00:09:06 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.24-a0-57-gac335f2 (34)
00:10:40 <Eksell> Stable (0.23) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.23-b1-58-ge3fafae
00:12:35 <Eksell> Stable (0.22) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.22.1-7-g5c428e7
00:17:43 <aidanh> gammafunk: thats the newgame-menus branch, yeah?
00:17:53 <aidanh> it crashes on windows console, but should be fine on everything else
00:18:35 <gammafunk> aidanh: yeah, I haven't looked at the branch at all, was just trying to recall what you said about it
00:18:35 <aidanh> although I don't believe I've tested it on win tiles
00:18:59 <gammafunk> maybe we can take a look and get it merged early in 0.24
00:19:14 <aidanh> unfortunately I've still had no time to debug the windows crashes
00:19:43 <aidanh> that'd be great if possible; apart from having almost no free time, I'm completely unfamiliar with windows debugging
00:20:00 <aidanh> and I'm sure crawl has its own byzantine spin on that as well
00:20:17 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.24-a0-58-gc8b47a3: Tiles for the Rift unrand (CanOfWorms) 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c8b47a3f3ee0
00:32:06 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-58-gc8b47a3f3e (34)
00:47:06 <aidanh> heh, that new pregeneration progress bar is quite snazzy
00:47:31 <advil> :-)
00:48:56 <advil> I'm trying to add a newgame menu option to set the seed and remembering what all these menus are like
00:49:27 <advil> do you remember how much more there was to be done on your newgame menu revamp?
00:51:01 <advil> I'm doing the hackiest thing to get the button-like behavior I want with what's there now
00:54:23 <aidanh> you mean something like a text input box? I didn't add anything like that
00:55:34 <advil> I want to have a button to switch between pregen and non-pregen for the seed input menu
00:56:27 <aidanh> ah, in that case that branch does make some changes which should help, IIRC
00:56:34 <advil> yeah, I glanced at them
00:56:40 <advil> MenuButtons
00:57:40 <aidanh> well, there's still the windows crashiness, but other than that I think it's mostly ready for merging
00:57:56 <advil> they made me really unenthusiastic about dealing with PrecisionMenu so the net result is something terrible but simple
00:59:56 <aidanh> I'm not entirely happy with the complexity of the MenuButton stuff either, but I do think it's an improvement
01:00:18 <aidanh> oh, it's also worth noting that that branch introduces the concept of ui widget input focus
01:01:36 <aidanh> which might affect how you'd construct the pregen/non-pregen switch
01:02:01 <advil> ah
01:02:10 <advil> well, I don't think I'll try to do it before the release
01:02:32 <advil> though I had about 30 minutes where I was tempted to see if I could merge a few commits from that branch
01:13:00 <Gretell> Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22.1-7-g5c428e7 (34)
01:28:03 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-58-gc8b47a3 (34)
01:33:11 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.24-a0-59-gc4a3eeb: Move seeded rng initialization later 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c4a3eeb67844
01:33:46 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.23] * 0.23-b1-59-g586d0d8: Move seeded rng initialization later 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/586d0d887c4d
01:47:12 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-59-gc4a3eeb678 (34)
01:58:32 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-59-gc4a3eeb
02:01:45 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
02:59:42 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-59-gc4a3eeb
03:31:04 <Kelbell> Stable (0.23) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-b1-59-g586d0d887c
03:54:34 <bgiannan> Hey. So i saw now we could set a target for a skill. Did you guys talked about something a step further than that? Like a way to plan out the whole skill evolution in advance?
04:53:50 <switch___> like setting sequential breakpoints? e.g. only train <x> to 6, then only train <y> to 8?
04:54:38 <switch___> in principle it isn't a bad idea for a feature, but planning "the whole skill evolution" in advance is probably bad play
04:56:21 <switch___> can probably hack it in without any kind of UI update if you use rc input
05:26:28 <bgiannan> switch___, well you could adjust it along the way
05:26:56 <bgiannan> but you could imagine loading other players "build"
05:27:05 <bgiannan> and share them etc
05:27:29 <bgiannan> like other game do (path of exile etc.)
05:27:41 <bgiannan> this could help new players who just don't know what to train at first
10:14:26 <advil> bgiannan there's enough rc scripting capability to do something like that, though it could be made easier
10:15:32 <advil> I'm not sure that's something that would be a good candidate for actually including the in-game skill ui, which is already incredibly complicated, but improving the scripting capabilities would be good
10:16:51 <advil> I think it's actually a bit tricky to really come up with generic training policies, I could sort of imagine something that is Be-specific
10:17:50 <advil> my guess is that autotrain is actually better as a generic training policy than anything one could easily do using skill targets per se
10:34:26 <advil> I could also imagine having multiple autotrain policies that a beginner could choose among?
10:38:06 <Stairdancer> Hello everyone
10:38:51 <Stairdancer> For the past two days whenever I press ctrl+P in webtiles it opens the message log scrolled all the way to the oldest messages
10:39:16 <advil> yes, there's some kind of bug that is doing that
10:39:19 <advil> v annoying
10:39:23 <Stairdancer> It's pretty inconvenient, but I'm not sure if it's a bug, so figured I'd post here first
10:39:25 <advil> it's even worse because it's actually random
10:39:31 <advil> so sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't
10:39:53 <advil> oh, it's a bug, definitely
10:40:00 <Stairdancer> Ok, good to know you're aware of it
10:41:32 <advil> now we just have to fix it
10:43:19 <Stairdancer> Yeah. I'd be glad to help, but I'm not a programming dude by any means.
10:56:53 <NP7> There's currently a bug in trunk where if you're hit by an elemental bolt that you resist, the "You resist" message prints before the message to say the bolt has hit
10:57:04 <NP7> I have a fix for that almost ready, that I'll push to a PR
10:57:12 <NP7> just waiting for it to compile to check it works
10:59:29 <NP7> *bug in trunk and 0.23 beta
11:02:36 <gammafunk> !kw nchoice
11:02:37 <Sequell> Keyword: nchoice => VpFE|BaEn|CeIE|DDCj|HaAE|KoVM|CeEE|BaFE|DrAM|TeWr|SpSu|DEAK|BaNe|DgEn|MuWr|FoTM|GnAK|MfEE|HuAE|DEHu|GnCK|VSSu|HaCj|OpAM|OgVM|FoWz|HOEn|SpIE|GhEn|DESk|VSFE|OgCj|DDWz|GnAs|GhAM|SpNe|TeAK|MfNe|HaSu|VSEE|DDVM|OpAE
11:02:46 <advil> !time
11:02:47 <gammafunk> !kw nchoice-0.22 VpFE|BaEn|CeIE|DDCj|HaAE|KoVM|CeEE|BaFE|DrAM|TeWr|SpSu|DEAK|BaNe|DgEn|MuWr|FoTM|GnAK|MfEE|HuAE|DEHu|GnCK|VSSu|HaCj|OpAM|OgVM|FoWz|HOEn|SpIE|GhEn|DESk|VSFE|OgCj|DDWz|GnAs|GhAM|SpNe|TeAK|MfNe|HaSu|VSEE|DDVM|OpAE
11:02:47 <Sequell> Time: Feb 04, 2019, 04:02:47 PM, UTC. The 2019 0.23 tournament starts in 4 days, 3 hours, 57 minutes and 12 seconds.
11:02:48 <Sequell> Defined keyword: nchoice-0.22 => VpFE|BaEn|CeIE|DDCj|HaAE|KoVM|CeEE|BaFE|DrAM|TeWr|SpSu|DEAK|BaNe|DgEn|MuWr|FoTM|GnAK|MfEE|HuAE|DEHu|GnCK|VSSu|HaCj|OpAM|OgVM|FoWz|HOEn|SpIE|GhEn|DESk|VSFE|OgCj|DDWz|GnAs|GhAM|SpNe|TeAK|MfNe|HaSu|VSEE|DDVM|OpAE
11:02:58 <gammafunk> !kw -rm nchoice
11:02:59 <Sequell> Deleted keyword: nchoice => VpFE|BaEn|CeIE|DDCj|HaAE|KoVM|CeEE|BaFE|DrAM|TeWr|SpSu|DEAK|BaNe|DgEn|MuWr|FoTM|GnAK|MfEE|HuAE|DEHu|GnCK|VSSu|HaCj|OpAM|OgVM|FoWz|HOEn|SpIE|GhEn|DESk|VSFE|OgCj|DDWz|GnAs|GhAM|SpNe|TeAK|MfNe|HaSu|VSEE|DDVM|OpAE
11:03:13 <gammafunk> think we have to use 34 online wins as the cutoff this time
11:03:16 <gammafunk> up from 30
11:05:24 <advil> gammafunk: what would you think of me attempting to, later this week, quickly hack together some scoreboards for limited play categories? E.g. a scoreboard that shows weekend-only games, or for players (/clans?) who have <=10 tournament games total
11:06:10 <advil> just adding to existing stuff, not really changing any rules
11:06:16 <gammafunk> sounds ok; you mean that you're adding these to the scripts?
11:06:23 <advil> if I can figure it out
11:06:35 <gammafunk> the main issue is not breaking/interrupting the scoring script for long
11:06:38 <advil> yeah
11:07:14 <gammafunk> not sure if you saw my earlier calculations, but it takes about 15 minutes for cdo to process two hours of high traffic tournament data
11:07:14 <advil> heh
11:07:16 <advil> well, i'd hope to have this done before !time
11:07:29 <gammafunk> so it processes in 7 minute batches giving maybe a minute of time for each batch
11:07:41 <advil> no idea how feasible this really is, but it would be a quick way of getting at some of the requests for t rule changes
11:07:43 <gammafunk> yeah, in that case the only problem is if you somehow make the scripts slower
11:07:47 <advil> ah
11:07:58 <gammafunk> by slower I mean significantly so
11:08:11 <gammafunk> you can test your changes locally, of course
11:08:16 <advil> ok, hopefully not...though I haven't played much with these scripts so if that happens we can scrap it
11:08:47 <gammafunk> yeah they are not exactly well designed, but that project sounds fine at a basic level
11:09:24 <gammafunk> maybe you want to push your changes to a branch in dcss_tourney repo that's based off 0.23-tourney branch in that repo
11:09:32 <advil> ok, thanks
11:09:47 <advil> I know you said we weren't going to change the t rules, but there was also a nice list of relatively small changes that I think minmay put together in a tavern thread somewhere, I wonder if any of those would be easy / minimal?
11:09:58 <gammafunk> some of those might be indeed
11:10:04 <gammafunk> yeah I need to look and see if we could do that
11:10:12 <gammafunk> there are a couple weird crawl bugs I need to look at first
11:10:17 <advil> yeah
11:10:33 <gammafunk> pie silencing has strange delays where it takes a while to activate after the duration is added
11:10:34 <advil> if there's anything small but impactful to tournament player qol I would advocate for doing it
11:10:45 <advil> I can even try to do it
11:10:50 <gammafunk> definitely
11:11:06 <gammafunk> right now cko, lld, cxc, cue are configured in the scripts
11:11:10 <gammafunk> and have been working fine
11:11:33 <gammafunk> so that's some good tests data to work with; I was using just games in their 0.23 branch with arbitrary start/end dates
11:11:45 <gammafunk> see test_data.py to change said dates
11:12:30 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/975 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/975
11:12:30 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/975 * 0.24-a0-60-ge574b0d: Fix message order when a player resists damage from an elemental bolt 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 27+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e574b0d78326
11:12:38 <advil> won't get to work on this until tomorrow or wed, still doing tons of actual work with immediate deadlines x last-minute stuff for seeding, but I will try to spend some time on this
11:12:38 <gammafunk> loaddb.py has the dates for the live tournament; a variable in test_data called USE_TEST enables test mode, which uses the data in test_data.py
11:12:51 <gammafunk> cool, let me know if you need help
11:22:39 <Lantell> Stable (0.23) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-b1-59-g586d0d887c
11:35:52 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.24-a0-60-gcf4bcd2: Add a hacky but functional newgame menu for seed / pregen 10(38 seconds ago, 11 files, 188+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cf4bcd280a72
11:36:50 <advil> writing newgame ui with the current state of things is kind of a hilarious experience
11:39:24 <gammafunk> // yes this appalling, some day we will have real buttons and text...
11:40:35 <advil> indeed
11:46:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.23] * 0.23-b1-60-g786a82b: Add a hacky but functional newgame menu for seed / pregen 10(11 minutes ago, 11 files, 188+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/786a82ba685d
11:46:38 <advil> that commit adds a new game_type, as far as I could tell, there should be no extra complications from the way I did it. But, worth mentioning here...
11:47:26 <advil> if it's enabled on any servers (and they publish milestones) I expect sequell will need to know about it
11:47:47 <advil> also need to update the manual but will do that later
11:49:03 <gammafunk> oh, so meaning it needs an explicit webtiles config entry and all that?
11:53:48 <advil> maybe? I tried to make it so I wouldn't have to figure that out right now, i.e. that commit should only impact offline. Hopefully I succeeded
12:06:51 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-60-gcf4bcd280a (34)
12:10:57 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
12:26:43 <Henzell> Stable (0.22) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.22.1-7-g5c428e7
12:44:34 <Cheibriados> Character doll editor doesn't fit properly 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11852 by Siegurt
12:52:08 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.24-a0-60-gcf4bcd2 (34)
15:25:54 <advil> it seems unlikely that it could be so easy to add a new game type to sequell as just adding a new prefix to `config/crawl-data.yml`, but I don't see much else to do
15:26:09 <advil> probably hasn't happened recently enough that anyone here knows
15:27:10 <advil> maybe the last time was zotdef (rip)
15:27:13 <gammafunk> yeah, we probably also want to wait until servers have it installed
15:27:24 <gammafunk> since don't we also need to add logfile/milestone field for seed?
15:28:15 <advil> it *appears* as if one adds that prefix to that file, it all might magically happen? seems unlikely though
15:28:18 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * x=game_type
15:28:18 <Sequell> Unknown field: game_type
15:28:26 <alexjurkiewicz> oh so doesn't exist now?
15:28:37 <gammafunk> well no sources installed
15:28:40 <gammafunk> even if it did
15:28:44 <gammafunk> no servers even have it set up
15:28:45 <advil> the new game_type is in crawl, but not in sequell
15:28:50 <gammafunk> oh you mean as a general type
15:28:51 <gammafunk> !kw sprint
15:28:52 <Sequell> Built-in: sprint => game=sprint
15:29:01 <gammafunk> game is the field
15:29:24 <gammafunk> !lg . x=game
15:29:24 <Sequell> 813. [game=] gammafunk the Magician (L1 MuWz), slain by an adder on D:2 on 2019-01-15 23:10:02, with 4 points after 400 turns and 0:03:20.
15:29:24 <advil> !lg * s=game
15:29:24 <Sequell> ERROR:  column logrecord.game does not exist
15:29:26 <gammafunk> hah
15:29:27 <advil> nice
15:29:31 <gammafunk> which I guess in non-empty for games other than default
15:29:33 <gammafunk> !kw zotdef
15:29:34 <Sequell> Built-in: zotdef => game=zotdef
15:29:37 <gammafunk> but yeah that's the field used
15:29:47 <advil> I'm not surprised because that's not really a field in a milestone, it's used to determine what milestone table to look in
15:29:56 <gammafunk> I think this may be one of those sequell derived fields
15:30:01 <advil> yeah
15:30:43 <advil> it's defined here: https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/config/crawl-data.yml
15:30:51 <advil> under game-type-prefixes and game-type-tags
15:30:59 <advil> !lg * game=zd
15:31:00 <Sequell> undefined method `+' for nil:NilClass
15:31:03 <advil> lol
15:31:23 <advil> !lg * game=nostalgia
15:31:24 <Sequell> 3497. Zaly the Covered (L2 MDPa of The Shining One), slain by an adder on D:2 on 2015-10-29 20:55:24, with 60 points after 254 turns and 0:03:25.
15:31:36 <advil> maybe nostalgia would've been the most recent one added
15:31:45 <gammafunk> yeah, should be
15:31:50 <gammafunk> zotdef was before nostalgia
15:31:57 <gammafunk> not sure what those game-type-tags are
15:32:07 <gammafunk> oh I guess just the value you can use
15:32:10 <gammafunk> for the game field
15:32:16 <advil> except for zd I guess
15:32:18 <gammafunk> !kw zd
15:32:18 <Sequell> No keyword 'zd'
15:32:22 <gammafunk> !lg * game=zd
15:32:23 <Sequell> undefined method `+' for nil:NilClass
15:32:28 <gammafunk> !lg * game=zotdef
15:32:30 <Sequell> 41553. tatocazan the Shield-Bearer (L1 MiFi), rotted away (a bat) in Zot (Scenario I: Hall of Zot : zotvault) on 2019-02-02 15:25:44, with 1 point after 216 turns and 0:00:24.
15:32:33 <gammafunk> interesting
15:33:01 <advil> maybe my next quixotic project should be to revive zotdef
15:34:13 <gammafunk> I think zotdef just wasn't very popular; I could certainly suggest other ones that might make a bigger splash
15:34:42 <advil> heh
15:34:42 <gammafunk> !lg * zotdef x=cdist(name)
15:34:42 <Sequell> 41553 games for * (zotdef): cdist(name)=5158
15:34:42 <gammafunk> !lg * sprint x=cdist(name)
15:34:46 <Sequell> 785961 games for * (sprint): cdist(name)=13038
15:34:48 <advil> tbf I've literally never played it, just sort of have always liked the sound of it
15:35:47 <gammafunk> does webtiles playback sound quixotic enough? maybe that might be described more as "nightmare"
15:36:15 <gammafunk> definitely a hugely requested feature that seems technologically just out of grasp
15:37:22 <gammafunk> thankfully the klown pie bug turned out to be just that we didn't invalidate the grid, so an easy fix
16:11:35 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.24-a0-61-g27fda53: Don't target net traps through glass (NormalPerson7) 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/27fda53bb8d0
16:12:21 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07[stone_soup-0.23] * 0.23-b1-61-g0617ebe: Don't target net traps through glass (NormalPerson7) 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0617ebe172f7
16:17:09 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-61-g27fda53bb8 (34)
16:25:54 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.24-a0-62-ga006759: Fix the area grid for klown pie silence 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a006759ab768
16:26:39 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.23] * 0.23-b1-62-gbd6a290: Fix the area grid for klown pie silence 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bd6a290449a6
16:26:55 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 {ebering} 07* 0.24-a0-63-g50940db: Fix message order when a player resists damage from an elemental bolt 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 27+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/50940dbbcd7a
16:31:45 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.23] * 0.23-b1-63-ga7e7efe: Tiles for the Rift unrand (CanOfWorms) 10(16 hours ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a7e7efe286fa
16:31:45 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.23] * 0.23-b1-64-g8db75db: Fix message order when a player resists damage from an elemental bolt 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 27+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8db75dbae71e
16:32:20 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-63-g50940dbbcd (34)
16:39:54 <Cheibriados> 03Umer Shaikh02 {ebering} 07* 0.24-a0-64-gf9871eb: Escape angle brackets in macro assignment 10(21 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f9871eb36967
16:39:54 <Cheibriados> 03Umer Shaikh02 {ebering} 07* 0.24-a0-65-g0956303: Make unassigned keys exit macro reassignment menu 10(20 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/095630396997
16:47:14 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-65-g0956303969 (34)
16:47:48 <Cheibriados> 03Umer Shaikh02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.23] * 0.23-b1-65-gfb0d8fd: Escape angle brackets in macro assignment 10(21 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fb0d8fdb1ca2
16:47:48 <Cheibriados> 03Umer Shaikh02 {ebering} 07[stone_soup-0.23] * 0.23-b1-66-ge6d1084: Make unassigned keys exit macro reassignment menu 10(21 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e6d10847ef91
17:19:38 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/976 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/976
17:19:38 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/976 * 0.24-a0-66-g508cf82: Re-enable stat shifting for Gnolls worshipping Jiyva 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/508cf822a6cc
17:52:12 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07* 0.24-a0-66-g508cf82: Re-enable stat shifting for Gnolls worshipping Jiyva 10(40 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/508cf822a6cc
17:52:12 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 {GitHub} 07* 0.24-a0-67-ga78bd38: Merge pull request #976 from Floodkiller/gn_jiyva_fix 10(9 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a78bd38d5a8b
17:57:43 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.23] * 0.23-b1-67-g8bd44de: Merge pull request #976 from Floodkiller/gn_jiyva_fix 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8bd44de8e437
18:02:15 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.24-a0-67-ga78bd38d5a (34)
18:22:18 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.24-a0-67-ga78bd38d5a (34)
18:24:17 <travis-ci> The build passed. (master - 0956303 #11073 : Umer Shaikh): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/488719571
18:33:30 <ebering> do we have someone lined up to do osx stable builds
18:36:48 <advil> me
18:37:00 <advil> well, I guess you could do them now too, if you wanted
18:37:13 <gammafunk> yeah, advil has done for last few releases, and I'll do windows and linux as before
18:37:17 <advil> but I already know the process
18:38:28 <ebering> yeah; I don't have a apple cert if we are signing them
18:38:31 <gammafunk> oh, I guess we need advil to do his ghost corraling at some point soonish
18:38:40 <advil> ah right
18:39:01 <advil> well, the lazy option would be to not update the bones files
18:39:20 <advil> I'm not sure I have time to do that by tmw if tomorrow is still a release
18:39:39 <advil> maybe we can do a second release sometime after t that includes tournament ghosts?
18:39:45 <advil> no one currently has an apple cert
18:40:56 <advil> I think about getting one from time to time, but getting app signing to work with that system seems comically difficult
18:41:51 <gammafunk> I believe ebering was shooting for 6th or 7th
18:41:59 <advil> ah
18:42:09 <gammafunk> but if that's still not enough time then yeah
18:42:19 <gammafunk> if I knew what your process was I could probably do
18:42:31 <advil> I don't fully remember my process any more
18:42:34 <gammafunk> haha
18:42:42 <advil> that's why I wrote my rng docs right away this time
18:43:07 <advil> I do remember that I wanted to automate my process a bit more on take 2, but I no longer remember how
18:43:33 <gammafunk> hrm, maybe for culling ghosts of highly-played combos?
18:43:41 <advil> yeah, maybe
18:43:44 <gammafunk> not sure if you can automate checking for offensive names
18:43:52 <advil> I hand-checked every name
18:44:00 <gammafunk> yeah, makes sense
18:44:12 <advil> there was also a lot of culling of duplicates
18:44:20 <advil> step 1 would be to get some bones files from maybe CAO, CKO, CBRO?
18:45:31 <gammafunk> right, guess you could include cdo too
18:45:33 <gammafunk> not that there would be that many
18:45:35 <advil> well, iirc cdo has the one bones dir per version thing
18:45:44 <alexjurkiewicz> I can give you some from CPO so you get famous youtubers
18:45:47 <advil> heh
18:46:11 <gammafunk> famouse youtubers? gammafunk doesn't play on cpo
18:46:22 <advil> oh, a general question: last time I did include some real names mixed in with the generated names (permastore doesn't keep real names), do we actually want to do that this time?
18:46:44 <gammafunk> yeah, I didn't really hear any pushback from that last time
18:46:57 <advil> some offline players actually complained about this (or maybe just the whole concept), they seemed to find it jarring to have someone else's ghost on their computer
18:47:14 <gammafunk> I see, yeah I could see at least a few people complaining
18:47:35 <advil> to be honest, these aren't complaints I was able to fully grasp
18:47:50 <gammafunk> it's one of those things where most would find it fun, and a minority might be annoyed
18:47:53 <advil> I guess also I don't know how the people whose names get used might feel about it?
18:48:13 <gammafunk> yeah, we have no way of knowing without doing some kind of survey
18:48:15 <alexjurkiewicz> probably it was jarring because they've played crawl for ages and only seen their ghosts, then suddenly BAM, outside world
18:48:33 <gammafunk> that is true, yeah; it's a shift from the old system
18:48:33 <advil> something like that
18:48:48 <gammafunk> and some names are likely still a bit edgy even if they're not outright offensive
18:48:59 <advil> IIRC I got rid of even edgy ones
18:49:06 <gammafunk> that's good
18:49:15 <advil> at least, that I detected
18:49:36 <gammafunk> I think it's fun to use real names but don't feel too strongly if another dev feels its inappropriate
18:49:51 <gammafunk> I guess we could even have an option for that (something to think about for 0.24 possibly)
18:49:54 <advil> that was my take last time, but I didn't really think very hard about it at the time
18:50:11 <gammafunk> you know, like enable this to randomize all ghost names that aren't your own
18:50:14 <gammafunk> maybe that's silly
18:50:17 <advil> heh
18:50:52 <advil> I thought about it, but my grasp of the complaint was weak enough that I didn't do
18:51:10 <advil> there were actually some ghost improvements that I had slated but didn't do because I temporarily retired, that one was somewhere on the list (but not the highest)
18:51:17 <gammafunk> since you are the primary author of the ghost functionality, I'll defer to you; I don't feel too strongly but think it's sort of neat
18:51:21 <gammafunk> of course, I don't actually play offline
18:51:26 <gammafunk> so maybe my opinion is not too important
18:51:27 <advil> (I guess I can't claim to be retired any more)
18:51:49 <gammafunk> when a retired dev has more commits than any of the active ones, crawl is truly dead
18:51:53 <advil> haha
18:54:09 <alexjurkiewicz> 6,874 to go advil (for #1)
19:00:45 <gammafunk> I'm going to take down wheals soon for #7
19:00:55 <gammafunk> after that comes galehar then the almighty grunt
19:05:48 <gammafunk> wheals: you here that?! I'm coming for you!
19:05:58 <gammafunk> s/here/hear/
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