00:00:10 <ebering> hm!
00:01:26 <ebering> Well, sending this to travis found some issues
00:03:07 <ebering> I guess I didn't regen the db or I should have caught that.
00:41:01 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-120-ga9d9d41: fixup! Positional magic ⭐️: New Iskenderun's Mystic Blast 10(20 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a9d9d416b681
00:41:03 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-120-ga9d9d41: fixup! Positional magic ⭐️: New Iskenderun's Mystic Blast 10(22 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a9d9d416b681
01:28:58 <travis-ci> The build is still failing. (positional-magic - a9d9d41 #12202 : Edgar A. Bering IV): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/611216696
01:37:51 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.25-a0-98-g0cf78c2 (34)
01:41:46 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.25-a0-99-gfcdb843: Correctly cap duration for Fedhas summons 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fcdb84326453
01:43:55 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.24] * 0.24.0-29-g8ce449b: Correctly cap duration for Fedhas summons 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8ce449bc067f
01:47:47 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-99-gfcdb843264 (34)
02:09:03 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.25-a0-99-gfcdb843
02:24:00 <travis-ci> The build has errored. (master - fcdb843 #12204 : gammafunk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/611232460
02:59:14 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-443-g80245de
03:12:17 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.25-a0-99-gfcdb843 (34)
03:20:52 <travis-ci> The build has errored. (stone_soup-0.24 - 8ce449b #12205 : gammafunk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/611233086
03:31:00 <Kelbell> Stable (0.24) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24.0-29-g8ce449bc06
03:31:43 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-2755-g7a777c9c6c
03:33:42 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22.1-668-gb08e4fe313
04:38:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
06:08:11 <Bcadren> I would like to say I agree with Cryp71c's note at line 2307 of Melee-Attack.cc; it's really weird that forms get a UC accuracy boost. I mean if it was just bladehands or something, fine; but +10 UC accuracy to lich form is really weird.
06:15:23 <Bcadren> For my fork, I'm getting rid of that completely; I'd like to recommend mainline either do the same or get rid of like half of them. Every form has roughly +10 to-hit for UC; it's find for some of them, like blade hands, but wisp, statue, lich, etc.
06:18:05 <Bcadren> Oof sorry on that grammar there; tired. Fine for some of them, like Blade Hands. But plain ridiculous for like Wisp and Lich.
07:23:32 <Bcadren> How are the windows release .zip's made? I tried reading one and putting the files together in it; but it didn't work. Release.txt in the development files is about the standards around starting a tournament and nothing to do with that part.
07:31:19 <Bcadren> Oof. I found it; but it's Debian instructions only.
09:32:03 <ebering> !tell gammafunk re: hostile briars (and also other hostile summons) I think the best solution is that if you damage your summons they get dismissed
09:32:03 <Sequell> ebering: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
09:32:26 <ebering> That does mean you can, e.g. dismiss a paralyzed summon who's blocking your escape but
09:32:44 <ebering> That seems like less of an advantage than creating a hostile briar or guardian golem
09:34:22 <advil> do you mean specifically for immobile summons?
09:34:31 <ebering> I was thinking for all summons
09:34:37 <ebering> (because guardian golems don't attack)
09:35:17 <ebering> and I mean just summons, so not Z's and not snakes
09:35:47 <advil> a bunch of summon spells/abils are balanced around the possibility of hostile summons, no?
09:35:54 <advil> demons/makhleb specifically
09:36:24 <advil> or do you mean if you damage a friendly summon, it gets dismissed instead of going hostile?
09:36:32 <advil> (I didn't see the context for this)
09:38:04 <advil> just a heads up for anyone else using scoring; I have refactored configuration to be a lot cleaner and entirely in sources.yml, but this will mean that if you are pulling my changes you'll have a one-time config update you'll need to do. It should be reasonably documented in README and in the commit message for https://github.com/crawl/scoring/commit/70fd198a885ee911c7893a03c316e454f2bc9174 (though be aware that that commit itself doesn't
09:38:05 <advil> have everything)
09:38:37 <advil> so I guess that's Pinkbeast & floraline ^
09:50:10 <ebering> advil: yes I mean that if you damage a friendly summon it gets dismissed instead of goign hostile
09:50:21 <ebering> I guess you could use this to skirt the SGD hostile timeout
09:54:17 <advil> also malign gateway, but that one could just be an exception
11:00:00 <advil> does fedhas_altar_decomposition make sense any more?
11:23:43 <Lantell> Stable (0.23) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23.1-91-gf373564dc4
11:41:07 <advil> I guess that is what https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12106 says too
11:56:39 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.25-a0-100-g33052ce: Remove old flavor messaging from fedhas_altar_decomposition (12106) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/33052ceff86b
12:01:52 <ebering> malign gateway's tentacle is a fakesummon
12:02:15 <ebering> like a snake
12:02:56 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-100-g33052ceff8 (34)
12:05:58 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.25-a0-100-g33052ce (34)
12:06:48 <ebering> I think having SGD be the exception is probably ok; since SGD demons turning hostile is already an exception
12:49:22 <ebering> hmmmmmmmmmmm
12:49:52 <ebering> After more thought I'm not sure dismissal is the right approach
12:49:57 <ebering> They should just not change in attitude
12:50:19 <ebering> No
12:50:19 <ebering> I don't really like that either
12:53:53 <travis-ci> The build has errored. (master - 33052ce #12206 : advil): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/611464958
12:57:51 <advil> I haven't checked the implementation but actually if SGD demons really do start off as charmed, they might automatically be an exception for the dismissal approach
13:01:06 <ebering> Dismissal also desires some exceptions: Fulminant prism and CBLs come to mind
13:01:29 <ebering> I think those have a monster flag though marking that they're spell proxies
13:07:54 <ebering> Ok, I think I'm happy with this set of rules:
13:08:31 <ebering> 1. Friendly true summons dismiss on an attack that would change alignment (except Greater Demons)
13:10:01 <ebering> 2. M_CONJURED summons maintain alignment and just take damage
13:10:30 <ebering> 3. Fake summons (Zs, snakes, and tentacles) retain old behavior (turn hostile)
13:37:08 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22.1-674-g1e77327610
14:21:00 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/1201 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1201
14:21:00 <Cheibriados> 03AdamPG02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1201 * 0.25-a0-99-g6051931: Make the Warlock's Mirror's reflection chance scale as intended 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/605193136e30
14:36:39 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-108-gecba380: Positional magic ⭐️: Remove IMB as a zap type and from monster spells 10(4 weeks ago, 16 files, 18+ 223-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ecba380e593b
14:36:39 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-109-g06d7160: Positional magic ⭐️: Remove Dazzling Spray as a zap type 10(4 weeks ago, 11 files, 1+ 317-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/06d71609034b
14:36:39 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-110-ge771dd4: Positional magic ⭐️: Remove Force Lance as a player spell 10(4 weeks ago, 2 files, 1+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e771dd42a4f2
14:36:39 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-111-g69aa44c: Positional magic ⭐️: Rename and revise Dazzling Spray 10(4 weeks ago, 7 files, 53+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/69aa44c2f915
14:36:39 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-112-g90ba8d5: Positional magic ⭐️: New Iskenderun's Mystic Blast 10(4 weeks ago, 6 files, 85+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/90ba8d59621d
14:36:39 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-113-gdfdee16: Positional magic 🐍: Poison removals 10(29 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dfdee165a0c7
14:36:39 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-114-g18ae900: Positional magic 🐍: Revise Sting 10(24 hours ago, 4 files, 9+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/18ae900f48ae
14:36:39 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-115-g5248967: Positional magic 🐍: Adjust Venom Mage start 10(24 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/52489672a33e
14:36:39 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-116-g257001a: Positional magic 💀: Remove Bolt of Draining as a player spell 10(21 hours ago, 2 files, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/257001aa3027
14:36:39 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-117-g82dc576: Positional magic 💀: Reduce the range of Agony and Dispel Undead 10(21 hours ago, 6 files, 78+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/82dc5765b259
14:36:39 <Cheibriados> ... and 2 more commits
14:36:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-108-gecba380: Positional magic ⭐️: Remove IMB as a zap type and from monster spells 10(4 weeks ago, 16 files, 18+ 223-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ecba380e593b
14:36:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-109-g06d7160: Positional magic ⭐️: Remove Dazzling Spray as a zap type 10(4 weeks ago, 11 files, 1+ 317-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/06d71609034b
14:36:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-110-ge771dd4: Positional magic ⭐️: Remove Force Lance as a player spell 10(4 weeks ago, 2 files, 1+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e771dd42a4f2
14:36:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-111-g69aa44c: Positional magic ⭐️: Rename and revise Dazzling Spray 10(4 weeks ago, 7 files, 53+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/69aa44c2f915
14:36:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-112-g90ba8d5: Positional magic ⭐️: New Iskenderun's Mystic Blast 10(4 weeks ago, 6 files, 85+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/90ba8d59621d
14:36:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-113-gdfdee16: Positional magic 🐍: Poison removals 10(29 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dfdee165a0c7
14:36:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-114-g18ae900: Positional magic 🐍: Revise Sting 10(24 hours ago, 4 files, 9+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/18ae900f48ae
14:36:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-115-g5248967: Positional magic 🐍: Adjust Venom Mage start 10(24 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/52489672a33e
14:36:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-116-g257001a: Positional magic 💀: Remove Bolt of Draining as a player spell 10(21 hours ago, 2 files, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/257001aa3027
14:36:42 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-117-g82dc576: Positional magic 💀: Reduce the range of Agony and Dispel Undead 10(21 hours ago, 6 files, 78+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/82dc5765b259
14:36:42 <Cheibriados> ... and 2 more commits
14:51:10 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
15:50:08 <travis-ci> The build is still failing. (positional-magic - 60acec8 #12208 : Edgar A. Bering IV): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/611532252
16:30:47 <kitchen_ace> question about slime and walls: currently you can't see that a floor is beside a slime-covered wall unless the wall is discovered
16:31:33 <kitchen_ace> this makes sense from a "realism" point of view, but is kind of unintuitive because the floor can change as you explore
16:32:04 <kitchen_ace> would a change so you can always see the slime on the floor be accepted/desirable?
16:32:56 <kitchen_ace> (this came up in a discussion where I blinked onto a floor I thought was safe but was actually beside a slime-covered wall, in case you are wondering about practical applications)
17:21:33 -!- jfcaron_ is now known as jfcaron
17:46:47 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[positional-magic] * 0.25-a0-120-g76af7ff: fixup! Positional magic 💀: Reduce the range of Agony and Dispel Undead 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/76af7ff78056
17:46:49 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1200 * 0.25-a0-120-g76af7ff: fixup! Positional magic 💀: Reduce the range of Agony and Dispel Undead 10(18 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/76af7ff78056
17:47:28 <alexjurkiewicz> wonder if Cheibriados could be changed to not double post like that
17:48:28 <ebering> let's see how travis likes that
17:48:55 <advil> it's surprisingly annoying to detect commits as being both in a branch and a pr, but I'm sure it's possible
17:49:13 <advil> someday it would also be nice to implement what the discord bot does for a force push
17:49:43 <advil> which is just say "branch force pushed from X to Y"
18:08:23 <gammafunk> ebering: it's a briars-only issue for fedhas specifically, and the fix was going to be simply abjure upon attitude change
18:08:29 <gammafunk> sounds like you're describing a more general change?
18:23:08 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.25-a0-100-g33052ceff8 (34)
18:26:18 <gammafunk> !kw hittemnames s=regexp_replace(name, 'v+(20)?vhard', 'vvvhard')
18:26:19 <Sequell> Defined keyword: hittemnames => s=regexp_replace(name, 'v+(20)?vhard', 'vvvhard')
18:43:47 <travis-ci> The build is still failing. (positional-magic - 76af7ff #12210 : Edgar A. Bering IV): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/611612127
19:22:17 <Lantell> Stable (0.24) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.24.0-29-g8ce449bc06
21:52:18 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_