00:00:29 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> seems silly
00:00:34 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> but that’s crawl
00:03:26 <gammafunk> maybe something I can go refactor later then
01:52:24 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1060-g086102a3f0
02:25:57 <Discord|> <12e​bering> clang generates a lot of warnings for some of our range loops that are not ref types
02:40:58 <Cbrotell> Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1060-g086102a3f0 (34)
02:52:19 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1060-g086102a3f0
03:30:53 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-3791-g140e06f8db
03:32:06 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.03-24-g87f73cd94e
06:04:32 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
06:20:59 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1061-gd2882a9: Update the changelog 10(51 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d2882a9c4faf
06:20:59 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1062-g00aba19: Update the credits 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/00aba192f227
06:27:43 <Discord|> <12e​bering> oops. should have put the new quiver in the highlights
06:31:52 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1062-g00aba192f2 (34)
09:35:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1063-ged47246: Ground out retaliatory shocks (10990) 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed47246d5664
09:35:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1064-gb609fa9: Remove the no_submerge fprop (12309) 10(2 hours ago, 5 files, 2+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b609fa9e76ec
09:35:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1065-g58b0234: Use feat_eliminates_items appropriately (12258, 12402) 10(24 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/58b023428269
09:35:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1066-g2c94d5e: Vault cleanup (bcadren) 10(2 hours ago, 5 files, 6+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2c94d5e1d57a
09:35:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1067-g7c2e738: Source code cleanup (bcadren) 10(2 hours ago, 4 files, 7+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c2e7382c0f4
09:35:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1068-g6b7d043: Preserve Erica's custom scimitar (12199) 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b7d0433bcc7
09:35:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1069-g0e109d3: Fix the organization of dc-mon.txt (12306) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0e109d350770
09:42:42 <gammafunk> ??zin wrath
09:42:42 <Sequell> zin wrath[1/1]: No effect unless worshipping an evil or chaotic god. Recite (either sleep, confusion or paralysis), removes all good mutations, makes you hungry or makes noise.
09:59:44 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1069-g0e109d3507 (34)
10:10:06 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1070-g320aac6: Remove a reference to food (12368) 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/320aac65f4db
10:10:06 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1071-gc6392dc: Remove the anti-cannibalism conduct (12368) 10(4 minutes ago, 4 files, 5+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c6392dc34d0b
10:19:23 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1071-gc6392dc34d (34)
10:27:54 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-1072-gcd3bf97: Remove no_submerge from docs and des syntax highlighting 10(48 seconds ago, 2 files, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cd3bf97d0bbf
10:31:51 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1072-gcd3bf97d0b (34)
10:50:11 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08master @ cd3bf97d 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/419017979
10:57:12 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-1073-g61de542: Provide a way to use pkg-config on mac 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/61de54256c8e
11:01:53 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1073-g61de54256c (34)
11:37:43 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-1074-g89b3258: Mention seeds in the issue template 10(58 seconds ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/89b3258002bb
11:46:58 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1074-g89b3258002 (34)
12:26:31 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1074-g89b3258 (34)
13:57:54 <Kelbell> foker (L6 DEFE) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(&mons)) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 1469 failed. (D (Sprint))
13:59:22 <Discord|> <12e​bering> !crashlog
13:59:24 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> 23247. ArcanElement, XL26 DEWz, T:113862 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/ArcanElement/crash-ArcanElement-20201213-002044.txt
14:00:08 <geekosaur> sprint
14:00:11 <geekosaur> !crashlog sprint
14:00:12 <Sequell> 1. sprint, XL21 CeHu, T:51753 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/sprint/crash-sprint-20190203-215150.txt
14:00:40 <geekosaur> !crashlog foker sprint
14:00:41 <Sequell> 1. foker, XL6 DEFE, T:311 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/foker/crash-foker-20201213-185746.txt
14:00:47 <geekosaur> derp
14:03:25 <Kelbell> foker (L6 DEFE) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(&mons)) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 1469 failed. (D (Sprint))
14:07:45 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[hpdrain] * 0.26-a0-1075-g409a3c2: Some more changelog updates 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/409a3c2d39b3
14:07:45 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[hpdrain] * 0.26-a0-1076-g9af6682: Remove an unused actor method argument 10(5 hours ago, 3 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9af6682bb383
14:07:45 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[hpdrain] * 0.26-a0-1077-g61a0d11: Remove the hungry dead undead type 10(4 hours ago, 5 files, 6+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/61a0d11d0002
14:07:45 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[hpdrain] * 0.26-a0-1078-ge4ed2db: Rework player drain to temporary max HP reduction 10(4 hours ago, 53 files, 260+ 488-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e4ed2db5b5b0
14:07:45 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[hpdrain] * 0.26-a0-1079-g6398e8d: Remove unused hint code instead of using TAG MAJOR 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 0+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6398e8d4cc8d
14:11:29 <Discord|> <12e​bering> I'm thinking that ramparts should maybe cancel on move
14:11:34 <Discord|> <12e​bering> @gammafunk
14:13:19 <Cheibriados> Quivered ammo with CMD_AUTOFIGHT_NOMOVE in initial game state 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12405 by Siegurt
14:14:21 <gammafunk> I suppose it could, but what's the specific justification for that change? Is it because luring monsters over damaging squares is bad? Because we have a lot of spells that do just that
14:16:19 <Discord|> <12e​bering> it's the anti-synergy with ozo's armour, and also its particular combination of luring, area, and duration seems a lot better than comparable spells at that level
14:16:32 <Discord|> <12e​bering> and changing the positional rules feels better to me than tweaking the numbers
14:24:22 <gammafunk> I think it's pretty comparable to something like meph in those three regards; it definitely has more area on-average than most L3 spells, with a high ceiling, but you do need to find the right wall config to get that ceiling
14:25:20 <gammafunk> the ozo's armour thing is kind of compelling, but honestly I'm not thrilled about there being more of that particular positional limitation as it tends to be annoying when you're under that restriction an awful lot
14:26:27 <Discord|> <12e​bering> I'm a fan of that positional limitation
14:26:36 <Discord|> <12e​bering> so I guess that's what's tipping my balance
14:26:48 <Discord|> <12e​bering> because I agree, in isolation the spell could go either way
14:27:03 <Discord|> <12e​bering> but in the context of its school and where many players see it the anti-synergy feels a bit strange
14:27:26 <gammafunk> well, what's the strong case for it going any way? I didn't really agree to that fully
14:28:01 <gammafunk> wrt to balance, I mean; I see the anti-ozo synergy if there's a luring component to an IE spell
14:28:58 <Discord|> <12e​bering> well, putting the move limit on it would put it into the weaker end of L3 spells as opposed to where it is currently, since it would retain its wall requirements but those become stricter, but imo a end-on-move ramparts is still strong enough to be L3
14:29:39 <Discord|> <12e​bering> so when I say "go either way" I don't mean the balance is equal, but that it still falls in the L3 spell range with either configuration
14:31:01 <gammafunk> I dunno, we don't typically design every spell in a starting book around one limitation of another spell in the book
14:31:01 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Sure. None of the points i've made in isolation makes the case
14:31:15 <gammafunk> what was more maybe on my radar, and I also concede this may require further thought/changes: removing SIB from the IE book
14:31:29 <gammafunk> but I know you had made hailstorm to work in part with that spell
14:32:00 <gammafunk> but it does seem like ramparts covers "damage up close" fairly well for the range hailstorm can't hit
14:32:52 <gammafunk> I'm not trying to shoot down ramparts changes btw, but I guess I'd like any change to be the best one in the context of the IE book; anti-ozo synergy is certainly a good point
14:33:06 <gammafunk> but the ozo conduct is also a frequent source of player complaints
14:33:38 <gammafunk> and tbf a good number of players do complain about luring and probably also think that ramparts is a bit too strong
14:34:08 <gammafunk> one thing I'll say about it: it sure feels better in tree form, where the UI prevents you from "breaking" the conduct
14:34:16 <gammafunk> re: the no-move conduct
14:34:49 <gammafunk> like you hit tab and you've lost your armour. At least I think tab does that. In any case, I break it accidentally entirely too much when trying to use it
14:39:11 <Discord|> <12e​bering> that seems a bit more a ui issue w/ozo
14:39:22 <Discord|> <12e​bering> than an actual gameplay issue with the nomove conduct
14:43:08 <gammafunk> Unfortuately we have no way of knowing what UI actually is! --Dr. Leo Spaceman
15:05:21 -!- Discord|5 is now known as Discord|
15:10:53 <gammafunk> is the tiles build broken?
15:11:13 <gammafunk> https://travis-ci.org/github/crawl/crawl/jobs/749463257
15:11:29 <gammafunk> I've seen this on a couple builds
15:59:54 <Bcadren> ebering can I get a mainline credit now after all that stuff from this morning that primarily sources to my reports? :)
16:19:21 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.26-a0-1075-g7ab0d7d: Remove an unused actor method argument 10(7 hours ago, 3 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7ab0d7dac817
16:19:21 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.26-a0-1076-g1fec4fe: Remove the hungry dead undead type 10(7 hours ago, 5 files, 6+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1fec4fe3f841
16:19:21 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.26-a0-1077-g4cbea82: Rework player drain to temporary max HP reduction 10(6 hours ago, 53 files, 260+ 488-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4cbea82fa3b6
16:19:21 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.26-a0-1078-gd9a9927: Remove unused hint code instead of using TAG MAJOR 10(4 hours ago, 2 files, 0+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d9a99272a736
16:19:21 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.26-a0-1079-g3a4175e: Some more changelog updates 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3a4175ecf3bd
16:48:16 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1079-g3a4175ecf3 (34)
17:38:21 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
18:30:45 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.26-a0-1079-g3a4175ecf3 (34)
21:27:48 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.26-a0-1080-g4c0aae8: Fix Irradiate damage (Midn8) 10(51 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4c0aae810e2a
21:32:16 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-1080-g4c0aae810e (34)
23:40:41 <runrin> i just had a volcano spawn and got zero messages about being close/far and it collapsed without a message
23:44:45 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Can you make a save backup?
23:44:45 <Discord|> <12e​bering> ??backup
23:44:45 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> backup[1/1]: To backup your save: 1. ssh/telnet into the server in question and login; 2. select the relevant version; 3. pick (A)dvanced Options; 4. choose (B)ackup your save-game
23:44:45 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Then report on mantis please
23:44:45 <Discord|> <12e​bering> 🙂
23:44:46 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Bcadren: if you want to be in the credits, send in patches instead of bug reports 🙂