00:20:31 <Henzell> Hexpell (L1 FeTm) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:1)
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01:34:24 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.26-a0-476-g6dfca0d9ad (34)
01:50:22 <alexjurkiewicz> one thing about this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/i1068u/just_died_to_zot_finding_me/ is that if you get shafted, the zot clock encourages you to not go upstairs ASAP because the extra turns will get "wasted"
01:52:22 <amalloy> yes, i noticed that too. it seems to make shafting a bigger threat
01:52:32 <rjaguar3> Has there been any thought about warning about travel into a new branch if it would cause the Zot clock to run out?
01:52:50 <rjaguar3> *revisiting a branch, that it
01:55:40 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.26-a0-476-g6dfca0d9ad
03:30:51 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-3512-g07513b9fcb
03:46:38 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22.1-2910-g5b4f1490fa
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06:34:57 <wheals> I was talking to PF about removing the cap on the amount of clock you can amass -- since it's per branch now, to get more time, you have to go to a more dangerous place, which presumably outweighs the gains you'd get from scumming
06:34:57 <Sequell> wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
06:35:00 <wheals> !messages
06:35:00 <Sequell> (1/1) reaverb said (25w 5d 15h 29m 44s ago): Thanks for cleaning up some of my excessive data copying (ff83419037add1). I shall attempt to be more diligent about using const pointers over copying in the future.
06:36:46 <wheals> i'll quote him: i guess the q is: are we ok if people can sit around for 25000 turns on d:5 (and is there much of a difference between that and them sitting around for 12000 turns)
06:38:15 <wheals> my answer was that they can do that only once and then the bank is empty again, and if they want to do it they need to do d:1-4 faster, which, once again, outweighs scumming gains
06:39:02 <wheals> also came up: most of the turns in depths that game were resting off invis, so maybe this is an instance of the clock doing what it should
06:39:56 <wheals> anyway, removing the cap would get rid of that problem with shafts
09:01:34 <ebering> wheals: well, right now the cap is 10k not the 15k pf intended because 6000 * 5 / 3 is not the correct number
09:02:00 <ebering> and yes, this person spent 11127 decaAuts resting in depths
09:02:13 <ebering> imo good clock trigger
09:02:36 <Pinkbeast> decaAuts: can we please invent a time machine and agree ten years ago they are "turns" and the player takes "moves" :-/
09:02:46 <ebering> +Inv and Castable inv using a rest-off-able penalty
09:02:53 <ebering> is a sepearate issue
09:03:22 <ebering> PF said we're giving the player a very slow and powerful gun then getting surprised when they run out the clock trying to use it
09:05:54 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-477-g38aef04: Actually increase the Zot bank to 15k 10(72 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/38aef042b18e
09:18:30 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-477-g38aef042b1 (34)
09:28:39 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.26-a0-477-g38aef04 (34)
09:56:53 <advil> !lg * ktyp=zot
09:56:54 <Sequell> 7. Misa the Ruffian (L2 TrBe of Trog), tarried too long and was consumed by Zot on D:1 on 2020-07-31 08:32:39, with 11 points after 12092 turns and 0:04:45.
09:57:09 <advil> !lg * ktyp=zot s=place
09:57:10 <Sequell> 7 games for * (ktyp=zot): 4x D:1, Sewer, D:2, Depths:5
09:57:25 <advil> !lg * ktyp=zot s=place,time
09:57:26 <Sequell> Unknown field: time
09:57:29 <advil> !lg * ktyp=zot s=place,turns
09:57:30 <Sequell> 7 games for * (ktyp=zot): 4x D:1 (5911, 10645, 11418, 12092), Depths:5 (130704), D:2 (18093), Sewer (5990)
09:58:10 <advil> !lg * ktyp=zot place=sewer -log
09:58:10 <Sequell> 1. vt, XL4 OpDe, T:5990: https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/vt/morgue-vt-20200731-001915.txt
09:58:29 <advil> probably all of these are with the warnings not printing bug
09:59:10 <ebering> yes
09:59:15 <ebering> %git HEAD~
09:59:15 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.26-a0-476-g6dfca0d: Fix multizots 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6dfca0d9add1
09:59:23 <ebering> these are all 475 logs
09:59:24 <advil> why does that show the time table 3 times
09:59:37 <advil> and the depths one is the one that featured on reddit
09:59:42 <ebering> yeah
10:03:38 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.26-a0-477-g38aef04 (34)
10:03:51 <advil> oh I see, that vt game was a delver that immediately entered a sewer
10:03:52 <advil> interesting
10:04:14 <advil> oh also it looks like they were testing it
11:17:30 <advil> btw it occurs to me that one flaw in my data analysis process is that I was focused on winning games because they had complete data
11:18:04 <advil> but to the extent that some of these preliminary early game deaths are not just people playing with the clock, they may represent games that wouldn't have won (but for other reasons than the clock)
11:34:34 <twelwe> kobold with boots of rampaging is insane!
13:05:09 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-478-g6c97825: Don't repeat dump_order fields 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 13+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6c9782530773
13:31:54 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-478-g6c97825307 (34)
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15:36:23 <advil> why do we have clumsy throwing again
15:36:44 <advil> (I think I ask this about once a year and someone tells me, and then I forget within a year)
16:22:39 <Lantell> UristMcRaven (L27 GnCj) ASSERT(valid_cursor_pos(pos.x, pos.y, region)) in 'libutil.cc' at line 405 failed. (invalid cursor position 43,4 in region 2, should be 80,4 in region 0) (Zot:4)
16:36:28 <MainiacJoe> Hello, ebering urged me to stop by here and share with you my ideas for updating the speceis and background recommendations.  Turns out the crawl manual needs updating too in the Species and Background descriptions.
16:36:44 <MainiacJoe> This is a link to my work thus far on the simple species: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QPsh70oji4QPVxf7um-KElhIbNPyzRSG/view?usp=sharing
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18:20:00 <kate--> i think delver is explicitly challenge-based enough that it probably shouldn't be recommended for any species, like wanderer
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18:21:26 <kate-> or i guess gnwn is recommended now, not sure if they should be
18:25:10 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.26-a0-478-g6c97825307 (34)
19:09:05 <MainiacJoe> Yeah I suggest removing GnWn.  Can remove De for all species, too
22:52:59 <PleasingFungus> why does contam take a long time to decay?
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23:08:24 <ebering> PleasingFungus: guess 1: historical accident, guess 2: simulationism (does it have a half-life mechanic?!) guess 3: it's supposed to be "strategic scale" but came before strategic scale things were made xp based
23:08:42 <PleasingFungus> hm
23:08:47 <PleasingFungus> now i want to do crawl archaeology
23:09:16 <PleasingFungus> and then probably speed up contam a bunch
23:09:34 <ebering> hear me out
23:09:41 <ebering> xp-decaying contam
23:10:58 <PleasingFungus> mm
23:11:07 <PleasingFungus> what do we even use contam for these days
23:11:22 <PleasingFungus> it's like... invis, miscasts, hell effects (maybe?), mutagenic clouds lol
23:11:35 <PleasingFungus> oh, of course, my favorite spell: irradiate
23:11:37 <ebering> miscasts, invis (all sources), blink scrolls, teleport cancels, zot traps, distortion unwields, *Contam
23:11:49 <PleasingFungus> right, *contam is notable
23:11:58 <PleasingFungus> a lot of those other ones aren't
23:12:17 <ebering> miscasts can be
23:12:27 <ebering> they're a bigger deal w/new miscasts
23:12:35 <PleasingFungus> sure
23:12:51 <PleasingFungus> i'm mostly eyeing the scrolls
23:13:06 <PleasingFungus> controlled blink still exists, right? or did that get removed
23:13:46 <ebering> kate-: is in the process of shaping up a patch that removes that and the contam from scrolls
23:14:15 <PleasingFungus> rip
23:14:22 <PleasingFungus> what if i want to save controlled blink
23:14:36 <ebering> the pr is open
23:14:39 <ebering> make a case!
23:14:49 <PleasingFungus> it sounds tiring
23:14:51 <PleasingFungus> i'd rather add new things
23:15:43 <PleasingFungus> like sonic elementals
23:16:21 <ebering> palentonga branch when
23:16:37 <PleasingFungus> when indeed.
23:16:54 <ebering> trampling elephants + charging palentonga hoplites sounds like some "fun" monster interaction
23:17:08 <PleasingFungus> very dynamic
23:17:50 <PleasingFungus> they're gonna be big hits when i rework lair
23:18:29 <twelwe> gonna make kobolds invis outside 5 los?
23:18:34 <twelwe> *monster
23:19:19 <PleasingFungus> absolutely
23:19:19 <twelwe> yesss
23:21:07 <twelwe> last bugfix for dc:pt: all pizza is rotten and inedible, because its been sitting in a dungeon for years
23:26:43 <PleasingFungus> sad
23:26:46 <PleasingFungus> but appropriate
23:27:08 <PleasingFungus> ebering: i journeyed to the beginning of time and found that contam is: a mess
23:27:27 <PleasingFungus> i think it's somewhere between your three answers, though sadly no half-life
23:29:19 <ebering> dang
23:34:03 <Henzell> thepet (L18 GrFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 226: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Snake:4)
23:34:03 <Henzell> Torowin (L2 MiBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 226: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1)
23:34:04 <Henzell> Aean (L4 DsCK) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 226: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:3)
23:34:48 <Henzell> yesno (L9 DsAK) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 226: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:9)
23:42:49 <twelwe> dc:pt without edible food is a better game. you have a pizza box, its your only inventory. you can hold eight slices, magical slices of pizza. development instantly streamlined