02:38:38 <Cbrotell> Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.28-a0-425-gd0eccab798 (34)
03:34:37 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4369-gf34790d913
03:53:48 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.03-655-gcdc55d29ad
04:17:49 -!- allbery_b is now known as geekosaur
06:24:40 <Lantell> Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4369-gf34790d913
08:00:11 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> wendigo
08:00:11 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/885494792451145778/Schermata_2021-09-09_alle_13.59.42.png
08:00:25 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/885494854682034176/Wendigo.png
08:17:31 <perryprog> So cute
08:17:35 <perryprog> Wendigo plushy when?
08:53:48 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> Now that i’m seeing him, is Mlioglotl tile a placeholder? I see that shares the lower “body” of a thrashing horror
08:54:07 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> I like the mouth tho
08:54:48 <Discord|> <12e​bering> It was made by the submitter
08:55:05 <Discord|> <12e​bering> !lg * ckiller~mlio
08:55:05 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> Broken query near '~mlio'
08:55:25 <Discord|> <12e​bering> !lg * ckiller~~mlio
08:55:27 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> 1. whitenoisemaker the Bludgeoner (L16 DrBe of Trog), demolished by Mlioglotl on Spider:1 on 2021-09-06 16:10:31, with 138348 points after 33396 turns and 0:58:45.
08:55:36 <Discord|> <12e​bering> He got one!!
08:56:03 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> His first victim😋
08:56:40 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> I’m still trying to catch up with those updates sorry
10:41:53 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> when do they call it wendigo when you wendy go the cold food wendy go hot eat the food
10:47:08 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-426-gda42bb4400: Wendigo tile (Sastreii) 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/da42bb44003d
11:03:53 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-426-gda42bb4400 (34)
12:09:21 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> Nargun. this one took me a lot of time, more than i was expecting
12:09:22 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/885557501628661760/Schermata_2021-09-09_alle_18.07.51.png
12:09:28 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/885557529504022568/Nargun.png
12:12:52 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> i had no idea what a nargun looked like before but that is absolutely 112% a nargun
12:12:57 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> that rules
12:16:00 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> i had no idea neither, the description is pretty generic, i just used the line "veins of ice permeate it's frozen stone flesh"
12:16:29 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> extremely cool
12:16:50 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> i guess it's cool and it rocks too
12:17:04 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> :PlogChamp:
12:17:54 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> Now draw nargun with a gun
12:19:01 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> Nargungun, a unique that shoots narguns at you
12:33:58 <Pinkbeast> "it's frozen stone flesh" anyone know if that typo's in the game?
12:34:38 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> Whops no my mistake
12:35:01 <Pinkbeast> Nah, that's the good answer, now I don't have to report it and no-one has to fix it :-)
13:06:43 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.28-a0-426-gda42bb4 (34)
13:25:45 <perryprog> Nargun plushy when?
13:32:01 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> ok
13:32:01 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/885578302797021234/Schermata_2021-09-09_alle_19.31.21.png
13:32:52 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> "freeze!"
13:39:11 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> Beautiful
13:39:48 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> bellissimo
13:43:03 <perryprog> <3
14:09:46 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-427-g6657d4870c: Nargun tile (Sastreii) 10(20 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6657d4870c6e
14:13:56 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-428-gb8cf3755b2: Don't quiver Ignis abilities (various) 10(31 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b8cf3755b21f
14:18:06 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-428-gb8cf3755b2 (34)
14:19:12 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-429-g1448048969: Turn down Hell effects 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1448048969dc
14:22:28 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> @ebering feel free to revert 1448048969 if you prefer
14:27:36 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> hash has all decimal digits, nice
14:31:23 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> @PleasingFungus re b8cf3755b2, for everything except donate gold it might be better to remove those from the default fire order, which will prevent any autoquivering, but still show them in the Q menu
14:31:57 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> and maybe revivify
14:33:04 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-429-g1448048969 (34)
14:38:18 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> sure that seems reasonable
14:38:43 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> thanks!
15:48:00 <Discord|> <05k​ate> i wonder if the contam hell effect would feel better just as direct (but less frequent) malmutation
15:48:29 <Discord|> <05k​ate> since having it now be able to often roll under yellow contam means it just won't do anything a bunch of the time
15:51:40 <Discord|> <05k​ate> previously it'd almost always be yellow contam and then you can either spend !cancellation and hope to remove enough of it to not get mutated, or wait it off and occasionally get lucky, or get unlucky and be mutated
15:53:06 <Discord|> <05k​ate> so just doing direct malmutation skips a bunch of steps there, seems like it fits better into "bad things will happen to you in hell and you can't avoid them" rather than "maybe you'll get lucky!"
15:56:45 <Discord|> <05k​ate> if we really wanted to be generous they could be more frequent but transient mutations, since the other hell effects are also curable with xp gain, but imo should definitely then also do xp-less abyss and ??? some mystery big pan fix
15:58:56 <Discord|> <05k​ate> (either way my main point is that the new toned-down contam isn't a good hell effect)
16:06:18 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> right, I was sort of wondering if the strategic mutation cost is even a fundamentally interesting one. There's so much inherent randomness to the impact of any one mutation, and a tax against your mutation potions to remove the impactful ones doesn't feel particularly meaningful. Hell does seem a good place to have an aggressive progress clock, but I don't know that mutations are the best type of cost. Games that have a really nice
16:06:19 <Discord|> aggressive clock (Cogmind and Infra Arcana come to mind) are pretty carefully and systematically balanced around the clock in terms of what the costs are and how you can mitigate it. If we want a good one for hell, might need something a little less arbitrary
16:06:45 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> but direct malmutate might work a bit better for now compared to contam
16:08:38 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> I guess we do have a mix of different xp-gated effects and it's not all malmutate/contam
16:09:22 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> so maybe just malmutate as a less frequent one is actually fine if the xp-gated ones are well tunded
16:11:17 <Discord|> <05k​ate> yeah, we do also have support for things like flagging a specific set of mutations, so could do something like pick out ones that would be good for hell effects to inflict
16:23:25 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> hrm, could be interesting
16:23:40 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> guess the only complication is having to somehow describe to the player what most effects might be
16:25:55 <perryprog> This is a rougelike, though—as a new player coming into this game, I expect that to be taught by trial and error. The way you "level up" through multiple games is experience.
16:26:30 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> hell-only mutations. all bad. like you lose your helmet slot but don't even get a bonus out of it. your head gets weird knobbly growths. the end. no moral.
16:27:19 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> this isn't a roguelike that likes to deny you information need to make decisions
16:27:27 <perryprog> ... true
16:27:37 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> we don't encourage that level of trial an error, show monster details, damage values etc
16:27:49 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> it can be a grey area as to what's necessary/not necessary
16:28:03 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> but to some degree the hell effect descriptions will need to indicate what the effects might be
16:28:59 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> otherwise you'd be expected to enter gehenna to see that you can't read scrolls, etc. Many players will do just that, but it's nice that those who think to look up the branch can learn this information before they enter
16:29:19 <perryprog> Maybe an Orb-esque status effect that's vaguely explained in the @-output?
16:29:19 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> other games take an approach far closer to "try it and see, or go read spoilers"
16:29:40 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> well, no, the issue isn't where you show that info, but how/what you show
16:29:56 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> you can look up branch info in-game
16:30:12 <perryprog> I totally knew that
16:30:17 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> it's in theory possible to show a status like Orb, though; just not something that we currently do
16:30:35 <perryprog> (How do you do that?)
16:30:37 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> arguably a better interface since players might look that status up whereas they might not look up branch information
16:30:41 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> ?/
16:30:44 <perryprog> :O
16:30:55 <perryprog> Literally never knew that was an option
16:31:13 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> branch-themed malmutations that aren't cleared up until you get the rune for that branch
16:31:21 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> dang
16:31:27 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> nicolae with the hard hits
16:31:35 <perryprog> I like that
16:31:49 <perryprog> Uncurable by mutation potions too?
16:32:26 <perryprog> Although could result in unwinnable runes if you get to Cocytus:3 and have every bad mutation in the book
16:32:40 <perryprog> But I don't have experience with this part of crawl endgame so I should shut
16:32:40 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> maybe if you cure a Hellmutation you just get another one from that branch's options
16:33:01 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> i dunno, i thought about it for like ten seconds before posting
16:39:01 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> !lg devteamnp won urune=15 s=name
16:39:04 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> 252 games for devteamnp (won urune=15): 54x 78291, 24x MarvinPA, 13x Sage, 13x evilmike, 12x Medar, 11x itsmu, 11x gammafunk, 10x elliptic, 9x pointless, 8x KiloByte, 8x HangedMan, 8x Lasty, 7x PleasingFungus, 7x rob, 7x doy, 6x Hellmonk, 6x dying5ever, 5x sorear, 4x wormsofcant, 4x Brannock, 4x advil, 4x amalloy, 3x SGrunt, 3x semitonal, 2x felirx, 2x ontoclasm, 2x erisdiscordia, dpeg, wormsofca...
16:39:23 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> looks like kate is our top 15 rune expert
16:39:46 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> I should just get 3 more so I can clock in at 3rd place
16:39:58 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> ...wait
16:39:58 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> get 4 more
16:40:02 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> then you can have 15 15 rune games
16:40:07 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> tru
16:40:11 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> and where is ebering?
16:40:23 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i'm surprised i have even 7 tbh
16:40:29 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> aha
16:40:34 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> !lg * devteamnp won urune=15 s=name
16:40:35 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> No keyword 'devteamnp'
16:40:46 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> !lg devteamnp won urune=15 s=name
16:40:46 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> !lg ebering urune=15
16:40:48 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> 252 games for devteamnp (won urune=15): 54x 78291, 24x MarvinPA, 13x Sage, 13x evilmike, 12x Medar, 11x itsmu, 11x gammafunk, 10x elliptic, 9x pointless, 8x KiloByte, 8x HangedMan, 8x Lasty, 7x PleasingFungus, 7x rob, 7x doy, 6x Hellmonk, 6x dying5ever, 5x sorear, 4x wormsofcant, 4x Brannock, 4x advil, 4x amalloy, 3x SGrunt, 3x semitonal, 2x felirx, 2x ontoclasm, 2x erisdiscordia, dpeg, wormsofca...
16:40:49 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> No games for ebering (urune=15).
16:41:02 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> hrm....but I know he has some
16:41:07 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> weird
16:41:18 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> !hs ebering
16:41:19 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> 422. ebering the Hoplite (L27 HuDe of Gozag), escaped with the Orb and 6 runes on 2021-08-10 18:14:10, with 4249690 points after 68269 turns and 4:57:44.
16:41:22 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> huh
16:41:45 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> well fitting that he's the person behind hell reform then, devs don't play, etc etc
18:23:35 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.28-a0-429-g1448048969 (34)
23:25:21 <Cheibriados> New branch created: familyspider (8 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/familyspider
23:25:21 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 07[familyspider] * 0.28-a0-423-g712b392184: feat: rework demonic crawlers 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 10+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/712b39218445
23:25:21 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 07[familyspider] * 0.28-a0-424-gd060448a21: feat: Pharaoh Ants 10(2 days ago, 8 files, 48+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d060448a21ec
23:25:21 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 07[familyspider] * 0.28-a0-425-gc76b7612e2: Change tarantella attack verb 10(2 days ago, 4 files, 6+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c76b7612e21c
23:25:21 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 07[familyspider] * 0.28-a0-426-g58327698b8: buff orb spiders 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/58327698b845
23:25:21 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 07[familyspider] * 0.28-a0-427-gab6c8f78e3: feat: steelbarb worms 10(25 hours ago, 6 files, 22+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab6c8f78e36f
23:25:21 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 07[familyspider] * 0.28-a0-428-g2c54d32c5c: feat: miner bees 10(24 hours ago, 6 files, 21+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2c54d32c5cfa
23:25:21 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 07[familyspider] * 0.28-a0-429-g11f6df8d48: feat: Jorogumo 10(23 hours ago, 8 files, 35+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/11f6df8d4890
23:25:21 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 07[familyspider] * 0.28-a0-430-g6973210e09: feat: broodmothers 10(5 minutes ago, 17 files, 122+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6973210e0940
23:43:53 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08familyspider @ 6973210e 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/1219825124