01:34:26 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1154-gfdeffcb720 (34)
01:55:16 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1154-gfdeffcb720
02:20:25 <Cbrotell> Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1154-gfdeffcb720 (34)
02:49:31 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/1953 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1953
02:49:32 <Cheibriados> 03dilly02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1953 * 0.27-a0-1155-g5ccbfc7: WJC Sifu names change 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5ccbfc73503b
02:53:45 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1154-gfdeffcb720
03:31:02 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4135-g7666618ddd
08:42:55 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> so, to start with I propose archiving all cao ttyrecs from 2016 and earlier, with more of an announcement period for people to download some if they want
09:31:32 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> also, 2013 is completely off cao and currently only on my backup drive; lmk if someone wants some or all of it or has hosting thoughts (but I really don't think it's worth hosting myself, so maybe won't take further action unless prompted)
10:06:18 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> can we toss them in s3 somewhere?
10:13:15 <advil> if you'd like to, I can send them to you!
10:13:18 <advil> I will not though
10:15:23 <advil> 2013-2016 will be about 400GB of data
10:15:41 <advil> 2013 alone is 74G iirc
10:23:05 <advil> hm the aws calculator estimates about 9.20 per month for storage in S3 standard for 400GB
10:23:19 <advil> anyways, I will put my own money for morgues but not ttyrecs
10:24:32 <advil> if you're interested in keeping them working with footv, I believe it needs directory listings (not sure what the constraints are on that for S3)
10:33:51 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> glacier is less than 10% of that, i think?
10:34:51 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i’ve never used glacier tho
10:34:51 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> so idk how much of a pita it is
10:34:51 <advil> I guess, my question would be, what is the use case you have in mind?
10:34:51 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> glacier not particularly usable in terms of footv lookups, probably
10:34:59 <advil> yeah, it has a time lag on accessing it I believe
10:35:40 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> does feel like there’s some kind of historical value for these tvs
10:35:52 <advil> there are definitely cheaper things than S3 that would allow access (backblaze for example, though the directory listing thing is an issue)
10:36:18 <advil> I ask this as someone who is married to an art conservator who I've actually discussed this very issue with: what is the historical value? :-)
10:52:32 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> I think in my discussions with her I've concluded that the closest analogue is ephemera (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemera), which there often is some historical value in saving that's a bit hard to predict -- but they're basically impossible to save exhaustively for various reasons and so the art world generally doesn't try to deal with them in advance
10:54:29 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> can think of a few use cases
10:54:59 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> looking at old 'funny deaths' entries, looking at weird outliers in sequell queries and trying to figure out how they happened when the morgue doesn't give enough context
10:56:56 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> by that i mean "these are some things i've been sad about when old ttyrecs weren't available"
10:57:12 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> former is much easier to support than the latter
10:58:26 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> yeah, I also feel like exhaustive archiving is not the solution to the former
10:59:10 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> latter is maybe too niche and hard to predict to support
10:59:21 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> how far back do you find yourself doing the latter?
10:59:37 <Pinkbeast> From now couldn't the bots track how often any given ttyrec has been footv-ed?
10:59:50 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> I would have thought that is mostly for more recent games
11:00:00 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> they do track that
11:01:35 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> there's no automated way that currently exists to do any sort of selective downloading or automatic delete protection with that info though
11:08:54 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> as a side note someone who cares should figure out a better filename format than like 2019-11-03.19:11:50.ttyrec.bz2
11:17:06 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1155-gff078d5: Simplify GDR 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ff078d554e3f
11:17:31 <Cheibriados> Branch pull/1902 updated to be equal with master: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1902
11:17:49 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> pretty rarely
11:19:04 <Pinkbeast> advil: I was thinking more of "delete anything never footved and older than X"
11:22:02 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> yeah that ought to be possible but actually getting it to happen would need a fair bit of work I think
11:24:51 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> minimally something to actually extract that info from sequell in a way that can feed a script, not sure it can be practically done via the irc interface
11:30:35 <Discord|> <03w​heals> it's really unfortunate for that purpose that the ntv statistic got reset
11:32:29 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1155-gff078d554e (34)
11:34:31 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> I'm definitely not going to delete any data that I do archive so it would be very easily to selectively restore stuff as well
11:38:43 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> (at least for anything I do in the near future)
11:45:25 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1156-gc4ce80c: WIP 10(13 minutes ago, 3 files, 9+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c4ce80cea6b4
11:45:25 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1157-g40ce562: New wizlab tiles (Sastreii) 10(53 seconds ago, 13 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/40ce562a0f24
11:46:15 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i meant to forget to squash those
11:46:20 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> that was part of my plan
12:14:21 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1157-g40ce562a0f (34)
13:20:17 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1157-g40ce562 (34)
14:20:25 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1158-gaa87e14: DRR AC GDR (hellmonk) 10(51 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aa87e14f67fc
14:32:56 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1158-gaa87e14f67 (34)
16:27:22 <Henzell> Manslay (L10 DECj) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1979: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Abyss:2)
18:23:48 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.27-a0-1158-gaa87e14f67 (34)