59:27 <10PleasingFungus> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/988593957707587584/DAFF5CA9-42AA-4229-AA28-DDB76B237509.png 19:59:32 <05kate> so not exactly a new one 19:59:47 <10PleasingFungus> ha, before my time 20:00:21 <10PleasingFungus> er, those logs are very busy, sorry… 20:01:13 <10PleasingFungus> FIQ’s lines are the ones that inspired me, and afaik ebering got it from me 20:02:28 <05kate> i could be misremembering but i definitely think i'd seen it suggested in the distant past, although would also have been when like, 27-floor abyss was briefly implemented so i don't know that it was ever taken into much consideration at the time 20:04:24 <05kate> oh wow the initial newabyss implementation stuff has some true gems of commits that i'd forgotten about 20:04:47 <05kate> special messages for when monsters spawned in LOS in the abyss, including: 20:04:50 <05kate> %git 9988e5e4d4 20:04:51 <04Cerebot> bh * 0.12-a0-1480-g9988e5e4d4: Death cob jokes. (10 years ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9988e5e4d4f0 20:08:53 <|amethyst> `(10 years ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-)` well, now I feel old 20:10:31 <|amethyst> Speaking of bad jokes involving death cobs, I notice that amethyst_zot_foddershock is still around 20:11:10 <05kate> heh, same! also in that batch of commits: the genesis of apocalypse crabs, and warwick von hugsford, who i had completely forgotten about ever existing and who seems like should be an entry on @hellmonk's crawl iceberg (although i don't know if having never made it to a stable version disqualifies him) 20:11:18 something something I wasn't even alive when crawl was first published 20:12:10 <|amethyst> perryprog: I am slightly younger than Rogue.... 20:12:29 ha, old! 20:12:56 <|amethyst> ok, zoomer 20:13:08 <|amethyst> (jk of course) 20:15:06 <05kate> replace boomers/millenials/zoomers with roguelike-based generation names imo, i'm slightly older than angband apparently 20:16:34 <|amethyst> kate-: Dragon Crystal, approximately contemporaneous, was my first roguelike 20:17:34 <|amethyst> I managed to win a Game Gear through some McDonald's promotion or another 20:20:41 damn, I'm old 20:20:59 <|amethyst> geekosaur: TBF, it's right there in your nick 20:21:12 (around 15 years pre-rogue) 20:22:03 kate: do you really want a whole generation named after "Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare" (which I'm pretty sure I've heard someone call a roguelite before...) 20:24:25 <|amethyst> perryprog: Nah, Zelda Randomizer 20:24:37 strong point 20:26:03 <10PleasingFungus> the great thing about that death cob commit is that (a) afaik that code is still around and (b), both then and now, death cobs are not in the abyss pop 20:26:39 <10PleasingFungus> i think it is very possible that that message has only ever appeared in wizmode 20:27:30 <05kate> oh wow it's actually still there 20:27:35 <05kate> incredible 20:28:23 rip the butter message though 20:29:38 <10PleasingFungus> ‘that which never lived may never truly die…’ 20:29:43 <10PleasingFungus> or something like that 20:29:52 <|amethyst> yall actually making me run `git log -p --reverse -S butter` 20:29:59 <10PleasingFungus> lol 20:30:22 <|amethyst> + * changed create_monster() call in spells2::summon_butter() to 20:30:22 <|amethyst> + duration 22 [from 21] to match other summoning spells; 20:30:45 <05kate> haha i just did the same and was very surprised how many results there were 20:30:51 someone was hungry 20:31:43 FR: add a death cob unique so in the rare edge case that it's banished and you run into it in the abyss later you have a small chance of seeing that message (not sure if that function is actually used for unique spawns) 20:33:35 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-404-g1b0b748f7c: As abyss monster creation messages imply visible, simplify. 10(9 years ago, 1 file, 7+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1b0b748f7c32 20:33:35 %git 1b0b748f7c32abe7bb3e5d60667eef29f9426dde 20:33:37 very sad. 20:33:56 <06advil> fwiw that poster is someone I have blocked on discord for trolling, if you want my take on whether they're worth listening to 20:34:14 <06advil> / engaging with 20:34:25 <06advil> that was @|amethyst sorry 20:35:01 <|amethyst> yeah, figured they were not likely to be a good-faith poster 20:36:07 <06advil> also looking at the bcrawl changelog I'm not even sure what they're talking about, though no idea if that's up to date 20:36:28 <06advil> there's a vaguely related mechanism re entry depth, just going by the text? 20:37:19 <|amethyst> AIUI, though I haven't played bcrawl, every time you visit the Abyss, you go one level deeper than your maxdepth there 20:37:43 <10PleasingFungus> hm, that’s different 20:38:06 <10PleasingFungus> comparable, of course 20:38:37 <10PleasingFungus> but not even as similar as i expected 🙂 20:38:57 <|amethyst> anyway, bhauth has always been very reasonable, and I'm sure they have no ill will regarding the change, but IMO it would be nice to acknowledge that we arrived independently at a similar result 20:39:18 <|amethyst> but of course that comes from my academic background 20:39:18 <06advil> I uh absolutely do not agree about bhauth 20:40:47 <|amethyst> okay, maybe I haven't been around enough to know all that has happened, but they did make a presentation at Roguelike Celebration 2020 about why DCSS is such a good game 20:40:58 <10PleasingFungus> maybe notable that they asked the same question in the roguelikes discord and then ignored the answer 20:40:59 <|amethyst> DCSS and not bcrawl 20:41:21 <10PleasingFungus> not sure if that was before or after the reddit post 20:46:16 <10PleasingFungus> anyway 20:46:43 <10PleasingFungus> would be more than happy to cite bcrawl had it been an inspiration 20:47:12 <10PleasingFungus> as one of several forks that independently arrived at a broadly similar mechanism, i’m less compelled 20:47:35 <10PleasingFungus> seems like we’d need to do the same for goon crawl, at minimum 20:47:43 <|amethyst> Again, as an academic, it is my inclination to cite previous works that had done something similar even if we were unaware of it at the time 20:47:47 <10PleasingFungus> what type of acknowledgment did you have in mind? 20:48:13 <|amethyst> I guess it's too late to do so in a commit, but maybe in the trunk updates post 20:49:13 <|amethyst> also, as an academic, "[bcrawl 20xx]" 20:49:16 <10PleasingFungus> i can edit in a small ref once i’m on desktop 20:49:26 <06advil> I'm not sure I agree that this merits a cite? I'm also an academic 20:49:34 <06advil> so is ebering for that matter 20:49:45 <10PleasingFungus> nerd fight! nerd fight! 20:50:02 <|amethyst> Previous work: [bcrawl 20xx] 20:50:15 <10PleasingFungus> i went to college. i cited several things 20:50:36 <06advil> tbh that reddit post read to me as exactly analogous to when people think they should be cited but are being disingenuous about what their contribution actually is 20:50:51 <06advil> but perhaps that's my dislike of all past interactions with that guy showing through 20:50:56 <|amethyst> anyway, not a big deal for me given that it is apparently (as I suspected) convergent evolution, and that Crawl is not an academic work 20:51:03 <|amethyst> obtw 20:51:12 <|amethyst> I am reminded now 20:52:53 <|amethyst> I'm planning on writing a paper this summer about my experience teaching a software engineering course (which many of you remember) that used Crawl as the course project 20:53:10 <|amethyst> It didn't work out so well, I know, but 20:54:01 <|amethyst> If anyone has thoughts on the matter and is free the next couple of months, I wouldn't object to a co-author 20:56:20 <|amethyst> Apparently my successor in teaching the course has used the same projects the past couple of semesters (though, hopefully, without linking students to Discord/IRC, since I asked him not to) 20:56:42 <10PleasingFungus> hm, not sure how much i can help… i offered some help to a few groups of students, but not much happened 20:57:02 <10PleasingFungus> hm, the same projects? 20:58:41 <|amethyst> Yeah, even though some of them have since been implemented by all yall; He hasn't been following Crawl development, but also hasn't had much of a chance to change things up (since he was hired like two weeks before last Fall semester) 20:59:51 <09hellmonk> not familiar with warwick von hugsford 21:00:52 <09gammafunk> yeah I would also voice a word of caution re: citing bcrawl just because bhauth pops in to say he had a similar idea first. bhauth is a long time disgruntled against the dcss dev team person who has close association with the MR trolling crew and has behaved in rather awful ways both in roguelikes discord and in various alt-right type places. No problem at all citing a fork for something actually inspired by said fork, but also don't 21:00:56 want to feed any cycle where disgruntled people exploit some kind of "it was stolen!" narrative. 21:01:19 <05kate> the pioneering attempt at an abyss-only unique! 21:01:23 <05kate> %git 1680173ad83 21:01:24 <04Cerebot> bh * 0.12-a0-1501-g1680173ad8: Warwick von Hugsford (10 years ago, 5 files, 57+ 1-) https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1680173ad831 21:01:27 <09gammafunk> oh man 21:01:29 <09gammafunk> I remember that 21:01:34 <09gammafunk> the bear with chaos melee 21:01:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk: thanks for the feedback, I was not aware of the backstory. I guess things have changed since the last time I interacted with them 21:03:03 <09hellmonk> lol the triple af_klown 21:03:24 <09hellmonk> fr bring this guy back 21:03:32 <09gammafunk> |amethyst: yeah, no problem, obviously said acrimony was directed towards some specific people, but it's not just my experience 21:03:48 <09gammafunk> oh was it af_klown 21:04:44 <09hellmonk> i'm just a smol bean waiting for someone to die to the new orc end 21:04:59 <|amethyst> I am reminded of: https://imgur.com/r/195/6aGwHqf 21:05:32 <|amethyst> (though am asheamed to quote 4chan) 21:06:02 it's been FIVE HOURS hellmonk ;) 21:06:19 <09gammafunk> don't get salty about it 21:07:14 <10PleasingFungus> love warwick’s random description 21:09:33 <10PleasingFungus> why don’t we have a desolation exclusive unique? i ask you 21:09:38 <|amethyst> LOL "ultraviolent"... "There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is Pete, Georgie, and Dim, Dim being really dim, and we sat in the Korova Milkbar making up our rasoodocks what to do with the evening" 21:09:47 <10PleasingFungus> classic 21:10:18 <10PleasingFungus> technically we have one desolation-referencing unique 21:10:19 <09hellmonk> deso unique should just be captain of the imperial myrmidon 21:10:35 <10PleasingFungus> i’m contemplating alt timeline zenata 21:10:41 <09hellmonk> hits to set your will to 0 and has a spell that does 100% mhp damag 21:10:45 <10PleasingFungus> lol 21:10:59 <10PleasingFungus> the math checks out 21:11:01 <09gammafunk> the name "imperial myrmidon" really annoyed minmay, I think something about how it doesn't make sense for a myrmidon to be imperial 21:11:12 <09hellmonk> yeah i remember that conversation 21:11:13 <09gammafunk> it was one of those minmay things 21:11:16 <10PleasingFungus> lol 21:12:00 <10PleasingFungus> myrmidons are one of dcss’s two references to classic Bungie title Myth: The Fallen Lords 21:12:15 <09gammafunk> wow 21:12:22 <10PleasingFungus> see, i cite prior work! :p 21:12:46 <09gammafunk> thought it was some legit Mesopotamian cultural thing 21:13:11 <10PleasingFungus> no sorry 21:13:20 <10PleasingFungus> just a word that i enjoy 21:14:04 <09gammafunk> "in Ovid's telling, the Myrmidons were simple worker ants on the island of Aegina."....possible tie-in monster that's part of team ant 21:14:19 <09hellmonk> you removed team ant already 21:14:20 <09gammafunk> guess team ant is already pretty strong these days due to nuspider 21:14:28 <09gammafunk> yeah they're team Beetle 21:14:30 <09hellmonk> there's only one ant left 21:14:39 <10PleasingFungus> and it’s dead! 21:14:40 <09hellmonk> and by left i mean it's the one i added 21:14:45 <09gammafunk> ah, I see 21:15:00 <10PleasingFungus> we killed all the ants and raised em from the dead 21:15:02 <10PleasingFungus> grim 21:16:54 <09gammafunk> probably made no new friends among roguelike traditionalists when we also moved insects (and remaining ant) off a to B 21:17:28 <09gammafunk> but this is a THOROUGHLY MODERN (console based) roguelike, get with the times people 21:17:43 <10PleasingFungus> oh no, not roguelike traditionalists! we’ll be hunted down by three of them 21:18:21 <10PleasingFungus> (whoops, missing ‘all’ flubbed the joke… rip me) 21:20:11 <09gammafunk> !lg * won current !tiles x=cdist(name) 21:20:14 <04Cerebot> 296 games for * (won current !tiles): cdist(name)=64 21:20:22 <09gammafunk> that's where you're wrong, there's dozens of us, dozens! 21:20:45 <10PleasingFungus> w o w 21:24:51 <|amethyst> speaking of Ancient (ok, TBF, Koine) Greek sci-fi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBpDdlirzH0&t=959s 21:27:55 <|amethyst> I feel like we can steal at least something from this work 21:30:37 <|amethyst> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_True_Story for those losers who prefer reading to watching videos 21:35:15 <10PleasingFungus> reading is ftw 21:35:33 <10PleasingFungus> ran into that one before; def approve of theft 21:40:54 <|amethyst> So, speaking of 'a' and 'B' and such 21:41:03 <|amethyst> I still feel like 't' should be split 21:41:25 <|amethyst> crabs and crocodilians... really? 21:42:42 <|amethyst> like, crustaceans, clearly more allied to insects than anything else we have; and crocodilians, the closest living things to birds 21:44:00 <10PleasingFungus> ??glyphs 21:44:02 <04Cerebot> glyphs[1/3]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 21:44:06 <10PleasingFungus> need to regen this 21:44:07 <10PleasingFungus> hm 21:44:33 <|amethyst> oh, and also testudines, the furthest-diverged reptiles that we currently have 21:44:36 <10PleasingFungus> not a ton of open space. someone keeps adding new monsters 21:44:37 <06advil> the other problem with citing crawl prior work is that 80% (higher?) of the time the thing you should cite is some like 10yo tavern post 21:45:11 <|amethyst> sadly, as I think I mentioned a few weeks ago, I have lost my access to that page 21:45:18 <09hellmonk> the gospel according to minmay 21:45:40 <|amethyst> though I think I can provide the generating script if anyone is interested 21:47:23 <|amethyst> advil: I have always tried, though I'm sure I have failed at points, to at least add a (username) annotation on my commits 21:50:45 <08nicolae> re: earlier discussion of credit, on the post where someone mentioned new stuff in trunk and included the mountain boots, there was a post along the lines of "oh this effect is already implemented in my branch" and i thought but did not post some rudeness 21:50:58 <08nicolae> they weren't demanding credit i don't think but i was like "well la de da" 21:51:03 <08nicolae> possibly with more cusses 21:56:22 <10PleasingFungus> |amethyst: isn’t the generating script linked there in the entry? 21:56:34 <10PleasingFungus> lol nicolae 21:56:58 <09gammafunk> I'll go ahead and say it, all of nicolae's stuff was based on my ideas 21:57:36 <09gammafunk> like alphabet shops, I thought of both the concepts of shops and the alphabet on my own, long beforehand 21:57:37 <08nicolae> yes but i did it with more style 21:57:44 <08nicolae> this is true 21:57:56 <08nicolae> gammafunk invented both shops and alphabets 21:58:05 <08nicolae> however, i came along and combined them 21:58:26 <09gammafunk> I'll always have util.random_subset or whatever that function is called 22:00:11 <08nicolae> that is a good function 22:02:42 <|amethyst> https://github.com/crawl/crawl-glyphs/ here is the script 22:04:20 <|amethyst> Hopefully someone can take over and do better than I have done recently 22:04:50 <09gammafunk> cool, thanks 22:06:31 <09gammafunk> obv the next step is javascript implementations of all the ETC colours 22:07:02 <|amethyst> you joke, but that would be awesome 22:07:20 <09gammafunk> yeah, I was just musing how it could somehow read the relevant headers to determine how to animate said colors 22:07:23 <09gammafunk> technically possible 22:07:53 <|amethyst> Sorry that it's in Perl 22:08:05 <|amethyst> I realise that's like a '90s language 22:08:38 <|amethyst> but it's still my go-to for scripting purposes, because (as perryprog pointed out) I'm an old 22:08:41 <09gammafunk> it's not too bad if someone wanted to rewrite in python, but yeah we still depend on a bunch of perl stuff 22:08:46 <|amethyst> feel free to rewrite it 22:10:52 <|amethyst> BTW, I remember, back in the early naughts, anxiously awaiting L. Wall's apocalyses, and D. Conway's exegesis 22:11:18 <|amethyst> Sad to see that didn't exactly work out the same way that Python 2000 did 22:12:52 <08nicolae> also: i am planning to tweak the mountain boots' name slightly (boots of the Mountain) and rephrase the brand description slightly to be more explicit: DBRAND: It prevents involuntary movement from external forces, except for blinking, teleportation, and banishment. (it's not as wordy as the one PF -- correctly -- decided to cut, but it's more specific and precise enough to assuage my compulsions) 22:14:39 <|amethyst> @nicolae Hopefully you can find a better designator than rDislodge 22:15:02 <08nicolae> i haven't thought of one, though i'm open to suggestions 22:15:47 <|amethyst> Yeah, same here 22:17:22 <08nicolae> i thought of a lot of things but i didn't want to use: anything that was used in other contexts already in crawl (like "stable", which is used a lot in descriptions of tloc effects), anything that might suggest you're prevented from flying (like "grounded"), anything that might suggest it has other effects that it doesn't, etc. 22:18:13 <10PleasingFungus> hm 22:19:01 <10PleasingFungus> cut from external forces 22:19:07 <10PleasingFungus> redundant 22:19:28 <08nicolae> maybe it'll just have to be one of those things where the description will have to fill in the blanks and if somebody thinks the adjective i use implies, like, extra Will+ then they'll just have to be disappointed 22:19:33 <10PleasingFungus> lol 22:19:39 <|amethyst> fair enough 22:19:56 <10PleasingFungus> why rename? (item) 22:21:23 <08nicolae> i like the "of the" version more, tbh, but shortened it at the last minute so i wouldn't have to figure out what the enum would end up being, but at the time i was tired and forgot you can specify them explicitly 22:23:46 <08nicolae> how do we feel about "steadfast" instead of "rDislodge" 22:26:12 <10PleasingFungus> sure 22:26:30 <10PleasingFungus> im reviewing loch btw 22:30:11 <08nicolae> i hope it's okay so far....... 22:34:17 <09gammafunk> to be honest, it's a bit of a reach 22:36:25 <08nicolae> can't be more of a reach than rift, and that made it in alright 22:38:52 03nicolae02 07* 0.29-a0-650-g8101c4d66a: Make some cosmetic changes to the mountain boots 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8101c4d66a15 22:47:34 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-650-g8101c4d66a (34) 23:18:03 <12ebering> @|amethyst I think the issue was covered pretty well by everyone else 23:20:39 <12ebering> I’ll add that shortly after I joined the team (during the landing of positional magic) the bcrawl philosophy document had a paragraph added targeting me in particular with rudeness. I haven’t looked at the repo since (though looking now the philosophy was updated to not have that anymore) 23:25:33 <10PleasingFungus> lol 23:25:44 <10PleasingFungus> i mean sorry, that sucks, but also 23:25:49 <10PleasingFungus> what a ridiculous thing for them to do 23:52:41 <|amethyst> @ebering fair enough... apparently I missed a lot of stuff in the past few years 23:53:19 <|amethyst> @ebering apparently things descended after my time 23:59:04 <10PleasingFungus> // The lochaber axe trains both polearms and axes. For now, // train both skills equally until a better formula is found. @nicolae can you explain why? 23:59:07 <12ebering> Yeah, things seem to have quieted down for the most part, thankfully 23:59:32 <10PleasingFungus> this is just autotraining. why are you making a huge complicated formula instead of using the default, which should be whichever is higher? 23:59:36 <10PleasingFungus> it seems strictly wrong to train both