01:34:42 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-320-g81d27af2d4 (34)
01:55:22 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-320-g81d27af2d4
02:48:14 <Cbrotell> Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.27-a0-320-g81d27af2d4 (34)
02:53:48 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-320-g81d27af2d4
03:34:11 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-3917-gc4b44ba168
04:03:50 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
09:08:35 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-321-g42d3f62: Weight random effects 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/42d3f6298c8d
09:11:26 <Discord|> <12e​bering> @PleasingFungus I have a similar feeling about the Dg change
09:15:41 <advil> From the commit comments on fa4e0b4b0e52 I get the sense that everything should be id'd for ash worshippers, but from #1735 it is implied that this isn't so
09:15:57 <advil> it's been so long since I've played it that I can't really remember the corner cases
09:16:12 <advil> or even how this works tbh
09:16:59 <advil> I'm mildly positive about the dg change, as I also like the stat gimmick, so maybe this will allow keeping it while making it feel more "special"
09:17:11 <advil> seems similar to what you both said
09:17:16 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-321-g42d3f6298c (34)
09:18:28 <advil> well, picking up potions and whatnot on a new ash char certainly is not id'ing them
09:19:20 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Generally in favor of leaning harder into gimmicks
09:19:34 <advil> so now I'm confused about fa4e0b4b0e52
09:21:05 <Discord|> <12e​bering> %git  fa4e0b4b0
09:21:06 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> PleasingFungus * 0.27-a0-298-gfa4e0b4: Make Ash use ?id instead of ?rc (6 days ago, 6 files, 28+ 20-) https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fa4e0b4b0e52
09:21:11 <advil> is ash supposed to id scrolls/potions??
09:21:24 <Discord|> <12e​bering> old ash did not
09:21:25 <advil> I think it might be only ID that gets auto-id'd
09:21:30 <Discord|> <12e​bering> this stopgap ash should
09:21:31 <advil> and RC before this
09:21:32 <advil> yeah
09:26:35 <advil> man, id code is so complicated
09:44:33 <Cheibriados> New branch created: ash-fix (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/ash-fix
09:44:33 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[ash-fix] * 0.27-a0-321-g5c60ac6: Quick ash id fix 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5c60ac6a0841
09:45:42 <advil> could use another look at that commit
09:45:48 <advil> which is why it's in a branch
09:46:42 <gammafunk> I remember all the attendant fun of fixing id issues from ebering's monster-equip-id work
09:46:51 <gammafunk> we were fixing a lot of weird bugs
09:47:11 <Discord|> <12e​bering> perhaps soon we can fix all of them forever
09:47:44 <gammafunk> by removing mimics!
09:48:10 <Discord|> <12e​bering> @advil looks good to me
09:49:26 <advil> thx
10:02:00 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.27-a0-322-gb8f8a8f: Quick ash id fix 10(20 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b8f8a8f69840
10:02:37 <advil> !versions
10:02:37 <advil> !version
10:02:37 <Henzell> trunk: 0.27-a0-291-gd9602db;  0.26: 0.26.1;  0.25: 0.25.1-9-gc5326a6;  0.24: 0.24.1-14-gf8d2b50;  0.23: 0.23.3-3-gaaff5ab;  0.22: 0.22.3-3-g34f245f;  0.21: 0.21.3-3-g218456f;  0.20: 0.20.2-3-g29329e0;  0.19: 0.19.6-3-g7d5932f;  0.18: 0.18.2-3-g5ac21b8;  0.17: 0.17.3-4-g93a25c6;  0.16: 0.16.3-4-gc506b73;  0.15: 0.15.3-3-g8e88d0d;  0.14: 0.14.3-3-g02348ce;  0.13: 0.13.3-3-g4e9f7b7;  0.12: 0.12.4-3-g8567966;  0.11: 0.11..
10:03:22 <advil> ^version
10:03:23 <Cbrotell> trunk: 0.27-a0-320-g81d27af2d4;  0.26: 0.26.1-2-gb8aa6d0cf2;  0.25: 0.25.1-9-gc5326a611f;  0.24: 0.24.1-14-gf8d2b509d9
10:11:14 <gammafunk> !cmd versions
10:11:15 <Sequell> No command !versions
10:11:20 <gammafunk> &versions
10:11:27 <Sequell> CAO: 0.27-a0-291-gd9602db, CBRO: none, CDO: 0.27-a0-320-g81d27af2d4, CKO: 0.27-a0-321-g42d3f6298c, CPO: 0.27-a0-321-g42d3f62, CUE: 0.27-a0-295-ge1136d6ca4, CWZ: 0.27-a0-320-g81d27af2d4, CXC: 0.27-a0-320-g81d27af2d4, LLD: 0.27-a0-277-g024f7ef292
10:11:28 <advil> it's a serverbot specific command
10:11:29 <Cbrotell> Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.27-a0-322-gb8f8a8f698 (34)
10:11:47 <advil> the ! one
10:12:02 <gammafunk> yeah, actually checks the installed version
10:12:06 <gammafunk> instead of just checking milestone
10:12:22 <Discord|> <03w​heals> seems like the god_id_item function could be simplified further now
10:12:33 <advil> yeah, I wasn't sure what some of the code did any more
10:13:00 <advil> a bunch that I did remove was clearly outdated
10:13:12 <advil> I'd completely forgotten about ash only iding pluses for cursed slots
10:14:09 <Discord|> <03w​heals> the second if will never run, because ided will always be bitwise 0
10:14:09 <advil> oh right, oops
10:14:26 <Discord|> <03w​heals> so i think that if should just be merged into the first one
10:14:34 <Discord|> <03w​heals> not running set_ident_flags may be a problem
10:17:29 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-322-gb8f8a8f698 (34)
10:18:48 <advil> that call is supposed to be set_ident_flags
10:23:00 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.27-a0-323-gbd08940: Further fix ash id (wheals) 10(84 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bd089401bb33
10:23:37 <Discord|> <03w​heals> it looks to me like the auto_id_inventory is obsolete now, but i may be missing something
10:23:37 <advil> on join you mean?
10:23:41 <Discord|> <03w​heals> oh
10:23:47 <Discord|> <03w​heals> that'd be the one time it isn't obsolete
10:23:59 <advil> the thing I added in tags.cc also does it for the sake of save compat
10:24:16 <Discord|> <03w​heals> but it happens at some other points, like when an item is cursed, or when you train a weapon skill
10:24:21 <Discord|> <03w​heals> so those other calls should just be removed
10:31:30 <Cbrotell> Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.27-a0-323-gbd089401bb (34)
10:32:05 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-323-gbd089401bb (34)
10:41:13 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.27-a0-324-g75ad407: Remove some extraneous uses of auto_id_inventory 10(52 seconds ago, 3 files, 0+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/75ad407e7cac
10:47:38 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-324-g75ad407e7c (34)
12:30:30 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.27-a0-324-g75ad407 (34)
13:03:16 <advil> "It can hit for up to 10 damage plus its +0 spectral rapier."
13:05:15 <advil> are spectral weapons carrying themselves?
13:05:26 <advil> I guess I wouldn't be surprised if that is literally how it is implemented
13:06:25 <Discord|> <03w​heals> always has been, inherited from dancing weapons
13:07:50 <Discord|> <12e​bering> animated armour also wears itself
13:10:48 <gammafunk> yes, that's how they work
13:10:55 <gammafunk> *?? dancing weapon ; rapier
13:10:59 <gammafunk> @?? dancing weapon ; rapier
13:10:59 <Gretell> dancing weapon (10() | Spd: 18 | HD: 15 | HP: 24 | AC/EV: 8/19 | Dam: 16 | 11non-living, fighter, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13will(invuln), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04miasma, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 913 | Sz: small | Int: brainless.
13:11:04 <gammafunk> @?? dancing weapon ; bardiche
13:11:05 <Gretell> dancing weapon (05() | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 18/15 | Dam: 36 | 11non-living, fighter, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13will(invuln), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04miasma, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 823 | Sz: small | Int: brainless.
13:12:13 <gammafunk> never realized they have the fighter flag
13:14:23 <gammafunk> what's funny is you can create dancing launchers, but they crash the game
13:14:33 <gammafunk> when they try to attack, that is
13:14:39 <gammafunk> at least they did in the past
13:14:43 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> @??animated armour ; robe
13:14:44 <Discord|> <04C​erebot>  animated armour ([) | Spd: 10 (move: 300%) | HD: 15 | HP: 33-49 | AC/EV: 4/5 | Dam: 4, 4 | non-living, weapons, items, doors, unbreathing | Res: will(invuln), poison+++, drown, miasma, neg+++, torm | XP: 918 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless.
13:14:52 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> cool, it works
13:14:55 <gammafunk> which I only learned when I did `dancing weapon ; any`
13:15:02 <gammafunk> er any weapon
13:15:07 <gammafunk> because that includes launchers
13:15:14 <gammafunk> *??animated armour ; hat
13:15:17 <gammafunk> @??animated armour ; hat
13:15:18 <Gretell> animated armour (03[) | Spd: 10 (move: 300%) | HD: 15 | HP: 33-49 | AC/EV: 8/5 | Dam: 1, 1 | 11non-living, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 13will(invuln), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04miasma, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 918 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless.
13:15:33 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> @??animated armour ; barding
13:15:34 <Discord|> <04C​erebot>  animated armour ([) | Spd: 10 (move: 300%) | HD: 15 | HP: 33-49 | AC/EV: 8/5 | Dam: 1, 1 | non-living, weapons, items, doors, unbreathing | Res: will(invuln), poison+++, drown, miasma, neg+++, torm | XP: 918 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless.
13:15:38 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> rip
13:15:58 <gammafunk> @??animated armour ; ring of fire
13:15:58 <Gretell> animated armour (03[) | Spd: 10 (move: 300%) | HD: 15 | HP: 33-49 | AC/EV: 8/5 | Dam: 1, 1 | 11non-living, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 13will(invuln), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04miasma, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 918 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless.
13:16:11 <gammafunk> alas, no fire resistance
13:16:48 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i think it has the resist but it’s not displayed properly
13:17:00 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> you can test ingame w ring of ice and fireball
13:17:05 <gammafunk> well, it's probably not equipping the ring
13:18:00 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> unsure
13:18:00 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> @??animated armour ; ice dragon scales
13:18:00 <Discord|> <04C​erebot>  animated armour ([) | Spd: 10 (move: 300%) | HD: 15 | HP: 33-49 | AC/EV: 18/4 | Dam: 49, 49 | non-living, weapons, items, doors, unbreathing | Res: will(invuln), poison+++, drown, miasma, neg+++, torm | XP: 918 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless.
13:18:00 <gammafunk> you can give monsters items that they can't equip, and they'll just drop it
13:18:00 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> there’s a known bug where monster resists from items don’t appear in xv correctly
13:18:32 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> think monster just has the same issue
13:18:33 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> hm
13:18:46 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> @??animated armour ; ring of protection
13:18:46 <Discord|> <04C​erebot>  animated armour ([) | Spd: 10 (move: 300%) | HD: 15 | HP: 33-49 | AC/EV: 12/5 | Dam: 1, 1 | non-living, weapons, items, doors, unbreathing | Res: will(invuln), poison+++, drown, miasma, neg+++, torm | XP: 918 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless.
13:18:53 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> yeah it’s equipping it
13:21:45 <gammafunk> yeah, if you try
13:22:04 <gammafunk> @??animate armour ; cloak ego:resistance
13:22:04 <Gretell> unknown monster: "animate armour"
13:22:08 <gammafunk> @??animated armour ; cloak ego:resistance
13:22:08 <Gretell> animated armour (03[) | Spd: 10 (move: 300%) | HD: 15 | HP: 33-49 | AC/EV: 8/5 | Dam: 1, 1 | 11non-living, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 13will(invuln), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04miasma, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 918 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless.
13:22:13 <gammafunk> it will just not wear the cloak
13:22:34 <gammafunk> so both of those things can happen
13:22:47 <gammafunk> but x-v does seem to always correctly indicate if the monster is at least wearing it
13:24:24 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> sure
13:26:48 <Discord|> <12p​atrickm> animated armour? new spell?
13:27:17 <Discord|> <12e​bering> yep
13:29:34 <Discord|> <12p​atrickm> neateaux
13:29:48 <Discord|> <12p​atrickm> is it just body armor or can you stick gloves and helmets on there too
13:32:04 <kate-> re: the demigod PR, i'm not sure that upping their XP mod is needed, it seems fitting to keep them as the only -2
13:33:42 <kate-> especially with the +4 stat change seeming pretty substantial, i could see it being reasonable with +3 stats each time maybe
13:34:16 <gammafunk> 574862 gammafunk the Skullcrusher (level 27, -2/199 HPs) *WIZ*
13:34:16 <gammafunk> Began as a Vampire Fighter on Feb 7, 2021.
13:34:16 <gammafunk> Slain by an animated armour (8 damage)
13:34:16 <gammafunk> ... summoned by the player character
13:34:33 <gammafunk> difficult to achieve in practice, but maybe someone will die this way in spider
13:35:21 <gammafunk> not possible with spectral weapon, I don't think
13:36:03 <kate-> (and i'm also generally a fan of current demigods, so i'd definitely favour staying based around the current design)
13:42:02 <kate-> also i was curious what would happen if you tried to animate armour with unrands equipped, but i guess the spell just creates summons based on the mundane base type
13:44:40 <gammafunk> This spell would have no effect right now because you don't have enough magic to
13:44:43 <gammafunk> cast that spell.
13:45:17 <gammafunk> some language we could clean up in terms of simplification and grammar, I guess
13:46:08 <gammafunk> probably somewhat difficult to do that since the description logic here is likely generalized
13:46:56 <kate-> i guess because it uses that same reason snippet ("you don't have enough magic [...]") in multiple places
13:46:56 <kate-> yeah
14:10:54 <twelwe> lmao you guys just annihilated frozen ramparts
14:11:47 <twelwe> IE is like a turret build now. statue form should go ice. just buff up, stand still, hope for the best
14:40:04 <twelwe> FR: fire spell like hailstorm. surrounds caster with weak explosion 1st turn. second turn, powerful explosion, two tiles away only. third turn, powerful explosion three tiles away. channeling spell
15:29:47 <advil> actually that grammar thing looks pretty fixable
15:46:13 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.27-a0-325-gda14cb0: Fix some uselessness grammar (gammafunk) 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 37+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/da14cb041316
15:51:59 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.27-a0-326-g81277db: Change demigod stats and exp apt. 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/81277dbfc4c8
15:51:59 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-327-g433c55a: Remove a semicolon 10(22 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/433c55acf397
15:53:29 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> oops i forgot to change the commit title
15:54:03 <advil> it is lies
16:02:57 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-327-g433c55acf3 (34)
16:17:55 <Cheibriados> New branch created: ashenzaru (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/ashenzaru
16:17:56 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[ashenzaru] * 0.27-a0-328-g7f97c62: Reforge the Chains I: Remove old Ash actives 10(3 hours ago, 16 files, 37+ 471-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7f97c62a4c0e
16:17:56 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[ashenzaru] * 0.27-a0-329-ga4c1498: Reforge the Chains II: Adjust Ash passives 10(11 minutes ago, 16 files, 60+ 36-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a4c14989c2e6
16:18:39 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> @ebering GREAT branch name
16:24:10 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/1736 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1736
16:24:10 <Cheibriados> Branch pull/1736 updated to be equal with ashenzaru: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1736
16:26:45 <Discord|> <12e​bering> @PleasingFungus I'm very proud of it
16:28:28 <Discord|> <12e​bering> I've got more thoughts about cursing (the current draft of it seems rather complicated with the whole lock the slot even if no item and wait for the item behavior)
16:30:14 <Discord|> <12e​bering> continuing with the curses are binding yourself for secret knowledge direction, ash could just offer a (choice?) skill-boosting-curse that must be applied to an item soon after its offered
16:30:14 <Discord|> <12e​bering> declining increases timer
16:30:14 <Discord|> <12e​bering> might be too slow on piety gain if you keep rolling "unwanted" skills
16:30:28 <Discord|> <12e​bering> but also could be character shaping
16:31:58 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 {ebering} 07* 0.27-a0-328-g7f782ed: Update copyright date in LICENSE 10(24 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7f782ed93ab0
16:32:43 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> hm
16:33:54 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08ashenzaru @ a4c14989 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/555941081
16:34:11 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> depends whether we think there are enough interesting choices about which item to curse w/o a finger on the scales
16:34:30 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> does it need to be ‘soon after it’s offered’?
16:34:42 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> if you just get no benefit until the curse actually lands
16:34:48 <Discord|> <12e​bering> true
16:34:50 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> that feels like enough incentive
16:36:40 <Discord|> <12e​bering> I think there are probably enough incentives; imagine a very desirable skill boost (lie fighting) is offered early when you’ve only got your starter gear
16:38:33 <Discord|> <12e​bering> I’ll sleep on it
16:40:43 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i guess my concern is whether it’s a ‘no brainer’ which of your items you want to curse
16:41:01 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> when you get offered a place anywhere curse
16:41:07 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> maybe it’s a cool decision tho
16:47:06 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-328-g7f782ed93a (34)
18:23:28 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.27-a0-328-g7f782ed93a (34)
18:23:51 <twelwe> guys, i get the FR nerfs, but the movement confirmation is killing me. ebering says i need a script and despite thoughts and prayers, no script. can this please just be a y/n thing in options please
22:21:15 -!- Yermak_ is now known as Yermak