00:01:10 <Yermak> ebering, xp-decaying contam will allow chain-invisibility
00:09:48 <PleasingFungus> very good point
00:12:50 <PleasingFungus> huh, for some reason i thought contam was fuzzed, but it's not at all
00:21:08 <alexjurkiewicz> *Contam could totally just malmutate on unwield
00:31:11 <amalloy> that does sound like a nice simplification to me, if we're thinking of removing contam in general
00:31:11 <PleasingFungus> oh, i wasn't
00:31:11 <PleasingFungus> i like contam
00:31:30 <PleasingFungus> i don't feel strongly about *contam in particular, but i like the way that contam works with irradiate and invis
00:33:11 <PleasingFungus> right now it takes between 50 to 150 rest off one !invis completely (after the effect ends)
00:33:24 <PleasingFungus> er, that's in turns, or deAut for shourt
00:34:01 <PleasingFungus> wait, that's a lie
00:34:57 <PleasingFungus> that's for +invis at 17 evo
00:36:43 <PleasingFungus> i don't really care about resting off invis pot
00:38:09 <PleasingFungus> irradiate takes 40-60 turns
00:42:42 <PleasingFungus> at 50 power, spell invis is between 50 to 120 turns, very roughly
00:43:48 <PleasingFungus> so if you make invis run, say, 3x faster: irradiate gets significantly more powerful, spell and evo invis can be rested off in about 30ish turns instead of about 100
00:47:07 <PleasingFungus> and going from yellow to grey goes from 200 turns to 70ish
00:47:46 <PleasingFungus> i don't think those let you do anything scummy you couldn't already...?
01:23:40 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.26-a0-479-g81d34b6: Triple contamination decay 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/81d34b63e820
01:32:05 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-479-g81d34b63e8 (34)
01:34:24 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.26-a0-479-g81d34b63e8 (34)
01:41:18 <PleasingFungus> trivia: sword of zonguldrok messaging is sort of busted with sac love. the eternal curse of all dcss devs, message ordering
01:41:31 <PleasingFungus> i was thinking about fixing this while making allies not angered by gods, but then i didn't. sorry
01:55:08 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.26-a0-479-g81d34b63e8
01:58:42 <Bcadren> I'm having a colour crash due to warlock's mirror and want to know if this was already fixed by mainline. (Hex reflected by warlock's mirror forgets it's colour and crashes due to invalid colour part of the time)...none of the functions in the stack trace have been changed lately so I'm not sure if it's my bug... >_>
02:03:24 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.26-a0-480-gf0b7f46: Turn +Rats into *Rats 10(8 minutes ago, 11 files, 41+ 36-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f0b7f4657e09
02:05:56 <Bcadren> nevermind; this is definitely my bug. >_> Warlock's Mirror's behavior is completely wonky. Probably been broken awhile and just discovered via someone actually finding it.
02:31:27 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-480-gf0b7f4657e (34)
02:33:31 <Henzell> horredgrones (L23 DsFi)  (Depths:3)
02:33:37 <Henzell> Webtiles server restarted.
02:47:02 <alexjurkiewicz> PleasingFungus: you could increase the contam given by irradiate if the increased falloff is too strong
02:47:15 <alexjurkiewicz> i guess you thought of that, but you didn't mention it, and it seems an obvious solution?
03:24:26 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.26-a0-480-gf0b7f46 (34)
03:32:24 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-3512-g07513b9fcb
03:35:04 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22.1-2915-g5364bac67f
05:06:51 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
06:29:15 -!- randart_ is now known as randart
10:30:47 <PleasingFungus> alexjurkiewicz: the current amounts of contam for irradiate were pretty carefully calibrated to allow for a specific number of repeated casts... three casts in a row are always safe. can't bump it up much without changing that. (but you could change spell level, damage, etc instead... not very worried)
10:53:15 <gammafunk> I was worried once
11:19:46 <advil> am I hallucinating that ` used to work for wizmode commands?
11:39:59 <PleasingFungus> advil: it still works for me
11:40:15 <PleasingFungus> what command are you trying?
11:41:52 <advil> &o
11:42:20 <advil> in this case I stopped being lazy and figured out the syntax for setting quantity directly with &%
11:42:43 <advil> but I've noticed this for other wizmode commands that I'd swear used to work too
11:42:50 <PleasingFungus> v0v
11:42:59 <advil> maybe monster creation?
11:50:34 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-481-g77715f0: Fix a smallterm crash and refactor slightly 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 19+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77715f0e7d35
11:51:22 <advil> hm I bet I got the #ifdefs not quite right there
11:52:16 <advil> well, what else is ci for if not to find out that
11:52:25 <PleasingFungus> lol
11:55:00 <advil> usually when I mess that up it's a local tile build failure anyways
11:58:44 <advil> man, ui robustness improvements have definitely exposed what a mess ranged tabbing is
12:00:32 <advil> !rng hax rewrite
12:00:33 <Sequell> The RNG chooses: hax.
12:00:36 <advil> so be it
12:03:19 <PleasingFungus> can't argue with rng
12:06:30 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-481-g77715f0e7d (34)
13:28:29 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.26-a0-481-g77715f0 (34)
13:29:12 -!- cebolla is now known as spicycat
13:29:50 <advil> huh I think the hax I had in mind already exist but are broken
13:29:54 <advil> #crawlcode
13:56:26 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
13:58:20 <advil> hm is it possible for a player rc to change autofight code?
13:58:27 <advil> i.e. replace the functions or whatever?
13:58:32 <advil> I'm wondering because it is run as clua
14:29:30 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.26-a0-482-g0de94a4: Remove a rat dprf 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0de94a4e4ab3
14:29:30 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.26-a0-483-g5ca82d7: Simplify the Scarf of Shadows 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5ca82d7491e7
14:32:15 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-483-g5ca82d7491 (34)
14:36:38 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.26-a0-484-g3521204: Don't trigger *Rage on riposte 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3521204769f2
14:46:53 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-484-g3521204769 (34)
15:14:20 <Implojin> advil: yes, it's possible for players to redefine that stuff in their rcs
15:16:53 <twelwe> i get why you guys took out lashing with digging, but it does allow Fo to "bank" a lash by digging. im using it a lot to get one space away from an enemy to hailstorm, and finding myself with one turn of lash that I can freely dig my way through the level for another encounter
15:18:41 <twelwe> dig lashing isn't that powerful with dig lunging removed. i kinda like both versions for vastly different reasons
15:20:12 <Implojin> everything on the clua side, anyway
15:21:17 <advil> do you know if people actually do that?
15:21:17 <Implojin> not frequently
15:21:17 <advil> I don't mean redefine tab, but actually change the value of the lua function
15:21:26 <Implojin> i have, i think qw might have
15:21:30 <advil> I see
15:21:42 <Implojin> most rcs i've looked at do not go heavy into lua functions
15:21:58 <Implojin> players seem to use, like
15:22:02 <Implojin> force_mores
15:22:06 <Implojin> HDA's stuff
15:22:10 <Implojin> maybe gammafunk's stuff
15:22:21 <advil> yeah a lot of people cut and paste something
15:22:33 <Implojin> and then you occasionally see someone doing something creative like that auto-kite thing
15:23:12 <twelwe> implojin go on
15:24:04 <twelwe> i want auto kite for my frozen ramparts
15:24:10 <advil> I was wondering because it's weird / bad code-wise for this to be clua and not dlua, but I'm not sure I'm in a hurry to change that
15:24:43 <Implojin> https://github.com/marksg07/pillardance
15:24:46 <Implojin> there it is
15:24:49 <Implojin> had to find the link
15:24:56 <Implojin> i mean
15:24:59 <Implojin> technically
15:25:31 <Implojin> if the underlying implementation still uses clua hooks, players can just rewrite it as an rcfile function and mind a macro to that instead of using hit_closest
15:25:38 <Implojin> bind*
15:25:43 <advil> yeah, there should always be alternatives
15:26:49 <advil> one thing I noticed is that autofight because of this should be subject to clua throttling on servers, but I'm not sure that is as impactful as I was originally worried it would be
15:27:41 <Implojin> also, twelwe: do you have any feedback on rampaging? i saw you were using it with a kobold (?), and i have a small concern that it might end up being utterly ridiculous with kobold nightstalker now
15:30:46 <Implojin> the thing about rcfile lua is that to use it, players have to first know about crawl rcfiles, then they have to know it's possible to put lua in there, then they have to somehow discover the clua binds: i don't think that crawl docs page is, like, commonly being linked anywhere that i've seen
15:31:03 <advil> it is not
15:31:15 <advil> it probably should be but generating it broke at some point and no one has figured out how to fix it
15:31:22 <twelwe> a bunch. i think its great for things like absolute zero and kobolds with big stealth. it synergizes with serpent lash for four free movements.
15:31:26 <Implojin> feels to me like most of that was probably intended as accessibility stuff and maybe some hacks to make qw work
15:31:48 <Implojin> also i guess crawl's delay code winds through there in a weird way
15:32:21 <twelwe> implojin i believe the boots need to make noise otherwise they are way too strong for stealth characters
15:32:33 <twelwe> i did a wizmode of ko^wu and it was absolutely nuts
15:34:55 <twelwe> you might also split boots like scarves/cloaks, hats/helmets, and make something different for small species foot slot with some interesting abilities
15:35:42 <Implojin> yeah, that was something i realized after it was merged and I was trying to find player games that had actually found rampaging: the boot slot is unavailable for a lot of chars
15:35:57 <twelwe> with full los i think its just a great item and im only sad it doesnt work with lunge/whirlwind just like every other cool thing that wu used to own when it workedith
15:35:58 <Implojin> i was thinking maybe making it available as a randart prop
15:36:17 <twelwe> i'll try to find mine
15:36:28 <twelwe> i took them off because, of couse, i was playing wu
15:38:05 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-485-g8fb9d0a: Speed up autofire somewhat 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 10+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8fb9d0a81af1
15:38:29 <twelwe> http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/twelwe/morgue-twelwe-20200730-190558.txt i eventually just dropped them
15:40:42 <Implojin> thanks for the feedback twelwe :)
15:41:18 <twelwe> im under dev penance for a decade so im trying to work it off
15:41:44 <twelwe> one less gammafunk blast to expect now
15:43:12 <twelwe> i gotta see how it works with salamander scales too
15:47:10 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-485-g8fb9d0a81a (34)
15:51:35 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08master @ 8fb9d0a8 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/191486320
15:52:57 <advil> webiltes build error: "ERROR: THESE PACKAGES DO NOT MATCH THE HASHES FROM THE REQUIREMENTS FILE."
15:54:27 <advil> I'm not sure what hashes it's talking about
15:56:12 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.26-a0-486-g1138013: Make Zot messages more explicit 10(33 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1138013c8303
15:58:01 <advil> maybe if you have exhausted all levels in a branch, "Travel to new levels before you perish!" => "Exit BRANCH before you perish!"
16:02:12 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-486-g1138013c83 (34)
16:06:12 <PleasingFungus> oh, intelligent messaging
16:06:14 <PleasingFungus> that's cunning
16:21:15 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.26-a0-487-gbff1e92: Disable the zot clock in sprints (hayenne) 10(38 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bff1e920594e
16:31:59 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-487-gbff1e92059 (34)
16:58:20 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
18:24:01 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.26-a0-487-gbff1e92059 (34)
19:19:05 -!- aidanh_ is now known as aidanh
19:34:16 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
22:09:29 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
22:09:34 <Cheibriados> Monsters with wands of polymorph will zap them at you even when in a badform already 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12333 by damerell