00:52:26 03gammafunk02 07* 0.25-a0-478-g33c61bd: Have Vehumet support Frozen Ramparts 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/33c61bdccf0b 00:56:42 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:02:52 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-478-g33c61bdccf (34) 01:21:07 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-2937-g6dcc57c99b 02:02:48 im not for censorship but could this be addressed somehow in ##crawl 02:02:48 rabbit___: maybe try eating giant flamimg fuxmimg elephant cocks 02:10:07 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.25-a0-478-g33c61bd 02:48:19 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-443-g80245de 03:16:35 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.25-a0-478-g33c61bd (34) 03:30:52 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-2937-g6dcc57c99b 06:07:43 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 08:34:42 So, if I made a change to an unrandart that changes the description, what do I do about all the description texts in other languages? 08:35:21 What's the SOP for making a change to a feature that has several translations? 08:40:17 AFAIK - and I am not a vanilla dev - translations just rot until someone cares to fix them and this is tolerated 08:44:52 AH, okay. 09:23:06 Stable (0.22) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.22.1-59-ge965b3aba3 11:20:42 contemplating hard capping embrace at +27 11:20:57 pros: don't need to worry about weird megazig nonsense going completely degenerate; adds another 27 11:21:16 cons: kind of lame from a player perspective, needs extra communication 11:23:08 gammafunk, ebering: opinions? 11:24:12 Stable (0.23) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23.1-91-gf373564dc4 11:25:25 PleasingFungus: well, the high AC thing is an interesting problem for this unrand, but I think megazigs aren't actually the concern. It is a case where we sort of just don't care a lot about balance, there are other unrands that are especially good in zigs, and you have to find this thing to use it, which can take arbitrarily long 11:25:47 But I think there is some conern for the main game; you can probably get some big megakills and get a lot of AC without that kill being particularly risky 11:26:23 it does feel like just more aggressive attenuation might be the answer, but yeah obviously a hard cap is a possibility 11:26:32 wyrmbane is a somewhat similar example 11:29:29 sure, could have it fall off more aggressively after some point 11:29:45 just want to be careful to keep it usable and fun at lower kill counts 11:30:26 gammafunk, advil: do either of you know what distro/version cdo is running? 11:30:28 without, say, a beehive or something making it absurd 11:30:59 aidanh: yeah, one sec and I'll get you the details 11:32:47 aidanh: cdo is Debian 8 11:32:57 cheers 11:33:08 gcc version 4.9.2 (Debian 4.9.2-10+deb8u2) 11:35:32 i've added the server distro/gcc versions to https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/CPP-17-Upgrade 11:36:58 c++17 looks a long way off though; I was hoping to add abseil and get most of the c++17 language features for free, but even that will require three server upgrades 11:38:48 we don't actually know what cwz and lld run, do we? 11:39:17 i'm pretty sure upgrading the chroot alone won't work either, because the old kernel will still be in use 11:39:21 oh I pulled that info out of some recent crash files 11:39:38 hah, able to get the full os details, or did you just care about the compiler basically? 11:40:06 version of gcc mostly, but the os version is useful too 11:40:46 is there some especially useful C++17 thing you'd like, or is it a bunch of different features of the standard? 11:41:02 optional<>, definitely 11:45:25 string_view would definitely be helpful as well 11:47:09 don't forget about std::variant 11:47:14 also, in terms of future maintenance burden, it'd be better to keep servers as up-to-date as possible 12:40:51 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.25-a0-479-g8579842: Small Cigotuvi's tweaks and fixes 10(89 minutes ago, 2 files, 11+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8579842fd417 12:47:58 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-479-g8579842fd4 (34) 13:56:07 !tell PleasingFungus I'd favor a more aggressive attenuation function (try taking a second logarithm after a certain point?) to a hard cap 13:56:08 ebering: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 13:56:33 optional<> is also the thing I would most want 13:59:40 re the unagidon complaint, I've given that guy like a million warnings both about off topic stuff and being a jerk to people; usually dies down for a bit after warnings but always comes back. So I'd be in favor of banning. But I also don't really want to have much to do with moderating that channel 13:59:50 (and one of the reasons I'm currently not active is exhaustion re the worse player community elements) 14:02:23 I'm not exactly the voice of toleration here but I feel ATM ##crawl is coming back a bit with new people when it had been a bit of a ghost town, and as such having unagidon shitting it up is more damaging than it was 14:13:00 I don't like this guy, too. The only person in my ignore list. 14:21:09 advil: I don't have ops in ##crawl but fwiw I would have swung the hammer months ago when I asked unagidon to mind the ??language entry and recieved a rude reply and no behavior change 14:21:28 so, if it removes your decision burden just flip the bits and I'll eat the flak 14:21:46 do you want ops? 14:21:59 I'd rather not take on permanent moderating roles in any crawl spaces 14:22:00 well, I'm not sure if I can grant that, but maybe I can 14:22:03 heh 14:22:04 for reasons I'm sure you understand 14:38:52 although in some regards I consider unagidon a friend, I'm sad to say that I honestly don't think I'd miss him (more his incessant obnoxity and borderline-hostility) if he were banned :\ :P 15:06:40 -!- Psymania_ is now known as Psymania 15:09:05 !tell PleasingFungus Powered By Death stacks are more likely to decay each turn the more of them you have, perhaps you can use similar logic for the new unrand 15:09:05 alexjurkiewicz: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 15:22:36 New branch created: pull/1275 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1275 15:22:36 03Alex Jurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1275 * 0.25-a0-475-g85f7656: INSTALL.md improvements 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 26+ 20-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85f7656ff1b3 15:22:36 03Alex Jurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1275 * 0.25-a0-476-g5e60b75: Remove install instructions for Void Linux 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5e60b759c3e7 15:24:22 i've also warned unagidon in the past for abusive language but i don't idle ##crawl anymore so i've missed more recent things, if others have also given multiple warnings with no change in behaviour then i'd be all for banning fwiw 15:29:21 (and i'm happy to go ahead and do it once i remind myself how chanserv works) 15:31:32 personally I don't care about his language (but I know that there are channel rules about certain words and phrases), but it pisses me off how much he likes to harangue people for being bad/'wrong for having different subjective tastes than his 15:32:58 which to begin with is off-topic (something I also personally don't mind but know that it is what ##crawl-offtopic is for), but is irritating for me because it's just not nice :P a joke or two is fine but it just gets fucking excessive 15:36:30 aidanh: let me know if this PR is what you're after ^ 15:45:25 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:48:45 kate-: Thanks 15:49:58 no problem, i'll probably still not idle ##crawl but in general feel free to ping me if something needs moderating there 16:10:29 -!- aidanh_ is now known as aidanh 17:54:46 thanks kate- 17:55:16 Psymania tbc there are very few if any rules in ##crawl including language, but the problem is that unagidon was regularly abusive towards other people 18:03:33 advil, well I've gotten warned, scolded, even temporarily kicked for saying that I got "raped" by Lom Lobon or that the game "gypped" me...which personally I feel is a little ridiculous but I also understand the ideas and try to respect channel rules 18:03:58 also don't know what "tbc" means, probably not important 18:22:57 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.25-a0-479-g8579842fd4 (34) 18:31:01 Crawl ingame manual: going to a next page skips a line of text. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12193 by Yermak 20:54:21 Psymania I'm not going to have an extended discussion about it but one of those is invokes sexual violence and the other is super racist so... 20:54:30 tbc = to be clear 22:27:17 advil, yeah, like I said, I understand the ideas behind the rules