00:56:42 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
03:11:47 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.25-a0-583-g696c2ac64d
03:12:06 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.25-a0-583-g696c2ac (34)
03:48:34 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-443-g80245de385
03:55:55 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22.1-2536-g3f25739f81
04:28:07 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[webserver-dev-env] * 0.25-a0-581-g50d7049: Added User class 10(16 hours ago, 2 files, 24+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/50d704930a6b
04:28:07 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[webserver-dev-env] * 0.25-a0-582-g170cef9: Remove remember-me checkbox 10(16 hours ago, 2 files, 1+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/170cef970982
04:28:07 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[webserver-dev-env] * 0.25-a0-583-g5b29d4a: Fix Loading... webtiles text not vertically centred 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 10+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5b29d4ad8847
04:28:07 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[webserver-dev-env] * 0.25-a0-584-g6754fec: Add initial admin panel 10(15 hours ago, 3 files, 97+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6754fecfda2b
04:28:07 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[webserver-dev-env] * 0.25-a0-585-ga23388f: Add development_mode webserver setting 10(6 hours ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a23388fd138e
04:28:07 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[webserver-dev-env] * 0.25-a0-586-ga56fb67: Add user view for downloading saves 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 93+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a56fb672f1ba
04:28:11 <Cheibriados> Branch pull/1306 updated to be equal with webserver-dev-env: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1306
04:31:07 <gammafunk> uses past tense of add in one commit title, present tense in subsequent ones?!
04:38:13 <aidanh> woopsies
04:45:00 <aidanh> i have newfound respect for server ops; the standard setup is amazingly brittle
04:55:54 <alexjurkiewicz> and almost all unnecessary!
05:04:07 <aidanh> oh that too, the actual installation steps are very laborious; i've started to automate a lot of that
05:06:08 <gammafunk> I'm not sure you can say it's unnecessary though
05:06:08 <gammafunk> unless you just mean you don't have to support console
05:06:43 <gammafunk> if you're talking about the use of chroot at all, yeah I can see that, but my guess is that security-wise things are a nightmare either way
05:07:13 <gammafunk> you're running a hacked together webtiles server with an archaic codebase regardless of the chroot
05:10:38 <travis-ci> The build was fixed. (webserver-dev-env - a56fb67 #12813 : Aidan Holm): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/659750402
05:10:40 <aidanh> it's definitely a good idea to have a chroot at least, although it's not all that well secured
05:11:51 <aidanh> but most of the actual maintenance toil is not intrinsically necessary
05:12:13 <aidanh> there's no reason why the update-stable scripts can't create the required directories, for example
05:12:20 <aidanh> or fix permissions automatically
05:20:45 <gammafunk> I think use of chroot at all is what alexjurkiewicz was referring to
05:21:31 <gammafunk> and yeah, those scripts could definitely have a bit more logic like that
05:21:56 <gammafunk> I'm glad someone took the time to write them at least
05:27:58 <alexjurkiewicz> i do think chroot is not needed. webtiles servers don't really have anything outside the chroot. Any attacker is interested in data of their own or other players, and that's all in the chroot
05:28:26 <alexjurkiewicz> But I was thinking more about the complexity of how stable/git update process works, as aidanh mentioned
05:28:47 <alexjurkiewicz> my favourite thing to hate on is the save transfer logic
05:29:56 <aidanh> they might have things outside of the chroot if ops have one big server with a bunch of stuff
05:30:47 <alexjurkiewicz> sure, like cao
05:35:16 <gammafunk> not just cao, but also cdo
05:35:26 <gammafunk> those two were the first crawl servers, after all
05:36:03 <gammafunk> and I don't think those are the only two servers that run non-crawl things on the same server
05:36:28 <gammafunk> cwz certainly does, but I'm not sure what kind of security setup hong has there
05:41:30 <gammafunk> cue is also hosting some of TZer0's content on the same IP
05:42:17 <gammafunk> save transfers is kind of a cool hack; for players in the know, it's a nice way to keep a trunk game playable when some major change happens
05:42:45 <gammafunk> if nem is reworked, I can avoid the transfer and finish my game, which makes playing trunk more reasonable
05:43:58 <gammafunk> but many players are just confused by those prompts and probably a pretty large majority wouldn't know how to check if they should say no to the transfer
05:44:34 <gammafunk> it does also cause a lot of headaches due to the technical issues of retaining and managing those trunk versions
05:47:35 <aidanh> with a save downloading UI, we could change it to "transfer or download" instead of "transfer or continue playing"
05:48:13 <aidanh> also, is it just my setup or does the build directory amass large numbers of crawl binaries
05:48:26 <gammafunk> that's definitely a problem
05:48:47 <gammafunk> there's a "clean trunks" command to help deal with it
05:49:22 <gammafunk> I forget the details of how that's run; I want to say a crontab is often used
05:49:26 <gammafunk> that's just to handle trunk builds for which there's no active save
05:49:41 <gammafunk> for active saves, admins have had to rig up things to force transfer people
05:51:01 <aidanh> i don't get it; what's wrong with simply moving binaries into the chroot instead of copying?
05:51:45 <gammafunk> oh, yeah, that's what dgl setups do
05:52:57 <aidanh> mine doesn't
05:57:24 <gammafunk> aidanh: update-crawl-trunk-build.sh has a CRAWL_BASEDIR that goes into the chroot
05:57:32 <gammafunk> on CAO, at least
05:57:38 <gammafunk> in crawl-git.conf
05:58:57 <gammafunk> builds from a dir outside of the chroot, but all go into the chroot as handled by make by passing the right make variables
06:00:28 <aidanh> i'm looking at chroot/sbin/install-trunk.sh here
06:01:20 <aidanh> https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch-config/blob/47300e4ba08afbf57a0bfcacfe5de2c211d21a8a/chroot/sbin/install-trunk.sh#L56
06:01:24 <gammafunk> that's run from the chroot though
06:01:38 <gammafunk> at least I think, since it's a chroot script
06:02:19 <gammafunk> maybe not, but I see paths also referencing the chroot dir variable
06:03:14 <gammafunk> like that binaries dir: BINARIES_DIR=$CHROOT$CHROOT_BINARIES
06:04:01 <aidanh> chroot is relative to the system, so I don't think this actually executes inside the chroot
06:04:22 <aidanh> which actually probably makes it a nice escape hatch for any attacker, come to think of it
06:04:37 <aidanh> er, by chroot, i mean $CHROOT
06:06:42 <gammafunk> yeah, perhaps it doesn't execute in the chroot, but to your original question, the scripts seem to put the build file into the chroot
06:07:00 <aidanh> oh yes, definitely
06:07:26 <aidanh> but my point is that they copy it, instead of moving it
06:07:32 <aidanh> perhaps this differs on other branches?
06:07:47 <aidanh> the master branch is a slightly improved szorg
06:09:41 <gammafunk> yeah, now that I look, I do see about 80 crawl binaries in that repo dir
06:10:23 <gammafunk> I think the reason why it's done that way is probably just laziness at using make to do the installation
06:10:56 <aidanh> about 2 gigs worth, i'd guess?
06:11:15 <aidanh> the classic "that looks about right" approach
06:11:29 <gammafunk> !calc 82 * 220
06:11:30 <Sequell> 18040
06:12:13 <gammafunk> more like 18g, each binary is about 220mb
06:12:37 <aidanh> er, yeah, my maths was way off
06:12:57 <aidanh> !blame3 symbol tables
06:12:57 <Sequell> syyyyymboooool taaaaableeeees
06:13:33 <gammafunk> we should just require the game to be written in assembler so no one can really work on it
06:31:00 <aidanh> i mean, we've already got c, c++, perl, python 2 and 3, shell script... a bit of assembler can't hurt
06:32:05 <aidanh> alexjurkiewicz: how is the death of the day / weekly challenge done? is it with custom html templates?
06:38:40 <alexjurkiewicz> yes, custom banner.html includes
06:38:46 <alexjurkiewicz> i can pastebin you the exact files, if you want
06:39:56 <aidanh> no need, thanks though
06:40:26 <aidanh> that's a pain though.. makes adding new template files a pain
06:42:32 <aidanh> and *of course* the install-trunk.sh file that would make that possible to fix is installed via dgl-publish, so it'll never get updated
06:42:40 <alexjurkiewicz> yes
06:43:23 <alexjurkiewicz> i had a patch for webtiles-changes which moved all the upstream templates to template.html.base and the webserver would preferentially use template.html if it existed, otherwise it would use template.html.base
06:43:37 <alexjurkiewicz> will probably revive that for webtiles once this PR gets merged, so I don't need a local fork with changes
06:44:04 <aidanh> please open a pr :) I was just thinking about doing something like that
06:45:27 <aidanh> i guess the default install-trunk.sh behaviour of not pushing new templates is fine; it'll cause 500 errors, but at least noone's lovingly crafted templates will be overwritten
06:50:19 <gammafunk> I had a patch for dgamelaunch-config to move some webtiles management to the scripts
06:50:34 <gammafunk> ??neil[3
06:50:34 <Sequell> nfm[1/7]: <+gammafunk> |amethyst: I've a patch for the webtiles-changes branch on dgamelaunch-config: http://sprunge.us/HONd?diff
06:51:26 <gammafunk> the second patch in that diff
06:52:19 <gammafunk> ah, I guess this is not really relevant to current webtiles
06:53:21 <gammafunk> we don't have that separate client make step
06:53:34 <aidanh> that's for webtiles-changes?
06:54:11 <gammafunk> yep
06:56:32 <aidanh> i'm considering migrating away from the current all-on-one-page approach for webtiles
06:57:07 <aidanh> at least for things like rc file editing, email/password changing, etc
06:57:37 <aidanh> the everything-through-a-websocket approach has some issues
07:00:57 <gammafunk> would those other portions just use conventional http, presumably still with webtiles serving that?
07:03:14 <aidanh> yeah
07:05:00 <aidanh> like this: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/webserver-dev-env/crawl-ref/source/webserver/admin.py
07:05:00 <aidanh> fairly standard stuff
07:53:53 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.25-a0-584-g3e75c3e: Fix Loading... webtiles text not vertically centred 10(19 hours ago, 1 file, 10+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3e75c3e6b8df
07:53:53 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.25-a0-585-gc85e699: Add development_mode webserver setting 10(9 hours ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c85e6996e452
07:53:53 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.25-a0-586-g4257648: Add zombie meliai tile 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/42576482716a
08:07:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
08:13:57 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-586-g4257648271 (34)
09:11:47 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.25-a0-587-gb4d47b2: Bump copyright year to 2020 10(26 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b4d47b27603c
09:18:06 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-587-gb4d47b2760 (34)
12:23:44 <Lantell> Stable (0.23) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23.1-93-ge536e68a2c
13:10:46 <svendre> !next
13:10:47 <Sequell> The RNG declares that svendre shall win TeWz next.
13:12:06 <svendre> !next
13:13:16 <Sequell> The RNG declares that svendre shall win DsSu next.
13:14:40 <svendre> Please remove summoning xp penalty - summoning isn't fun as it is... thanks!
13:19:14 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.25-a0-587-gb4d47b2 (34)
13:31:12 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/1310 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1310
13:31:12 <Cheibriados> 03sdynet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1310 * 0.25-a0-588-g91a68f0: Change wand part1: Remove wand of enslavement/paralysis 10(37 minutes ago, 30 files, 34+ 108-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/91a68f0ce6b3
13:31:12 <Cheibriados> 03sdynet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1310 * 0.25-a0-589-gad5eb9b: Change wand part2: Simplified organize of wand of random effects 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ad5eb9bcb3db
14:13:35 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
18:19:58 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.25-a0-588-ga6ea776: Update some vaults (minmay) 10(75 minutes ago, 1 file, 19+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a6ea776cabd9
18:19:58 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.25-a0-589-g1e14c54: Update the mailmap for one of kate's addresses 10(55 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1e14c549ee25
18:32:31 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-589-g1e14c549ee (34)
18:58:08 <gammafunk> |amethyst: advil: is it possible to have Cheibriados use --use-mailmap by default for all its lookups? Will allow us to see nick changes like kate's reflected in past commits
19:23:51 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.25-a0-589-g1e14c549ee (34)