00:03:43 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
00:13:14 <gammafunk> advil: thanks
00:30:17 -!- james1 is now known as Sage1234
01:37:09 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.25-a0-56-g68f8618 (34)
01:40:44 <gammafunk> advil: I published your release post, only changes was a post-script I added about a writeup for 0.24 I'll do soon
02:08:20 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.25-a0-56-g68f8618
02:57:54 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-443-g80245de
03:31:27 <Kelbell> Stable (0.24) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24.0-0-ga7d21def0a
03:32:12 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-2634-gb4598b3726
04:19:49 <alexjurkiewicz> hey! why don't I get a mention in the community contributors here? https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-24-plants-vs-vampires
04:22:01 <alexjurkiewicz> i demand recognition
04:43:36 <amalloy> gmarks is in there twice, as well
04:44:41 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
08:31:53 <Heliophobic> I see the webserver JavaScript stuff in the repo, how much to the various servers customize their UI?
08:32:02 <Heliophobic> For things like morgues and player rankings, etc.
08:33:22 <Heliophobic> I guess I can just make an account on another server and see if it looks them same.
08:54:09 <ebering> advil: I guess you already made the post, but I did a variety of ad-hoc things
08:54:30 <ebering> diffing credits, using git log to produce a list of contributors to the version, and also grepping the logs for () credits in case of vaults or w/e
08:54:38 <ebering> that last one was a a bit of a challenge
09:10:19 <advil> alexjurkiewicz sorry was following the lead from the 0.23 post where you weren't listed either, the principle that I inferred was that that list wasn't for core contributors in some sense (devteam, server owners). I'm afraid I left floraline off for that reason...not to say that either of you shouldn't be acknowledged!!
09:11:32 <advil> I actually considered listing all server owners in that post too, since I actually don't think you all get enough credit, but didn't end up doing that; may be worth doing in a future release post though
09:29:15 <Bcadren> floraline My fork doesn't appear to have updated, is there a compilation error serverside that I'm not getting local or was the rebuild taken out of the schedule during the tournament update?
09:29:57 <advil> ebering: ok, I did everything but the last one, hopefully that won't miss too many people...did you glance at the list to see if it looks basically right to you, since you merged a lot of PRs?
09:34:19 <ebering> it looks right to me, though I think some people got duplicated in the credits
09:34:31 <ebering> theJollySin is John Stilley I think?
09:34:49 <advil> ah ok...I already fixed gmarks
09:35:29 <advil> yeah you are right about that one
09:35:32 <ebering> yep
09:36:08 <advil> one of his commit emails doesn't match up to the name at all so I missed that
09:37:42 <advil> did you already edit it?
09:38:12 <ebering> no, I'm preparing for the worst part of my regular job
09:38:25 <advil> well, someone edited it!
09:38:32 <ebering> spooky
09:38:52 <ebering> I guess it's the season
10:01:47 <Goratrix> any dev online now? there is a bug in 0.24 caused by this: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c56bcba7025d672565a42afd8ec1305c020d4be
10:02:05 <Goratrix> skill gains and actions are missing from morgue files
10:02:16 <Goratrix> comma or " in a wrong place?
10:04:11 <advil> why did that even compile
10:04:52 <Goratrix> :D
10:05:18 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.25-a0-57-ga0c9b72: Fix comma (Goratrix) 10(43 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a0c9b72effd5
10:05:56 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.24] * 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707: Fix comma (Goratrix) 10(81 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fbc8707122f4
10:06:49 <advil> well, that fixes it for tournament players at least, we are planning a 0.24.1 after tournament in any case
10:07:46 <Goratrix> will the offline builds be rebuilt? would be nice for people like me who play offline (and trunk builds were not available for quite some time)
10:07:49 <Heliophobic> Any server owners/operators online?  Quick intro question.
10:09:09 <Pinkbeast> Heliophobic: Suggest just asking the question
10:11:41 <advil> Heliophobic if it's the same question you asked earlier, I think the answer is that most server owners customize the main page, and maybe add some scoring stuff that's separate, but otherwise leave it untouched
10:12:12 <Heliophobic> Ah. Thanks.
10:12:18 <Pinkbeast> LLD's different, I think
10:12:25 <advil> the exceptions being CPO which is very different, and CWZ which has a bunch of custom things including sounds
10:12:35 <Pinkbeast> I mean, other than by virtue of the interface being in Japanese
10:12:38 <Heliophobic> I can't find any stuff for viewing your morgues or server high scores in the repo.   So that must all be custom?
10:12:52 <advil> lld I don't know about
10:13:03 <advil> which server?
10:13:10 <Pinkbeast> Heliophobic: Do you mean via scoring Web pages or via Sequell?
10:13:33 <Heliophobic> web pages
10:14:06 <advil> for morgues most servers just expose the morgue folders via apache or something like that
10:14:16 <advil> cao scoring is its own thing
10:14:41 <Heliophobic> I play on CKO and there are pages for all your past morgues, and various web pages for comparing players.  Which all seem like good content.
10:15:06 <advil> can you link to it? I thought I remembered that but the link isn't obvious from the main webtiles page there
10:15:17 <Heliophobic> Seems like a good solution.  Just looking around for places in the codebase that could use some TLC.
10:15:33 <Heliophobic> https://crawl.kelbi.org/#lobby
10:15:35 <Pinkbeast> CAO's scoring comes from a separate repository at https://github.com/crawl/scoring; we use that; I guess but I don't know that CKO's scoring is derived from it but heavily hacked about.
10:15:41 <Pinkbeast> https://crawl.kelbi.org/scoring/highscores.html ?
10:15:52 <Heliophobic> Or, in my case:
10:15:53 <Heliophobic> https://crawl.kelbi.org/scoring/players/heliophobic.html
10:16:15 <advil> I don't actually see a link to that from the lobby, but yeah, floraline is running a custom version of the scoring scripts
10:16:47 <Heliophobic> Ah, interesting.
10:16:51 <advil> that are run on CAO
10:17:05 <Pinkbeast> advil: You only see the link if you're logged in, hence me supplying the scoring link directly
10:17:13 <advil> ah I see
10:17:17 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-57-ga0c9b72eff (34)
10:18:03 <advil> I believe this is what cko is running: https://github.com/floraline/scoring/tree/cko
10:18:15 <advil> base repository: https://github.com/crawl/scoring
10:18:52 <Pinkbeast> Heliophobic: If you're looking for something to do there is a known problem that restarting the scoring daemon on CAO takes _forever_, but it's being looked into anyway.
10:19:55 <Heliophobic> Ah, neat.
10:20:42 <Heliophobic> I'm also noticing a lot of Python code with no doctstrings, in that Repo and in the webserver in the main crawl repo too.  Not sure if that's a choice, or just what happened.
10:21:58 <Heliophobic> But thanks all.
10:22:32 <advil> well, the cao restart problem is something I'm actively working on, but no doubt there's a lot of ways in which scoring can be improved...most people seem to look at the code and decide to rewrite it from scratch though
10:22:52 <advil> docstrings in the webtiles code would probably be very useful
10:24:44 <geekosaur> "rewrite" is probably because it's a hacked-up copy of an ancient nethack scoring setup >.>
10:26:26 <Heliophobic> It looks like the scoring repo uses Mako files to generate HTML.  I'm not familiar with that, but all my little ideas for improving scoring involved adding minor JavaScript to the pages.  We'll see if that's made easier or harder through this mako build process.
10:26:30 <Heliophobic> One way to find out!
10:26:54 <advil> I haven't used mako aside from this but it's a lot like every other templating system I've encountered
10:28:15 <Pinkbeast> Not to be Mr Awkward but personally I would regard it as a major downside if the scoring system required Javascript or buried interesting data under it.
10:28:59 <Heliophobic> No, I wouldn't lose any functionality by adding JS.
10:29:06 <Heliophobic> And it might all be doable in CSS.
10:29:20 <advil> huh, hadn't really looked at the nethack scoreboard before...the design choices are similar but the codebase seems unrelated
10:29:33 <Pinkbeast> NAO or Hardfought?
10:29:53 <Pinkbeast> I think one of those shares some long-distant ancestor with CAO scoring but ICBW
10:30:13 <advil> https://scoreboard.xd.cm/
10:30:24 <advil> source (I think) is https://github.com/borekl/nhs
10:30:50 <Pinkbeast> I forgot about the grand unified scoreboard, silly me
10:31:18 <advil> nhs is perl+postgre+template toolkit, cao scoring is python+mysql+mako
10:34:28 <advil> I wonder if someone took the "don't be like nethack" principle into writing scoring :D
10:37:28 <Heliophobic> Perl.  Eww.
10:37:59 <Heliophobic> Basically any other language.  I'd rather write the scoring server in Fortran.
10:40:47 <shmup> fond memories of perl
10:41:13 <shmup> also lol that larry decided he is ok with renaming perl6 to somethin else. recent news
10:48:48 * geekosaur liked perl6 but got tired of the wanking over the name and left until they find their butts
10:50:53 <Pinkbeast> I like Perl 5 and the existence and name of Perl 6 doesn't really seem to interfere with that now it's clear I'm never going to have to change to it (although if the Perl 4 -> 5 transition's any guide it would be pretty painless, not like the Python 2 -> 3 mess)
10:51:40 <geekosaur> 4->5 was quite minor, iirc the only major change was expansion of @var in strings
10:52:23 <geekosaur> 5->6 is major, but the "use v6;" convention allows for transparently loading a perl5 interpreter, plus there's a mechanism to allow p5 and p6 to interoperate
10:52:50 <Pinkbeast> There's some particular Perl 4 awfulness like setting $[ which could trip you up (that's finally been deprecated away and doesn't work at all IIRC)
10:53:59 <Pinkbeast> ... but if you didn't do any of that, well, I know people still running their Perl 4 scripts unaltered. I know Python's design philosophy is "whatever Perl didn't do" but really that shouldn't extend to "version transitions should be painless" :-)
10:55:43 <Heliophobic> I will admit Python 2 -> 3 not being backwards compatible was a bizarre choice.  Especially for like 2 minor things.
10:56:24 <geekosaur> $[ was a hack for a2p and probably shouldn't have been done in the first place; p5 admitted that
10:56:45 <Pinkbeast> Briefly getting back to Crawl, Sequell is a mixup of Go, Ruby, Perl, PostgreSQL thus ensuring no-one at all understands it
10:58:08 <geekosaur> yeh, I had to translate a sizeable perl 4 codebase to perl 5 and the only major issue was the @var thing in strings; the rest was gradually rewriting to use new p5 features
10:59:40 <kitchen_ace> advil: I'm in the contributors list twice, once as kitchen-ace (which can be removed) and once with my name
10:59:54 <kitchen_ace> congrats on another successful release btw!
11:01:28 <Pinkbeast> "Identification scrolls are no longer used as a potential Trove cost." oh good
11:06:48 <advil> aidanh: somewhere between 80d7c3d and 39a19ac windows console dark gray for recommended background(/species) broke, though the highlight color difference still works. (Or it might be that what was reimplemented didn't get this case, rather than it breaking per se)
11:07:52 <advil> definitely a bunch of commits that touch windows console colors in there
11:08:02 <advil> (report from tmass in ##crawl)
11:10:47 <Heliophobic> I thought it might be handy to build some Dockerfiles to build and run the codebase.  But then I remembered people would want a Windows version.
11:11:20 <Heliophobic> And I don't really have access to a Windows machine.  I guess a conference room at work.
11:15:20 <Heliophobic> I could certainly support a Linux Dockerfile though.  Non-webtiles players might appreciate it. Could help testing.
11:15:31 <Heliophobic> But Windows support is important, I guess.
11:18:24 <advil> ??docker
11:18:24 <Sequell> docker[1/2]: https://bitbucket.org/TZer0/crawl-docker - functioning prototype with external storage settings (and thus import) working.
11:18:29 <advil> might be a useful starting point
11:18:40 <advil> afaik it hasn't been updated in a long time
11:19:59 <Heliophobic> Ah, neat.
11:20:10 <advil> ??docker[2
11:20:10 <Sequell> docker[2/2]: https://bitbucket.org/mattiasjp/crawl-docker by Mattias
11:20:17 <advil> ??ansible
11:20:18 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled ansible in my learndb.
11:20:40 <advil> there's also an old ansible playbook somewhere or other
11:21:57 <geekosaur> ?/ansible
11:21:58 <Sequell> Matching entries (1): dgl[3]: ansible version in development by Mattias at https://github.com/mattias/ansible_playbook_webtiles
11:22:54 <Heliophobic> Well, maybe I can revive the Crawl Dockerfile and put it up on DockerHub after each release.
11:23:00 <geekosaur> !learn add ansible see {dgl[3]}
11:23:01 <Sequell> ansible[1/1]: see {dgl[3]}
11:23:11 <Heliophobic> Just digging around trying to find a place to be useful.   I'll go back to Mantis.
11:25:29 <Lantell> Stable (0.23) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23.1-89-g277498a001
11:46:46 <Pinkbeast> Heliophobic: I'm happy to recommend you some of my favourite bugs if you like :-)
11:52:00 <Rotatell> ohno (L11 BaFi) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(&mons)) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 1716 failed. (D (Sprint))
11:53:13 <floraline> Heliophobic: if you are going to improve the scoring daemon i would ask that you ignore the cko fork, focus on the base repo. all i did was hack it up as fast as psosible and made the code worse
11:53:13 <Sequell> floraline: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
11:53:46 <Rotatell> ohno (L11 BaFi) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(&mons)) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 1716 failed. (D (Sprint))
11:55:50 <shmup> wouldn't mind knowing the OOO for parsing crawlrs across servers, and how it effects teams. i know y'all are busy so i dont expect an answer rn
11:56:02 <shmup> but curious if someone could ever determine that order heh
11:56:11 <shmup> crawlrcs*
11:56:16 <advil> it should be listed somewhere on the tournament site
11:56:22 <shmup> ah!
11:56:31 <shmup> CAO, CBRO, CDO, CKO, CPO, CUE, CWZ, CXC, LLD
11:56:33 <shmup> thanks advil lol
11:56:42 <advil> inset box under "Clans": https://crawl.develz.org/tournament/0.24/
12:07:58 <Rotatell> bronco (L20 MiBe) ASSERT(isnormal(n)) in 'ray.cc' at line 189 failed. (Vaults:1)
12:09:55 <advil> ahh, the first ray.cc crash of the new season
12:42:58 <gammafunk> that's not a normal ray 😱
12:47:26 <advil> %git 93fddb32
12:47:26 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit 93fddb32 (git returned 128)
13:05:48 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.25-a0-57-ga0c9b72 (34)
13:22:20 <advil> &versions
13:22:52 <Sequell> CAO: 0.25-a0-57-ga0c9b72, CBRO: 0.25-a0-56-g68f8618, CDO: 0.25-a0-56-g68f8618, CKO: 0.25-a0-57-ga0c9b72eff, CPO: 0.25-a0-56-g68f8618, CUE: 0.25-a0-55-g0753fd1ad2, CWZ: 0.25-a0-41-g6cf4ce5, CXC: 0.25-a0-44-g29a1220a87, LLD: 0.25-a0-55-g0753fd1ad2
13:23:01 <advil> well that doesn't answer my question
13:23:52 <gammafunk> do you want to check 0.24 specifically?
13:24:07 <gammafunk> &versions file~~0.24
13:24:20 <advil> yeah, but I think I should just rebuild everything I can because of that dump_order bug I introduced
13:24:22 <Sequell> CAO: none, CBRO: 0.24-b1-48-gd9db55c, CDO: none, CKO: 0.24.0, CPO: 0.24.0, CUE: 0.24.0, CWZ: none, CXC: 0.24-b1-30-g840c9efd86, LLD: 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707122
13:24:42 <gammafunk> yeah probably rebuilds pre-tourney for that would be good
13:25:03 <advil> oh what's up with cao?
13:25:23 <gammafunk> not sure
13:25:28 <gammafunk> 0.24 is working..oh
13:25:34 <gammafunk> it doesn't have the period in its name
13:25:39 <gammafunk> perhaps then
13:25:42 <advil> doesn't have it in the rebuild dropdown either
13:25:43 <advil> oh hehh
13:25:50 <gammafunk> &versions cv=0.24|0.24-a
13:26:01 <Sequell> CAO: 0.24-b1-30-g840c9ef, CBRO: 0.24-b1-48-gd9db55c, CDO: 0.24-b1, CKO: 0.24.0, CPO: 0.24.0, CUE: 0.24.0, CWZ: 0.24-a0-736-g4e6fe30, CXC: 0.24-b1-30-g840c9efd86, LLD: 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707122
13:26:04 <gammafunk> by its name, I mean the file's name
13:26:08 <gammafunk> the logfile, that is
13:26:29 <gammafunk> oh, for the rebuilds? yeah I might need to update the cgi for that
13:26:32 <gammafunk> or you could, I think
13:26:34 <Kelbell> Stable (0.24) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707122
13:26:46 <advil> yeah I can try...I think it should happen automatically though?
13:27:11 <advil> ??rebuild
13:27:12 <Sequell> rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.kelbi.org/rebuild/ Bug gammafunk, advil, |amethyst, or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely.
13:27:17 <gammafunk> I think that one does have to be done manually
13:27:21 <gammafunk> it's a hard-coded list iirc
13:27:34 <gammafunk> not covered in the dgl guide, let me see
13:27:54 <advil> cxc rebuild seems to not be working
13:28:48 <gammafunk> you could ask Namanix on the discord about that
13:28:48 <gammafunk> he's in Roguelikes I think
13:28:51 <gammafunk> I can ask in a bit, too
13:38:19 <Rotatell> Stable (0.24) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707
13:43:27 <Henzell> Stable (0.24) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707
13:43:41 <Heliophobic> Gut opinion pole:   On Halloween all the rations look like candy.
13:44:49 <Heliophobic> (It's okay to downvote, you won't hurt my feeling.)
13:44:49 <Heliophobic> *feelings
13:53:24 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
14:07:13 <advil> Heliophobic that seems like a potentially fun thing to do, though there is already some halloween stuff
14:07:32 <advil> helmets turn to pumpkins
14:11:31 <Xenobreeder> Player ghosts should be roaming free on this day, heh.
14:11:31 <advil> I guess one nice thing about the candy idea is that at least in principle a cosmetic name change could also be applied in a way that console players would see
14:11:33 <advil> heh
14:11:47 <advil> tbf only very rarely has crawl done temporary stuff that actually impacts gameplay
14:12:58 <advil> and I think those always came with long-term dev regret
14:22:12 <gammafunk> &versions cv=0.24|0.24-a
14:22:12 <Sequell> CAO: 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707, CBRO: 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707, CDO: 0.24-b1, CKO: 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707122, CPO: 0.24.0, CUE: 0.24.0, CWZ: 0.24.0, CXC: 0.24-b1-30-g840c9efd86, LLD: 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707122
14:22:30 <Heliophobic> Yeah, I thought of the candy idea because my first couple ideas would impact gameplay or... whatever, affect high scores for players on that day.  So cosmetic changes seemed safe.
14:22:35 <advil> I think CDO is showing 0.24-b1 because at one point there was a trunk version with that tag
14:22:49 <advil> I didn't get to asking for a CXC rebuild
14:22:56 <gammafunk> oh
14:22:58 <Heliophobic> I was trying to think of other holidays to do as well, but nothing that was specific to a religion. Then I gave up and stuck with Halloween.
14:23:23 <gammafunk> is that the issue you had with git not pushing to the branch properly?
14:23:36 <gammafunk> I take it that it pushed to trunk instead
14:24:21 <gammafunk> hopefully that doesn't cause any major problems
14:24:41 <gammafunk> !lg * cdo vlong~24-b1 s=cv,file
14:24:42 <Sequell> Broken query near '~24-b1 s=cv,file'
14:24:49 <gammafunk> !lg * cdo vlong~~24-b1 s=cv,file
14:24:50 <Sequell> 22 games for * (cdo vlong~~24-b1): 22x 0.24-a (22x cdo/allgames-svn.txt)
14:25:29 <gammafunk> I don't think it would other than it having a higher 0.24 vlong than any other server
14:25:45 <gammafunk> well maybe this happened on other servers as well
14:26:22 <gammafunk> ??rebuild
14:26:22 <Sequell> rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.kelbi.org/rebuild/ Bug gammafunk, advil, |amethyst, or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely.
14:26:30 <Lantell> Stable (0.24) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707122
14:27:34 <advil> 0.24-b1 is technically a tag on both trunk and the branch, at the divergence point -- that is always true I think
14:27:54 <advil> %git a39c87378
14:27:54 <Cheibriados> 07ebering02 * 0.23-b1: Changelog through 0.23-a0-899-gbbae0a335a 10(9 months ago, 1 file, 29+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a39c87378c14
14:28:11 <advil> e.g. that is on both trunk and the branch as well
14:28:27 <advil> it's 0.25-a0 that's on trunk only
14:29:23 <gammafunk> well, in the past, no trunk version has ever been tagged as a beta
14:29:50 <advil> if you look in git log you'll see that all betas appear in trunk :-)
14:30:08 <gammafunk> hmmm
14:30:21 <gammafunk> I just don't recall ever seeing a trunk game get marked as beta
14:30:35 <advil> the first commit of stone_soup-0.xx is in both branches
14:30:42 <advil> it's really that commit that is tagged
14:30:52 <advil> so the tag appears in both master and the branch
14:31:42 <advil> e.g. a39c87378c14 is the last commit that is present in both master and stone_soup-0.23
14:32:52 <gammafunk> !lg * file~~git|svn vlong!= vlong~~-b1 s=cv
14:32:52 <Sequell> 2117 games for * (file~~git|svn vlong!= vlong~~-b1): 1668x 0.24-a, 449x 0.20-a
14:33:52 <gammafunk> did we avoid this by just not having that be the case?
14:33:53 <advil> oh I see what you mean
14:34:05 <gammafunk> like we made the the first branch commit not be in trunk?
14:34:08 <advil> actually, I'm now not sure why CDO is showing that version
14:34:27 <advil> %git 68f8618
14:34:27 <Cheibriados> 07advil02 * 0.25-a0-56-g68f8618: Add some missing credits 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/68f861856ed0
14:34:37 <advil> starting a new game on CDO gets that version
14:35:07 <advil> !lg * cdo cv=0.24-b1
14:35:08 <Sequell> No games for * (cdo cv=0.24-b1).
14:35:11 <advil> !lm * cdo cv=0.24-b1
14:35:12 <Sequell> No milestones for * (cdo cv=0.24-b1).
14:35:36 <advil> so my theory was not right
14:35:47 <gammafunk> if cdo trunk was at the commit tagged as beta, it would report that in its vlong, right?
14:35:59 <gammafunk> or no, we'd tag trunk with the new alpha
14:36:04 <advil> yeah it should
14:36:15 <advil> the alpha tag is one commit after the beta
14:36:21 <advil> oh
14:36:36 <advil> yeah...so if the server just happens to be updated exactly when that beta is current, it might do this
14:36:41 <gammafunk> right
14:36:52 <gammafunk> but you pushed the alpha like right after, no?
14:36:56 <gammafunk> the alpha tag I mean
14:37:04 <advil> no, because it had to wait for the next commit
14:37:06 <gammafunk> cdo is daily rebuild, so that seems odd coincidence
14:37:08 <gammafunk> ohh, yeah
14:37:19 <gammafunk> we in the past haven't waited like that, I guess
14:37:22 <advil> I had to go somewhere so someone else did it, maybe even the next day
14:37:31 <gammafunk> we just "make" a new commit
14:37:35 <gammafunk> any old update will do
14:37:47 <gammafunk> I guess that's something we should put in the guide, to avoid that situation
14:38:12 <gammafunk> so that the alpha can be pushed basically the same time as the beta
14:38:29 <advil> I'm not sure it'll cause any harm? or do you think tournament scripts will pick up those games?
14:38:44 <gammafunk> no they won't, those read from specific logfiles only
14:39:15 <gammafunk> but I guess it'd be ideal to avoid having effectively e.g. 0.25-a games tagged as the beta
14:39:20 <gammafunk> since they're not in that stable branch
14:39:51 <gammafunk> I don't know, seems like it'd be nice to me, but I suppose it's not that big of a deal in practice; it makes certain queries a bit weird
14:40:07 <gammafunk> however those queries have to do with the beta, so that's not really a big deal
14:40:19 <advil> !lg * cdo vlong=~0.24-b1 x=cv,vlong
14:40:20 <Sequell> 22. [cv=0.24-a;vlong=0.24-b1] Karagy the Protected (L11 FoFi of Zin), slain by an orc warrior (a +3 hand axe) in Bailey (bailey_polearm_5) on 2019-10-13 22:48:36, with 6712 points after 8035 turns and 0:50:10.
14:40:31 <advil> it looks like it's *only* vlong that's weird
14:40:52 <gammafunk> right, but also the fact that the games are in fact from trunk, not from the release branch
14:40:57 <gammafunk> or some are, rather
14:41:12 <gammafunk> but yeah, glad I at least understand what was happening
14:42:47 <gammafunk> Namanix says he's rebuilding CXC and will look into that rebuild script
14:42:58 <gammafunk> I just need to get someone to make a post asking hong to update 0.24 for that one bugfix
14:43:07 <gammafunk> but otherwise looks like we're all ready to go for tournament
14:54:41 <advil> does anyone use precompression on their server for morgue files?
14:54:52 <advil> I was wondering if that could help with johnstein's space issues
14:55:12 <advil> e.g. https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_deflate.html#precompressed
15:11:27 <gammafunk> advil: regarding that package issue, I think the problem is not that ubuntu was used, but that debian stable is just too recent for that person: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libsdl2
15:11:49 <gammafunk> maybe 0.23.2 used stretch?
15:12:00 <gammafunk> but current debian stable does use 2.0.9
15:12:06 <advil> yeah, I wasn't sure that they're going to be able to get the sdl version no matter what
15:12:15 <advil> the libc version looked wrong to me though
15:12:59 <advil> do you know how to check cow version?
15:13:06 <advil> I can see what I used
15:13:46 <advil> oh, debian stable changed since the last release I bet
15:14:13 <advil> buster became stable on jul 6, stretch was stable before then
15:14:16 <gammafunk> right
15:14:39 <gammafunk> I sort of made it a policy to always use debian stable, but I suppose we could be more conservative about that
15:14:52 <gammafunk> however you were saying that we need sdl2.0.7 or higher anyways?
15:15:13 <gammafunk> stretch is only 2.0.5
15:15:35 <advil> it actually builds against earlier versions, I think
15:15:46 <advil> travis is using xenial which is 2.0.4
15:15:55 <advil> I think the 2.0.7 dep might be platform-specific?
15:16:01 <gammafunk> oh
15:17:25 <gammafunk> well my creation of the COW failed just now anyways, and I won't have a lot of time to look into that today
15:17:46 <gammafunk> maybe we can do the packages relative to stretch
15:17:49 <advil> yeah, it's a build requirement more than a linking requirement, we mainly upgraded for MSYS2 issues
15:18:05 <advil> I can try building debs against my docker setup? which should be unchanged since last time I did it
15:18:07 <gammafunk> DIST=oldstable might even just work
15:18:16 <gammafunk> yeah, you certainly can
15:18:31 <gammafunk> I need to figure out what's up with the COW creation on my end
15:19:18 <gammafunk> I just wanted the security updates etc, but I guess a combination of the new stable and possibly not having those OS/DIST variables messed things up
15:19:41 <gammafunk> when creating the COW, at least; the packages were built with those set just fine
15:19:42 <advil> I will see if I can get to it while I'm still here this evening though, I have to head out in an hour or two
15:19:49 <gammafunk> no worries
15:23:20 <gammafunk> cxc has been updated to 0.24.0-1-gfbc8707122, turned out his dgamelaunch menus were broken and didn't have 0.24, so he's fixed that as well
15:23:28 <gammafunk> they always forget us console users!
15:50:45 <Xenobreeder> Hah, thought that was an issue with my provider, moved to a different server.
15:56:55 <advil> gammafunk: Monsterracer pointed out to me that the species/god formulas in the tournament instructions were out of sync with the code, which I fixed. But while checking that, I noticed that the god formula in the code might be wrong...should the constant be 52?
15:57:16 <advil> if no god is counted?
15:57:25 <advil> i.e. (25 + 1) * 2
15:57:42 <gammafunk> advil: I recall some confusion about that, and there being a reason why it should be different from the value that seems correct at first glance
15:58:17 <gammafunk> not sure if god exclusions were the reason or what
15:58:37 <gammafunk> will be out shortly after tournament start, so I can take a look later this evening if you don't have time
15:58:49 <advil> ok...I didn't change it because I don't actually understand why these constants were chosen in the first place :D
15:58:58 <advil> (just changed the index page to match what's in the code)
15:59:27 <gammafunk> heh, good idea
15:59:30 <gammafunk> !cmd tournament
15:59:30 <Sequell> Command: !tournament => .echo https://crawl.develz.org/tournament/0.23/players/$(lower $(name_fixup ${1:-.})).html
16:01:35 <gammafunk> =nemelex MfEn
16:01:37 <Sequell> Defined keyword: nchoice => nchoice-0.23
16:01:42 <gammafunk> !kw nchoice
16:01:42 <Sequell> Keyword: nchoice => nchoice-0.23
16:01:51 <advil> oh, hm, the god formula has an extra constant +3 added in which might be for no god?
16:02:03 <gammafunk> !kw nchoice char=MfEn
16:02:04 <Sequell> Defined keyword: nchoice => char=MfEn
16:02:06 <gammafunk> !nchoice
16:02:08 <Sequell> XX: 0 wins || LaularuKyrumo: CAO, L1 Sneak of No God
16:02:16 <advil> but then why isn't the starting point value 39 instead of 38
16:02:18 <gammafunk> !mcd nchoice
16:02:23 <gammafunk> !cmd nchoice
16:02:23 <Sequell> Command: !nchoice => .echo $(let (combo (if (is_int ${1:--1}) (nth (int ${1:--1}) $(split | (replace " => " | (!kw nchoice)))) $1)) (let (wins (!lg * t won char=$combo fmt:"$n" stub:"0")) (if (and (> (int $wins) 0) (= ${1:-x} x)) (=nchoice.new) (concat (canonicalise char $combo) ": $wins $(plural win (int $wins)) || " (or (=lastnchoice.combostatus $combo) "No $combo games in progress.")))))
16:02:38 <gammafunk> !kw nchoice MfEn
16:02:39 <Sequell> Defined keyword: nchoice => MfEn
16:02:42 <gammafunk> !nchoice
16:02:44 <Sequell> MfEn: 0 wins || LaularuKyrumo: CAO, L1 Sneak of No God
16:02:47 <gammafunk> there we go
16:02:58 <advil> oh
16:03:37 <advil> maybe there's a paren error? (3*(50+total)+3+2*subtotal)/(4+2*subtotal) => (3*(50+total+3)+2*subtotal)/(4+2*subtotal)
16:03:43 <advil> (this is later divided by 2 I think
16:03:44 <advil> )
16:04:28 <advil> although maybe that 3 is for rounding
16:04:29 <advil> idk
16:06:10 <advil> I would definitely need to understand why these formulas are the way they are to edit them
16:06:33 <amalloy> that's never stopped us before
16:07:38 <amalloy> this reminds me of a funny thing i overheard a while ago. "We shouldn't offer a physically impossible SLA to [internal customer]." "Why stop now?"
16:07:53 <gammafunk> yeah, I recall confusion over this in the past
16:12:47 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
16:13:17 <advil> tldr I do think that maybe should be 52 to account for "no god", which would then give 39 instead of 38 as the starting score for all gods, but I'm not confident enough right now to make the change
16:19:12 <advil> cao scoring now has 0.24
16:19:37 <gammafunk> great
16:19:55 <advil> also, I have disabled milestones for CAO scoring, for reasons discussed yesterday...still thinking about ways of bringing back some simpler version of those features
16:21:08 <advil> with milestone reading off I might need to do some more tweaking about how often player pages update, we'll see
16:21:47 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.25-a0-58-g9dd530f: Add a trunk reminder for the 0.24 tournament 10(35 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9dd530fc128f
16:22:33 <gammafunk> mintice was able to contact hong and get that comma bug fixed on cwz as well
16:22:41 <advil> ah nice
16:26:02 <gammafunk> all 0.24 versions are likewise in sequell (and the tournament scripts, of course), so I think we're all covered there
16:28:08 <Bcadren> Is there like a repo of saved tournament scripts or a toggle on/off for having them run? (I mean similar ones are used repeatedly, etc.)
16:29:52 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
16:44:38 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22.1-184-g8b776dd012
16:45:11 <hong> hello
16:47:11 <hong> These days, tournaments don't have a Yes No option at the start of the game?
16:48:44 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.25-a0-58-g9dd530fc12 (34)
16:49:23 <gammafunk> hong: hi! Not sure what you mean by that
16:50:14 <gammafunk> hong: I have to step out, but will be back some hours from now; maybe advil can answer your question
16:51:26 <advil> hong: for 0.25 games there's a warning about starting a new game because of the tournament, maybe that's what you mean? gammafunk only just pushed that commit so it might not be showing up in 0.25 games yet
16:51:51 <advil> if you rebuild 0.25, games will get it
16:52:33 <hong> Is it correct to display in the 0.25 (trunk) version instead of 0.24?
16:55:39 <advil> trunk is supposed to have a warning: "Trunk games don't count for the tournament ... Play trunk anyway? (Y/N)"...is that what you're asking about?
16:55:54 <advil> 0.24 games automatically count for the tournament so there is no Y/N there
16:56:55 <hong> I think I was mistaken. Thank you for confirming
16:58:07 <advil> ok, hope I answered your question :-)
17:02:01 <hong> Yes it was helpful enough. thank you.
17:02:41 <advil> no problem
18:13:07 <floraline> congrats on the release
18:13:08 <Sequell> floraline: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
18:25:54 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.25-a0-58-g9dd530fc12 (34)
18:54:00 <alexjurkiewicz> advil: ok you're back on the nice list
18:54:57 <alexjurkiewicz> hm is there going to be a .1 release with the above morgue fix?
19:50:52 <sdl> crawl-tiles won't install on ubuntu 18.04
19:51:03 <sdl> crawl-tiles : Depends: libsdl2-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.9) but 2.0.8+dfsg1-1ubuntu1.18.04.4 is to be installed
19:53:28 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
22:34:46 <advil> yes, the debs are slightly messed up
22:35:00 <advil> though anything built against debian stable right now will need sdl2 2.0.9
22:35:14 <advil> I have not yet had a chance to try to rebuild them against old stable
22:35:42 <advil> well do that tmw morning est
22:37:02 <advil> *will