00:00:02 They could be as rare as scrolls of summoning or holy word...maybe a bit more common. 00:00:10 Yeah, and scroll of fear. 00:00:21 (and blinking) 00:00:23 lol 00:03:56 One concern is that the gameplay of permanent allies is not that great. Allies in DCSS are quite dumb and the game intentionally doesn't give you tools to micromanage them. That means they get killed pretty often, and it feels bad when you lose a permanent resource to its own stupidity. 00:04:04 This was one of the issues with mercenaries, way back when. 00:04:24 Well they'd be stuck on the level like Yred zombies. 00:04:29 You could just have the scroll imitate the spell and make the zombies temporary, but high duration. 00:04:33 Oh but then people would pull stuff back up the stairs to 'em. 00:04:42 But people already do that with Yred. 00:05:21 Is there a good reason why necromancy derived undead are temporary but Yred ones are durable? 00:06:22 %git b4b85f546d5ca7ad62be3756234f289558d67c0f 00:06:22 07Lasty02 * 0.17-a0-689-gb4b85f5: Give Animate Dead/Skeleton minions a timeout 10(5 years ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b4b85f546d5c 00:06:32 > Yred's version of the spell is unchanged, because Yred's core premise is permanent minions. 00:14:01 PleasingFungus: re infusion what are you agreeing with, removing or the item idea? 00:14:07 oh, removing 00:14:25 let me look again at the item description 00:14:59 also judging from the logs this message was lost in the netsplit 00:15:04 jfcaron: over the past ~15 versions we've made a concerted effort to move away from permanent allies (stair using or not) and overlap among abilities and effects 00:15:19 I need to sleep. 00:15:23 rip 00:15:31 i don't feel strongly about the amulet 00:15:37 it could work 00:15:39 we could try it 00:16:40 trying things is fu. 00:16:42 *fun 00:19:25 indeed 00:20:17 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-259-gbcb75ce: Convert Ghouls to heal-on-kill 10(20 minutes ago, 7 files, 19+ 49-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bcb75ce5238e 00:20:44 something to try 00:22:24 elliptic: I'm not strongly committed to that commit, but I am sold on removing OBJ_FOOD and figuring something out (possibly removal) for Ghouls 00:31:47 04Build failed for 08deflavour @ bcb75ce5 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/164120047 00:39:07 seems fine for now at least, can certainly change stuff around if it is too strong/boring 00:40:43 are we concerned about infringing on some demonspawn thing? 00:40:49 demonspawn do have an awful lot of things 00:55:33 it isn't that close to PbD I think given it is discrete healing rather than regen 01:08:54 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.25.0-41-g26779e291d (34) 01:38:20 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.26-a0-259-g1effd001a9 (34) 01:47:40 -!- Tiobot is now known as Guest78881 01:54:07 crash on downstairs to V:5 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12310 by andrew 03:13:42 Stable (0.25) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.25.0-41-g26779e2 03:15:56 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.26-a0-259-g1effd00 (34) 03:34:47 Stable (0.25) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25.0-41-g26779e291d 03:49:40 Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22.1-2839-gccf4c23808 06:45:17 grimtooth (L22 NaTm) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (Elf:3) 08:59:29 New branch created: pull/1484 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1484 08:59:29 03mainiacjoe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1484 * 0.26-a0-260-g452b221: Replace Artificer starting Short Blade skill with Armour 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/452b2213550f 09:24:06 considering tagging 0.25.1 today 09:34:34 sgtm 11:31:37 we need a single bot that relays to both sequell and chei so I don't keep mixing up my PM channels :D 11:34:42 /msg advil lg . 11:56:34 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-260-g5525a24: Add a gozag ASSERT for level excursions 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5525a24d8999 11:56:34 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-261-g012bc58: Don't detect gozag gold on level excursions 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/012bc58e2d2b 11:57:13 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-42-gdc95218: Don't detect gozag gold on level excursions 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dc952181a33b 11:57:41 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-260-g6052df9: fixup! Convert Ghouls to heal-on-kill 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6052df9a93c2 11:57:41 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-261-g8635583: Remove chunks and all OBJ_FOOD 10(22 minutes ago, 86 files, 148+ 1122-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/863558334b4c 11:57:41 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-262-g2647910: Consolidate corpse handling files 10(9 minutes ago, 23 files, 167+ 212-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/26479103acb2 11:57:41 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-263-g92d5327: Remove an unused parameter 10(22 seconds ago, 5 files, 7+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/92d532714cfc 12:01:54 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-261-g012bc58e2d (34) 12:04:21 Clearly we need a duck species so "You quack for attention!" 12:13:11 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-262-g8d1dace: Don't let level excursions affect env.old_player_pos 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8d1dacec0077 12:14:11 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-43-g3d029d5: Don't let level excursions affect env.old_player_pos 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3d029d535f39 12:17:01 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-262-g8d1dacec00 (34) 12:32:48 04Build failed for 08deflavour @ 92d53271 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/164756220 13:02:48 Stable (0.25) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.25.0-43-g3d029d5 13:09:02 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.26-a0-262-g8d1dace (34) 14:03:35 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-264-ge0103e0: fixup! Remove butchering and eating 10(75 minutes ago, 3 files, 2+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0103e0187cb 14:03:35 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-265-g8f50a15: fixup! Remove chunks and all OBJ_FOOD 10(71 minutes ago, 8 files, 23+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8f50a1500b36 14:04:30 lol apparently bones count is 7 bits, oops 14:07:58 04Build failed for 08deflavour @ 8f50a150 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/164874807 14:14:17 The build is still failing. (deflavour - 8f50a15 #13869 : Edgar A. Bering IV): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/706976227 14:22:10 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-266-g049276c: fixup! fixup! Remove chunks and all OBJ_FOOD 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/049276c12f1c 14:34:23 04Build failed for 08deflavour @ 049276c1 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/164897903 14:43:40 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-263-ga5a89cf: Let `--bones merge` respect MAX_GHOSTS 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a5a89cf34b93 14:43:40 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-264-g3a47132: Increase size of zig permastore the easy way 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3a471323bd44 14:45:35 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-44-g1251593: Let `--bones merge` respect MAX_GHOSTS 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1251593e89e9 14:45:35 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.25] * 0.25.0-45-g9783441: Increase size of zig permastore the easy way 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/978344163c4f 14:47:01 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-264-g3a471323bd (34) 14:48:56 -!- dexap is now known as paxed 14:59:06 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-267-g95afbb1: fixup! fixup! Remove butchering and eating 10(15 seconds ago, 3 files, 1+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/95afbb1b04bc 15:16:05 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 15:21:04 04Build failed for 08deflavour @ 95afbb1b 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/164926082 15:34:49 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-268-g66906b0: fixup! fixup! fixup! Remove chunks and all OBJ_FOOD 10(19 seconds ago, 3 files, 10+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/66906b08d6ad 16:17:46 ok, that passes CI 16:20:26 03advil02 {ebering} 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-265-g0550c00: Remove rations 10(2 days ago, 58 files, 194+ 449-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0550c0020cea 16:20:26 03advil02 {ebering} 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-266-g4edd994: Update Jiyva text for no rations 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 13+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4edd9946b73b 16:20:26 03advil02 {ebering} 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-267-g962a159: Fix a bunch of hints mode stuff for food 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 36+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/962a159bab99 16:20:26 03advil02 {ebering} 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-268-g256e0e0: Remove a stray reference to nutrition (gammafunk) 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/256e0e0cc6ab 16:20:26 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-269-g979bc23: Remove butchering and eating 10(25 hours ago, 139 files, 123+ 2851-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/979bc231ae26 16:20:26 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-270-g346c96a: Convert Ghouls to heal-on-kill 10(16 hours ago, 7 files, 19+ 49-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/346c96a0f359 16:20:26 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-271-g0d1b266: Remove chunks and all OBJ_FOOD 10(5 hours ago, 93 files, 180+ 1139-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0d1b26604847 16:20:26 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-272-gddc8f22: Consolidate corpse handling files 10(5 hours ago, 23 files, 167+ 212-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ddc8f22af028 16:20:26 03ebering02 07[deflavour] * 0.26-a0-273-g5f58d07: Remove an unused parameter 10(4 hours ago, 5 files, 7+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5f58d0702784 16:20:53 I've rebased this, I'll open a PR for further notes/commentary/review ease 16:21:13 Or, I dunno how much more there is to say 16:21:21 there's elliptic's outstanding remarks re: corpse hiding 16:22:13 but that's more an additional thing to do than an obstacle to merging this as is 16:29:12 The build is still failing. (deflavour - 95afbb1 #13873 : Edgar A. Bering IV): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/706994754 16:29:52 The build has errored. (deflavour - 66906b0 #13874 : Edgar A. Bering IV): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/707004437 16:34:43 -!- aidanh_ is now known as aidanh 16:44:59 travis doesn't like it though 16:46:10 no, travis iss just struggling 17:13:39 The build was fixed. (deflavour - 5f58d07 #13875 : Edgar A. Bering IV): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/707015244 17:34:47 I'm going for a run, when I get back I'm gonna hit merge unless someone stops me 18:24:31 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.26-a0-264-g3a471323bd (34) 18:27:41 New branch created: pull/1485 (12 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1485 18:27:41 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1485 * 0.26-a0-147-gefa5f30: WIP to-hit display 10(3 weeks ago, 3 files, 84+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/efa5f30e4862 18:27:41 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1485 * 0.26-a0-148-g3fe66fe: Tweak grammar 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3fe66feecf61 18:27:41 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1485 * 0.26-a0-149-gb34c10b: Rework corona/halo/umbra to-hit 10(3 weeks ago, 3 files, 58+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b34c10b4dbec 18:27:41 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1485 * 0.26-a0-150-g3db53b3: Don't amuse Xom with non-attacks 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3db53b30f740 18:27:41 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1485 * 0.26-a0-151-g4bd300a: Derandomize aevp/asp in to-hit descriptions 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 18+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4bd300ac458b 18:27:41 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1485 * 0.26-a0-152-ga165500: Shift more to-hit effects earlier 10(3 weeks ago, 7 files, 22+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a165500256be 18:27:41 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1485 * 0.26-a0-153-ga4cde38: Apply rmsl in to-hit display 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a4cde385d03e 18:27:41 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1485 * 0.26-a0-154-gdab3053: Fix backlight/umbra effects (WiseOldWolf) 10(23 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dab3053c82ef 18:27:41 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1485 * 0.26-a0-155-geefa633: Rejigger halo/umbra hit calc (WiseOldWolf) 10(21 hours ago, 2 files, 16+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eefa63350fe4 18:27:41 03PleasingFungus02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1485 * 0.26-a0-156-g50a83df: WIP 10(20 hours ago, 8 files, 66+ 48-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/50a83df106d5 18:27:41 ... and 2 more commits 18:32:01 Branch master updated to be equal with deflavour: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/master 18:56:07 kate-: do you know if emily plans to pick up her cblink PR again? 19:02:23 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-273-g5f58d07027 (34) 19:05:44 if you tag 0.25.1 please ping the @serveroperators group on github 19:07:52 -!- werekitten is now known as misha 19:26:58 ebering: ah i'm not sure but yeah i'd been meaning to take a look at that again too, i'll poke her about it 19:28:08 but if she doesn't have time then i might try to take a look myself to get the zot changes and stuff done so it can be merged 19:31:01 yeah I left some notes before going down the tournament rabbit hole 19:31:11 terwaltz (L24 OgSk) ASSERT(item.quantity == 1) in 'items.cc' at line 2270 failed. (Elf:1) 19:32:28 i guess ideally i'd like to properly clean up the teleport restrictions in zot, having to fully disable PoG is really inelegant 19:41:04 yeah, I was thinking that zot could just fuzz Pog more 19:41:18 or reduce duration 19:41:19 or both 19:57:49 Make OOFs spawn out of the passage entrances. 20:06:17 praeclara (L14 SpBr) ASSERT(item.quantity == 1) in 'items.cc' at line 2270 failed. (Lair:6) 20:06:33 praeclara (L14 SpBr) ASSERT(item.quantity == 1) in 'items.cc' at line 2270 failed. (Lair:6) 20:07:16 praeclara (L14 SpBr) ASSERT(item.quantity == 1) in 'items.cc' at line 2270 failed. (Lair:6) 20:12:58 ASSERTs are left in production code? 20:15:08 jfcaron: Intentionally (this needs to be a FAQ) 20:15:24 ??assert 20:15:24 I don't have a page labeled assert in my learndb. 20:22:53 Stable (0.25) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.25.0-45-g978344163c 20:25:31 !crashlog 20:25:32 22320. praeclara, XL14 SpBr, T:25139 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/praeclara/crash-praeclara-20200711-000706.txt 20:38:54 hm trunk is not compiling for me right now 20:40:54 ah needed to rm cmd-name.h 20:42:39 jfcaron we use ASSERTs as runtime checks of program state, and use them in cases where continuing could lead to corruption or segfaults 20:44:17 some useful discussion, https://digitalmars.com/articles/b14.html 20:44:58 they aren't c++ `assert` calls, but rather a fairly elaborate bug reporting system 20:45:08 designed to exit as gracefully as possible under a range of circumstances 20:49:18 I see. 20:49:35 03advil02 07* 0.26-a0-274-g7ed2249: Don't crash when dropping removed foods 10(41 seconds ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7ed2249cc257 20:49:59 TIL Enslaved Soul Jorgrun digs/shatters even outside of combat and makes autoexplore completely bananas. 20:57:26 Getting pretty consistent crashes in objstat (in vanilla; commit 3b8b0789e70f62b9918edfc720e41b0bf4adb040 which is around the start of 0.23), eg http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/temp/objstat.txt; I guess since you run objstat regularly this is a known problem that got fixed later, but I'm failing to have much joy in "git log". 20:57:40 I wonder if any of you happens to remember where I should be looking, please? 20:59:24 Oh, hang on, ignore that, I have another problem 21:02:15 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-274-g7ed2249cc2 (34) 21:25:47 rocky1 (L23 FoFi) ERROR: range check error (20 / 20) (D (Sprint)) 22:03:00 Idea: Spell Hurl Boulder - higher level earth spell that uses large rocks to push a monster back (like force lance does) and shatters to do damage to adjacent monsters. 22:49:14 -!- muffindrake1 is now known as muffindrake