00:07:01 <twelwe> how exactly does gozag change corpses? do corpses just flat out stop generating, or do they generate and immediately convert into gold? i'm curious because of the reaping brand
00:07:34 <twelwe> i'm guessing the former
00:11:41 <PleasingFungus> seems like a pretty different god design!
00:11:58 <PleasingFungus> also i honestly don't remember re: corpse change but assume the former
00:12:27 <twelwe> i think it must be too, since gold comes from monsters that wouldn't even otherwise generate a corpse
00:13:05 <ebering> it's the former
00:13:10 <twelwe> i'm just ideas-manning gozag since i heard you were taking charge of a potential change
00:13:30 <ebering> PleasingFungus: what do you mean a tax % of current gold
00:13:59 <twelwe> you could tax upon monster distraction
00:14:00 <PleasingFungus> every 1000 turns or so, gozag taxes you, say, 3% of your current on-hand gold
00:14:14 <PleasingFungus> with a cute message
00:14:41 <PleasingFungus> 'time is money, and i want my due!' -- gozag <- actually that message isn't great but something like that
00:14:44 <twelwe> mana/hp regen tax
00:15:03 <ebering> every 1000 turns or so you have to file form 1040 at a gozag altar
00:15:13 <PleasingFungus> i hope it's the simplified version!
00:15:35 <ebering> that's for hints mode
00:16:13 <Cheibriados> blood_smell() in shout.cc has a pointless parameter. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12319 by bcadren
00:18:03 <twelwe> blood_smell please tell me this is an ancient mechanic
00:25:53 <twelwe> i'm playing gozag right now in ascii, and the gold count that replaces the piety counter in the top right text color changes from blue to white after auto explore, whats this about?
00:26:14 <ebering> it's blue when gold distraction is active
00:27:46 <twelwe> would it make sense to put that in the buff category instead? i would have never guessed that
00:28:22 <PleasingFungus> i thought we removed it
00:28:27 <PleasingFungus> blood smell, i mean
00:29:40 <twelwe> i'm confused - are the monsters distracted by "imaginary wealth" regardless of visible gold? my gold count is staying blue after combat with no monsters or gold in los
00:32:25 <ebering> yes, the gold aura is centered on you
00:33:17 <twelwe> PF that would contribute to dev reputation of cancel culture on discussion forums
00:36:23 <twelwe> usk, ru, and gozag all have this passive distraction thing going on
00:37:57 <twelwe> FR: scroll of noise -> scroll of alarm (mark the player)
00:43:26 <alexjurkiewicz> doesn't that encourage not picking up gold
00:43:41 <alexjurkiewicz> and then picking it all up before you enter vaults:5 or zot or whatever
00:46:23 <twelwe> alex is gold pickup establishing a stackable timer?
00:46:53 <ebering> the timer starts when the monster dies
00:46:57 <ebering> its not linked to picking up gold
00:47:20 <ebering> (because it used to be based on the item and distance to the item and this had all the trivialoptimal problems on the tips of your fingers)
00:48:16 <twelwe> imo the mechanic could be removed entirely, it steps on ru and usk with my one day experience of playing the god
00:48:35 <twelwe> if you guys are looking for a nerf, that might be worth consideration
00:54:30 <Lightli> quick question
00:54:49 <Lightli> what happens to your character title if charms is your highest skill and you update to a version where charms no longer exists?
00:55:24 <Lightli> i.e. my SpCK has 27 charms skill
00:55:24 <Lightli> do I keep the miracle worker title if I update, or does it go away
00:55:32 <ebering> you know, I don't know
00:55:38 <ebering> the titles are still in the tag major wrapper
00:55:41 <ebering> but the skill is useless
00:56:07 <twelwe> Spriggan of Removedness
00:56:43 <Lightli> only one way to find out!
00:56:57 <twelwe> Lightli the Cancel Cultist
00:57:03 <Lightli> the answer: the title is removed
00:57:33 <Lightli> it dropped back to dodging title since dodging was my next highest
01:15:38 <twelwe> lightli's accomplishment should be immortalized as a named unique that shafts itself at 20% HP https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/Lightli/morgue-Lightli-20200714-040905.txt
02:25:49 <Rotatell> Terrapin (L1 HuWn) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:1)
02:29:07 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.25-a0-1061-g13212cf: Add a new SPARM_LUNGING tile. 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/13212cf7c6f9
02:43:59 <Yermak> ebering, adding range in Pa's Charge description would be nice.
02:45:41 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.25-a0-1062-gf8e1e8c: Disable SPARM_LUNGING on Bardings. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f8e1e8c2a201
03:13:18 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.25-a0-1063-g1a1411f: Mark SPARM_LUNGING as dangerous. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1a1411f48e30
03:24:21 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.25-a0-1064-g0ab444c: Remove the SPARM_LUNGING status light. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0ab444c3da53
03:24:34 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.26-a0-340-g8c663ee (34)
03:31:11 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-3470-gaa44c949d2
03:47:34 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22.1-2853-g69fa145244
04:03:47 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.25-a0-1065-g6c1e9e0: Rename SPARM_LUNGING to carnage. 10(18 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6c1e9e003853
05:03:34 <Implojin> hi hi
05:03:57 <Implojin> if anyone's around at this hour, I could use some help with git rebase:
05:04:49 <Implojin> I've just gone through and manually rebased the branch of PR 1409
05:04:49 <Implojin> am I correct to assume that I now need to force push this?
05:05:06 <Implojin> I don't want to screw anything up with my repo
05:05:39 <Implojin> (I don't really understand git beyond googling what to do to make it work, this is pure hobbyist stuff for me)
05:15:40 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-341-g7cd7e5c: New ego: Boots of lunging. 10(9 weeks ago, 27 files, 321+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7cd7e5cd961c
05:15:40 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-342-gd89bb93: Fixup a bunch of SPARM_LUNGING logic, including enabling on-move effects. 10(7 weeks ago, 5 files, 361+ 251-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d89bb939a804
05:15:40 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-343-g99b6142: Remove the SPARM_LUNGING evoke toggle. 10(7 weeks ago, 14 files, 8+ 79-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/99b6142296a6
05:15:40 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-344-g386b509: Add a new SPARM_LUNGING tile. 10(3 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/386b5093874b
05:15:40 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-345-g3d29327: Disable SPARM_LUNGING on Bardings. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3d293270f3d8
05:15:40 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-346-ge679940: Mark SPARM_LUNGING as dangerous. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e679940dae53
05:15:40 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-347-gf48a35d: Remove the SPARM_LUNGING status light. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 1+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f48a35dfe585
05:15:40 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-348-g01606f7: Rename SPARM_LUNGING to carnage. 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/01606f70dca4
05:22:06 <Implojin> okay, I'm out until next Monday, if you have any comments on that stuff, please put it on github
05:35:00 <twb> Not sure if this counts as a dev question, but... I'm running crawl-tiles on a locked-down Debian desktop, where $HOME is on a root_sqsuashed NFSv4 filesystem.
05:35:12 <twb> Running crawl I get these errors as I successively make the dirs by hand:
05:35:22 <twb> http://ix.io/2rLJ
05:35:39 <twb> That to me feels like crawl is running setuid root or something, but I can't see anywhere that is happening
05:35:47 <twb> Anyone seen this before?
05:43:17 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-349-ge22fd28: Unbrace 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e22fd284cb92
05:48:48 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-350-g279e6a8: Checkwhite 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/279e6a81210d
06:14:20 <Yermak> Please return old webtiles cloud-monster interaction: cloud over monster, not the other way. Sometimes it's hard to say without x-ving if there is a cloud under monster now.
06:38:42 <Yermak> Even items are over clouds!
07:44:49 <Cheibriados> 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-351-g2fa3359: Fixup a couple of rebase oversights. 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2fa33593b29c
09:25:52 <jboons> re:webclient, does anyone know the language used on the pop-up that asks you if you want to move your in-progress trunk game to the latest build? trying to find the logic around that in the code
09:26:08 <jboons> or better yet, does anyone know exactly where to look? lel
09:27:47 <Pinkbeast> For console, it's in dgamelaunch, it's nowhere in the DCSS source tree. I suspect it's in the "webserver" subdirectory for tiles?
09:33:43 <jboons> thanks, i'll poke around for that
09:44:02 <Rotatell> dylex (L27 HaBe) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (Hell)
09:53:06 <gammafunk> jboons: it's a CGI that's served usually by apache/nginx
09:53:25 <gammafunk> do you want a copy of the script itself? it's in the dgamelaunch-config repo, specifically under "utils"
09:53:48 <gammafunk> hrm, actually, it's run by dgl
09:53:53 <jboons> just had an idea, wanted to see if it was feasible
09:54:04 <gammafunk> it just uses normal CGI stuff iirc
09:54:05 <jboons> to link to the commit that is displayed
09:54:20 <gammafunk> let me get you an exact ref
09:55:24 <ebering> !tell Implojin looks like you did it correctly
09:55:24 <Sequell> ebering: OK, I'll let implojin know.
09:55:53 <gammafunk> jboons: it actually does use the normal websocket
09:55:59 <gammafunk> jboons: it's here: https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch-config/blob/master/chroot/bin/crawl-git-launcher.sh
09:56:34 <jboons> awesome, thank you
09:56:34 <gammafunk> jboons: around here specifically: https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch-config/blob/master/chroot/bin/crawl-git-launcher.sh#L209
09:56:54 <gammafunk> yeah, forgot how this worked; initially I was thinking of the rebuild and save backup scripts
09:57:07 <gammafunk> well, the rebuild one really, which is a standalone CGI thing
09:57:55 <gammafunk> this is still using the websocket, just interceding before the usual js/console client
10:12:36 <ebering> Can someone with a bit better level of C++ spec knowledge look at PR 1416
10:12:44 <ebering> |amethyst: if you've got the time?
10:12:46 <ebering> !pr 1416
10:12:47 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1416
10:14:32 <Pinkbeast> Ha, that's over my head
10:15:17 <ebering> I a) don't want to cargo cult it b) don't want to dive into that level of detail
10:15:40 <ebering> I got my fill of that for the year battling the mysql query optimizer for the tournament scripts
10:24:43 <advil> yeah the upgrade stuff isn't a cgi script per se, it's a script that is run by webtiles or dgamelaunch-config that can generate either html or text and take input
10:24:52 <advil> wrapping around the crawl process
11:02:19 <aidanh> Yermak: i'll look into the cloud/item/monster order issue
12:05:12 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-341-g3a799e3: Correct order of barbs/ozos removal in charge 10(50 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3a799e3adc22
12:17:01 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-341-g3a799e3adc (34)
13:30:17 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.26-a0-341-g3a799e3 (34)
13:36:24 <twelwe> does new centaur roll activate lunge with wu jian?
13:38:42 <Kelbell> krigyl (L21 HOGl) Crash caused by signal #11: Segmentation fault (Depths:4)
13:39:00 <ebering> no
13:39:35 <ebering> new centaur roll doesn't do any wu
13:40:58 <ebering> !crashlog
13:40:59 <Sequell> 22344. krigyl, XL21 HOGl, T:51214 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/krigyl/crash-krigyl-20200716-173833.txt
14:19:00 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-342-g2b0ca81: Refactor some sequencing in move_player_action 10(19 minutes ago, 2 files, 52+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2b0ca819d091
14:19:00 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-343-g4c0e633: Handle Engulf, Bog, and cloud trail for Rolling Charge 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4c0e6339b22e
14:19:00 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-344-ga598ecd: Fix a crash in battlesphere targeting 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a598ecdb3d2b
14:21:30 <Kelbell> arbitraryname (L22 DsFE) Crash caused by signal #11: Segmentation fault (Depths:3)
14:26:12 <ebering> !crashlog
14:26:13 <Sequell> 22345. arbitraryname, XL22 DsFE, T:76924 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/arbitraryname/crash-arbitraryname-20200716-182118.txt
14:33:01 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-344-ga598ecdb3d (34)
14:51:23 <jboons> here is a commit on a fork of dgamelaunch-config representing the idea i had in mind: https://github.com/thmsdrew/dgamelaunch-config/commit/094cb84a782e6b93a6249f69b7e11cbf82b758c6
14:52:35 <jboons> so a couple of questions, 1) thoughts? 2) best way for me to go about testing this? i could like stub a bunch of stuff out but i would want authentic values
14:54:01 <jboons> the way in which i'm configuring it may not be 100% the best but probably okay?
15:01:51 <advil> seems like a reasonable feature, though it might confuse people into think that what was in that commit is the only change
15:03:06 <advil> does that info currently show the version the game is on before the upgrade?
15:03:37 <advil> ah yeah looks like it does
15:04:02 <jboons> i think you have access to it yeah
15:04:15 <advil> I suppose in principle you could provide the diff link, though in many cases that could be a huge amount of info
15:04:39 <jboons> yeah that'd be a bit much esp. for the average person that's just curious lol
15:05:14 <advil> fyi this is the right repository to make commits against, but because of the vagaries of history I'm not sure if any servers are really updating from that repository right now so it could take a while for any changes to percolate out from it (it was only moved into the crawl org a few months ago)
15:06:30 <advil> I do hope they'll switch eventually because there's a bunch of other improvements in there
15:06:39 <jboons> gotcha, nbd just something i thought of that i wanted to mess around with
15:08:29 <advil> I'm not sure of any better way to test it than to set up a dgl install
15:09:09 <advil> the docker testing version is probably the easiest
15:09:09 <jboons> if the version table keeps track of each version always, i could probably somehow present each commit since the previous
15:09:15 <advil> the diff link would do that
15:11:14 <advil> here's a random example: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/compare/d6f73655988c76a...a598ecdb3d2b7d
15:11:45 <advil> just pulled a couple of hashes arbitrarily
15:12:02 <advil> sometimes people upgrade across hundreds or thousands of commits though
15:13:01 <advil> I sort of like the idea of the diff link now that I think about it, since it does present a nice list of commits
15:13:03 <jboons> oh yeah that top section is what i was picturing i guess
15:13:20 <advil> you just use two hashes separated by ...
15:13:39 <jboons> i'll play around with that
15:17:04 -!- toblu1 is now known as toblu
15:29:28 <Rotatell> MrPlanck (L21 TrMo) Crash caused by signal #11: Segmentation fault (Elf:1)
15:32:55 <ebering> !craashlog
15:32:59 <ebering> !crashlog
15:33:00 <Sequell> 22346. MrPlanck, XL21 TrMo, T:61091 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/MrPlanck/crash-MrPlanck-20200716-192918.txt
15:33:13 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-345-ga50eacd: Tweak windows console code 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 17+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a50eacd245b0
15:34:24 <Rotatell> MrPlanck (L21 TrMo) Crash caused by signal #11: Segmentation fault (Elf:1)
15:35:30 <Henzell> Lobsterpants (L21 HaAK) Crash caused by signal #11: Segmentation fault (Vaults:2)
15:44:36 <advil> what's the word on hailstorm vanishing?
15:44:36 <advil> did I do that somehow?
15:44:56 <advil> btw I notice that the spells in that function that return SPELL_NO_SPELL cna be put in the big list in spl-cast.cc
15:45:25 <advil> although hm the library fixup doesn't check that list
15:51:21 <ebering> I figrued it out
15:51:24 <ebering> have a fix compiling
15:51:29 <ebering> you did do that
15:52:33 <Rotatell> MrPlanck (L21 TrMo) Crash caused by signal #11: Segmentation fault (Elf:3)
15:54:12 <Rotatell> MrPlanck (L22 TrMo) Crash caused by signal #11: Segmentation fault (Elf:3)
15:56:01 <advil> how?
15:57:11 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-346-g33516b1: Don't remove fixup spells from the library (Shummie) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/33516b17369a
15:57:36 <ebering> like that (wait for chei)
15:57:51 <advil> ah I see
16:03:15 <advil> I wonder if it's worthing doing some kind of fixup for that
16:03:39 <advil> could minimally do it based on job
16:04:37 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-345-ga50eacd245 (34)
16:12:25 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.26-a0-346-g33516b1 (34)
16:17:34 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-346-g33516b1736 (34)
16:19:09 <jboons> advil: "docker testing version" - are you referring to this? https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles&s[]=docker
16:19:43 <advil> https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch-config/blob/master/utils/testing-container/README.md
16:21:20 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.26-a0-346-g33516b1 (34)
16:41:50 <Rotatell> chippings (L17 FeTm) Crash caused by signal #11: Segmentation fault (Vaults:2)
17:11:48 <advil> !crashlog
17:11:49 <Sequell> 22351. chippings, XL17 FeTm, T:42974 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/chippings/crash-chippings-20200716-204126.txt
17:17:57 -!- Taxido is now known as RonJeremy
17:29:23 <ebering> I don't think it was live long enough for there to be too many affected games
18:06:23 <Rotatell> Terrapin (L8 FeTm) ERROR: range check error (37 / 33) (D:6)
18:06:48 <ebering> !crashlog
18:06:49 <Sequell> 22352. Terrapin, XL8 FeTm, T:7529 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Terrapin/crash-Terrapin-20200716-220614.txt
18:07:39 <Rotatell> Terrapin (L8 FeTm) ERROR: range check error (37 / 33) (D:6)
18:16:52 <Henzell> KingOtar (L14 HOGl) ASSERT(size > 0) in 'religion.cc' at line 4516 failed. (Lair:6)
18:16:59 <ebering> !crashlog
18:17:01 <Sequell> 22354. KingOtar, XL14 HOGl, T:26200 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/KingOtar/crash-KingOtar-20200716-221651.txt
18:18:43 <ebering> !kw charmitems
18:18:43 <Sequell> Keyword: charmitems => vlong>=0.26-a0-335-g0fb1eaa16f
18:19:00 <ebering> the second one is a monster-die crash
18:19:14 <ebering> the first one looks like something with ru sacrifice arcana missed in the charms fixup
18:19:29 <ebering> thankfully not save compat
18:25:15 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.26-a0-346-g33516b1736 (34)
18:33:11 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-347-gf31ff04: Don't let Ru try to sacrifice removed Charms 10(55 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f31ff04d85b5
18:46:01 -!- jfcaron_ is now known as jfcaron
18:48:23 <Henzell> KingOtar (L15 HOGl) ASSERT(size > 0) in 'religion.cc' at line 4516 failed. (D:14)
19:01:49 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-347-gf31ff04d85 (34)
19:25:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-348-g37a9400: Forbid Hob and Charge while netted or webbed 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/37a9400bf0a8
19:25:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-349-g9a97dfe: Allow charge to bypass terrain effects on intermediate squares 10(16 minutes ago, 2 files, 14+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9a97dfeeb76c
19:32:18 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-349-g9a97dfeeb7 (34)
19:46:06 <advil> ^status
19:46:06 <Rotatell> 31 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=91% (135GB) | RAM usage=40% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 19:46:05 up 51 days, 14:21,  1 user,  load average: 0.27, 0.48, 0.49 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
19:54:11 <jfcaron> Is there a gofundme to buy a better server for CBRO.
20:00:50 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-350-gb49d02c: Don't autopickup arrows for Transmuters any more 10(69 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b49d02c8f551
20:07:52 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08master @ b49d02c8 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/172028612
20:12:19 <advil> what is libgcov again
20:12:24 <advil> and why does it freak it on a windows build
20:16:27 <alexjurkiewicz> coverage
20:17:18 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-350-gb49d02c8f5 (34)
20:17:51 <alexjurkiewicz> whoops. in deps.py line 21, %e should be %s
20:18:01 <alexjurkiewicz> it's breaking retry logic for deps.py
20:32:36 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-351-g19ad421: Fix actions retries (alexjurkiewicz) 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/19ad4210821f
20:32:36 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-352-gb0d7ede: Disable cursor validity checks on windows 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b0d7edea472d
20:34:06 <advil> I guess I forgot to say what the problem is, which is that windows console was horribly broken
20:36:58 <Nasst> Random question: is there a way to pluralize dungeon features' names? (ie: "translucent doorS")
20:38:48 <advil> I'm not sure there's a standard call for it (though who knows really), but here's some xom-related code:
20:38:57 <advil> !source xom.cc:1675
20:38:58 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/xom.cc#L1675
20:40:54 <Nasst> Thanks!
20:41:31 <advil> using string formatting for something like that is pretty typical in crawlcode I'd say
20:41:40 <Nasst> I'm trying to implement a feature so it won't prompt you every time there's something blocking a tracer.
20:41:54 <Nasst> like, just one prompt telling you there's 2 plants in the war
20:41:56 <Nasst> *way
20:42:05 <Nasst> and not 2 y/N prompts
20:42:44 <Nasst> plants happen to be monsters, but there can be transparent dungeon features blocking as well
20:47:34 <Henzell> Mnemonic (L19 NaFi) ERROR in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 1670: Unknown monster spell 'Shroud of Golubria' cast by Uggis's ghost (Shoals:1)
20:48:10 <advil> lol the inevitable ghost save compat issue
20:58:29 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-353-gd03b2cc: Updated removed_spells 10(29 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d03b2cc48255
20:59:43 <advil> I guess maybe removed_spells isn't used for spells that become monster-only?
20:59:49 <PleasingFungus> advil: Nasst: use the pluralise function in english.h
21:00:21 <advil> I could not promise that that works for features
21:00:39 <advil> it's pretty weirdly tuned
21:00:46 <PleasingFungus> it's truly remarkable
21:00:46 <PleasingFungus> hm
21:00:58 <PleasingFungus> maybe we should have a maybe_pluralise(string name, int amount)
21:01:08 <advil> especially given that for "door" what you want it to do is skip right to `return name + "s";`
21:01:48 <advil> I guess it does handle some nice special cases with punctuation
21:01:56 <advil> etc
21:03:50 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-352-gb0d7edea47 (34)
21:17:09 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-353-gd03b2cc482 (34)
21:27:19 <Henzell> Snord (L16 MfGl) ERROR in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 1670: Unknown monster spell 'Shroud of Golubria' cast by Jenyq's ghost (D:15)
21:30:27 <Henzell> Snord (L16 MfGl) ERROR in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 1670: Unknown monster spell 'Shroud of Golubria' cast by Jenyq's ghost (D:15)
21:30:49 <Henzell> Snord (L16 MfGl) ERROR in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 1670: Unknown monster spell 'Shroud of Golubria' cast by Jenyq's ghost (D:15)
21:32:11 <advil> %git d0e028f13a9c
21:32:11 <Cheibriados> 07ebering02 * 0.25-a0-245-gd0e028f: Correctly fixup ghost spells 10(8 months ago, 2 files, 14+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d0e028f13a9c
21:33:30 <advil> I'm not sure why ghost spells don't check for spell_removed, but they probably should
21:33:52 <Cheibriados> New branch created: zot_clock (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/zot_clock
21:33:52 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[zot_clock] * 0.26-a0-341-g2128016: Remove unused statuses 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2128016e8d2e
21:33:52 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[zot_clock] * 0.26-a0-342-gaa32a6b: Invoke the malevolent chronology of Zot 10(10 hours ago, 20 files, 146+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aa32a6b4c6c4
21:36:38 <advil> immediate reaction on behalf of slaw players everywhere: 200k turns for 3 runes is *way* too tight for something that's not supposed to impact normal play at all
21:36:42 <advil> *slow
21:36:51 <PleasingFungus> ?
21:37:05 <PleasingFungus> !lg * recent urune=3 turn>200000
21:37:05 <Sequell> 13. Lightli the Farming Middleweight Champion (L27 MiCK of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2020-07-16 18:33:02, with 1171215 points after 249390 turns and 1:53:08.
21:37:16 <PleasingFungus> !lg * recent urune=3 turn>200000 !ck
21:37:17 <Sequell> 8. ShadedKnight the Farming Conqueror (L25 MuAE of Ru), blasted by a Tzitzimitl (dispel undead) on Depths:1 (enter_ziggurat_b) on 2020-03-28 22:30:51, with 679924 points after 214601 turns and 8:06:47.
21:37:29 <PleasingFungus> !lg * recent urune=3 / turn>200000
21:37:34 <PleasingFungus> hm, leading space
21:37:38 <alexjurkiewicz> some of those warnings to the player could perhaps get a default force_more
21:37:39 <PleasingFungus> !lg * recent urune=3 / turn>200000
21:37:40 <Sequell> 13/11492 games for * (recent urune=3): N=13/11492 (0.11%)
21:37:47 <PleasingFungus> alexjurkiewicz: yeah i was thinking about that
21:38:19 <PleasingFungus> i guess i'll do that now that you reminded me
21:39:01 <advil> right, few games go over 200k but it's close enough that it's going to feel relevant to a lot of slow / inexperienced players
21:39:29 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/1490 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1490
21:39:29 <Cheibriados> Branch pull/1490 updated to be equal with zot_clock: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1490
21:39:42 <alexjurkiewicz> -6000 aut for delver seems too low, shouldn't it be 4000*5 = 20k? But perhaps there's a way to make those levels "count" as new for delver still so it's not needed to provide any bonus
21:40:34 <alexjurkiewicz> the commit message uses "turns" to mean "10 aut", which is confusing to me. it might be better to avoid the term, uh, "term" entirely
21:40:50 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[zot_clock] * 0.26-a0-343-g2cebb0e: Add default force_mores for Zot (alex) 10(35 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2cebb0ec8f07
21:40:56 <Cheibriados> Branch pull/1490 updated to be equal with zot_clock: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1490
21:41:09 <PleasingFungus> advil: it's close enough?
21:41:25 <Cheibriados> 03kate-02 {advil} 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-47-gcc4a73c: Improve descriptions of Ash's passive abilities (#12245) 10(5 days ago, 2 files, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc4a73cef699
21:41:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-48-ge25c3ff: Don't recursively crash during tests 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e25c3ffeddc8
21:41:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-49-ge51bffc: Don't write .prf files for tests 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e51bffcb7904
21:41:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-50-gca29852: Don't let Xom add to weight 0 innate mutations (Lightli) 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ca298529cc9b
21:41:25 <Cheibriados> 03kate-02 {advil} 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-51-gf0d6da0: Prevent training summoning under Sacrifice Love 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f0d6da04370a
21:41:25 <Cheibriados> 03kate-02 {advil} 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-52-g8aa59fa: Don't offer sacrifice summoning after sacrificing love 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 11+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8aa59fa4e09f
21:41:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-53-g32e37d3: Update Makefile for cmd-name.h 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/32e37d3b9fb8
21:41:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-54-ga4f08f6: Remove old death by lava/water code 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a4f08f626ed5
21:41:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-55-g13fc8c4: Fix a bad vector index in apportion (Nasst / 12316) 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 16+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/13fc8c4aab83
21:41:25 <Cheibriados> 03amalloy02 {advil} 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-56-gaa98de1: Don't leak information about lig potions (#12317, andrew) 10(32 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aa98de1612a9
21:41:25 <Cheibriados> ... and 5 more commits
21:41:45 <PleasingFungus> !lg advil urune=3 max=turn recentish
21:41:45 <Sequell> 2. advil the Tortoise (L27 GnWr of Fedhas), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2019-11-09 16:32:41, with 1409113 points after 123992 turns and 14:00:18.
21:41:47 <PleasingFungus> that doesn't seem particularly close to me...
21:41:48 <advil> !lg advil urune=3 max=turn
21:41:49 <Sequell> 37. advil the Acrobat (L24 FeAE of Wu Jian), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2018-01-19 17:57:54, with 1081339 points after 186862 turns and 18:25:44.
21:41:55 <advil> !lg advil urune=4 max=turn
21:41:56 <Sequell> 13. advil the Farming Cloud Mage (L27 DrAE of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2016-01-29 02:49:18, with 1526151 points after 208231 turns and 20:29:34.
21:42:11 <alexjurkiewicz> certain levels probably more commonly take >4k turns. Such as zot:5 and vaults:5, and tomb2/3
21:42:19 <PleasingFungus> !log advil urune=4 max=turn
21:42:27 <advil> anyways, that is my opinion, do with it what you will
21:42:31 <PleasingFungus> !log advil urune=4 max=turn
21:42:32 <Sequell> 13. advil, XL27 DrAE, T:208231: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/advil/morgue-advil-20160129-024918.txt
21:42:33 <alexjurkiewicz> it would be annoying if you got halfway through one and then had to take a break to visit some new levels
21:42:40 <PleasingFungus> it's a fine opinion! it might be tight
21:42:51 <PleasingFungus> alexjurkiewicz: ?
21:42:54 <alexjurkiewicz> but I think since crawl doesn't generate these metrics (JSON morgues..........) the simplest approach is empirical testing
21:42:55 <PleasingFungus> oh, i see
21:43:22 <PleasingFungus> You visited 12 branches of the dungeon, and saw 63 of its levels.
21:43:22 <PleasingFungus> You also visited: Sewer, Ossuary and Volcano.
21:43:32 <PleasingFungus> so that would actually be a 264000 turn clock
21:43:40 <advil> ah
21:43:46 <PleasingFungus> my 200,000 estimate was for a bare bones 3 rune
21:44:10 <PleasingFungus> but i could switch it to 6k/9k if people really prefer
21:44:22 <PleasingFungus> (that is, 6k per level and 9k max stored)
21:45:33 <advil> !lg * recent urune=3 s=trunc(turns, 1000) turns<1000000 -graph
21:45:34 <Sequell> 11491 games for * (recent urune=3 turns<1000000): https://betelgeuse.shalott.org/graphs/94c90388d6e844fbfe36b1bc33934a24b4a0ad6e.html
21:45:42 <advil> I mean, that does make it look ok
21:46:10 <kate-> advil: for those sac love commits, it's a slight functional change if it's being cherry-picked back to 0.25, since in 0.25 (pre-removal of aura of abjuration) you were able to train summoning and cast abjuration under sac love
21:46:10 <advil> !lg * recent urune=4 s=trunc(turns, 1000) turns<1000000 -graph
21:46:11 <Sequell> 4011 games for * (recent urune=4 turns<1000000): https://betelgeuse.shalott.org/graphs/78f75bbdd00c633a38675d10e818d0cb3c14af04.html
21:46:17 <advil> oh
21:46:21 <alexjurkiewicz> I wonder if it's possible to hit the start of bezotting and not have enough time to interlevel travel to a new level
21:46:25 <kate-> not that it's a thing there's any reason to do, but it's not a pure bugfix
21:46:34 <PleasingFungus> 5000 per level / 7500 stored is also reasonably pleasing numerically
21:46:40 <alexjurkiewicz> for example clearing elf:3 and having to walk to depths:1 to enter pan
21:46:41 <advil> thanks, I might uncherry-pick-them in that case, I had missed that interaction
21:47:17 <advil> although
21:47:17 <PleasingFungus> alexjurkiewicz: i'd guess you have a good margin there on most layouts
21:47:17 <PleasingFungus> i wouldn't expect that to take more than 3000 aut or so?
21:47:23 <PleasingFungus> and you have 5000ish
21:47:39 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah. I think the furthest to walk would be from tomb:3 to depths:1 hell/pan entry, given the circituous layout of tomb
21:47:43 <advil> I think that should be a lot less than 3k
21:47:44 <kate-> if it stays i think it would just need a change to spell_uselessness_reason in spl-util.cc, to make sure that abjuration gets correctly marked as useless
21:47:55 <advil> right, yeah, I will just revert
21:47:57 <kate-> but yeah fine to un-cherry-pick too probably
21:48:18 <advil> I looked at the descript and the code and mentally filed it as a bugfix without thinking very deeply
21:48:26 <PleasingFungus> tomb is definitely weird here
21:48:29 <PleasingFungus> because of the layout
21:48:34 <PleasingFungus> and because of the tombiness
21:48:47 <PleasingFungus> not sure how big of an issue it is
21:49:58 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-62-g430bd1d: Revert "Don't offer sacrifice summoning after sacrificing love" 10(67 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/430bd1d263ec
21:49:58 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-63-gabc293c: Revert "Prevent training summoning under Sacrifice Love" 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/abc293c800bb
21:50:18 <advil> I feel like there was some PR that someone recommended for 0.25, but I don't know if I got it
21:50:36 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[zot_clock] * 0.26-a0-344-gc522688: Increase the clock 10(63 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c5226886b529
21:50:42 <Cheibriados> Branch pull/1490 updated to be equal with zot_clock: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1490
21:51:32 <advil> maybe my xom boredom branch can use the zot clock instead :D
21:51:53 <PleasingFungus> i considered making bezotting amuse xom, actually
21:51:55 <PleasingFungus> it seemed appropriate
21:52:05 <advil> yeah
21:52:34 <alexjurkiewicz> it takes about 300 aut to get out of tomb from the rune on a max chei hill orc
21:52:52 <advil> yeah, I did something like zot 5 to d 1 and it was 250 (not chei)
21:52:57 <alexjurkiewicz> so I think the 1.5k of limit you originally had is enough to reach pan in the worst case
21:57:00 <PleasingFungus> 300 aut or 300 turns?
21:57:12 <PleasingFungus> and i'm confused - what's this about 1.5k?
21:57:32 <PleasingFungus> interlevel travel mostly isn't that slow unless you're doing an awful lot of shopping
21:58:28 <advil> 2128016e8d2 is a courageous commit btw
22:01:07 <alexjurkiewicz> sorry, it was about 3k aut. Not turns
22:01:57 <alexjurkiewicz> and your original design gave 15k aut * 1.5 = 22500 aut for chei worshippers, right
22:02:28 <advil> I meant turns
22:12:14 <alexjurkiewicz> from reddit: > Should Formicid Delvers get a different potion since they can't use haste?
22:16:10 <kate-> probably not, backgrounds in general don't get replacement items outside of adjusting armour to be wearable
22:17:32 <kate-> mummy fighters don't get a might potion etc, although apparently fowr does get ?blink which is a bug i guess
22:17:47 <PleasingFungus> alexjurkiewicz: 5000 aut after the warning, not 15000, unless i really messed something up
22:22:59 <kate-> oh i guess because the blink scroll isn't identified at the point at which it's checked to see whether it's useless, that's a pain
22:23:27 <Lightli> http://crawl.kelbi.org/saves/Lightli-crawl-git-b49d02c8f5-200717-0223.tar.bz2
22:49:04 <travis-ci> The build passed. (zot_clock - 2cebb0e #13979 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/709000197
23:00:22 <Cheibriados> 03kate-02 07* 0.26-a0-354-g12be3fc: Don't give Formicids useless starting items 10(15 minutes ago, 3 files, 13+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/12be3fcb38a0
23:00:22 <Cheibriados> 03kate-02 07* 0.26-a0-355-ga24b09d: Adjust Gozag potion lists 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a24b09dfbc6f
23:19:00 <ebering> advil: af96914 ?
23:22:53 <PleasingFungus> %git af96914
23:22:53 <Cheibriados> 07Byrel Mitchell02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.26-a0-173-gaf96914: Fix foxfire attacking out of LoS 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/af969148604b
23:25:01 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-355-ga24b09dfbc (34)
23:26:43 <alexjurkiewicz> there's logic to prevent grantint exploration XP for temple. Might be worth using that logic for the zot timer. Might just be pointlessly complex, I could see the level being "stashed" though
23:31:11 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.26-a0-356-gfe224cc: Fix player background icons (ardl) 10(62 seconds ago, 2 files, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fe224cc0deb2
23:31:50 <PleasingFungus> alexjurkiewicz: way far ahead of you
23:53:54 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-356-gfe224cc0de (34)