00:02:29 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-646-g8141940efc (34) 00:06:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-647-g7c5cdd2: Ogreify thunderhulk weapons again 10(47 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c5cdd226b24 00:16:58 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-647-g7c5cdd226b (34) 00:29:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-648-ga011b72: Animate creeping frost 10(24 seconds ago, 1 file, 13+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a011b72ad24b 00:31:49 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-649-g9c40852: Give frosthearts sInv 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c408523ab2f 00:32:29 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-648-ga011b72ad2 (34) 00:43:19 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-650-g8dd3ea4: Reduce convoker & preserver frequency 10(9 minutes ago, 2 files, 11+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8dd3ea4f36bf 00:47:01 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-650-g8dd3ea4f36 (34) 00:47:02 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:55:20 03kippig02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1822 * 0.27-a0-602-ga602207: removed imps 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a60220777c57 02:05:27 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 02:18:01 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.27-a0-650-g8dd3ea4f36 (34) 02:21:20 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4053-g610ae06132 02:34:37 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-650-g8dd3ea4f36 (34) 02:51:45 03kippig02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1821 * 0.27-a0-599-g8b2bf64: Big edits to Hep Vault 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 69+ 61-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8b2bf64b74a0 02:55:36 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-650-g8dd3ea4f36 03:45:23 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4053-g610ae06132 03:45:57 Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.03-184-g2523139174 03:53:50 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-650-g8dd3ea4f36 05:24:24 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:56:17 New branch created: pull/1828 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1828 06:56:17 03Nikolai Lavsky02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1828 * 0.27-a0-651-gb80867a: Fix ?/m entry for rockslimes 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b80867ae1f7a 09:51:01 New branch created: pull/1830 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1830 09:51:01 03Nick Johnstone02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1830 * 0.27-a0-651-g82714ef: Enable full screen PWA for WebTiles on iOS 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/82714ef4681b 10:08:44 huh, for some reason I thought there were deeper issues with webtiles on ios safari 10:25:28 03Nikolai Lavsky02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.27-a0-651-gf7bc8fe: Fix ?/m entry for rockslimes 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f7bc8fed1b9f 10:31:58 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-651-gf7bc8fed1b (34) 11:07:09 03advil02 07* 0.27-a0-652-g2d5cf1d: Update an outdated file extension in Makefile 10(80 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2d5cf1dcd347 11:17:03 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-652-g2d5cf1dcd3 (34) 11:19:27 <08Lasty> @PleasingFungus FWIW, Convokers have a tendency to summon Beastmasters away from their bands, rendering them harmless. 11:20:43 <10PleasingFungus> absolutely tragic 11:21:32 <10PleasingFungus> vaguely wonder if beastmasters would be better suited for depths or something (presumably with different bands), and could be swapped out for something else in vaults 11:21:47 04Build failed for 08master @ 2d5cf1dc 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/654591923 11:21:52 <10PleasingFungus> but there's a lot of question marks there 11:22:27 PLAIDGUY (L20 FoFi) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D (Sprint)) 11:23:23 <08nicolae> give beastmasters a new monster ability/flag called Yoink, whenever they get teleported somewhere they take as much of their band with them as possible 11:24:07 <08Lasty> You could attach beastmasters to scarier stuff in depths -- spark wasps, shrikes... 11:24:26 <10PleasingFungus> oh, i know someone who likes shrikes 11:25:15 <08nicolae> is it you 11:25:15 <08nicolae> are you the someone who likes shrikes 11:25:19 <10PleasingFungus> i do, but i was thinking of someone else 11:33:18 <08Lasty> It's possible it's me 11:33:30 <08Lasty> though in my heart of hearts I still wish they were wasps 11:38:58 PLAIDGUY (L23 FoFi) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D (Sprint)) 11:48:34 <12ebering> caustic bees 11:50:19 <10PleasingFungus> ?/glued 11:50:19 <04Cerebot> Matching entries (2): caustic_shrike[1]: potatolizard: they are jellies glued to beeeeeeeees | spark_wasp[2]: They are raiju glued to beeees! 12:23:31 I do think it's a little bit of an uphill battle for beastmasters unless you find a beast manip thing that really stands out 12:23:31 that's right, beast manip is a cool new phrase I just invented 12:23:53 when your beast rng goes into beast mode and you pull off a clutch beast manip to get the beast world record 12:26:18 <10PleasingFungus> cool 12:26:32 <10PleasingFungus> beastmasters are just calmer moths of rage 13:07:46 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.27-a0-652-g2d5cf1d (34) 13:28:36 -!- joppe is now known as joes 15:11:33 -!- Tiobot is now known as Guest43513 15:21:20 -!- Rjs- is now known as Rjs 15:23:06 -!- Epakai_ is now known as Epakai 15:32:33 -!- Raichvent_ is now known as Raichvent 15:40:29 <10PleasingFungus> @kate how enthusiastic are we, as a people, about the knockback on chilling breath? it's sort of like a new effect, since mostly i think characters wouldn't be flying when encountering it in the past 16:10:37 <05kate> i don't have strong opinions on it either way yeah. it's a player white drac buff currently, probably? it was added as a monster spell just for the symmetry there i think, likewise with red dracs leaving flame clouds 16:11:56 <05kate> but there's already asymmetry with player/monster black dracs so removing it from just the monster side again wouldn't be the end of the world 16:18:07 <10PleasingFungus> sounds reasonable to me 16:31:13 -!- amalloy- is now known as amalloy 17:50:24 <08wormsofcan> can you just give beastmasters a summon spell that summons their band? 17:52:04 <10PleasingFungus> feels weird to have two recall monsters in one branch 17:52:12 <10PleasingFungus> (i did consider that) 17:52:17 <10PleasingFungus> oh 17:52:24 <10PleasingFungus> or you mean just make their band into summons, not real monsters 17:52:33 <10PleasingFungus> certainly possible, though you'd want to retheme 17:54:08 <08wormsofcan> just reflavor their monsters as monsters in a box 17:54:16 <08wormsofcan> some kind of box... containing beasts... 17:55:31 -!- aidanh_ is now known as aidanh 18:02:19 <10PleasingFungus> wow 18:43:53 spriggan berserkers do have brothers in arms already 18:44:04 you could argue that they'd actually be a good Vaults monster 18:44:25 certainly have roughly the right profile 18:44:30 and wouldn't require adding a new monster even 18:47:56 <10PleasingFungus> the main problem is that they're already in depths 18:47:56 <10PleasingFungus> and players will often do depths right after vaults 19:02:28 @PleasingFungus, true but they don't have to be in Depths. Could leave spriggan defenders in Depths for that 19:02:31 since those are a step up 19:02:54 they're not particularly effective monsters in Depths or anything, although they do sometimes cause problems 19:03:19 !lg * depths recent s=ckiller% 19:03:20 4090 games for * (depths recent): 290x a caustic shrike (7.09%), 252x a stone giant (6.16%), 203x a frost giant (4.96%), 178x a spriggan air mage (4.35%), 148x a spark wasp (3.62%), 146x an ettin (3.57%), 143x a fire giant (3.50%), 118x a deep troll (2.89%), 117x a lich (2.86%), 111x a very ugly thing (2.71%), 106x a vampire knight (2.59%), 99x a juggernaut (2.42%), 97x a spriggan berserker (2.37%... 19:03:32 <10PleasingFungus> !lg * depths recent s=cikiller% 19:03:34 <04Cerebot> 4090 games for * (depths recent): 288x a caustic shrike (7.04%), 231x a stone giant (5.65%), 195x a frost giant (4.77%), 144x a lich (3.52%), 140x an ettin (3.42%), 139x a fire giant (3.40%), 133x a spark wasp (3.25%), 125x a spriggan air mage (3.06%), 109x a deep troll (2.67%), 105x the Enchantress (2.57%), 105x a vampire knight (2.57%), 102x a very ugly thing (2.49%), 100x a spriggan berserker ... 19:03:39 they do show up in the top 20, but I think defenders are just pretty rare 19:03:40 <10PleasingFungus> not much difference, i guess 19:03:50 so you could up the frequency of defenders, for example 19:03:59 <10PleasingFungus> could retheme spriggan zerkers to be ironbound zerkers 19:04:05 right, true 19:04:12 <10PleasingFungus> hrm 19:04:16 <10PleasingFungus> could work 19:04:16 one doesn't really associate berserk/trog with spriggans otherwise 19:05:24 I think they even wear animal skins? 19:05:24 So your true design objective of making a monster that wears animal skins (you can't fool me) will still be realized 19:11:14 <10PleasingFungus> is it 'making a monster' if it's actually 'retheming a monster' 19:11:14 <10PleasingFungus> 'and moving it to an earlier area' 19:11:48 <09gammafunk> anything that is not stupid remove is stupid add 19:12:37 <09gammafunk> it's probably fair to ask if spriggan berserkers actually have an effective design 19:13:03 <08Lasty> !lg * --wn / won 19:13:06 <04Cerebot> 5236/662379 games for * (--wn): N=5236/662379 (0.79%) 19:13:09 <09gammafunk> I guess the berserked beasts they summon will be a bit stronger in Vaults, but the most impactful thing they do ime is berserk 19:13:18 <08Lasty> !lg * -- recent / won 19:13:19 <04Cerebot> No keyword '--' 19:13:24 <08Lasty> !lg * --wn recent / won 19:13:26 <04Cerebot> 713/52813 games for * (--wn recent): N=713/52813 (1.35%) 19:13:55 <08Lasty> !lg * --de recent / won 19:13:56 <09gammafunk> so it might not really be doing the whole "enhance and empower vaults beasts" thing any better than beastmasters 19:13:57 <04Cerebot> 665/42425 games for * (--de recent): N=665/42425 (1.57%) 19:14:18 <09gammafunk> !lg * newslime vaults s=cikiller% 19:14:19 <04Cerebot> 39 games for * (newslime vaults): 4x a yaktaur captain (10.26%), 4x an ironbound frostheart (10.26%), 3x Mennas (7.69%), 2x a frost giant (5.13%), 2x a shadow dragon (5.13%), 2x a vault warden (5.13%), 2x a tengu reaver (5.13%), 2x an ironbound preserver (5.13%), 2x a titan (5.13%), a boulder beetle (2.56%), a centaur warrior (2.56%), a deep elf death mage (2.56%), a peacekeeper (2.56%), a player... 19:14:42 <09gammafunk> !lg * newslime vaults cikiller~~ironbound s=cikiller 19:14:44 <04Cerebot> 6 games for * (newslime vaults cikiller~~ironbound): 4x an ironbound frostheart, 2x an ironbound preserver 19:14:57 <08Lasty> !lg * --fi recent / won 19:15:01 <04Cerebot> 3361/199650 games for * (--fi recent): N=3361/199650 (1.68%) 19:23:39 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.27-a0-652-g2d5cf1dcd3 (34) 20:06:41 -!- MakMorn_ is now known as MakMorn 20:55:48 New branch created: pull/1831 (8 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1831 20:55:49 03hellmonk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1831 * 0.27-a0-653-g83c5fec: Allow shop placement on D:1-3 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/83c5fec90aa3 20:55:49 03hellmonk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1831 * 0.27-a0-654-gd3c90a8: Legalize early rare scrolls. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 12+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d3c90a871fb3 20:55:49 03hellmonk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1831 * 0.27-a0-655-g019d810: Allow earlier book, manual, and staff generation. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/019d810ca568 20:55:49 03hellmonk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1831 * 0.27-a0-656-gfd831eb: Adjust weapon subtype selection. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fd831eb6b410 20:55:49 03hellmonk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1831 * 0.27-a0-657-g82cbb27: Allow ecumenical altars on D:1. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/82cbb27cb778 20:55:49 03hellmonk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1831 * 0.27-a0-658-gaed3c11: increase ball python melee damage by 1 10(86 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aed3c11c3eba 20:55:49 03hellmonk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1831 * 0.27-a0-659-g98f6bef: reduce item generation in early dungeon 10(71 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/98f6beff059a 20:55:49 03hellmonk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1831 * 0.27-a0-660-g5f44f11: Allow quokkas on D:1. 10(46 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5f44f1161b8d 21:09:38 <05kate> ghoul skeleton (wandering) 21:10:40 <05kate> this is fun, i wonder how this is possible 21:11:22 <05kate> via sword of zonguldrok, with some additional good contradictory messages: "The flesh is too rotten for a proper zombie; only a skeleton remains. _The ghoul turns into a zombie!" 21:12:01 <10PleasingFungus> heh 21:12:39 -!- wheals4 is now known as wheals 21:12:40 -!- dolemite8 is now known as dolemite7 21:12:40 -!- Raichvent_ is now known as Raichvent 21:12:41 -!- johnsteinVPS is now known as johnstein 21:13:33 -!- TooLmaN_ is now known as TooLmaN 21:14:18 <05kate> doesn't work on necrophages or bog bodies it seems, just ghouls 21:15:27 <05kate> oh nevermind, just hadn't dealt enough reaping damage, necrophages work too 21:26:11 <10PleasingFungus> nice 21:29:48 <05kate> probably that "flesh is too rotten" message doesn't need to exist at all, it's only relevant elsewhere for animate dead and i don't know that it really needs a message just to explain that ghoul-genus stuff can't be zombified 21:40:07 <10PleasingFungus> devs removing lore again!? 21:44:31 -!- Epakai_ is now known as Epakai 21:45:35 <05kate> mmm, probably also the animate skeleton message about "flesh being ripped from the corpse" can go! memories of learning animate skeleton every game and macroing it to c because it was better than regular butchering... 21:46:04 <05kate> (also i like that animate skeleton still calls request_autopickup() for you to get the nonexistent chunks) 21:48:29 <10PleasingFungus> aw, i like the flesh ripping 21:48:29 <10PleasingFungus> (unironically this time) 21:53:19 <05kate> it just feels like extra message spam to me even when it was vaguely relevant for the chunks 21:55:21 <05kate> also now i'm looking at reanimation code more generally and there's a lot of other fun stuff, like handling cases where a corpse gets reanimated while a vampire is drinking from it 22:02:55 <10PleasingFungus> i remember that one! that's a powerful case 22:03:00 <10PleasingFungus> in general the reanimation code is very antique 22:03:03 <10PleasingFungus> which is appropriate really 22:03:10 <10PleasingFungus> lots of mystery parameters 22:07:51 03kate-02 07* 0.27-a0-653-gf1ce467: Reword a monster description 10(20 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f1ce4671d2e9 22:07:51 03kate-02 07* 0.27-a0-654-g5244db0: Adjust some reanimation handling 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5244db057540 22:17:11 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-654-g5244db0575 (34) 22:20:27 04Build failed for 08master @ 5244db05 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/656098723 22:24:17 <05kate> should rockslimes and quicksilver oozes have acid resistance? seems like quicksilver oozes should at least? 22:29:20 <10PleasingFungus> no strong opinion 22:29:37 <10PleasingFungus> i don't think i had a specific reason for not giving them acid resist 22:29:55 <10PleasingFungus> seems fine to add it on 22:29:57 <10PleasingFungus> !lg * newslime slime 22:29:58 <04Cerebot> 2. dbrn the Severer (L15 HOFi of Gozag), splashed with acid on Slime:1 on 2021-03-15 11:01:01, with 62048 points after 19043 turns and 0:56:17. 22:30:03 <10PleasingFungus> these people are nuts 22:31:48 <05kate> mm, that's a pretty optimistic attempt! 22:32:26 <10PleasingFungus> iirc the other one was similar 22:32:29 <10PleasingFungus> !lg * newslime slime 1 22:32:30 <04Cerebot> 1/2. dracfodder the Eclecticist (L14 GrIE of Vehumet), annihilated by a rockslime on Slime:1 (cheibrodos_slime_lost_civilization_5) on 2021-03-13 19:41:11, with 54652 points after 28014 turns and 2:56:21. 22:33:03 <10PleasingFungus> if only they read the section of the manual that told them not to enter slime straight from lair 22:33:11 <05kate> oh nice, their first kill being an annihilation is very good 22:33:16 <10PleasingFungus> indeed 22:33:27 <10PleasingFungus> hm, i wonder if there've been any poly kills elsewhere 22:33:51 <10PleasingFungus> oh, a special room! 22:33:57 <10PleasingFungus> !lg * killer=rockslime lair 22:33:58 <04Cerebot> 1. Cancer the Eclecticist (L14 DECj of Sif Muna), slain by a rockslime (kmap: special_room; special_room_jelly) on Lair:6 on 2021-03-14 07:41:02, with 53127 points after 25762 turns and 2:05:41. 22:34:08 <10PleasingFungus> bad username tbqh. follow the crab rule 22:38:13 <05kate> hmm, i see that rockslimes have joined toenail golems in being the only monsters that can be targeted with LRD but don't take extra shatter damage 22:38:33 <05kate> maybe that should be one list 22:38:38 <10PleasingFungus> huh, why don't toenail golems take extra shatter damage? 22:38:42 <10PleasingFungus> eh 22:39:02 <10PleasingFungus> i was very undecided about whether rockslimes should take extra shatter damage, normal shatter damage, or slime shatter damage 22:39:09 <10PleasingFungus> but the code was cleanest if they pretended to be slimes 22:49:23 <05kate> i'd maybe tend towards making them take the extra damage and combining those lists for vague consistency, but yeah, maybe that ends up being fiddly 22:49:55 <05kate> making toenails shatterable feels like a strong commit either way 22:56:16 <10PleasingFungus> agreed 22:56:31 <10PleasingFungus> i’m not at all opposed to combining lists either 22:56:45 <10PleasingFungus> seems pretty doable 22:56:59 <10PleasingFungus> i just hadn’t considered it 23:23:34 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-655-g7c35083: Gently nerf Leech to +5 10(65 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c350831d905 23:24:27 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-656-gb8a12bb: Make Vaults wizards a bit uglier 10(51 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b8a12bb016de 23:25:07 <10PleasingFungus> oops wrong unrand 23:25:07 <10PleasingFungus> ignore that commit 23:25:36 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-657-g87aa48b: s/Leech/Vampire's Tooth/ 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/87aa48b03e69 23:32:22 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-657-g87aa48b03e (34) 23:35:20 <05kate> heh, i definitely couldn't tell you which one is guaranteed vamp and which is the other thing without checking, yeah 23:38:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-658-g0a03284: Remove chilling breath from monster white draconians 10(57 seconds ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0a0328467440 23:42:17 04Build failed for 08master @ 7c350831 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/656251798 23:45:18 03kate-02 07* 0.27-a0-659-g31e422a: Fix grammar in horn of Geryon description 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/31e422a34a8f 23:45:18 03kate-02 07* 0.27-a0-660-g90476ce: Give quicksilver oozes acid immunity 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/90476cec82a7 23:47:29 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-658-g0a03284674 (34) 23:55:12 04Build failed for 08master @ 87aa48b0 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/656255852 23:56:37 04Build failed for 08master @ 0a032846 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/656281026