00:31:22 <10PleasingFungus> ooh 00:31:25 <10PleasingFungus> which rune? 00:31:46 <08nicolae> i'll invent a new rune 00:31:50 <10PleasingFungus> bold 00:32:08 <08nicolae> i haven't decided yet, really. one of the lair sub branches probably. 00:36:00 <08nicolae> imo: Crawl Extra Mode, it's regular crawl but all four lair branches generate and you get people competing for 17-rune wins 00:36:33 <08nicolae> although i suppose once you can clear two lair branches the other two aren't going to be a big stumbling block 00:44:01 <08wormsofcan> the bold rune 00:46:36 <10PleasingFungus> ok hear me out 00:47:18 <10PleasingFungus> simpler: lair only has entrances to Slime and S. when you enter S, you land in either Swamp:4, Shoals:4, Spider:4, or Snake:4 (rune vault and all), except there are stairs down 00:47:35 <10PleasingFungus> repeat until fully runéd 00:48:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:34:46 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-538-g15ff5c5295 (34) 01:56:13 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-538-g15ff5c5295 02:46:58 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.27-a0-538-g15ff5c5295 (34) 02:54:07 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-538-g15ff5c5295 03:44:12 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-3968-g16565f3459 03:49:24 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-539-g1a53e84: Don't shatter nonexistant curses (12534) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1a53e8493b83 03:58:14 04Build failed for 08master @ 1a53e849 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/626892084 04:00:31 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-540-gde41621: Dereference the correct pointer 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de416216be0e 04:53:40 03hellmonk02 {ebering} 07* 0.27-a0-541-g8b806e2: Allow Chei followers to use quickblades. 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8b806e2825b6 06:01:46 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-541-g8b806e2825 (34) 06:46:36 -!- johannes_ is now known as kenran 06:54:30 <09gammafunk> @nicolae good idea, also making a Lair ending is a great challenge. You can do a small one (randomly gets paired with other small endings) or a large one (standalone) 06:58:04 <09gammafunk> It’s fun to do “crossover “ endings that borrow one or two threats from more dangerous later branches. Works for Lair endings and rune vaults. 07:01:15 <09gammafunk> Or you can do whatever theme you like, of course 08:53:31 fishflakes (L27 VSFi) ASSERT(defender->alive()) in 'fight.cc' at line 233 failed. (Slime:3) 08:55:11 fishflakes (L27 VSFi) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (Slime:5) 09:11:15 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 09:57:32 Bah 3b221d4c609dbaf14cdb04071976662e76121183 10:02:41 . o O (let's send vanilla a patch, oh bother it doesn't apply cleanly, they have completely rearranged the universe) 10:11:01 <10PleasingFungus> lol 10:11:14 <10PleasingFungus> %git 3b221d4c609dbaf14cdb04071976662e76121183 10:11:15 <04Cerebot> advil * 0.26-a0-884-g3b221d4: Revamp fire interface to fully handle fire actions (6 months ago, 16 files, 497+ 390-) https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3b221d4c609d 10:11:29 <10PleasingFungus> yep, that’s quiver for you 10:11:56 I'm not looking forward to that although at the current rate of progress I may die of old age before we get to it 11:31:58 Hi, I don't know if this qualifies as a bug, but the min delay for demon tridents is supposed to be 0.6 reached at level 14 according to the weapons description, but in practice it was reached at level 13.1. I've been playing on DCSS online version 0.26.1. I also verified this discrepancy on the downloaded tiles version of 0.26.1 in wizmode. 11:34:24 <10PleasingFungus> Hello! At skill 13.1, you'll have a slightly better than 50% chance to attack with delay 0.6 and a slightly worse than 50% chance to attack with delay 0.7. 11:35:23 ah okay 11:35:40 <10PleasingFungus> Try swinging a few times at thin air with ctrl-direction - you'll see it switch back and forth. 11:47:01 probably related: the attack delay for weapons of speed is often not an integer multiple of 0.1 11:47:01 (at the best skill level) 11:48:48 Does anyone know what the relationship between the descriptions of passive abilities in god-passive.cc and religion.cc are? They often seem to be duplicates. 11:51:13 <10PleasingFungus> hm, like J's rCorr passive? 11:52:50 <03wheals> * FIXME: This member is currently unused. 11:52:50 <10PleasingFungus> that's for loss! 11:52:50 <03wheals> also gain 11:52:50 Ahh 11:52:50 <10PleasingFungus> ah, rip 11:53:12 <03wheals> so currently god-passive.cc is used solely for checking whether the player has a particular passive elsewhere in the code, and religion.cc is actually for the display 11:53:15 <10PleasingFungus> // TODO: use the display method rather than dummy powers in god_powers. 11:53:34 <10PleasingFungus> oh, this would've been another good project for |amethyst's students 11:55:00 Oh, and describe-god.cc does the actual description of passives 11:55:50 Thanks 11:58:39 <10PleasingFungus> i added that file! you can tell because it has a funny name 12:12:46 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-542-gbbbe490: Fix lucy bribe (dilly) 10(50 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bbbe490cb510 12:15:45 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-543-gd81048a: Remove an outdated bribe (dinky) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d81048afd211 12:16:57 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-542-gbbbe490cb5 (34) 12:28:04 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.27-a0-541-g8b806e2 (34) 12:31:59 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-543-gd81048afd2 (34) 13:49:26 god-passive.cc is some good training in the art of TODO 13:56:38 <02|amethyst> speaking of which: 13:56:45 <02|amethyst> /// The god prefers that items be cursed: acquirement grants cursed items, /// enchant scrolls and miscasts preserve curse status, and identify /// allows selecting a subset of items to uncurse. want_curses, 13:57:20 <02|amethyst> also, it looks like that got hit by an overzealous s/remove curse/identify/ 14:01:04 <02|amethyst> oh, no, not overzealous, forgot that Ash had an intermediate stage 17:46:24 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:56:53 <08nicolae> incidentally when i was starting to make swamp vaults, i looked at some of the existing swamp rune vaults to get an idea of how Pro Vault Designers made challenging areas and then it was just like "here's a shitload of tough monsters, go for it!" and i was like "perhaps i have been overthinking how to make a challenging vault" 17:59:42 well, a lot of touch monsters always works, but it can sometimes be fun to set up a smaller combo of things that's particularly nasty together 18:00:00 also a lot of normal swamp vaults just place a smallish number of monsters and that's fine; rune vaults are supposed to be a lot more difficult 18:00:53 versus some random vault that generates on a level; the larger non-rune vaults do tend to be harder overall, since they concentrate more monsters in an area relative to normal level 18:01:08 but they often don't have the enemy density of a rune vault 18:01:16 <08nicolae> gotcha 18:01:48 <08nicolae> also all the vaults i'd made for spider have been re-glyphed, so i might submit those soonish unless i get some more ideas 18:01:57 cool 18:02:04 just about to merge your overflows (finally!) 18:02:07 in next hour or so 18:23:25 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.27-a0-543-gd81048afd2 (34) 19:38:25 the lerny endvault is kinda cool, it seems to hint at a story of abandoned ruins that have sunk 19:45:41 <10PleasingFungus> swamp is funny in that it almost has lore, but doesn't quite 19:45:46 <10PleasingFungus> proto-lore 19:48:03 <10PleasingFungus> admittedly, that's more lore than most branches have 19:48:47 seems to be a lot of greek nods regardless of branch 19:50:03 <02|amethyst> shoals especially has a lot of greek mythology 19:51:18 <02|amethyst> and many of the hells, of course 19:51:29 <10PleasingFungus> i guess there's a vague idea of 'lore' that i'm using but not defining here 19:51:40 <10PleasingFungus> shoals definitely has references, but it's not really a consistent or coherent setting 19:51:45 <02|amethyst> yeah 19:52:10 <10PleasingFungus> swamp has tiny hints at something greater beyond the levels itself, mentions of sunken civilizations and ruins, but not much 19:52:44 <10PleasingFungus> some wizlabs and desolation are the only crawl places i can think of off the top of my head that actually have 'lore' in the sense i mean 19:54:45 <10PleasingFungus> (not a big deal, obv, just sort of a rambling thought) 19:55:52 <02|amethyst> Lair has a tiny bit of mechanical lore 19:55:52 <02|amethyst> in the form of vault ruination 19:57:00 <02|amethyst> but, yeah, I would like to see something of a world-arc scattered among various branch, item, monster descriptions 19:58:50 <02|amethyst> I will continue to strenuously object to the removal of my description of Wiglaf as the last of the mountain dwarves 20:05:21 <10PleasingFungus> yeah, there’s little bits elsewhere 20:05:26 <10PleasingFungus> and lol re wiglaf 20:05:34 <10PleasingFungus> is that lore... or bait? 20:07:27 <03wheals> now he's joined all his brothers and sisters 20:08:35 We have the bit about the Slime Pits in Dissolution's entry but then it is kind of contradicted if you kill TRJ with Dissolution alive... 20:22:42 <02|amethyst> god_status::nailed_to_sky 20:23:06 <02|amethyst> should add more stuff about what exactly Ash did to get cursed 20:23:41 <02|amethyst> I assume it's something of an Odin-like situation where it was intentional 20:25:14 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:28:45 03gammafunk02 07* 0.27-a0-544-g0983b4d: Adjust ghost vault allow_dup tagging 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 24+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0983b4dd014c 20:28:45 03gammafunk02 07* 0.27-a0-545-g5ccdf78: Reindent some vaults 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 21+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5ccdf786d28b 20:28:45 03gammafunk02 07* 0.27-a0-546-g7bfaeff: Some overflow altar vaults by nicolae (12500) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 585+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7bfaeff07b97 20:30:11 <08Lasty> Important question: is ranged still basically melee but better? 20:31:15 Lasty: yes; you might talk to ebering about his ideas for ranged reform, since I think he has a few specific ideas 20:32:02 <08Lasty> !tell ebering gf says you've got a ranged reform plan. I'd love to know more! 20:32:02 <04Cerebot> This command must be issued directly. 20:32:02 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-546-g7bfaeff07b (34) 20:32:12 rip (you can ping him in discord) 20:32:19 with a mention, I mean 20:32:59 !tell ebering gf says you've got a ranged reform plan. I'd love to know more! 20:33:00 Lasty: OK, I'll let ebering know. 20:34:00 @nicolae thanks for the overflows, and let me know if you see a problem with edits. Most were straightforward, so I didn't elaborate in commit 20:34:15 will try to get your swamp vaults merged by monday, depending on how many you have 20:54:14 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-547-g113d048: Don't mark cancel useless 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/113d0485ee66 20:54:14 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-548-gea54bc4: Ban quaffing known useless !cancel 10(77 seconds ago, 1 file, 19+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ea54bc484490 21:00:42 <02|amethyst> @nicolae aww, was hoping nicolae_uskayaw_suspiria would have a dead bat and a spellbook... but I haven't seen the new one 21:01:29 <02|amethyst> (Sabrina apparently referenced that scene in the first or so episode) 21:02:05 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-548-gea54bc4844 (34) 21:02:12 <02|amethyst> oh, I guess Suspiria didn't use a book, that was just Sabrina, never mind 21:15:49 <02|amethyst> hmm, I wonder if setting temple-god tags with clua works for multi-god overflow temples 21:16:38 <02|amethyst> was kind of thinking about making amethyst_overflow_temple_binary pick two gods that are related in some way, but not quite sure whether that would actually work 21:18:09 <02|amethyst> for values of "work" that don't include "only if the two chosen gods happen to have been chosen for overflows previously" 21:33:20 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-549-g79e8bcd: Bump Psyche's Willpower 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/79e8bcd2472d 21:47:10 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-549-g79e8bcd247 (34) 21:53:37 <08nicolae> i don't remember the old suspiria, i only saw it once and had the wrong genre expectations going into it so i bounced off it the first time, maybe i should watch it again 21:57:19 <02|amethyst> COLOR_GIALLO 21:59:13 <02|amethyst> (speaking of Italian directors, I'm also trying to think of how to make a vault honoring Troll 2, the worst movie of all time) 22:49:51 03|amethyst02 07* 0.27-a0-550-ge92ec0c: Add a new Jiyva message. 10(29 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e92ec0ca06be 22:51:57 <08nicolae> lol nice 22:53:33 <02|amethyst> just watched that for the first time this past week 22:53:39 <02|amethyst> I had been missing out 23:02:12 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-550-ge92ec0ca06 (34)