01:28:14 New branch created: really_spicy_d (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/really_spicy_d 01:28:14 03PleasingFungus02 07[really_spicy_d] * 0.27-a0-706-g820c1b4: WIP: Make D spawn tables more sane 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 62+ 57-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/820c1b413c75 02:01:56 <03‡※, purgatory transplant> while it's a bit further than the branches thus adjusted there, shifting D reminds me of my plans for Orc to addressed how crunched-down it became, which was to make the branch have "spill-over" and use all the non-end vaults as a serial vault on the entrance level 02:02:48 <03‡※, purgatory transplant> (with D spawns amongst the orcs in said vaults to help make it not completely bland) 02:03:49 <03‡※, purgatory transplant> (possibly with, possibly without also limiting the layout options on said floor to be bubblish) 02:17:29 <12ebering> @‡※, purgatory transplant re salamander tyrants, I went digging in the archaeology and the old "localized ignite poison" was removed because it rarely did something. The commit message was that it was outshone by the other blasty conjurations but that consideration wasn't in the dev log. I do worry that it definitely won't do something for Salamanders spawning in depths, who aren't going to be 02:17:30 near a bunch of snakes. 02:18:59 <12ebering> so what do you think about the following meditation on restricting player movement while not being a melee bruiser: deep-elfish defenses, spells are a weakening gaze, upheaval but only the lava one that places temporary lava terrain, and eruption which does (magma or fire) flavor damage if the player is adjacent to lava? 02:19:30 <12ebering> (do agree that nagaraja shouldn't be carrying the torch alone) 02:34:48 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-705-ga0013940fb (34) 02:38:47 <03‡※, purgatory transplant> snakefolk continue to be budget draconians? :P 02:38:47 <12ebering> some order or phylum level affinities 🙂 02:40:33 <03‡※, purgatory transplant> (by itself it sounds solid, but I'm not sure how well the guardian serpent blink-allies-encircling, though I guess the end vaults themselves could spawn more of one or the other) 02:43:13 <03‡※, purgatory transplant> outside of such a concern I'd worry a little bit in some ways about three unique spells, but I guess there's already multiple monsters that strike through terrain-adjacency / debuff-gaze plus the aforementioned stormcaller upheaval, so, I guess I will thumbs up 02:45:49 <03‡※, purgatory transplant> @PleasingFungus why are there quokkas in sewers, is this my punishment for not actually finishing up my brain feed revision -> brain worm revival -> sewer overhaul efforts 02:48:57 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.27-a0-705-ga0013940fb (34) 02:56:23 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-705-ga0013940fb 03:31:16 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4053-g610ae06132 03:32:29 <08wormsofcan> quokkas have replaced all geckos iirc 03:32:50 <08wormsofcan> oh you're replying to the commit 03:36:48 03WhiteShark02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1837 * 0.27-a0-682-gfe1afd4: Update to Blade Hands description 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 23+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fe1afd48c275 03:39:34 Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.03-209-g9306b1b961 03:42:38 03WhiteShark02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1837 * 0.27-a0-682-g33f9cec: Update to Blade Hands description 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 23+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/33f9cec4123e 03:48:28 03Aliscans02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1839 * 0.27-a0-688-ge36b66f: Change a comment to show the power of the warlock's mirror correctly. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e36b66fb531b 03:54:17 New branch created: pull/1843 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1843 03:54:17 03Aliscans02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1843 * 0.27-a0-706-gb05c752: Make autoexplore/travel wait for barbs to time out. 10(26 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b05c75286fb5 03:54:34 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-705-ga0013940fb 04:17:36 03WhiteShark02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1837 * 0.27-a0-682-g2bcf6f5: Update to Blade Hands description 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 23+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2bcf6f522235 04:47:26 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 08:11:07 djinn and ash is an interesting interaction 09:28:05 ??djinn 09:28:06 djinn ~ djinni[1/2]: Experimental race that casts with HP instead of MP and learns spells randomly with XL instead of from books. Likes a warm sweater. Playable on {cdi}. 09:30:36 !learn edit djinn s/\{cdi\}./{cdi}: register there and click the "Djinn Species" link in the bottom row of the game list./ 09:30:36 I don't have a page labeled djinn[1] in my learndb. 09:30:45 !learn edit djinni[1] s/\{cdi\}./{cdi}: register there and click the "Djinn Species" link in the bottom row of the game list./ 09:30:45 djinni[1/2]: Experimental race that casts with HP instead of MP and learns spells randomly with XL instead of from books. Likes a warm sweater. Playable on {cdi}: register there and click the "Djinn Species" link in the bottom row of the game list. 10:28:18 <10PleasingFungus> quokkas are basically big rats. 10:36:40 New branch created: pull/1845 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1845 10:36:41 03Goratrix02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1845 * 0.27-a0-706-gb29eedf: Supress a compiler warning on Windows 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b29eedf3c73f 10:42:47 <10PleasingFungus> oh, if you have time, do you mind glancing at https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fe1b84c61a9f0fd38c0254422800bd644051bfab#diff-7b0376389e12c38fa5a0b18b28e11fc1c05a1a1e9bf8f367087bd7ab0120c6d1R4583 ? not 100% confident in my changes there 11:12:56 <12ebering> @PleasingFungus did newslime on my ash felid 11:13:09 <12ebering> Rockslimes are spook 11:13:22 <12ebering> Quicksilver less so 11:15:09 <10PleasingFungus> sounds right 11:15:15 <10PleasingFungus> quicksilver are supposed to be a lower tier 11:25:47 03PleasingFungus02 07[smokeless] * 0.27-a0-740-g32c5dc9: Fix dj flight autoexplore 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/32c5dc90f1da 11:26:05 Branch pull/1840 updated to be equal with smokeless: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1840 11:29:59 <12ebering> Thinking about implementing salamander tyrants as sketched above and merging the snake changes tonight absent any hangons 11:30:34 <10PleasingFungus> no one will stop you 11:30:36 <10PleasingFungus> you have the true power 11:30:52 <10PleasingFungus> perhaps the third 'high level salamander with a cool name' will be the charm 11:31:03 <10PleasingFungus> @advil got time to chat about dec_mp? 11:32:09 <10PleasingFungus> > It still seems like a fair amount of working around the pay vs dec distinction in this patch... i feel like i'm missing something here - i don't understand what you mean by this. what extra work is being added by using pay_mp? 11:33:09 03PleasingFungus02 07[smokeless] * 0.27-a0-741-g565bae0: Merge float & footless 10(29 seconds ago, 4 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/565bae0e1695 11:33:27 Branch pull/1840 updated to be equal with smokeless: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1840 11:33:41 for example, the ability code special casing for the hp casting mut wouldn't be needed at all, I think 11:34:52 <10PleasingFungus> advil: did you see my comment about that? we need the special casing so that we display hp costs correctly in descriptions, and so that we support abilities with both mp and hp costs 11:36:04 <10PleasingFungus> dec_mp is extremely irrelevant there - if that were the only issue, we could simply change it to pay_mp (and maybe we should anyway, for consistency? would have to think about finalizing costs then, though) 11:36:23 I think my comment boils down to, pay_mp vs dec_mp seems kind of confusing as someone reading the PR 11:37:40 and now that I've looked at the drain code, I can also add that drain_mp vs dec_mp seems less confusing 11:40:48 <10PleasingFungus> i'm happy to add a drain_mp and leave dec_mp as a static helper function 11:44:26 03PleasingFungus02 07[smokeless] * 0.27-a0-742-gafbb489: Wrap you.hp changes 10(30 seconds ago, 4 files, 19+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/afbb489cf67e 11:44:43 Branch pull/1840 updated to be equal with smokeless: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1840 11:52:24 03PleasingFungus02 07[smokeless] * 0.27-a0-743-ge5fac49: Add drain_mp() 10(43 seconds ago, 9 files, 18+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e5fac4919b4d 11:52:40 Branch pull/1840 updated to be equal with smokeless: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1840 11:57:41 03PleasingFungus02 07[smokeless] * 0.27-a0-744-g4453056: Fix the build 10(21 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/44530568df53 11:57:59 Branch pull/1840 updated to be equal with smokeless: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1840 12:04:25 03PleasingFungus02 07[smokeless] * 0.27-a0-745-g0047cc6: Boolify 10(46 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0047cc60fc1f 12:04:43 Branch pull/1840 updated to be equal with smokeless: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1840 12:05:19 03PleasingFungus02 07[smokeless] * 0.27-a0-746-gbee818e: Improve MP assumptions 10(47 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bee818e2e3f8 12:05:37 Branch pull/1840 updated to be equal with smokeless: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1840 12:06:01 <10PleasingFungus> hm, how do we feel about removing the yred ban on nonliving? 12:06:09 <10PleasingFungus> it's a weird restriction 12:07:58 <08nicolae> it's flavorful, i guess, but maybe there's some other deity who could care more about that 12:10:14 <12ebering> you'll summon the ghost of linley 12:10:40 <08nicolae> i didn't even know he'd died 😔 12:11:43 <12ebering> he didn't but he also has a ghost 12:11:43 <12ebering> eldritch powers or something 12:11:56 <10PleasingFungus> is this like one of those developer high score ghosts 12:12:02 <10PleasingFungus> follow him around the track 12:14:54 <08nicolae> it's like that one episode of what we do in the shadows where the vampires realize they're technically dead and that they have ghosts of themselves from when they became vampires 12:15:04 <08nicolae> uh, spoilers i guess 12:36:33 <05kate> i'd be all for removing it, the flavour doesn't really land. it's not a linley thing either, it's a stone soup addition 12:36:50 <12ebering> oh, rip 12:37:02 <05kate> it started out even more complicated as just being "artificial" beings, which were a subset of nonliving 12:37:10 <05kate> %git 147fa4f2495976018fe7b0552588224296fb7164 12:37:11 <04Cerebot> dolorous * 0.8.0-a0-1564-g147fa4f: Let Yred take kills of artificial beings. (10 years ago, 12 files, 94+ 12-) https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/147fa4f24959 12:38:26 <05kate> probably fine to just remove the prevention on nonliving worshippers, in the same way that gods who like you killing the living still let you worship if you're alive 12:38:46 <10PleasingFungus> sounds good 12:38:53 <10PleasingFungus> !hs * grdk 12:38:55 <04Cerebot> 13. gammafunk the Petrodigitator (L27 GrDK of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2013-06-02 14:19:32, with 2159344 points after 139579 turns and 18:23:15. 12:39:08 <10PleasingFungus> this remains safe... 12:39:14 <03wheals> !hs * gr yred 12:39:15 <04Cerebot> 13. 78291 the Wrestler (L27 GrDK of Yredelemnul), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-05-31 15:40:32, with 1478518 points after 92378 turns and 5:23:39. 12:39:28 <10PleasingFungus> dang, zipcode hs 12:39:32 <03wheals> perhaps the ghost of n7 will come back to haunt us 12:39:34 <10PleasingFungus> that’s some nostalgia 12:39:52 <03wheals> (he also has a developer high score ghost despite being alive) 12:40:53 <10PleasingFungus> worrying trend 13:30:10 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.27-a0-705-ga001394 (34) 14:04:07 what's the procedure for building from source and testing these days? I don't see anything about that in the readme or contrib guide 14:04:56 <12ebering> it's in INSTALL.md 14:05:39 <12ebering> !source INSTALL.md 14:05:40 <04Cerebot> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.md 14:08:26 <08nicolae> "testing" is just another way to say "admitting cowardice" 14:08:36 don't encourage me :P either to test or to contribute 14:10:43 <12ebering> wcrawl when 14:14:44 you joke, but I abruptly decided that it's time to start upstreaming wcrawl features, prepare your PR-holes 14:16:20 even git itself is trying to stop me, the `git submodule update --init` is failing with errors I've never seen before 14:17:22 04Build failed for 08smokeless @ e5fac491 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/676617823 14:22:39 yeah getting the submodules is just entirely broken, not sure if that's just github's fault 14:23:24 Wensley: I really wouldn't touch the submodules at all, just install the relevant packages directly. 14:24:26 well, I'm foolishly attempting to build this on a mac, where the instructions tell me outright to use submodules and where I'm betting half the things I need aren't even in homebrew :P I could just build this on my linux vps, I guess, but I shudder at the thought of the compile time... 14:24:27 the submodules are more for windows, yeh 14:24:45 I am pretty sure they're all in brew. I know they're in macports 14:24:54 because I built it that way for some years 14:31:47 we're just going to play the game where I compile and install things until it works 14:31:47 I've installed zlib from homebrew but now I need to figure out how to get crawl to search for it properly 14:32:01 I swear I wouldn't be using a mac if I didn't get it for free 14:32:18 on a mac you should use submodules 14:32:26 haha 14:32:26 not native packages 14:32:58 submodules aren't working currently, every single submodule times out when you try to clone it 14:33:55 I suppose I could clone them all manually, though I'm not sure why git clone works when git submodule update chokes 14:33:59 if you really want to try using pkgconfig you'll need to pass FORCE_PKGCONFIG=y to the make command, it's not tested though 14:34:09 I only added because some downstream packagers seem to want it 14:36:45 Wensley: submodules are working fine for me 14:37:37 did you go `git sobmodule init`? 14:37:37 er 14:37:37 `git submodule init`? 14:37:46 the init part worked fine, the update fails 14:38:09 Cloning into '/Users/bapple/Code/crawl/crawl-ref/source/contrib/fonts'... 14:38:09 fatal: read error: Operation timed out 14:38:10 fatal: clone of 'git://github.com/crawl/crawl-fonts' into submodule path '/Users/bapple/Code/crawl/crawl-ref/source/contrib/fonts' failed 14:38:41 every single submodule does this. and it's not transient, I've been retrying for half an hour now 14:38:55 well, I guess try again? like I said, worked fine for me just now 14:38:59 cloning manually works 14:39:17 submodule update is still failing on my end 14:40:47 is it possible that the native git protocol is firewalled? 14:41:38 port 9418 maybe 14:44:39 if you edit .gitmodules to use the https links for each repo, it might skip any firewall issues (e.g change git://github.com/crawl/crawl-sdl2 to https://github.com/crawl/crawl-sdl2.git, etc) 14:47:44 I just clone a different github project and got all its submodules without a problem. went back to the crawl repo and still having the same problem 14:49:15 <12ebering> whats that project? 14:49:15 <12ebering> what's in their .gitmodules? 14:49:15 https://github.com/rust-lang/rust 14:49:15 <12ebering> yes 14:49:19 I checked their .gitmodules vs yours, nothing jumped out as different 14:49:24 <12ebering> their .gitmodules file uses https:// urls 14:49:38 oh wait, i see, yes 14:49:54 but why would firewall issues only prevent submodule update and not clone? 14:50:19 <12ebering> what was your clone invocation 14:50:23 <12ebering> the root one for the crawl repo 14:50:55 <06‡※ of the eleventh circle> well.... * _wu_jian_five_deadly_venoms should not be using a spectral demonic centipede behind glass in the first place, it should be some sort of bee or spider * _arrival_zoo_common should just cut the quokka entirely from a slot that's supposed to have lizards innit * _lizard_king is now full of random dungeon monsters, because you put said king in the plant slot and then 14:50:56 never adjusted plants down to the plant slot 14:51:18 ah I see, it was `git clone https://github.com/crawl/crawl.git`, I just copied it out of install.md rather than using the github link like I normally would 14:51:29 <12ebering> aha! 14:52:06 though I'm still not sure why that would cause a problem, I can clone from both https and git protocols manually 14:52:34 <06‡※ of the eleventh circle> (also it took me until I was actually going to sleep to realize I partially got these poor geckos killed myself because I gave the quokkas those identical stats when I was cutting grey rats) 14:55:04 <12ebering> hm, but if you edit the .gitmodules file for the crawl repo to use https:// do the submodules work? 14:55:54 tried blowing away the repo and re-clone over git, that didn't change anything. blew it away again and tried it with https:// submodules and now it all works 14:56:07 want this as a PR? :P 14:57:47 <12ebering> git:// submodules works for me; probably best practices say we should use https:// instead but I'm not a good software architect 14:58:00 <12ebering> so sure! 15:02:09 floraline_: question, how do you do your sectioned lobby header so that it's grouped by latest+trunk / clickable expander for old version / forks+experimentals? 15:02:42 I see there's a separator option in the config data, so you could try to put a in that, but there's not really a good way to close it 15:03:09 also not 100% sure how the separator is used; the alternative is to change the logic in the lobby template so it's not a simple loop over the available games 15:04:04 or I guess you could just put all the game links directly in your lobby banner and not have the lobby template programmaticaly make the links 15:06:26 New branch created: pull/1846 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1846 15:06:26 03bstrie02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1846 * 0.27-a0-706-gebd867a: Use https rather than git protocol for submodules 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ebd867a0eef3 15:06:43 ebering does your SSH key not have a passphrase? mine does, and even though I have git configured to use my keyring on clone maybe it's not smart enough to also use it on submodules? 15:07:32 <12ebering> It shouldn't be using ssh for the native git:// protocol? 15:07:43 <12ebering> (Tbh I'm not the best person to ask for these things) 15:07:45 that'd be done without the protocol (git clone git@github.com:...) 15:08:20 or protocol ssh+git: 15:09:07 ahhh I see, I always assumed git: was just re-branded ssh 15:12:33 in that case, if git:// is completely unencrypted, then yes, using https:// seems strictly better 15:12:33 yes 15:24:13 -!- Psymania_ is now known as Psymania 15:27:39 gammafunk I've asked this before and the answer answer is an ...impressive...use of the separator field (doesn't need to be closed in one if it's closed somewhere!): https://github.com/floraline/dgamelaunch-config/blob/cko/config.py 15:27:53 some day it would be nice to add a way to do that to webtiles without insane hax 15:28:23 haha, nice, that was my theory, but when I considered trying to close the tag, it didn't seem right 15:28:31 and yeah, I'm not sure how to generalize that in a better way 15:28:50 maybe have a "group" config value and have the template use logic that recognizes this? 15:28:54 here's the first one with an unclosed

tag: https://github.com/floraline/dgamelaunch-config/blob/cko/config.py#L111 15:30:03 thanks for that 15:30:03 yeah, some kind of cleaner ordering and grouping options maybe? 15:30:05 perhaps allow dummy entries for separators / groups in the games list 15:34:07 <10PleasingFungus> ty! 15:34:29 <10PleasingFungus> rip 15:53:22 @PleasingFungus your new djinn species is so popular there are like 4 people playing so I can't even restart my server to try a new config, thanks a lot! 15:53:22 this game would be so easy to develop if there weren't any players involved 15:53:47 <10PleasingFungus> lol 15:53:57 <10PleasingFungus> remove players imo 15:54:29 <10PleasingFungus> if there are that many people playing we should probably plop in trunk soon 15:54:40 <10PleasingFungus> since that is where testing lives 15:57:07 totally up to you, one is mike (the octopode), the other is shapermc, who was talking in discord, and then simm (wow, he's back) 15:59:29 so it's not really that many people playing it, but it's more than zero 15:59:48 if it's in trunk, definitely easier to track what people are doing with it 16:00:06 doesn't seem at this point like it could be a failed experiment or anything 16:00:32 once you do merge it, we have a brand new species to deal with in terms of sequell stuff (and I guess CAO scoring) 16:00:48 oh, and the removal of Ha 16:03:31 Ha removal? *insert nelson meme* 16:05:01 <05kate> hm, does anyone have strong opinions on ants 16:05:07 <12ebering> ANT VAULT 16:05:17 <05kate> soldier and queen ants i think i'm definitely cutting, it seems like worker ants probably could go too and be swapped out for scorpions or something 16:05:37 <12ebering> rip ant vault 16:05:37 the big question is ant hives 16:05:53 agree that the low-level ants don't add much 16:05:58 <05kate> it's not like they're interestingly distinct from beehives 16:06:14 yeah, I suppose that's true; they do have nicely generic loot 16:06:14 <05kate> so can just cut them entirely or replace with beehives depending on depth 16:06:17 <12ebering> alarm traps and enemies slow enough to make it sometimes possible to manouver them 16:06:19 but don't beehives also have this? 16:06:24 now that they don't give food 16:07:06 <05kate> i think there's a bunch of different bee vaults, some give guaranteed ambrosia, not sure about the rest 16:07:33 well, I can't really think of any ant vaults that feel super distintive; they're all just sort of loosely arranged cave type things 16:07:48 so I think you're right that bee hives fill the role 16:07:55 plus meliai actually are dangerous 16:08:16 and killer bees are pretty good monsters 16:08:29 so I guess I'm +1 on ant removal 16:09:06 it's supposed to be iconic to have ants in your traditional roguelike though, kate, so beware of the powerful forces you're disturbing 16:09:12 something something Berlin interpretation 16:09:13 <06‡※ of the eleventh circle> the same depths that use meliai in bee vaults also put entropy weavers in ant vaults 16:09:41 03advil02 07* 0.27-a0-706-g780f848: Mark manifold assault as a direct attack for autofight 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/780f848edf96 16:10:21 <05kate> mainly just don't want to cut them from early D and replace them with something easier since they do get kills there, but probably scorpions would do okay even if they're not fast 16:10:21 yep 16:10:21 <06‡※ of the eleventh circle> (I had planned for soldier ants to get acid spit and queen ants to get acid damage to keep going with it but possibly at some indeterminate point there is too much acid? sounds implausible) 16:10:21 nothing says that scorpions can't be fast either, if we want them to be 16:11:44 <06‡※ of the eleventh circle> (...probably all working alongside my long-standing desire of figuring out a formicid knight for another spider nest tank) 16:12:42 <08nicolae> formicid knight... a gall-ant 16:14:47 uh oh, a large ant has joined the channel, I knew this would happen 16:17:06 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-706-g780f848edf (34) 16:18:52 <06‡※ of the eleventh circle> (clearly rename worker ants to velvet ants and then the anthills can replace all the soldier ants with hornets and queen ants with spriggan riders) 16:22:01 <10PleasingFungus> soldier ants are surprisingly similar to scorpions 16:22:01 <10PleasingFungus> @kate did you see my exciting WIP D spawns rework branch? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/compare/really_spicy_d 16:22:17 <10PleasingFungus> i moved soldier ants much earlier there (from d:10 to d:7) but also fine just cutting 16:23:34 <05kate> ah i don't think i did see that 16:24:21 <05kate> but yeah, i think soldier ants are any easy direct replacement with water moccassins mostly 16:24:32 <10PleasingFungus> @??scorpion 16:24:33 <05kate> a bit faster and a bit squishier and almost identical xp 16:24:33 <04Cerebot> scorpion (s) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 14-22 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 10(poison:8-16) | Res: will(20) | Vul: poison | Corpse | XP: 69 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 16:24:36 <10PleasingFungus> @??soldier ant 16:24:37 <04Cerebot> soldier ant (B) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 26-40 | AC/EV: 8/10 | Dam: 14(poison:12-24) | Res: will(20) | Vul: poison | Corpse | XP: 156 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 16:24:37 <12ebering> @‡※ of the eleventh circle in your tyrant sketch, did you mean for weakening gaze to be DUR_WEAK (melee malus) or strength stat drain? 16:24:40 <10PleasingFungus> @??water moccasin 16:24:41 <04Cerebot> water moccasin (S) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%) | HD: 5 | HP: 22-33 | AC/EV: 2/15 | Dam: 10(poison:10-20) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: will(20), poison, drown | Corpse | XP: 148 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 16:25:26 <10PleasingFungus> sure 16:29:48 <06‡※ of the eleventh circle> @ebering former 16:36:25 <03wheals> @??worker ant 16:36:26 <04Cerebot> worker ant (B) | Spd: 12 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-20 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 8(poison:6-12) | Res: will(10) | Vul: poison | Corpse | XP: 33 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 16:36:36 <03wheals> i never realized the soldiers were slower 16:36:49 <03wheals> must be all that heavy armor 16:39:31 <05kate> oh hah, moving ants to B stopped that arrival vault from being able to spell crawl, how sad 16:39:31 <05kate> should clearly put the new ant humans in there 16:40:23 <12ebering> crBwl 16:41:34 <06‡※ of the eleventh circle> (...the more I think of it the more I like that velvet ant and hornet nest notion since there's plenty of weird biology cuts already) 16:41:54 <05kate> The servant of whispers twitches its antennae in your direction. 16:41:55 <05kate> hmm 16:42:01 <05kate> good 16:42:19 <05kate> guess they really are ants 16:42:24 <06‡※ of the eleventh circle> ????? 16:43:22 <05kate> they got moved to 'a' for 'ancients' because 'p' was too full, but monster speech checks by glyph probably 16:43:51 <03wheals> they 16:44:12 <03wheals> were probably twitching the antenna on their portable tv set 16:45:20 <12ebering> it turns out the whispers were just coast-to-coast-am callers 16:47:20 <06‡※ of the eleventh circle> clearly should ask @PleasingFungus if they're, in fact, something other than default humans 16:47:36 <10PleasingFungus> canonically just very sulky humans 16:47:41 <10PleasingFungus> but canon can shift 16:47:55 <12ebering> they're not dwarves though 16:47:57 <10PleasingFungus> yes. 16:48:01 <12ebering> g was rejected for their glyph 16:48:07 <10PleasingFungus> regected 17:07:33 I don't see an acid resist on any of the slime pits monsters, do monsters just not take damage from acid walls? 17:09:32 oh I was just looking at G, it looks like J does have acid resist. still, I would expect the Gs to get burned by the walls 17:42:55 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-706-g424bf89: Pull out some magic numbers in the poison formulas 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 33+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/424bf89a6610 17:42:55 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-707-gfed8aee: Accelerate poison damage 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fed8aee447a4 17:42:55 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-708-gb0b880f: Increase Naga and Naga Warrior damage 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b0b880f58cf8 17:42:55 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-709-gfd8f6e0: Give Naga Warriors battlecry 10(6 days ago, 2 files, 9+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fd8f6e0b44ed 17:42:55 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-710-gde11e93: Make Naga Ritualists priests, remove force lance from their spellbook 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de11e933cb21 17:42:55 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-711-gef652a4: Tweak Nagaraja spells 10(5 days ago, 2 files, 11+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ef652a4bde80 17:42:55 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-712-gb16c6cd: Give Naga Ritualists normal weapons (kate-) 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b16c6cdb0ee7 17:42:55 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-713-g78455a7: Turn Naga Mages into more supportive allies 10(3 days ago, 15 files, 98+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/78455a76efba 17:42:55 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-714-gcdbaa20: Don't give new Naga Magi Haste Other (i-x) 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cdbaa2099894 17:42:55 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-715-gbdcc555: New Monster: salamander tyrant (i-x) 10(5 hours ago, 15 files, 189+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bdcc555fdd83 17:43:20 Branch pull/1836 updated to be equal with i_snecko: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1836 17:49:27 <12ebering> Thought briefly about pyroclastic surge being ZAP_FIRE_STORM but that hit too hard at 15 hd 17:49:27 <05kate> oh wow, that salamander commit touching the chant fire storm speech is good 17:49:27 <05kate> i'd forgotten about that being a thing 17:50:12 <05kate> also reminds me that chant word of recall still needs reworking, i guess 17:50:30 <05kate> to just be a proper duration or something 17:52:21 03kate-02 07* 0.27-a0-707-ge0bb579: Remove antennae from Desolation of Salt humans 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0bb579ed7b0 17:52:21 03kate-02 07* 0.27-a0-708-g265f56a: Remove a duplicated vault check 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/265f56af432b 17:52:21 03kate-02 07* 0.27-a0-709-g48170ee: Fix spelling 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/48170eeafe71 17:53:02 don't forget the collateral damage cost 17:53:06 one of the other problems with stormcallers 17:53:14 with cerebov he has summons 17:53:42 but those densly packed snake areas can lead to a lot of other monsters getting hit 17:53:56 beside, I don't think firestorm is particularly interesting on monsters 17:54:15 only partly resistable is somewhat interesting, but most players don't have tons of rF in snake anyhow 17:55:04 <12ebering> well this is in the context of salamander tyrant's new spell that hits non-aligned monsters on or about lava and what beam flavour it should hit with 17:55:20 <12ebering> I'm not giving them fire storm! 17:55:30 oh, yeah, if it's not AOE, then that's fine certainly 17:55:53 anyone remember grunt's "player character" vault that had like "demonspawn fire elementalist" monsters with firestorm? 17:55:59 obv all just vault defined 17:56:22 I have a vivid memory of clearing (old and easy) crypt and suddently getting firestormed 17:57:14 <06‡※ of the eleventh circle> quite the distance of history there, really, between those and blood saints 17:57:37 <05kate> the pyroclastic surge comments do still reference "Freeze the player" there by the way 17:57:49 <12ebering> oh, oops 17:57:50 <05kate> i for one would never copy and paste code from elsewhere, unthinkable....... 18:00:51 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-710-ge168284: Pull out some magic numbers in the poison formulas 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 33+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e1682847c3d1 18:00:51 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-711-ga7b8d12: Accelerate poison damage 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a7b8d12a8697 18:00:51 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-712-g43b6169: Increase Naga and Naga Warrior damage 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/43b6169a3eae 18:00:51 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-713-ge81c364: Give Naga Warriors battlecry 10(6 days ago, 2 files, 9+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e81c3644fc9f 18:00:51 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-714-gdb6eed0: Make Naga Ritualists priests, remove force lance from their spellbook 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/db6eed09428f 18:00:51 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-715-g8b94e06: Give Naga Ritualists normal weapons (kate-) 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8b94e069312a 18:00:51 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-716-g86023d4: Tweak Nagaraja spells 10(5 days ago, 2 files, 11+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/86023d4c8532 18:00:51 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-717-g6ecf17f: Turn Naga Mages into more supportive allies 10(4 days ago, 15 files, 98+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6ecf17fd6c90 18:00:51 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-718-g4813a55: Don't give new Naga Magi Haste Other (i-x) 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4813a55755e7 18:00:51 03ebering02 07[i_snecko] * 0.27-a0-719-g02918e9: New Monster: salamander tyrant (i-x) 10(6 hours ago, 15 files, 190+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/02918e9f87ff 18:01:16 Branch pull/1836 updated to be equal with i_snecko: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1836 18:01:58 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-709-g48170eeafe (34) 18:39:56 04Build failed for 08i_snecko @ bdcc555f 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/677555255 18:41:43 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-710-ge168284: Pull out some magic numbers in the poison formulas 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 33+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e1682847c3d1 18:41:43 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-711-ga7b8d12: Accelerate poison damage 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a7b8d12a8697 18:41:43 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-712-g43b6169: Increase Naga and Naga Warrior damage 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/43b6169a3eae 18:41:43 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-713-ge81c364: Give Naga Warriors battlecry 10(6 days ago, 2 files, 9+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e81c3644fc9f 18:41:43 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-714-gdb6eed0: Make Naga Ritualists priests, remove force lance from their spellbook 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/db6eed09428f 18:41:43 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-715-g8b94e06: Give Naga Ritualists normal weapons (kate-) 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8b94e069312a 18:41:43 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-716-g86023d4: Tweak Nagaraja spells 10(5 days ago, 2 files, 11+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/86023d4c8532 18:41:43 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-717-g6ecf17f: Turn Naga Mages into more supportive allies 10(4 days ago, 15 files, 98+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6ecf17fd6c90 18:41:43 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-718-g4813a55: Don't give new Naga Magi Haste Other (i-x) 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4813a55755e7 18:41:43 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-719-g02918e9: New Monster: salamander tyrant (i-x) 10(6 hours ago, 15 files, 190+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/02918e9f87ff 18:41:43 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-720-g3f424a2: Give salamander tyrants bands 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3f424a255b87 18:43:04 <12ebering> still todo: sprinkle salamander tyrants into the end vaults 18:43:34 <12ebering> add (with care) some more lava to snake(?) 19:02:33 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-720-g3f424a255b (34) 19:23:15 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.27-a0-720-g3f424a255b (34) 20:33:35 03PleasingFungus02 07[smokeless] * 0.27-a0-747-g2b47021: Remove djinn hooves 10(79 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2b4702152a9b 20:33:53 Branch pull/1840 updated to be equal with smokeless: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1840 20:47:39 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-721-g0520e8e: Remove Halflings 10(2 days ago, 10 files, 25+ 62-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0520e8ecd4ae 20:47:39 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-722-gc3fac4b: New race: Djinni 10(11 days ago, 52 files, 721+ 256-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c3fac4b18bf8 20:50:26 ??djinn 20:50:27 djinn ~ djinni[1/2]: Experimental race that casts with HP instead of MP and learns spells randomly with XL instead of from books. Likes a warm sweater. Playable on {cdi}: register there and click the "Djinn Species" link in the bottom row of the game list. 21:06:02 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-723-g53cd4cc: Remove Yred's nonliving ban 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/53cd4ccad669 21:07:21 !learn set djinni[1] Race that casts with HP instead of MP and learns spells randomly with XL instead of from books. Djinni use only Spellcasting skill for success rate and spellpower and can't train other spell skills. They permanently fly, have rF++/rC-, poison immunity, 4 extra HP, and can't wear boots. Anything normally costing MP costs HP instead, and anything granting MP grants nothing. Sif 21:07:21 djinni[1/2]: Race that casts with HP instead of MP and learns spells randomly with XL instead of from books. Djinni use only Spellcasting skill for success rate and spellpower and can't train other spell skills. They permanently fly, have rF++/rC-, poison immunity, 4 extra HP, and can't wear boots. Anything normally costing MP costs HP instead, and anything granting MP grants nothing. Sif 21:07:27 and Veh refuse worship of djinn, but Trog accepts them (still forbidding use of spells). New in 0.27. 21:08:08 <10PleasingFungus> uh 21:08:14 <10PleasingFungus> i don't think i had veh ban em 21:08:18 oh 21:08:20 well sif does 21:08:22 <10PleasingFungus> yeah 21:08:27 <10PleasingFungus> doesn't like fires in her library 21:08:27 going to allow veh then? 21:08:35 <10PleasingFungus> veh and kiku still ok for now 21:08:42 <10PleasingFungus> we'll see 21:09:47 guess I need to split this info to a second entry 21:09:55 which is fine, since it's of secondary importance 21:10:10 !learn set djinni[1] Race that casts with HP instead of MP and learns spells randomly with XL instead of from books. Djinni use only Spellcasting skill for spells and can't train other spell skills. They permanently fly, have rF++/rC-, poison immunity, 4 extra HP, and can't wear boots. New in 0.27. 21:10:10 djinni[1/2]: Race that casts with HP instead of MP and learns spells randomly with XL instead of from books. Djinni use only Spellcasting skill for spells and can't train other spell skills. They permanently fly, have rF++/rC-, poison immunity, 4 extra HP, and can't wear boots. New in 0.27. 21:10:34 !learn add djinni[2] Anything costing MP costs HP instead, and anything granting MP grants nothing. Sif refuses djinn worship, but Trog accepts them, still forbidding use of spells. 21:10:35 djinni[2/3]: Anything costing MP costs HP instead, and anything granting MP grants nothing. Sif refuses djinn worship, but Trog accepts them, still forbidding use of spells. 21:11:09 I'll leave adding a picture of the Will Smith genie to you 21:15:36 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-724-g098d8ac: More Sastrei tiles 10(32 seconds ago, 3 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/098d8ac6d2a3 21:16:16 <10PleasingFungus> hm, important question: @gammafunk do we still have the zombie tile generator around somewhere? 21:16:16 <10PleasingFungus> the one that turns normal tiles into zombies by purpling em 21:17:28 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-722-gc3fac4b18b (34) 21:17:49 no idea 21:17:56 wasn't aware of said zombification machine 21:19:31 <10PleasingFungus> think most of the current zombie tiles were made thus 21:19:38 <10PleasingFungus> skeletons were made by hand 21:19:51 <10PleasingFungus> anyway, yak zombie looks kinda funny now 21:28:01 04Build failed for 08master @ c3fac4b1 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/677951374 21:28:01 04Build failed for 08master @ 53cd4cca 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/677988042 21:30:54 04Build failed for 08master @ 098d8ac6 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/678009801 21:32:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-725-g30b8c66: Lizard vault fixes (r-i) 10(25 seconds ago, 2 files, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/30b8c66569fc 21:32:40 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-724-g098d8ac6d2 (34) 21:45:54 03kate-02 07* 0.27-a0-726-geb20345: Remove an obsolete special-case 10(66 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb20345811c0 21:45:54 03kate-02 07* 0.27-a0-727-g922fb1c: Rework spell handling for silencable innate abilities 10(65 minutes ago, 9 files, 50+ 75-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/922fb1cf6ac8 21:45:54 03kate-02 07* 0.27-a0-728-g8f833cc: Make Rupert's Berserker Rage a natural ability 10(41 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8f833cc6ccc1 21:46:41 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-725-g30b8c66569 (34) 21:47:15 <05kate> that shadow dragon check was a fun find 21:48:13 Prakerore (L1 DjFi) ASSERT(mut_index[mut] != -1) in 'mutation.cc' at line 262 failed. (D:1) 21:48:22 tnor (L2 DjGl) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:1) 21:48:27 Prakerore (L1 DjFi) ASSERT(mut_index[mut] != -1) in 'mutation.cc' at line 262 failed. (D:1) 21:48:37 Prakerore (L1 DjFi) ASSERT(mut_index[mut] != -1) in 'mutation.cc' at line 262 failed. (D:1) 21:49:13 Prakerore (L1 DjFi) ASSERT(mut_index[mut] != -1) in 'mutation.cc' at line 262 failed. (D:1) 21:49:16 <05kate> oh dear 21:49:26 Prakerore (L1 DjFi) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:1) 21:50:10 myname (L1 DjGl) ASSERT(mut_index[mut] != -1) in 'mutation.cc' at line 262 failed. (D:1) 21:50:26 myname (L1 DjGl) ASSERT(mut_index[mut] != -1) in 'mutation.cc' at line 262 failed. (D:1) 21:50:28 tnor (L3 DjGl) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:1) 21:50:36 myname (L1 DjGl) ASSERT(mut_index[mut] != -1) in 'mutation.cc' at line 262 failed. (D:1) 21:51:13 <10PleasingFungus> hm 21:51:16 <10PleasingFungus> i think that's me somehow 21:51:19 Prakerore (L1 DjFi) ASSERT(mut_index[mut] != -1) in 'mutation.cc' at line 262 failed. (D:1) 21:51:19 <10PleasingFungus> i'm not sure what i did 21:52:24 <10PleasingFungus> rebuilding 21:53:24 04Build failed for 08master @ 30b8c665 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/678045528 21:53:27 Prakerore (L1 DjFi) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:1) 21:54:05