02:10:40 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.25-a0-479-g8579842
02:48:42 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-443-g80245de
03:11:49 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.25-a0-479-g8579842 (34)
03:30:59 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-2937-g6dcc57c99b
04:36:12 <Henzell> Evablue (L21 NaFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 223: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Vaults:2)
04:38:25 <Henzell> BunnyKimber (L7 TrMo) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 223: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:5)
06:47:25 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
07:02:21 <Yermak> Sequell is gone from ##crawl.
11:21:31 <PleasingFungus> "BoM is one of the weaker bolt spells, but this is ok. If it turns out to be really unacceptably bad to not have a stronger bolt spell, BoM can be buffed in some way."
11:21:31 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
11:22:48 <PleasingFungus> I can see an argument for some spells being intentionally weaker than others. In some games, you might only encounter weaker spells, forcing you to adjust your playstyle & thus increasing variety. In general, though, Crawl's magic system tends to encourage players to only use the strongest spells they encounter, which means that known 'weaker'
11:22:49 <PleasingFungus> spells like Bolt of Magma just go unused. If we've known that bolt of magma was weak, which IIRC the consensus was it's been for the last umpteen years, why not just tweak up the damage a bit?
11:23:21 <Lantell> Stable (0.23) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23.1-91-gf373564dc4
11:32:59 <Pinkbeast> PleasingFungus: Presumably the idea now is that bolt of magma won't go unused because it is now the strongest bolt spell as well as the weakest
11:33:29 <PleasingFungus> not fully convinced that 'bolt spell' is an essential enough niche for it to see use
11:33:48 <PleasingFungus> 'ranged damage', 'multi-target damage', these are important roles
11:34:10 <PleasingFungus> but of course many other spells match those descriptions
11:34:21 <PleasingFungus> and 'bolt' specifically does not seem essential
11:36:01 <PleasingFungus> you could also argue that if fire is supposed to be 'explodey/DoT' and earth is supposed to be 'directed' and mostly single target, BoM doesn't fit in *either* school's philosophy
11:37:00 <PleasingFungus> it's just "55% damage"
11:37:06 <PleasingFungus> *55% red damage
11:37:45 <Pinkbeast> I'm just saying I think that's the rationale, not that I necessarily agree with it.
11:38:19 <PleasingFungus> sure, that's fair - hope I didn't come across as jumping down your throat
11:38:26 <PleasingFungus> good to have multiple sides to a discussion :)
15:00:10 <alexjurkiewicz> aidanh: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/DCSS-Servers-overview -- CPO is Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
16:00:15 <Cheibriados> 03kate-02 07* 0.25-a0-480-ga45ed2c: Fix some vault item definitions (#12191) 10(83 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a45ed2c2fa6a
16:00:15 <Cheibriados> 03kate-02 07* 0.25-a0-481-g37d6d75: Fix Warlock's Mirror not reflecting piercing ranged weapons (#12142) 10(71 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/37d6d75d0a77
16:00:15 <Cheibriados> 03kate-02 07* 0.25-a0-482-g9b3b753: Improve armour AC change descriptions 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9b3b753f3f4b
16:18:18 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-482-g9b3b753f3f (34)
17:19:34 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
18:22:44 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.25-a0-482-g9b3b753f3f (34)
18:31:30 <Rotatell> Erg (L16 FoFi) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'movement.cc' at line 471 failed. (D (Sprint))
18:31:44 <Rotatell> Erg (L16 FoFi) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'movement.cc' at line 471 failed. (D (Sprint))
18:32:29 <Rotatell> Erg (L16 FoFi) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'movement.cc' at line 471 failed. (D (Sprint))
18:32:58 <Rotatell> Erg (L16 FoFi) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'movement.cc' at line 471 failed. (D (Sprint))
18:33:29 <Rotatell> Erg (L16 FoFi) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'movement.cc' at line 471 failed. (D (Sprint))
18:34:08 <Rotatell> Erg (L16 FoFi) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'movement.cc' at line 471 failed. (D (Sprint))
18:34:15 <Rotatell> Erg (L16 FoFi) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'movement.cc' at line 471 failed. (D (Sprint))
18:34:17 <Rotatell> Erg (L16 FoFi) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'movement.cc' at line 471 failed. (D (Sprint))
18:34:19 <Rotatell> Erg (L16 FoFi) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'movement.cc' at line 471 failed. (D (Sprint))
18:34:20 <Rotatell> Erg (L16 FoFi) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'movement.cc' at line 471 failed. (D (Sprint))
18:34:23 <Rotatell> Erg (L16 FoFi) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'movement.cc' at line 471 failed. (D (Sprint))
18:39:20 <ebering> uh oh
18:39:45 <PleasingFungus> pretty good bunch of crashes imo
18:39:56 <PleasingFungus> it would be good to have a save backup
18:48:08 <Cheibriados> New branch created: shieldreform (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/shieldreform
18:48:09 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[shieldreform] * 0.25-a0-480-gca9fc5a: Rename large shield -> pavise 10(4 hours ago, 77 files, 112+ 112-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ca9fc5ac96d6
18:48:09 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[shieldreform] * 0.25-a0-481-g8322e1f: Rename shield -> hoplon 10(5 minutes ago, 122 files, 126+ 126-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8322e1f2f001
18:53:37 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/1277 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1277
18:53:37 <Cheibriados> Branch pull/1277 updated to be equal with shieldreform: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1277
18:53:51 <alexjurkiewicz> rename shields -> medium shields :P
18:54:29 <PleasingFungus> that would have been a lot less work
18:54:30 <alexjurkiewicz> i think this removes clarity for players in order to improve the experience of people posting CIP posts
18:54:36 <PleasingFungus> what's a cip
18:55:02 <alexjurkiewicz> character in progress aka the sort of queries you referred to in the large shield commit
18:55:32 <PleasingFungus> possible
18:56:04 <alexjurkiewicz> I also think this logic would apply to crossbows.
18:56:06 <PleasingFungus> i like pavise but i don't really like hoplon
18:56:17 <alexjurkiewicz> "I'm using a crossbow" "what sort of crossbow?"
18:56:26 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: thankfully we don't have crossbows
18:56:34 <ebering> only hand crossbows, arablests, and triple crossbows
18:56:43 <PleasingFungus> yes, i renamed them for that exact reason
18:56:53 <PleasingFungus> many years ago
18:56:57 <ebering> it was you!
18:56:58 <PleasingFungus> also do we have hand crossbows again?
18:57:03 <ebering> yes
18:57:06 <PleasingFungus> oh right i did that
18:57:07 <PleasingFungus> oops
18:57:20 <PleasingFungus> i'm basically senile
18:57:32 <PleasingFungus> anyway, yeah, can see hoplon -> medium shield or something
18:57:43 <PleasingFungus> kite shield
18:58:37 <ebering> I added it to the PR so it wouldn't get lost
18:58:37 <ebering> but
18:58:41 <ebering> *triple shield*
18:58:47 <PleasingFungus> wow
18:59:10 <PleasingFungus> that's so many shields, ebering
18:59:10 <PleasingFungus> most people don't even have one... feels very unjust
18:59:55 <alexjurkiewicz> good chant for occupy wall st. "we are the holders-of-the-modal-number-of-shields"
19:00:10 <PleasingFungus> problem with medium shield is it's very long, though not much longer than large shield
19:02:10 <PleasingFungus> what if it was kiteshield, one word
19:02:55 <|amethyst> aww, I like "scutum" for large shield, but I guess "pavise" fits faux-mediaeval better
19:03:05 <|amethyst> also, "pavise" is less likely to induce giggles
19:03:29 <PleasingFungus> hence also not using 'aspis'
19:03:38 <PleasingFungus> scutum definitely a classic fun word
19:03:56 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.25-a0-483-g6f036f9: Fix Dith's Shadow Mimic for Teleport Other (joemaro) 10(48 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f036f9bbcaa
19:03:56 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.25-a0-484-gb7f6864: Refactor some vault loot statements 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b7f6864ba138
19:05:16 <PleasingFungus> also hi |amethyst!
19:05:41 <|amethyst> hi, welcome back!
19:05:51 <PleasingFungus> i plan to vanish again without warning at some point
19:05:51 <|amethyst> The prodigal son returns
19:06:02 <|amethyst> worked for me :)
19:06:16 <PleasingFungus> :)
19:06:27 <PleasingFungus> do you have an opinion on the great and very reasonable hoplon issue
19:06:55 <|amethyst> "hoplon" is kind of obscure, I agree
19:08:37 <PleasingFungus> kiteshield is sort of specific and slightly long, but i'm currently net positive on it
19:08:48 <|amethyst> "kite shield" (with or without a space) is in a reasonable number of other games so I think is reasonable
19:08:51 <PleasingFungus> i wish heater shields had a name that wasn't so victorian and dumb
19:10:04 <|amethyst> aren't those the special tiles they put on the space shuttle so it doesn't burn up on reentry?
19:10:32 <PleasingFungus> lol
19:13:05 <PleasingFungus> alexjurkiewicz: hoplon -> kite shield? (-> kiteshield?)
19:13:55 <alexjurkiewicz> i prefer kite shield to hoplon!
19:14:10 <PleasingFungus> how about vs shield
19:14:15 <|amethyst> I do prefer the space
19:14:21 <alexjurkiewicz> it still has shield in the name, which satisfies my "new players know what it is" desire
19:14:27 <PleasingFungus> sweet
19:14:35 <PleasingFungus> ty for objecting! i think you were right that hoplon was too obscure
19:15:00 <PleasingFungus> i didn't like it much either but i had tunnel vision
19:15:04 <alexjurkiewicz> <3
19:15:11 <alexjurkiewicz> no YOU'RE great
19:15:32 <|amethyst> And I think it's not unreasonable to have obscure names for the top tier
19:15:57 <|amethyst> viz. fustibalus
19:17:00 <alexjurkiewicz> ??wontdo | grep triple
19:17:00 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled wontdo_|_grep_triple in my learndb.
19:17:53 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-484-gb7f6864ba1 (34)
19:30:27 <ebering> ??wontdo[triple
19:30:27 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled wontdo[triple in my learndb.
19:30:38 <ebering> PleasingFungus: I'm serious about triple shield
19:31:35 <PleasingFungus> are you
19:34:23 <alexjurkiewicz> tension between unusual names for top tier items and the desire to nae everything "triple x"
19:36:55 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.25-a0-485-g9ae4f58: Rename large shield -> pavise 10(5 hours ago, 77 files, 112+ 112-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9ae4f581c478
19:36:55 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.25-a0-486-g9aada81: Rename shield -> kite shield 10(54 minutes ago, 122 files, 126+ 126-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9aada8127aa9
19:37:12 <ebering> I'm not sure if I'm more serious than you are but yes alexjurkiewicz has identified the tension in my soul
19:37:19 <ebering> we'll go with I'm not as serious as you
19:38:09 <PleasingFungus> someday i'll decide if i'm serious or not
19:38:11 <PleasingFungus> not today
19:51:13 <gammafunk> just so we're clear, he wasn't serious about giving dragon form a spellpower enhancer to dragon's call
19:51:35 <PleasingFungus> oh god i'd forgotten that
19:51:57 <PleasingFungus> some people here just hate fun...
19:52:14 <PleasingFungus> (more dragons = more fun)
20:13:26 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-486-g9aada8127a (34)
20:15:31 <PleasingFungus> hm, i think i missed a spot
20:15:34 <PleasingFungus> (shield of the gong tile name)
20:15:34 <Sequell> GONNNNG!
20:15:35 <PleasingFungus> fixing
20:51:54 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.25-a0-487-gc70b7ad: Fix some unrand shield player tiles 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c70b7ad80ad3
20:52:19 <PleasingFungus> Tile 'pavise_of_ignorance' for part 'BODY' not found in 'dc-player.txt'.Tile 'kite_shield_bullseye' for part 'BODY' not found in 'dc-player.txt'.I spent 45min and I can't figure out how to fix this...
20:52:24 <PleasingFungus> I assume it's some obvious typo somewhere
20:52:35 <PleasingFungus> help welcomed
20:55:01 <PleasingFungus> oh god i found it
20:55:18 <PleasingFungus> good news: we still support caps
21:03:03 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-487-gc70b7ad80a (34)
21:03:44 <Psymania> I always get that shield
21:03:55 <Psymania> the (formerly large shield, now pavise) of ignorance
21:06:05 <PleasingFungus> some say soon it'll be a tower shield
21:06:49 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.25-a0-488-g03579ab: Fix unrand pavise player tiles 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/03579ab4a3a4
21:07:07 <PleasingFungus> !tell gammafunk 03579ab4a3 has some extremely goodcode
21:07:07 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
21:17:54 <gammafunk> %git 03579ab4a3
21:17:54 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.25-a0-488-g03579ab: Fix unrand pavise player tiles 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/03579ab4a3a4
21:17:54 <Sequell> gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
21:17:54 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-488-g03579ab4a3 (34)
21:17:54 <gammafunk> how dare you ignore me, Cheibriados
21:18:10 <gammafunk> oh that's just the latest
21:18:52 <gammafunk> heh, pretty hi tech
21:20:11 <gammafunk> what if we add a new body armor subtype, HATCH_FOR_POOP
21:20:17 <gammafunk> there will be bugs
21:34:10 <alexjurkiewicz> ebering: here is my proposal for a positional spell rework. dragon's call -> triple dragon. It summons three dragons around every enemy and they IMMEDIATELY attack
22:11:04 <advil> that guy who found some sort of lua exploit pinged reddit modmail again
22:11:19 <advil> I told him to try here
22:11:37 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/1278 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1278
22:11:37 <Cheibriados> 03theJollySin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1278 * 0.25-a0-479-g1dc4644: Reimagining Robe of Augmentation as a ghostly shroud 10(12 minutes ago, 14 files, 21+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1dc464411b13
22:11:47 <advil> (did we ever replicate that?)
22:12:34 <advil> anyways, he wants us to do some kind of formal security process involving cves or whatever
22:12:45 <advil> the whole thing has a very odd feel to it
22:12:56 <advil> like, maybe try working on a patch if you're so concerned
22:13:53 <PleasingFungus> triple dragon <<<<< double dragon
22:13:54 <advil> I guess if I were active I'm the one who'd most likely be trying to fix it (but tbh that's just not something I'm going to work on right now)
22:14:26 <PleasingFungus> wait, shield is in there twice
22:14:47 <PleasingFungus> i'd fix this but i'd have to learn perl
22:15:36 <advil> this bug is (need a dev account to view): https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12163&nbn=3#bugnotes
22:16:03 <advil> anyways, this person may show up here and/or make it public in some other way if we don't do anything
22:16:23 <advil> from mantis, maybe aidanh is the most likely to do something?
22:16:26 <alexjurkiewicz> if this person is a security researcher or wants to be, CVE is good for their resume, which would be why they are pushing to make it formal
22:16:37 <alexjurkiewicz> can you describe the effect of this exploit? Does it allow local shell?
22:16:37 <PleasingFungus> seems like a pretty good exploit imo
22:16:41 <PleasingFungus> yes
22:16:46 <advil> supposedly
22:17:11 <advil> iirc amalloy (the only one who tried) couldn't get it to work
22:17:22 <alexjurkiewicz> ok. I guess I'll leave user lua enabled for now. Is there a command line option I can give to disable it though hmmm
22:17:46 <advil> alexjurkiewicz I guess if this is a real exploit you may be the most vulnerable in that you are the only server without a chroot
22:17:52 <advil> the real problem is old crawl versions
22:18:06 <advil> not that a chroot really is a good security measure
22:18:22 <amalloy> i mean, i did get it to cause a segfault. going from that to ACE is probably not hard for someone who knows what they're doing
22:18:22 <alexjurkiewicz> given a few servers were DoSed by the "apocalypserobin bug", I'm inclined to be security conscious here
22:18:48 <advil> that one is super easy to trigger
22:18:56 <advil> (still is)
22:19:07 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah hence "
22:21:56 <alexjurkiewicz> hm, there's no way to disable user lua, and it doesn't look straight forward to add a command line option to do so (if user lua is compiled in, it's on)
22:22:48 <advil> I believe that this bug is entirely prevented by disabling loadstring
22:23:10 <advil> which isn't needed for clua (it is used for dlua I think)
22:24:44 <advil> but we may not even be able to compile some of the old versions of crawl on a server like cao
22:26:50 <gammafunk> yeah, I'm not sure we can realistically do anything about those old versions
22:26:58 <gammafunk> other than simply disabling them
22:27:33 <gammafunk> unless someone makes a project that somehow brings those old codebases up to current compiler standards, or something
22:28:09 <gammafunk> and by current compilers, I mean the worst compiler we have on any of our current servers
22:29:01 <gammafunk> maybe just asking admins to not run such old versions of crawl is the answer, but for that to work, we'd have to support something like trunk, stable, and stable-1 I guess?
22:30:28 <advil> possibly old stuff would build better than I'm imagining on linux, especially on a setup like cao's
22:30:44 <advil> it would be nice to deprecate some of the old cao version though
22:30:57 <advil> it's happened once before on that server, but a very long time ago
22:32:24 <gammafunk> probably the scoring changes?
22:32:34 <gammafunk> when we moved to 15 runes max
22:32:50 <gammafunk> predates my involvement for sure
22:33:21 <advil> hmm it would be nice if cao scoring had some better version stats, if only there were a dev who knew how to do that
22:33:37 <gammafunk> careful! what if you spend another week working on cao scoring!
22:33:39 <advil> ah that seems likely
22:34:24 <advil> my sabbatical is over, I cannot do that again
22:34:24 <gammafunk> agree that per-version scores would be very nice
22:34:54 <gammafunk> maybe we can get advil's university to do a poll on whether he deserves a second sabbatical???
22:34:59 <gammafunk> post it to the reddit
22:35:46 <advil> (when people ask what I did on my sabbatical, which they do, I do not actually tell them, I fixed the scoring db for a game on the internet)
22:35:52 <advil> haha if only that's what it took
22:36:50 <alexjurkiewicz> hm, if you disable clua autofight will stop working, I think
22:36:51 <advil> I wonder if in the near term (not immediately) it would make sense to push cao versions up to something like 0.16
22:37:18 <advil> yeah, once upon a time disabling all clua might have been possible but I suspect it's gonna cause some big problems
22:39:29 <gammafunk> we'd also have to ask cbro to do something similar
22:39:37 <gammafunk> should be fairly easy for johnstein to disable those, though
22:39:49 <gammafunk> he currently goes back to 0.13
22:39:52 <advil> oh yeah cbro goes back further than I thought
22:41:04 <gammafunk> likewise cwz has a bunch of old versions, actually going back to 0.10 (a korean translation patch of it, even)
22:41:21 <gammafunk> so we'd have to recommend to hong to remove some of those
22:41:36 <gammafunk> I wonder if his patch was a compilation change for 0.10 and 0.11
22:41:42 <gammafunk> er 0.10 and 0.12
22:41:52 <gammafunk> they are labeled as k_0.10 and k_0.12
22:42:26 <gammafunk> I have a feeling he may have compiled those himself, but maybe they were just database text changes
22:42:47 <gammafunk> ah, and cxc has back to 0.14
22:43:04 <gammafunk> woah, cue back to 0.10
22:43:30 <gammafunk> so I guess we'd have to ask a bunch of admins to cut those older versions or maybe give them a patch to apply/recompile themselves if they wanted
22:44:08 <gammafunk> but I guess going forward for security bugs, it'd be ideal to not have official support for such old versions
22:44:39 <alexjurkiewicz> my in-development patch to build webtiles as docker images fixes all of this
22:46:01 <gammafunk> does it? are you talking about having all admins roll out a docker setup?
22:46:27 <alexjurkiewicz> that would probably be as likely as getting them to update to GCC 9
22:46:46 <gammafunk> if so, we've been down that road before, and anyone starting a container-based project has made the container thingy then disappeared when we mentioned that for it to do any good
22:46:52 <gammafunk> they'd need to work with admins to roll it out
22:47:13 <alexjurkiewicz> but it does provide a pathway for server operators to run ancient versions without needing an ancient development environment on the base OS
22:47:43 <gammafunk> oh, well you said "fixes all of this"
22:48:19 <gammafunk> that does sound like a potential fix for the case of admins wanting to run ancient versions, but there's still the issue of us supporting patches to these ancient versions in the first place
22:48:37 <gammafunk> some new security issue comes out, do we want to go trawling through 0.10 source to make a patch to address it?
22:49:01 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah. ultimately that is the first step
22:49:08 <gammafunk> trawling is perhaps not the correct word choice, but you catch my meaning
22:50:52 <advil> I think if the fix is disabling loadstring for clua, a patch won't be so complicated
22:51:19 <advil> and will touch only very-rarely-changed parts of crawlcode
22:51:25 <advil> (to be clear I don't immediately know how to do that)
22:52:54 <advil> for a different fix it might be entirely different...any of the ideas I had for mitigating dos-like effects of huge numbers of turns would be a different scenario, next-to-impossible to backport very far