00:03:18 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delver] * 0.26-a0-225-gad3113f: Add Initiate 10(2 weeks ago, 15 files, 85+ 45-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ad3113f46aad
00:03:18 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delver] * 0.26-a0-226-gd80ef66: Initiate -> Delver 10(2 weeks ago, 17 files, 72+ 79-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d80ef66f660c
00:03:33 <Cheibriados> Branch pull/1468 updated to be equal with delver: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1468
00:32:55 <alexjurkiewicz> reddit mods should check the moderation queue
00:33:21 <alexjurkiewicz> advil: yeah, my case was to prevent any variation
00:35:00 <alexjurkiewicz> PleasingFungus: you want an experimental branch?
00:35:05 <alexjurkiewicz> advil: ty btw
00:35:27 <PleasingFungus> alexjurkiewicz: yes absolutely, one or more
00:38:09 <PleasingFungus> alexjurkiewicz: wait, gammafunk says he's setting something up
00:38:12 <PleasingFungus> this is very confusing
00:38:41 <alexjurkiewicz> I own cpo :)
00:39:20 <alexjurkiewicz> more than one is totally doable but it would be easier if you can combine the changes into a single branch for the purpose of play testing. There's a small amount of work to set up experimental branches
00:39:35 <PleasingFungus> sure, i can plop em together. want me to do that now?
00:41:11 <Cheibriados> New branch created: delpal (5 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/delpal
00:41:11 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-200-gf65648a: New race: Palentonga 10(13 days ago, 26 files, 466+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f65648a46092
00:41:11 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-201-g4008efd: Merge bardings 10(34 hours ago, 31 files, 124+ 154-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4008efd4f00c
00:41:11 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-202-gceaeb8d: Replace centaur with palentongas 10(34 hours ago, 11 files, 96+ 89-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ceaeb8d35c7a
00:41:11 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-203-gfbe7fee: Upgrade DE's Bow apt (hellmonk) 10(33 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fbe7fee21410
00:41:11 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-204-g68dc099: Add Delver background 10(2 weeks ago, 9 files, 43+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/68dc0997d02f
00:41:38 <PleasingFungus> done
00:41:38 <alexjurkiewicz> please, then just let me know the branch name and repo owner (if not crawl)
00:41:41 <PleasingFungus> ^
00:42:47 <alexjurkiewicz> 👍 should be up after it compiles
00:43:05 <PleasingFungus> woot
00:43:08 <PleasingFungus> hellmonk will be happy
00:43:12 <PleasingFungus> and also, me :)
00:58:42 <gammafunk> delpal
01:01:37 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08delpal @ 68dc0997 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/158875126
01:08:26 <Gretell> Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.25.0-33-gff14898491 (34)
01:20:30 <alexjurkiewicz> the ghosts that appear after monsters are removed seem a little buggy. Or perhaps they are revealing bugginess in existing code
01:20:42 <alexjurkiewicz> I found one with a "max HP" of "about 1". But I've hit it three times for damage so far
01:26:18 <alexjurkiewicz> !tell pleasingfungus if you start as delver and a timed portal is on the level, the screen is black until you press space and the initial messages are missing even after doing that
01:26:18 <Sequell> alexjurkiewicz: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
01:26:45 <alexjurkiewicz> !tell pleasingfungus actually, the messages from the portal are there, but before the welcome messages
01:26:46 <Sequell> alexjurkiewicz: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
01:38:30 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.26-a0-224-g2964c8cf50 (34)
02:29:02 <travis-ci> The build failed. (delpal - 68dc099 #13795 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/705273990
02:45:19 <Goratrix> alexjurkiewicz: that's probably this generic bug, not Delver specific, it happens when saving/loading with a timed portal: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12174
03:23:39 <Rotatell> Stable (0.25) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.25.0-33-gff14898
03:37:33 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.26-a0-224-g2964c8c (34)
03:46:00 <Kelbell> Stable (0.25) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25.0-33-gff14898491
04:01:06 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-3406-g3a52f30212
04:17:18 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22.1-2830-g1aba9f89b1
05:23:25 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
09:51:06 <gammafunk> !kw nochunkeating
09:51:07 <Sequell> Keyword: nochunkeating => vlong>=0.26-a0-215-g1b87330
09:51:16 <gammafunk> !kw chunkless vlong>=0.26-a0-215-g1b87330
09:51:17 <Sequell> Defined keyword: chunkless => vlong>=0.26-a0-215-g1b87330
10:19:57 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-225-g64743ec: Remove melee hunger 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/64743ecae6e7
10:24:17 <floraline> experimental is crawl/delpal?
10:25:51 <ebering> yes
10:29:17 <aidanh> woah, no chunk eating?
10:29:29 <aidanh> brave new world
10:30:26 <gammafunk> aidanh: advil: if I'm setting up a public server, still want to mostly follow the usual instructions here, right? https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles
10:30:46 <gammafunk> presumably using the dgamelaunch-config repo we host on our org
10:31:22 <aidanh> afraid so
10:32:59 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.26-a0-226-gccf7159: Render direction chooser rays onto vbuf 10(24 hours ago, 5 files, 36+ 78-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ccf71593156a
10:35:22 <gammafunk> we are putting so much stuff onto vbuf these days, I hope it's a strong enough vbuf to carry all that
10:36:18 <aidanh> well it does crash if there's more than 20 overlays in a single cell... >_>
10:36:26 <aidanh> should probably do something about that
10:38:54 <gammafunk> I've noticed a strange rendering bug with frozen ramparts where if you do some X ]/[ and return to your current level, the icy floor overlays turn into something that looks like liquefied ground
10:38:54 <gammafunk> I should verify that this bug is still happening though
10:38:54 <gammafunk> and if so make an issue
10:38:54 <aidanh> i fixed that one
10:38:58 <gammafunk> nice
10:39:31 <aidanh> it turned out that the tile flags were being marshalled as a sint16 and being unmarshalled as a uint16
10:39:44 <gammafunk> ah
10:40:30 <aidanh> funny thing is that I suspect it was somehow machine dependent
10:41:42 <aidanh> on my machine, it basically lit up every single flag there was, so I got quad glow, orb glow, disjunction, the works
10:53:09 <gammafunk> haha
10:56:58 <Kelbell> Experimental (delpal) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-204-g68dc0997d0
11:00:54 <advil> gammafunk if you are using ubunt I would actually recommend following the container scripts, which are a condensed and tested version of that page
11:00:58 <advil> *ubuntu
11:01:50 <advil> i.e. the steps here: https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch-config/blob/master/utils/testing-container/Dockerfile and then here: https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch-config/blob/master/utils/provision-chroot.sh
11:01:56 <gammafunk> advil: ok, maybe I'll do that then
11:02:29 <advil> the provision-chroot script should in principle work without docker even
11:02:29 <gammafunk> I was put off by how it mentions it's for testing only
11:02:29 <advil> the resulting container is
11:02:40 <floraline> was there a nice way to reload config.py without restarting webtiles?
11:02:42 <advil> but what it's testing is those dgl install instructions :-)
11:05:02 <aidanh> is there still a need for a chroot in a docker container?
11:05:13 <advil> no, that's one reason why it's mainly intended for testing
11:05:53 <advil> some explanations here: https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch-config/blob/master/utils/testing-container/README.md
11:06:19 <floraline> looks like config is reloaded on USR1 signal but only for yaml enabled servers. good motivation to upgrade
11:09:14 <floraline> is there a thread somewhere for feedback on the experimental?
11:09:34 <gammafunk> not as of yet, no
11:10:38 <Kelbell> Webtiles server stopped.
11:10:39 <gammafunk> I'll ask PF about that and get back to you with a link
11:10:40 <Kelbell> Webtiles server started.
11:11:23 <advil> floraline unfortunately iirc there's still some work to be done to make that dgl-config compatible
11:11:30 <advil> the yaml setup that is
11:11:53 <gammafunk> we're also not fully sure how reliable all that config reloading is
11:12:25 <gammafunk> it might be fine for new games though; modifying already loaded ones or just anything already loaded might be more of a concern
11:12:25 <advil> well, alexjurkiewicz has been using it live, so it has been getting testing
11:12:58 <gammafunk> yeah, but has that reloading actually been tested? the server itself has been running certainly.
11:13:30 <gammafunk> I'm not saying this as if I've taken a look in detail, but it was a concern when looking at what he implemented
11:24:32 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-226-gccf7159315 (34)
12:19:58 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-230-g63bc630: Unbrace 10(34 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/63bc630cf474
12:20:13 <Cheibriados> 03Byrel Mitchell02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1429 * 0.26-a0-29-g3fdbb6e: Previously, phial of floods did three things: 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 38+ 65-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3fdbb6ea3403
12:38:40 <Bcadren> I'm being indecisive about something for my fork and I thought I'd actually as if mainline would want either possibility. I've long had issue with how much you have to know to know when using a polymorph wand is a good idea (HD, Holiness, et. all used to determine what something is polymorphed into). I have three different ideas of how to fix it
12:38:40 <Bcadren> and can't pick one. (1) What hellcrawl did. Turn it into a wand of slimification which turns the target into a slime creature always (single slime creature up to titanic slime creature depending on HD). (2) Restore Cigotuvi's Degeneration and put it in the wand instead (similar; but slightly different). (3) Keep polymorph wand, but list 3 possible
12:38:41 <Bcadren> forms the monster could change to when targetting. [Course there's always just remove the wand; but then there would be a missing design space for "risky hex wand".]
12:44:48 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08delpal @ 63bc630c 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/159553442
13:11:52 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] is now known as cum
13:11:56 -!- cum is now known as Tux[Qyou]
13:16:14 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq is now known as Zannick
13:17:30 <gammafunk> floraline: would you be able to publish the meta files for delpal at https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/meta/ at some point?
13:28:52 <Henzell> Stable (0.25) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.25.0-33-gff14898
13:39:29 <Henzell> crawlingbirds (L20 VSFi) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (Vaults:3)
13:58:08 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.26-a0-226-gccf7159 (34)
14:06:33 <travis-ci> The build is still failing. (delpal - 63bc630 #13799 : gammafunk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/705470440
14:20:13 <floraline> gammafunk: whoops, sorry. done
14:34:24 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
14:54:33 <Cheibriados> New branch created: refactor-directn (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/refactor-directn
14:54:33 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[refactor-directn] * 0.26-a0-227-gdcc33f8: Inject custom rendering into viewwindow() 10(53 minutes ago, 6 files, 96+ 77-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dcc33f8b0fe5
14:54:33 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[refactor-directn] * 0.26-a0-228-g6eb1781: Remove needless use of viewwindow 10(53 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6eb17817ce8b
14:55:05 <Cheibriados> 03Byrel Mitchell02 {ebering} 07* 0.26-a0-227-g1af32d9: Previously, phial of floods did three things: 10(3 hours ago, 3 files, 38+ 65-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1af32d979d62
15:01:26 <hayenne> Hi guys, do you have any commit message conventions?
15:04:58 <advil> 72 columns
15:05:03 <spicycat> generally start your commit with a verb, briefly describe what the commit does
15:05:20 <advil> yes, we typically use an imperative style
15:05:26 <advil> for commit titles
15:06:26 <amalloy> hayenne: https://chris.beams.io/posts/git-commit/ is good advice for any git repo. i don't think we 100% stick to any of it, but something that fits these requirements would surely be fine
15:06:26 <advil> explain what's going on in the commit msg as well as PR text (since PR text is effectively gone from the record once the commit goes through)
15:06:26 <spicycat> have each commit do a specific thing; don't have a commit that says "add new demisphinx, and also fix bug from fe89a4, and also adjust two-weaponing to hit the user 10% of the time"
15:06:57 <hayenne> thank you
15:08:45 <amalloy> (example of not following this style: the latest merged PR, actually)
15:10:13 <advil> haha yeah I noticed that as I was giving advice
15:18:26 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-227-g1af32d979d (34)
15:20:04 -!- Tux[Qyou] is now known as cummies
15:22:59 <hayenne> I just noticed most commits feature a "Summary\n\nDescription" style I was unfamiliar with
15:27:47 <ebering> oops, the pre-rebase commit had the title
15:27:54 <ebering> aidanh: if you're working on crawl stuff is
15:27:56 <ebering> !pr 1421
15:27:57 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1421
15:28:31 <ebering> still on your radar? I'd like to merge it but you've been doing most of the review so far
15:51:25 <travis-ci> The build passed. (refactor-directn - 6eb1781 #13800 : Aidan Holm): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/705517801
15:57:41 <hayenne> I am looking at sprint_mu.des (Sprint III map) and am puzzled a bit: https://pastebin.com/CAtgpCP1
15:58:36 <hayenne> do I read it right that [by design] either Lerneaen hydra, Spectral hydra, Hydra simulacrum or Xtahua must spawn?
16:00:59 <hayenne> the questions arises because I got a vault which looks like it should have had Lerneaen hydra, but does not have any - https://imgur.com/a/dEnelP5
16:16:41 <aidanh> ebering, oops, totally forgot about that one; I'll take a look tomorrow
17:05:54 -!- hayenne_ is now known as hayenne
17:07:37 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/1480 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1480
17:07:37 <Cheibriados> 03Eugene Abramchuk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1480 * 0.26-a0-192-g963faef: Adjust Sprint III cloud generators 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/963faeff312d
17:27:59 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
18:10:52 <advil> did something change about dates with `-graph`? I would swear that stuff like `s=week(end)` used to get you a coherent graph, now it looks like it is failing to parse the date properly
18:11:08 <advil> and plotting by time
18:23:22 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.26-a0-227-g1af32d979d (34)
18:50:20 <alexjurkiewicz> gammafunk: config reload has been used extensively on cpo now. You can tell because new game types are being added to the bottom of the list, rather than in the "correct" order
18:50:49 <alexjurkiewicz> it looks like I've added 0.25, delpal and quickcrawl using the system, plus reloading periodically for trunk rebuilds
18:51:56 <alexjurkiewicz> !tell pleasingfungus palentonga having "four arms" implies they can wield things like formicid, which doesn't seem to be true. lore mismatch?
18:51:56 <Sequell> alexjurkiewicz: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
18:57:02 <advil> also re lore, I liked the whole "spiked ankus" line at first, but once I googled the things and understood roughly how they were used, I find that I have a viscerally negative reaction to the concept
18:59:22 <alexjurkiewicz> wow yeah
19:01:22 <advil> not that crawl is that good re animal rights :D
19:11:59 -!- cummies is now known as RonJeremy
19:14:14 <Cheibriados> Equipping an amulet from the ground caused the game to crash 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12307 by Flugkiller
19:16:32 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
20:08:04 <alexjurkiewicz> kate-: your sword of power rework -- would you mind posting it in here? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1417
20:08:08 <alexjurkiewicz> (the idea)
20:30:01 <kate-> ah sure, it's only really a vague idea rather than a full design but i added a comment there
20:30:50 <kate-> also while searching the backlog for previous discussion i found this other excellent sword of power idea: "<kate-> imo rename the sword of power to entarex"
20:30:55 <kate-> rip maud...
21:11:11 <Cheibriados> 03amalloy02 07* 0.26-a0-228-g29f007e: Don't crash when putting amulets on from the floor (Flugkiller, #12307) 10(43 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/29f007ebfe04
21:14:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
21:17:06 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-228-g29f007ebfe (34)
21:30:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
21:52:02 <PleasingFungus> !tell amalloy ty for fixing my amulet bug!
21:52:03 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them.
21:52:03 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let amalloy know.
21:52:55 <amalloy> PleasingFungus: tbh thanks for writing it. small-scope bugs are the main kind of thing that gets me interested in working on crawl
21:53:10 <PleasingFungus> :)
21:53:23 <PleasingFungus> !tell alexjurkiewicz four legs, two arms (but maybe they'll just go down to two of each in the end, hard to say)
21:53:23 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let alexjurkiewicz know.
22:01:16 <PleasingFungus> these delver changes might mess with seed stability for d:5... hopefully not too much
22:01:23 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-231-g9f4bf6a: Delver: Fix monster spawn (WiseOldWolf) 10(2 minutes ago, 5 files, 32+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9f4bf6adc57c
22:01:23 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-232-geef8341: Pal: unbrace 10(80 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eef83416ebda
22:05:15 <amalloy> hm. seems like the seed-stability-friendly approach would be to choose one stair on D:5 as the delver landing site regardless of what background the player chooses, and ensure it's free of monsters
22:07:38 <alexjurkiewicz> PleasingFungus: no need to !tell me if i'm in here, I read hilights
22:07:38 <Sequell> alexjurkiewicz: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
22:07:41 <alexjurkiewicz> ty for response
22:08:39 <PleasingFungus> npnp
22:08:44 <PleasingFungus> the timed portal thing worries me
22:08:48 <PleasingFungus> but i'm trying to deal with one thing at a time
22:17:51 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08delpal @ eef83416 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/160058632
22:20:59 <PleasingFungus> that's a weird error
22:24:03 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-233-g482cebd: Palentonga: charge restrictions 10(37 seconds ago, 3 files, 51+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/482cebd71d1b
22:34:20 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-234-gc1640ad: Palentonga: set charge time 10(36 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c1640ad8c1ab
22:39:11 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-235-ge1464ed: Palentonga: tweak muts 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e1464ed716f4
22:41:27 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[delpal] * 0.26-a0-236-g04dcf75: Palentonga: tweak spell apts 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/04dcf7558d45
22:45:19 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08delpal @ 482cebd7 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/160079920
22:50:31 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08delpal @ c1640ad8 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/160086243
22:59:06 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08delpal @ e1464ed7 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/160088333
23:01:19 <dcss-ci> 04Build failed for 08delpal @ 04dcf755 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/160089606
23:20:31 <travis-ci> The build is still failing. (delpal - 482cebd #13805 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/705635420
23:53:45 <gammafunk> !kw pa
23:53:46 <Sequell> Built-in: pa => cls=Paladin
23:54:00 <gammafunk> !kw palentonga
23:54:01 <Sequell> No keyword 'palentonga'
23:54:12 <gammafunk> !kw palentonga crace=palentonga
23:54:12 <Sequell> Defined keyword: palentonga => crace=palentonga
23:54:17 <gammafunk> !kw delver cls=delver
23:54:18 <Sequell> Defined keyword: delver => cls=delver