00:00:41 <alexjurkiewicz> guessing the commentary is along the lines of "the game is allowed to place tough monsters"
00:01:18 <pureman> Yeah, I'm not expecting this to be accepted if any commentary is required
01:47:06 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
03:11:47 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.24-a0-789-g35933f4 (34)
03:30:54 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-2546-g4f4c8e4270
03:31:45 <Kelbell> Fork (stoatsoup) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22-s0-12-gc9a4d5c76a
04:36:03 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
06:33:34 -!- bh is now known as Guest47185
07:44:56 -!- bh is now known as Guest28568
08:13:47 <aidanh> shalmezad: perhaps a separate header file for i18n would be best
08:14:48 <Cheibriados> 03Byrel Mitchell02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1176 * 0.24-a0-791-g8553a8d: Fixed unbrace CI test 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8553a8d52ccd
08:22:56 <aidanh> yeah, libutil.h is a dumping ground at the moment
08:28:00 <shalmezad> Alright, easy enough to move it to it's own header. Any other suggestions before I start ripping strings apart?
08:30:56 <Cheibriados> 03Byrel Mitchell02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1176 * 0.24-a0-790-g473e3bd: Adjust OTR to be more turn length invariant. 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/473e3bdacd0b
08:34:22 <aidanh> not particularly
08:35:22 <aidanh> while the grammar problem is pretty well-known, translation will probably expose issues with the underlying text and render systems
08:35:27 <aidanh> but that's definitely a good thing
08:37:09 <aidanh> shalmezad: also in case you're not aware, there's some multilingual stuff in dat/descript/ and various exciting fake languages (see lang-fake.cc)
08:37:54 <shalmezad> Yep, already saw those. First attempt was using a file in there.
08:40:31 <advil> I guess I would recommend digging through logs to try to understand why the last translation effort failed
08:40:39 <advil> because fail it did, and it was extremely high-effort
08:41:04 <advil> and led by a core dev (at the time) who is a native speaker of a non-English language
08:41:20 <advil> at least that's my understanding, I wasn't around
08:47:37 <aidanh> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11868#p167441
08:47:59 <aidanh> while I can't find much on IRC, the translated material was deleted by mistake and seemingly never recovered
08:48:23 <shalmezad> Yeah, did see a link to the transifex stuff in the docs that resulted in a 404
08:50:06 <shalmezad> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/develop/translation.txt#L4
08:51:44 <aidanh> I think using gettext is a worthwhile contribution and relatively low-risk, but bear in mind we're eventually going to run into runtime-constructed strings
08:53:01 <shalmezad> Yeah, already ran into a small bit of those with the first attempt for the quick load stuff (dummy, a level 1 Hill Orc Berserker of Trog for example)
08:55:15 <aidanh> that's the easy case
08:55:51 <aidanh> I was thinking more like descriptions of what just stepped into view, or anything using DESC_foo to modify (english) grammar
08:56:20 <aidanh> there's currently around 1300 uses of DESC_*
09:18:38 <aidanh> shalmezad: also, see https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:interface:translation:implementation and search for "parametrized message"
09:19:33 <aidanh> if I understand correctly, the idea here is to have something like mprf(_(“$ARTICLE(definite, %1) %1 reflects ...")), and then the .po file lists the corresponding translated markup string
09:21:07 <aidanh> mprf() then presumaby runs this through something that takes the monster/item pointers and uses language-specific routines to parse and render ARTICLE/VERB/GENDER blocks
09:32:34 <pblur> Hey, I just had a thought on that OTR turn-length invariance PR I added last night.
09:33:27 <pblur> So, currently what it does is replace a coinflip() chance of additional poison stacks per turn with 1d20 <= turn-length, which has the same expected value for any turn length <= 20
09:34:01 <pblur> At the time, I figure that was good enough, but I just realized it kinda shafts chei nagas.
09:34:34 <pblur> Do you think it's worth making it a bit more complicated so that it can add multiple stacks on really long turns?
09:51:08 <ebering> yes, I do
09:51:48 <pblur> OK, I'll do that then
09:58:57 <ebering> advil: re release I have nothing else planned for completion
10:01:02 <ebering> pblur: I suppose you've already worked out a formula but if not: q = turn-length / base delay, stacks = qd2 + (1d20 <= turn-length % base delay)
10:06:03 <pblur> That's close to what I was thinking, but I think qd2 is 50% too high an expected value. I was thinking q = turn-length / base delay, stacks = q + (1d20 <= turn-length % base delay)
10:06:10 <pblur> With base delay = 20
10:06:46 <pblur> If I'm mathing right, that should maintain the expected value of 0.05 poison stacks per aut.
10:12:26 <ebering> Erm, you're right, it should be q coinflips
10:12:49 <ebering> (qd2 - q) + (1d20 <= turn-length % base delay)
10:13:18 <ebering> if you guarantee q stacks for the turns longer than base you'll match the expected value but give slow movers lower variance
10:13:22 <pblur> Gotcha
10:14:42 <pblur> So, for turn-length of 20 this simplifies to 1d2-1, which is an expected value of 0.5 (instead of 1.) So I think it should be qd3 - q?
10:15:16 <ebering> oh, I guess I misunderstood the current chance
10:15:29 <pblur> Current chance is 50% per turn.
10:15:44 <ebering> Base delay is 10
10:15:49 <pblur> I was normalizing to 10-aut turns, so 0.05 stacks/aut.
10:15:52 <ebering> oh yah
10:16:16 <pblur> qd3-q sound right?
10:16:26 <ebering> for a turn-length of 20 this simplifies to 2d2-2 which has an expected value of 1
10:17:09 <ebering> and a turn length of 10 it simplifies to 1d2-1 as it should
10:17:45 <pblur> Oh, you're doing base delay of 10, I see
10:17:52 <pblur> Sorry, missed that.
10:18:11 <ebering> yeah, base delay is a constant in crawlcode
10:18:40 <ebering> allcaps BASE_DELAY is the conversion between auts and "standard turns"
10:18:41 <pblur> Gotcha. I should use that here then
10:18:45 <ebering> yes
10:19:11 <pblur> Yeah, thx for talking me through this equation. Makes sense.
10:20:38 <pblur> Should that be BASELINE_DELAY?
10:20:44 <ebering> yes
10:20:47 <pblur> kk
10:20:55 <ebering> it's early, remembering crawlcode constants on the train is hard
10:21:01 <pblur> np. :D
10:34:33 <Cheibriados> 03Byrel Mitchell02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1176 * 0.24-a0-790-gf6fda1d: Adjust OTR to be more turn length invariant. 10(4 minutes ago, 3 files, 12+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f6fda1df3e16
10:46:18 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-790-g2df86a5: Add widget visibility 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 33+ 47-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2df86a587e0e
10:46:18 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-791-g5029d81: Add ui::Size helper class 10(2 days ago, 14 files, 73+ 47-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5029d81fa438
10:46:18 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-792-gaeaa904: Add ui::Margin helper class 10(2 days ago, 16 files, 147+ 136-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aeaa904cbbda
10:46:18 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-793-g87254cb: Add ui::Region helper class 10(2 days ago, 8 files, 240+ 217-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/87254cb62dff
10:46:18 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-794-g9d7ac8f: Clean up headers 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 8+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9d7ac8f86203
10:46:18 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-795-gcb68440: Remove use of ui::i2 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 23+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cb6844083c62
10:46:18 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-796-g1ec443c: Remove ui::vec utility array 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ec443c8e56f
10:46:18 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-797-gd9e12f6: Make RestartAllocation private to ui.cc 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 11+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d9e12f686b69
10:46:18 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-798-gc303d00: Improve Box widget alignment property names 10(2 days ago, 12 files, 37+ 38-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c303d0022931
10:46:18 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-799-g83d332e: Make ui::Box member private 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/83d332edcdc2
10:46:18 <Cheibriados> ... and 4 more commits
11:03:54 <pblur> I threw together an anydice to visualize number of stacks added. I'm not sure it's at all useful TBH, but it's fun to play with: https://anydice.com/program/180a5
11:15:22 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-803-gfe114aac19 (34)
11:23:59 <Cheibriados> 03Byrel Mitchell02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1176 * 0.24-a0-790-g4bcc671: Adjust OTR to be more turn length invariant. 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 12+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4bcc6710dfbc
11:24:12 <Lantell> Stable (0.23) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23.1-89-g277498a001
11:47:11 <gammafunk> aidanh: did you plan to merge that pre-feature-freeze?
11:47:29 <gammafunk> I noticed that we didn't branch yesterday :)
11:47:35 <gammafunk> which is fine, as I was a bit too busy to do it
11:47:46 <ebering> I had asked earlier and he said yes so
11:47:52 <ebering> probably all for the best
11:49:56 <advil> I think that was just a merge
11:50:04 <advil> I don't see a branch name at least
11:50:18 <gammafunk> yeah I'd lost track of what all UI branches he had going
11:51:25 <aidanh> yep I did, that one is mostly quick API changes with no user-facing changes
11:52:06 <ebering> floraline: this includes a cko specific report https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/dfymz1/warning_about_user_qwertyu/
11:52:19 <ebering> but at times like this I wish we had a mailing list for server operators
11:53:03 <advil> indeed ;-)
11:53:16 <ebering> do we now?
11:53:30 <advil> no, because it didn't sound like any server operators actually wanted it
11:53:35 <Pinkbeast> learn add console_reasons <this> :-)
11:54:15 <pblur> Someone reported that in the r/roguelikes discord and hour or two ago, and said they were going to email floraline.
11:59:11 <advil> sso 2020
12:00:38 <pblur> Looks like the OP in that thread was playing on CAO, but I don't see a handy contact address anywhere on there.
12:01:00 <pblur> Does anyone know how to contact rax?
12:03:06 <gammafunk> We could always set up the list and let people use it if they like, but that probably doesn't solve any real issues
12:03:21 <gammafunk> the people who would use it probably are the set of people who are easier to get in touch with
12:03:25 <ebering> We try to avoid pinging them but this is the kind of situation that we do a r'ax ping for so
12:03:51 <advil> contact r.ax via email
12:04:03 <pblur> ??rax
12:04:04 <Sequell> rax[1/3]: Barracks, cmon, do I have to tell you guys everything?
12:04:05 <gammafunk> alex wasn't receptive to the idea, and I'm not sure we heard from anyone else
12:04:14 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-804-gbc6939d: Fix minimap stretching on local tiles 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bc6939d5a147
12:05:18 <advil> ??rax[2
12:05:19 <Sequell> rax[2/3]: don't !tell; just email rachel at akrasiac dot org
12:07:40 <pblur> OK, I emailed her
12:08:18 <floraline> i've blocked the user in question, but there's only so much i can do to stop things like this from happening
12:08:42 <floraline> i have tor blocked altogether, but any VPN will allow someone to come back again and again which is what happened with the dos attacks
12:09:53 <floraline> i will try to see about blocking free VPN services but that's probably futile in the end
12:09:53 <pblur> Is it possible to do an IP-range ban on the IPs of the VPN they're using?
12:10:08 <pblur> OK
12:10:08 <floraline> that was the next thing i was going to try if i saw this again
12:10:25 <floraline> the last user did seem to be coming from a particular range of IPs but i wasn't sure how to handle that properly at the time
12:10:57 <Pinkbeast> How often do URLs legitimately turn up in Webtiles chat?
12:11:21 <gammafunk> very often
12:11:26 <gammafunk> if you're chatting regularly in webtiles
12:11:38 <gammafunk> we added that linking feature specifically because it was requested so much
12:12:04 <Pinkbeast> Bother.
12:12:56 <pblur> Could you ban links from people who didn't have at least (say) 10 hours of play as determined by an lg query?
12:13:06 <shalmezad> Alright, what about restricting URLs in webtiles chat to a limited whitelist? Like the wiki, forum, reddit, imgur, etc.
12:13:41 <Pinkbeast> pblur: Hey, that's pretty good
12:14:34 <pblur> Eh, '4chan' is a big tell. No need to incentivise them to use innocuous-looking URLs to work around a whitelist.
12:14:46 <pblur> You can imgur almost anything you want for a while, for instance.
12:15:16 <floraline> are chat logs saved to disk anywhere?
12:16:10 <gammafunk> shalmezad: we don't really want to put that much effort into developing chat in general, I think
12:16:22 <gammafunk> or at least it's probably better to put energy into giving people better server tools
12:16:56 <gammafunk> we considered removing webtiles chat some time ago when all this trolling started to build up a few years ago
12:17:00 <gammafunk> but it's a popular feature
12:17:41 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-804-gbc6939d5a1 (34)
12:22:56 <floraline> is there a command for a player to mute another player?
12:24:22 <pblur> I believe so, yes. I've never done it personally though so I don't know the details.
12:25:39 <Cheibriados> 'X' blanks screen 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12090 by andrew
12:26:35 <gammafunk> ruh roh
12:27:09 <gammafunk> aidanh: possible result of your recent changes in 12090
12:27:16 <aidanh> !bug 12090
12:27:17 <Sequell> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12090
12:27:52 <aidanh> oh duh, that one
12:28:01 <aidanh> that X screen always gets me
12:29:58 <gammafunk> !flip X
12:29:59 <Sequell> (╯°□°)╯︵ X
12:30:12 <gammafunk> oh wow that renderes really badly in my terminal now
12:34:14 <floraline> without a way to look at chat logs, there's not much i can do about this type of harassment proactively
12:35:01 <floraline> i mean even with chat logs i could only react
12:40:48 <aidanh> it looks like they don't get logged at all
12:49:47 <advil> they don't get logged unless the player has something set
12:50:52 <floraline> idk if that's a small project or not, but it would be very helpful
12:51:20 <floraline> my only option now is to wait until someone makes a report
12:51:50 <advil> I think that for your own sanity trying to deal with things like this in advance of reports may be a bad idea
12:52:20 <advil> having some kind of rotating log might be useful though, it also would be nice to have a way for someone to click a report button in chat
12:52:23 <floraline> yeah, that's true. i'm just really thinking about the few minutes after i block the problem user
12:52:53 <floraline> they can easily change IP and get back in
12:53:23 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-805-g410b6b9: Revert "Remove UI_CRT and other UI gunk" 10(5 minutes ago, 7 files, 33+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/410b6b9510f4
12:53:51 <aidanh> thanks for the heads up gammafunk
12:54:06 <gammafunk> np
12:54:22 <gammafunk> I for one am grateful for the return of gunk
12:54:30 <floraline> i guess that's just the nature of this harassment, it frustrates me that there is nothing to stop it from happening in the first place
12:55:10 <Pinkbeast> I think pblur's idea of blocking chat unless one has n hours playtime is not devoid of merit?
12:55:58 <floraline> i don't know, that doesn't sound like a trivial amount of dev time and newbies deserve chat too
12:56:09 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
12:56:11 <floraline> maybe just blocking links, but there's still the dev effort
12:57:06 <ebering> also, links from the learndb bots and links to dumps are valued and useful
12:58:23 <aidanh> amalloy: do you have a moment?
12:58:29 <Pinkbeast> Some combination of them; can't post non-whitelisted URLs into other people's webtiles chat without n hours playtime? # I appreciate this is nontrivial to implement but it seems like right now mole-whacking is also taking up time
13:03:00 <floraline> what if we just have a message posted in chat when you start playing, something like be careful clicking on links from people you don't trust
13:03:16 <floraline> like how on steam it always says don't tell anyone your password when you open a chat window
13:03:29 <amalloy> what's up, aidanh?
13:03:47 <Pinkbeast> Or non-whitelisted links could make you do a little dance to open them, like how Discord tells you "links are spoopy" and makes me want to set fire to whoever dreamed up that expression
13:06:12 <shalmezad> Huh, it's just a python managed websocket.... so could either filter in ws_handler.py post_chat_message, or process_handler.py in handle_chat_message (right after the self.muted check). If there's a good python regex for detecting URLs.....
13:07:51 <ebering> urls are automatically turned into clickable links, I don't know if that happens in python or in the javascript side
13:07:52 <shalmezad> Or there's a pip library for that: https://pypi.org/project/urlextract/
13:08:01 <ebering> but the ui already detects them
13:08:53 <Pinkbeast> Also not to be Capt Obvious but while blacklisting might turn into whack-a-mole there is some low-hanging fruit
13:09:48 <gammafunk> the urls are linkified on the client side
13:09:58 <gammafunk> but I don't understand what we're trying to do
13:10:04 <gammafunk> prevent people from making links?
13:10:09 <gammafunk> that seems undesireable
13:10:19 <ebering> Have a pop-up for links that go someplace other than the host server
13:10:29 <gammafunk> ah, yeah, that's probably best done in the client then
13:10:40 <gammafunk> well, obviously it must have client-side support
13:10:48 <gammafunk> but i don't think you do any detection at all in the server
13:11:19 <ebering> yeah I'm not familiar with the code-path but putting this into the ui seems like a reasonably uncomplicated project that would mitigate the worst of this problem
13:12:12 <shalmezad> yeah, if you go client side route (popup on external), there's numerous JS examples as it's a common pattern
13:12:31 <gammafunk> !source chat.js:28
13:12:32 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/webserver/static/scripts/chat.js#L28
13:12:36 <gammafunk> !source linkify.js
13:12:37 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/webserver/static/scripts/linkify.js
13:12:44 <gammafunk> those are the relevant things for making links
13:13:07 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-805-g410b6b9510 (34)
13:13:48 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.24-a0-805-g410b6b9 (34)
13:23:38 <shalmezad> My jquery's a little rusty, but something like: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/compare/master...Shalmezad:patch-2 ?
13:25:55 <advil> I guess I'm not entirely sure that adding a roadblock for clicking links helps?
13:26:02 <advil> at least part of the problem in this case is that one of the accounts was named "Yermek"
13:26:52 <advil> also, after hitting the roadblock once ever it loses it's impact
13:27:06 <aidanh> roadblock only links for new players?
13:27:37 <aidanh> i.e. links sent from accounts with <10 gameplay hours, etc
13:35:22 <Kelbell> Noko (L11 MuIE) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (Lair:1)
13:35:32 <ebering> woah
13:35:36 <amalloy> i'm not sure i've seen that before
13:35:37 <ebering> !crashlog
13:35:59 <Sequell> 21222. miscthings, XL15 CeHu, T:30288 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/miscthings/crash-miscthings-20191009-100857.txt
13:36:18 <Cheibriados> 03Nikolai Lavsky02 {ebering} 07* 0.24-a0-806-g5730307: Indicate damage done by Ignite Poison 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5730307ebe2f
13:36:35 <advil> !crashlog Noko
13:36:35 <Sequell> No milestones for Noko (crash).
13:40:12 <rax> advil and gammafunk : in theory you should now have login access with SSH keys to CAO, sorry it took forever
13:40:12 <Sequell> rax: You have 49 messages. Use !messages to read them.
13:40:17 <rax> please try so i can figure out what i did wrong
13:40:27 <gammafunk> rax: thanks! will try right now
13:40:37 <advil> rax: thanks!!! will try it in ~15 minutes or so
13:40:52 <gammafunk> rax: I was able to log in just now
13:41:03 <rax> cool
13:41:10 <rax> maybe i didn't fuck it up that is also in the possibility space
13:41:26 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-807-g36a6468: Don't scale when rendering lines (Goratrix, 12085) 10(72 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/36a6468e2f62
13:41:42 <rax> you should also have sudo powers pls don't break it thx <3
13:42:05 <gammafunk> rax: sudo seems to work, and will do. Thanks so much!
13:42:41 <pblur> Is there any way to request Travis to retry CI checks on a pull request? One of them failed on my OTR PR, but judging by the output it was a network glitch on the CI server.
13:43:27 <aidanh> you probably need commit access for that
13:43:51 <ebering> pblur: we just ignore those when travis fails
13:43:56 <pblur> Should I just force push the same commit?
13:43:58 <pblur> Ah, OK
13:44:22 <ebering> but I just added a comment
13:44:35 <ebering> oh cool, I can commit the change myself from the gh ui
13:45:39 <ebering> but theres no rebase and squash option :<
13:47:35 <aidanh> a rebase and squash would be a game changer
13:47:46 <aidanh> well, I guess this is crawl, so all commits are game changers, but still
13:47:47 <amalloy> ebering: you can squash when you accept the PR, but you can't squash it into the existing commit while leaving the PR open
13:47:56 <Kelbell> antifun (L20 HaSk) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (Abyss:3)
13:48:06 <gammafunk> !crashlog antifun
13:48:06 <Sequell> No milestones for antifun (crash).
13:48:11 <gammafunk> let's see
13:48:11 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-807-g36a6468e2f (34)
13:48:14 <gammafunk> probably still in there
13:48:22 <gammafunk> !log antifun
13:48:23 <Sequell> 389. antifun, XL8 GnWr, T:7254: https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/antifun/morgue-antifun-20191009-202546.txt
13:48:37 <ebering> amalloy: but I can't squash and rebase to accept; only merge, rebase, or squash+merge are accept options
13:48:40 <gammafunk> https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/antifun/crash-antifun-20191010-174743.txt
13:49:06 <amalloy> "squash+merge" is a rebase
13:49:10 <gammafunk> aidanh: seems a UI-related crash when evoking an item
13:49:11 <pblur> I can make that change and force push if it would help?
13:49:17 <aidanh> oh god not another one
13:49:35 <Kelbell> antifun (L20 HaSk) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (Abyss:3)
13:49:46 <amalloy> i think it is, anyway
13:49:46 <gammafunk> antifun indeed
13:50:03 <ebering> pblur: oh, I don't have permissions to commit to your PR, so yes it would help if you make that change and force push
13:50:09 <pblur> kk
13:51:05 <pblur> Oh, quick thought. Maybe I should do:
13:51:13 <pblur> div_rand_round(roll_dice(1, 1 + pow / 20) * mult, 10)
13:51:33 <pblur> That would retain a bit more precision prior to randrounding?
13:51:56 <pblur> Probably doesn't matter much
13:52:05 <ebering> hm.......
13:52:27 <ebering> lemme  think for a sec
13:54:37 <pblur> Test case: 9 aut turn, pow = 20.
13:55:41 <pblur> IDK I didn't mean to send that yet, sorry. Was just typing out to help me think.
14:03:45 <gammafunk> I wonder how many doys there ultimately are
14:07:18 <aidanh> oh, nice, that crash is caused by re-evoking something with `
14:12:06 <ebering> pblur: no, we don't want that div_rand_round order; we want to be doing the damage 1dN per 10 auts. because of how the remainders fall in 1dN * aut the div_rand_round alternative you propose gives a slightly higher expectation
14:12:11 <ebering> and a non-uniform damage distribution
14:12:51 <ebering> at power 100 the expected damage per 10 auts is 3.5; so we want the distribution to have an expected damage after 7 auts of 2.45 (by linearity of expectation)
14:13:08 <ebering> the suggestion I gave has the correct expectation
14:14:35 <pblur> OK
14:16:41 <pblur> I just finished throwing together an anydice for it. I'm surprised at the normal-ish distribution of doing divrandround last.
14:16:59 <pblur> My instincts weren't working right here
14:17:13 <pblur> https://anydice.com/program/180b3
14:17:20 <pblur> If you're interested in looking at the graphs
14:17:22 <ebering> probability is tricky
14:17:24 <pblur> I'll get this commited
14:17:28 <Henzell> Rayonic (L10 GnWr) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:8)
14:19:23 <ebering> div_rand_round with a dice roll is especially wierd, because the division probabilities are determined by the remainder mod the divisor
14:19:46 <ebering> doing 1dM * mult you get different distributions as mult changes
14:23:14 <pblur> OK, it's pushed up
14:23:49 <Henzell> Rayonic (L10 GnWr) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:8)
14:24:08 <advil> !crashlog
14:24:10 <Sequell> 21227. Rayonic, XL10 GnWr, T:8616 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Rayonic/crash-Rayonic-20191010-182349.txt
14:24:28 <Cheibriados> 03Byrel Mitchell02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1176 * 0.24-a0-790-g924d247: Adjust OTR to be more turn length invariant. 10(6 minutes ago, 3 files, 12+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/924d2477bb4d
14:24:41 <advil> hm this is ui-related
14:25:09 <advil> inventory when throwing
14:25:27 <Henzell> Nublar (L9 FoFi) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:6)
14:26:36 <advil> !crashlog
14:26:37 <Sequell> 21228. Nublar, XL9 FoFi, T:6017 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Nublar/crash-Nublar-20191010-182527.txt
14:26:47 <Henzell> Rayonic (L10 GnWr) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:8)
14:28:27 <pblur> !crashlog
14:28:28 <Sequell> 21229. Rayonic, XL10 GnWr, T:8745 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Rayonic/crash-Rayonic-20191010-182646.txt
14:29:10 <aidanh> yeah, the menu UI isn't laid out properly when the command is repeated
14:29:41 <Cheibriados> 03Byrel Mitchell02 {ebering} 07* 0.24-a0-808-gddf7d93: Adjust OTR to be more turn length invariant. 10(12 minutes ago, 3 files, 12+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ddf7d93d986e
14:30:32 <Henzell> Rayonic (L10 GnWr) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:8)
14:31:32 <Henzell> adviltest (L3 HOFi) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:1)
14:31:37 <advil> oh yep
14:31:38 <advil> that's it
14:31:45 <Henzell> Nublar (L9 FoFi) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:8)
14:32:45 <Henzell> riowarren (L11 SpEn) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:11)
14:33:03 <advil> rax: login works, thanks again!
14:33:20 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-808-gddf7d93d98 (34)
14:40:01 <Henzell> TwoFingerEyeJab (L8 GnTm) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:5)
14:41:20 <Henzell> TwoFingerEyeJab (L8 GnTm) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:5)
14:44:44 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.24-a0-809-g71cb82d: Fix crash when repeating menu evocations (gammafunk) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/71cb82dfb872
14:46:58 <Kelbell> beargit (L9 TeWz) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:8)
14:48:09 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-809-g71cb82dfb8 (34)
14:48:20 <Henzell> TwoFingerEyeJab (L9 GnTm) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:6)
14:48:27 <advil> maybe worth rebuilding CAO
14:49:13 <advil> what was the state of CXC milestones? Did anyone recover them?
14:49:27 <aidanh> I don't have rebuild access unfortuntely
14:49:33 <advil> ok I will do it
14:49:37 <aidanh> thanks
14:54:42 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.24-a0-809-g71cb82d (34)
14:57:35 <gammafunk> advil: supposedly someone was going to take over the cxc domain on a new server
14:57:49 <gammafunk> but they've been away recently
14:58:01 <gammafunk> I can give you urls from shalott.org (sequell's server) that have latest cxc
14:58:12 <Kelbell> beargit (L10 TeWz) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (Lair:1)
15:00:27 <Pinkbeast> Do we know if they're coming back? We've got all the morgues/saves/rcfiles up (no milestones/logfile alas) but I don't really want to advertise it if CXC's going to come back to life next week
15:01:03 <Henzell> aGrue8u (L7 DEFE) Crash caused by signal #8: Floating point exception (D:6)
15:01:23 <advil> message on http://crawl.xtahua.com/ doesn't say anything about it
15:03:57 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/1177 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1177
15:03:57 <Cheibriados> 03Byrel Mitchell02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1177 * 0.24-a0-810-g188ac02: Fixed bug in OTR variance reduction commit. Now impossible to extend duration by breadswinging. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/188ac027122a
15:09:20 <Cheibriados> 03Byrel Mitchell02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1177 * 0.24-a0-810-ge84b2c2: Fixed bug in OTR variance reduction commit. Now impossible to extend duration by breadswinging. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e84b2c28356f
15:09:33 <gammafunk> yes, said person has been in communication with Medar, zykp, and myself
15:09:35 <gammafunk> but it's been 4 days since I've heard from them further
15:17:07 <advil> well, I have restarted scoresd.py and it is doing things, not sure how long it takes for that to have an effect or if there is something else I need to restart
15:18:11 <gammafunk> I think it's that there are so many weeks of scores to go through
15:18:24 <gammafunk> also don't know if there's a log you can check to see what it's doing
15:18:30 <advil> so far the recent games page is unchanged
15:18:31 <gammafunk> like there is for the tournament pages
15:18:34 <advil> there's a log
15:18:43 <gammafunk> yeah, I think it reprocesses then does all that in a single pass
15:18:43 <advil> also, it appears to have crashed when cxc did, not sure why
15:18:46 <gammafunk> so you have to wait
15:19:01 <advil> it is saying things like "2019-10-10 12:18:42,753 [INFO] Processed 357000 lines"
15:19:06 <gammafunk> that's good
15:19:17 <gammafunk> yeah, sounds like it works similar to the tournament pages
15:19:22 <advil> another run in the logfile went up to 12 million so it has some ways to go
15:19:33 <gammafunk> it make take quite a long time, yeah
15:20:36 <advil> I haven't yet updated the cxc links, do you think I should stop it before doing that? or maybe will need to restart it once I do?
15:21:02 <gammafunk> right, I'm not sure how it will respond to broken links
15:21:39 <gammafunk> I suppose it'd be smartest to update those to the shalott.org ones for now?
15:22:38 <advil> at the wget phase it just printed warnings (there's all sorts of older dead links as well)
15:23:18 <advil> it's possible I'd need to reset things to handle that these are the same milestones at a different location?
15:25:57 <gammafunk> hrm, right, you're not rebuilding the db from scratch
15:26:08 <gammafunk> perhaps it's wisest to just leave cxc off until we want to rebuild the db then
15:26:23 <gammafunk> since you're not missing any games from cxc, as it went down at the same time
15:26:27 <gammafunk> or if you are, it's very few
15:26:49 <gammafunk> we really do need to rebuild the db as there's all sorts of duplicated games from various issues with cjr
15:27:05 <gammafunk> but that takes a long time to run, and we should probably understand the setup a bit more before we do that
15:35:52 <advil> yeah, now that I have access and can see what's not in the repo, it'll be a bit easier to set up a duplicate test version somewhere else
17:21:37 <advil> 1944655 since july
17:21:45 <advil> *new lines
17:22:04 <advil> man this thing needs to cache some stuff
17:22:37 <advil> it updates every single player page in its db when it pulls in new logs?
17:23:54 <Pinkbeast> advil: Not IME
17:24:26 <advil> well, it is right now
17:24:30 <advil> maybe it's because the daemon got restarted or something
17:25:06 <Pinkbeast> Any time it starts it basically does the whole biz from scratch, reads every line, regenerates every page.
17:25:18 <advil> I don't think it read every line
17:26:04 <advil> that's days of time...but yes, it seems to be regenerating everything
17:34:39 <Pinkbeast> I think you're right in general but there's some particular failure mode that leaves it rereading every line (eg we've had it processing all the Gooncrawl lines more than once) but IDK what that is, how to avoid it, anything useful really
17:49:43 <advil> man the folder with the player html files is 8.3G
18:12:27 <Cheibriados> 03Byrel Mitchell02 {ebering} 07* 0.24-a0-810-gb7a8766: Fixed bug in OTR variance reduction commit 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b7a8766ae532
18:18:06 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-810-gb7a8766ae5 (34)
18:22:36 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.24-a0-809-g71cb82dfb8 (34)
18:57:15 <Cheibriados> 03Umer Shaikh02 {ebering} 07* 0.24-a0-811-gb57a41d: Allow wielding and wearing from the floor 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 283+ 99-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b57a41df76e4
18:57:15 <Cheibriados> 03Umer Shaikh02 {ebering} 07* 0.24-a0-812-ga050431: Allow putting on jewellery from the floor 10(4 weeks ago, 4 files, 64+ 51-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a05043180694
19:04:01 <floraline> it only updates pages that have to be updated
19:04:33 <Pinkbeast> ... except when restarted, shurely?
19:04:46 <floraline> there is some mechanism that tracks how 'dirty' each page is, and after sufficient time or dirty level it will update that page
19:04:57 <Pinkbeast> scoring.log here has many instances of every player page being rewritten at once
19:05:17 <floraline> actually yes it does do everyone on restart
19:05:24 <floraline> i think
19:13:38 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-812-ga050431806 (34)
20:05:02 <alexjurkiewicz> @??holy swine
20:05:02 <Gretell> holy swine (08h) | Spd: 14 | HD: 11 | HP: 46-70 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 2008(holy) | 08holy, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy+++ | XP: 832 | Sz: small | Int: animal.
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