00:44:23 <ebering> grey_: I'm not 100% clear on what you're trying to do, but there are functions for testing if aa monster is an ancestor
00:45:00 <ebering> specifically mons_is_hepliaklqana_ancestor
00:45:17 <ebering> so whatever you're trying to do will be more likely to work using that
00:47:48 <Cheibriados> IRON statue shatters into ROCK fragments when being LRDed. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11784 by Yermak
02:48:18 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-550-g7de1f8e
03:30:48 <Kelbell> Experimental (new-nemelex) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-512-gfb9f0a5ad7
06:47:07 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
09:50:06 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-513-gb27f7c0: Adjust Triple Draw and Deal Four 10(26 minutes ago, 3 files, 3+ 20-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b27f7c00f56c
09:50:06 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-514-g2ed81d7: fixup! New Nemelex Deal Four ability 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ed81d734590
09:51:16 <ebering> =versions
09:52:39 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: is there an easy way to see what commit cpo's new-nemelex is aat or do I just have to start a game?
10:02:39 <Kelbell> Experimental (new-nemelex) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-514-g2ed81d7345
11:15:07 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-515-g48314fb: fixup! New Nemelex Stack five 10(63 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/48314fbb9063
11:15:07 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-516-g1a3fc70: fixup! Descriptions for Nemelex Draw abilities 10(56 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1a3fc7049469
11:15:07 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-517-ge4e2fa5: fixup! fixup! Descriptions for Nemelex Draw abilities 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 16+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e4e2fa5f9ede
12:31:40 <advil> ^status
12:36:33 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.23-a0-551-g35ae891: Changelog through 0.23-a0-550-g7de1f8ee9f 10(86 seconds ago, 1 file, 19+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/35ae8912eb30
12:46:23 <gammafunk> ebering: are you writing a trunk update right now?
12:47:03 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-551-g35ae8912eb (34)
12:47:59 <gammafunk> I'm going to push some changes to that changelog entry, but if you are writing an update, would appreciate it if you let me have a pass at the gauntlet part
12:51:47 <ebering> My current draft has a section marker for labs and then "gammafunk write this please"
12:51:53 <ebering> I was planning to ask you to look at the wordpress draft :)
12:52:43 <gammafunk> nice, thanks
12:53:32 <gammafunk> I'm rewriting the gauntlet bit and doing a bit of reorg to the changelog (mostly just grouping things under a parent entry like we do for larger changes)
12:54:22 <gammafunk> speaking only of the changelog here; I can put that into the wordpress or you can do so (since I'm not sure what colorful language you like to use)
12:54:28 <gammafunk> but either way let me push that in a sec
12:55:52 <gammafunk> also I fixed: "Mark the player when triggerd"; since I probably make a lot more typos than you (if you've noticed how often I make them in irc)
12:56:10 <gammafunk> recommend spell check pass over changelog changes
12:56:14 <ebering> thanks
12:56:14 <gammafunk> I just run the one in vim
12:56:24 <ebering> yeah I should do that
12:56:31 <gammafunk> well I use spell check on my commit messages too, but I'm pretty bad for typos
12:57:03 <gammafunk> the absolute worst is when I fix all the typos in the commit message body but miss one in the commit title line
12:58:21 <ebering> heh
13:05:06 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-552-g889f499: Some changelog tweaks 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/889f499fb32f
13:05:34 <gammafunk> feel free to tweak further, but it's nice to group a major set of related changes
13:07:10 <gammafunk> oh
13:07:19 <gammafunk> we should probably mention that teleport traps no longer generate
13:09:52 <ebering> they do though. oh shoot. I was supposed to fix up that commit message on rebase and I didn't, did I
13:13:10 <gammafunk> yeah, I didn't see that mentioned
13:13:39 <gammafunk> oh
13:13:45 <gammafunk> they do generate? well TIL
13:14:10 <gammafunk> right...I guess that makes sense
13:14:54 <ebering> oh, the commit message was fixed up
13:15:02 <ebering> well
13:15:08 <ebering> it's not the best commit message I've ever written
13:15:35 <ebering> %git 17e7bed
13:15:35 <Cheibriados> 07ebering02 * 0.23-a0-499-g17e7bed: Add dispersal traps 10(5 months ago, 6 files, 31+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/17e7bed968ff
13:16:42 <gammafunk> yeah, kind of like your commit message is insinuating, I'm not sure if both need to exist as randomly generated ones
13:16:52 <gammafunk> specifically thingle of random gen single use teleport traps
13:16:56 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-552-g889f499fb3 (34)
13:17:07 <gammafunk> but I guess there's not really any harm
13:17:19 <gammafunk> teleport trap has the benefit of being extremely simple to understand
13:17:38 <gammafunk> by both I meant both teleport and dispersal
13:18:57 <gammafunk> I know what we do
13:19:08 <gammafunk> break out every zot trap effect that we like....
13:19:13 <gammafunk> ....into its own unique trap type
13:19:27 <ebering> radical
13:19:31 <gammafunk> monsters got you down? step on that eldritch trap and make a friendly tentacle
13:19:40 <gammafunk> beware...its affections do not last long
13:20:08 <gammafunk> the reaper trap....it makes a reaper
13:23:40 <ebering> I saved a trunk updates draft to the WP if you have a chance to look at it
13:23:50 <gammafunk> ok will take a look
13:23:53 <ebering> if it looks good to you feel free to hit publish
13:24:02 <ebering> I copied the changelog for gauntlet
13:27:07 <gammafunk> ebering: care to add the piety changes? we should add that to the changelog at some point, at least
13:27:22 <gammafunk> exploration piety changes
13:29:31 <ebering> oh, yeah
13:29:54 <gammafunk> pan lords and player ghosts being immune to pacification should likewise go in changelog
13:30:03 <gammafunk> not required for update of course
13:30:22 <gammafunk> oh and that formula got reworked didn't it
13:30:41 <ebering> yeah it did
13:30:50 <gammafunk> well you made those changes, so I'll leave you to describe any
13:30:54 <ebering> ok
13:31:30 <gammafunk> gauntlet stuff is obviously ok with me, update-wise
13:31:54 <gammafunk> thanks for writing that and the changelog update
14:36:33 <gammafunk> Update here: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-9-december-2018
14:42:25 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.23-a0-553-g7a9182e: Further changelog edits 10(29 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7a9182eec137
14:43:52 <gammafunk> ebering: did you want that to actually read " The targeter to display pacification chance"?
14:45:16 <gammafunk> I worded that oddly, I mean, is that actually what you wanted to write there? Seems like it might be part of the old entry.
14:46:16 <ebering> Having some real trouble with writing today
14:46:20 <ebering> thanks for your proof reading
14:46:21 <ebering> :)
14:46:40 <gammafunk> ebering: no worries, and if you're editing again, maybe consistently add periods to those sentences
14:46:56 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-553-g7a9182eec1 (34)
14:47:27 <ebering> oh, I guess I should add explore piety also
14:47:58 <gammafunk> yeah, definitely changelog worthy
14:50:09 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.23-a0-554-gd3cbc84: Still more change log edits 10(73 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d3cbc8420aad
15:01:53 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-554-gd3cbc8420a (34)
15:07:10 <gammafunk> floraline: could you make the meta folder for the nem experimental public?
15:07:24 <gammafunk> in terms of the logfile/milestone files
15:07:32 <gammafunk> I assume those exist normally
15:10:08 <gammafunk> alexjurkiewicz: snark provided the backups of cjr's 0.17 and 0.18 logfile/milestone files here: https://loom.shalott.org/server-xlogs/cjr/meta/0.17/ https://loom.shalott.org/server-xlogs/cjr/meta/0.18/
15:10:29 <gammafunk> if you could add those to your cjr backup S3 bucket, would be appreciated
15:11:05 <gammafunk> I suppose we could just use sequell's backup as the main one for the logfile and milestone files specifically
15:11:35 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/920 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/920
15:11:35 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/920 * 0.23-a0-555-g3a318c7: Add dispersal traps to Zot:5 10(9 minutes ago, 3 files, 14+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3a318c7001ce
15:11:38 <gammafunk> but for ttyrecs, he did get back to me to say that shalott.org is probably not the best place for those
15:13:56 <floraline> gammafunk: new-nemelex meta files are public now, sorry i forgot about this step when adding it
15:15:59 <gammafunk> floraline: thanks!
15:27:31 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/920 * 0.23-a0-555-g1d46e6f: Add dispersal traps to Zot:5 10(25 minutes ago, 3 files, 14+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1d46e6f6fd2f
15:33:50 <Yermak> gammafunk, portal messages are usually coloured with yellow
15:33:58 <Yermak> by default
15:40:01 <gammafunk> yeah I think the default settings need updating
15:54:05 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/920 * 0.23-a0-556-g4fe995b: Clean up some trap choosing code 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4fe995b51871
16:12:22 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
17:12:52 <alexjurkiewicz> gammafunk: sure
17:13:26 <alexjurkiewicz> ebering: that's the only way, start game and ?V
17:13:52 <alexjurkiewicz> ebering: i'll set it up to rebuild every hour or so since you seem to be updating a lost
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19:22:35 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-518-g3e12c6e: Make the Velocity card less harmful at low power 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 9+ 63-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3e12c6e7ed25
21:55:10 <ebering> !crashlog
21:55:36 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: I think so yes
21:55:36 <Sequell> 20483. Snack, XL26 TeEn, T:67263 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Snack/crash-Snack-20181210-025256.txt
22:19:35 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: what's your thinking on your storm card tweak beyond "make it function on power in a more noticable way"
22:20:53 <alexjurkiewicz> ebering: storm cloud can be quite bad because it essentially traps you (especially at low level, where lightning would 1/2HKO you) and if a ranged monster is at LoS they are free to continue attacking you until you teleport or the clouds wear off
22:22:27 <alexjurkiewicz> the change to radius means 1) at low powers, it will be easier to run out of the clouds without dying 2) at higher powers, everything in LoS will get rain clouds so you can affect more monsters at once
22:23:33 <alexjurkiewicz> I note that monster AI wrt clouds will be about equally easy to trap in clouds regardless of radius, so a wider radius doesn't per se turn into easier damage application
22:24:22 <alexjurkiewicz> semi-related: air elemental is quite good in 1v1, but the submerging behaviour makes it unreliable as a blocker and it's not very tanky once you get to the "two yak" part of the game
22:25:00 <alexjurkiewicz> storm cloud is probably pretty bad in late game, so maybe it should generate more elementals at higher power. But that is not something I'll add to this PR
22:25:20 <ebering> well, I don't think more summoning is the answer to a destruction card
22:25:56 <alexjurkiewicz> mostly unrelated: Hellcrawl's Qazlal gets an ability "cloud surge" which places clouds on every square within x tiles of the player, maxing out at LoS once your invo/piety is high enough. And then you can convert them all to elementals. Not relevant, but a cool ability if you ever get to try it
22:28:36 <alexjurkiewicz> I do also think the card should be in summoning, since it guarantees a friendly monster. I wonder what happens if a storm cloud attacks a summon. Does it turn hostile?
22:29:03 <ebering> No, your summons don't get mad if they get hurt by your clouds that they walk into
22:29:12 <gammafunk> yeah I agree that more summoning is not a good direction for that card
22:29:15 <ebering> and it doesn't drop clouds on tiles with allies
22:30:03 <gammafunk> also
22:30:06 <gammafunk> %git 28fe365db5a8212
22:30:06 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1102-g28fe365: Don't make air elementals submerge in air randomly 10(3 years, 7 months ago, 5 files, 5+ 38-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/28fe365db5a8
22:30:16 <gammafunk> air elementals haven't submerged since 2015
22:31:16 <alexjurkiewicz> hm. Then sometimes the card really does not summon a friendly, even though I don't see any conditional on the summon logic
22:32:31 <ebering> Hm? L1457 _friendly(MONS_AIR_ELEMENTAL, 3);
22:32:35 <gammafunk> it never summons hostiles
22:36:01 <alexjurkiewicz> I mean it seems like nothing is summoned at all
22:36:14 <alexjurkiewicz> i'll see if I can replicate
22:36:22 <gammafunk> if nothing is summoned at all, how is it hostile?
22:36:43 <gammafunk> oh you mean "does not summon a friendly" to mean that no summon is made
22:36:57 <ebering> create_monster can fail for a variety of reasons
22:37:01 <ebering> and there's no message
22:37:11 <gammafunk> anyhow I think a good route for the card is to do something with making clouds
22:37:48 <ebering> give it cbls at high power :P
22:37:48 <gammafunk> since qaz gives you cloud immunity, you could summon a twister at high power
22:37:52 <gammafunk> short duration one at least
22:38:11 <ebering> what's qaz got to do with it
22:38:12 <minmay> i was going to say, high power storm card could straight up give you a tornado
22:38:17 <gammafunk> yeah
22:38:23 <gammafunk> could be more direct and just use tornado
22:38:27 <minmay> it already kills your summons anyway
22:39:02 <minmay> most nemelex summons are happy to walk into storm clouds and die
22:39:10 <gammafunk> ebering: yeah I was trying to say something like "give the player cloud immunity and summon a twister"
22:39:26 <minmay> cloud immunity doesn't help against tornado
22:39:50 <gammafunk> yeah, it may not; but you could make the player immune to it
22:40:05 <gammafunk> it'd be fine to just cast tornado though
22:40:07 <minmay> so why summon a twister instead of just giving them tornado?
22:40:18 <gammafunk> the same reason why nem exists
22:40:25 <gammafunk> "slightly different effects from existing spells"
22:40:27 <alexjurkiewicz> tornado as the legendary effect similar to pentagram giving a pan lord would be cool
22:41:40 <minmay> it is rather wildly different from the current effect though, it currently creates clouds, tornado basically destroys clouds
22:41:51 <gammafunk> did storm card get added after air elementals lost submerge?
22:42:16 <minmay> also drawing two storm cards in a row would basically waste one of them
22:42:16 <gammafunk> heh
22:43:09 <alexjurkiewicz> minmay: that's basically true now
22:43:22 <minmay> btw if people hate being "fenced in" by the storm clouds there's a fairly simple solution to that: make the clouds targeted
22:43:43 <minmay> true
22:44:13 <gammafunk> yeah the tornado effect is pretty different
22:44:29 <gammafunk> I like the idea of just making it targeted, although it doesn't scale that well with power
22:44:35 <gammafunk> however that's not such a huge deal
22:44:47 <gammafunk> I guess you could increase the cloud area just fine with card level
22:44:53 <minmay> the way clouds work makes them impossible to scale with power currently
22:44:56 <gammafunk> if it's targetted that makes it scale well
22:44:59 <alexjurkiewicz> the clouds could potentially change as well
22:45:01 <minmay> see: every cloud spell
22:45:18 <alexjurkiewicz> rain -> storm clouds
22:45:28 <ebering> rain is useless
22:45:39 <minmay> yeah, a wand of clouds style progression would be the only way to scale clouds with power
22:45:45 <alexjurkiewicz> yes. But you still get an air elemental even at 0 power
22:46:01 <ebering> I guess, for any storm revsion, I'd like to see it lose the elementals
22:46:12 <ebering> it should be about destruction
22:46:14 <gammafunk> not a bad idea to do that
22:46:25 <gammafunk> but right, you do need to scale it somehow
22:46:29 <gammafunk> how about just have a targeter
22:46:38 <ebering> I was thinking of digging up some of the old disk of storms effects
22:46:39 <gammafunk> where the number of clouds cells scales with card level
22:46:41 <minmay> give it a fan of gales effect
22:46:49 <alexjurkiewicz> it has that already!
22:46:55 <alexjurkiewicz> kitchen sink card
22:46:57 <minmay> well that shows how useful fan of gales is
22:47:09 <gammafunk> oh true, you could could throw in some random zaps
22:47:19 <gammafunk> but then the cloud targetting bit
22:47:22 <gammafunk> it gets really weird
22:47:43 <alexjurkiewicz> maybe there could be some combo of clouds, lightning bolt/chain lightning/cbl, disc of storms effect that changes as power level goes up
22:47:45 <gammafunk> but you could just leave the clouds and add better zaps
22:47:46 <ebering> Yeah I didn't have the cloud targeter in mind. Just ring of storm clouds plus zaps n bolts n cbls scaling with card power
22:47:48 <minmay> thing with disc of storms and chain lightning and basically every other elec attack is that it will hit the player and their allies
22:48:20 <alexjurkiewicz> what's another special case
22:48:54 <gammafunk> a targeter is probably a pretty good idea....I guess the spark card no longer exists
22:49:03 <gammafunk> what are the other nem descruction cards that hit allies
22:49:08 <gammafunk> ??deck of destruction
22:49:08 <Sequell> deck of destruction[1/2]: A deck of magical cards, most of which hurl death and destruction at one's foes (or, if unlucky, at oneself). It may contain the following cards: {vitriol card}, {storm card}, {pain card}, {orb card}, {wild magic card} and {degeneration card}.
22:49:14 <alexjurkiewicz> is black draconian breath the same thing as disc of storms?
22:49:14 <minmay> you could make chain lightning not damage the caster at all perhaps, since by the time you actually cast a level 8 conj/air spell, you usually have enough AC for it to do basically no damage to you anyway
22:49:25 <minmay> and it's a nikola buff!
22:49:38 <gammafunk> like orb card hits allies pretty readilly
22:49:45 <gammafunk> at legendar power at least
22:49:52 <minmay> black drac breath is a lot like the old disc of storms that didn't make rain clouds
22:50:32 <alexjurkiewicz> ebering: do you think cards need to keep 3 discrete power levels with the nem rework?
22:50:58 <gammafunk> nem rework is not trying to redesign every card
22:51:04 <gammafunk> which if power levels were removed, it would have to
22:51:43 <gammafunk> not every card has three discrete effects even now, but they all have a power level as well as spell power
22:51:46 <ebering> beware scope creep :P
22:51:50 <gammafunk> right
22:52:26 <ebering> I think that "hits allies sometimes" is okay for destruction to have
22:53:11 <minmay> it does mean that mixing destruction and summoning in the same fight is worse though
22:53:18 <ebering> since it already does (current storm (wind blast hits em even if it doesn't cloud em, and they walk in clouds), legendary orb, wild magic)
22:53:36 <ebering> and you can triple draw if you're doing that and feel it's important to do so
22:54:12 <gammafunk> yeah that was my thinking; I guess a fairly simple solution is to add a disc of storms style effect, but the damage from that tends to be lackluster with bad power
22:54:22 <gammafunk> also with the air elemental gone, the clouds are sort of in this spot where
22:54:31 <minmay> legendary orb usually just hits nothing :P
22:54:40 <gammafunk> monsters will stare at you from the other side with no air elemental to hit them
22:54:57 <ebering> monsters used to be more afraid of storm clouds
22:55:19 <gammafunk> I mean, that definitely happens most of the time presently
22:55:26 <minmay> targeted clouds would fix that, wouldn't it?
22:55:34 <gammafunk> yeah, that's what I'm saying
22:55:44 <gammafunk> but you can't really have targeted clouds and disc of storms effect
22:55:52 <alexjurkiewicz> if the clouds go over a monster which isn't next to you, chances are they will walk out of them in a turn
22:56:00 <alexjurkiewicz> i guess a cone fixes that
22:56:10 <gammafunk> that's for the player to figure out
22:56:24 <minmay> i think disc of storms effect fits better on disc of storms than it does on a card, it limited  by your HP rather than cards/XP/MP/whatever was what made it so interesting and good
22:56:31 <minmay> being limited*
22:56:41 <gammafunk> ebering: it's been my experience in my current nem game that monsters end up sitting on the other side of clouds a lot
22:56:46 <minmay> a cone, or a line like poison breath
22:57:16 <gammafunk> it's probably not too hard to get many to walk in, but happens at least half the time for me
22:57:32 <gammafunk> I draw single cards a lot and see that effect a lot
22:57:40 <gammafunk> does that show in action tracking?
22:57:44 <gammafunk> &dump . trunk cbro
22:57:53 <ebering> yeah, while monsters are less afraid of storm clouds but still pretty afraid of them
22:57:57 <Sequell> unknown/gammafunk/gammafunk.txt
22:58:05 <gammafunk> &dump . cbro trunk
22:58:06 <Sequell> http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/gammafunk/gammafunk.txt
22:58:34 <gammafunk> ah, just that you evoked deck
22:58:52 <alexjurkiewicz> All levels: cone of clouds at target (increasing coverage and storm vs rain ratio as power increases)
22:58:52 <alexjurkiewicz> Low: targeted lightning bolt
22:58:53 <gammafunk> well 351 times so I've seen it a lot
22:58:55 <alexjurkiewicz> Medium: targeted chain lightning, disc of storms effect
22:58:57 <alexjurkiewicz> High: multiple cbl near target, disc of storms effect
22:59:00 <alexjurkiewicz> here's a proposal for storm rework
22:59:37 <alexjurkiewicz> I wonder if the actions table could record every card...
23:00:07 <ebering> I don't like a caard that runs a multiple targeter
23:00:33 <gammafunk> well the cone target does have you choose a single target
23:00:45 <gammafunk> so there would only be one, but your lbolt target would define the cone
23:00:56 <gammafunk> but yeah it's a bit odd even then
23:00:58 <minmay> don't make me release my "dumb card ideas #500" tavern thread
23:01:07 <gammafunk> do it
23:01:27 <gammafunk> I'm actually kind of surprised
23:01:37 <ebering> the cloud targeter interacts weirdly with the targetted cell
23:01:44 <gammafunk> that will all the weird cloud types crawl has had, it's never had three types that meet the notion of "storm"
23:01:53 <ebering> in that often you point somewhere funny to get the clouds that you want
23:02:06 <gammafunk> right, that'd be the awkward part
23:02:12 <minmay> rain and tornado clouds do, it just happens that neither one really does anything
23:02:12 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_
23:02:15 <gammafunk> you target for lightning bolt and you get whatever clouds
23:02:19 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah, I'm imagining you don't see a cone targeter, you just see the normal lightning bolt targeter
23:02:27 <gammafunk> ah true, technically tornado clouds do
23:02:48 <gammafunk> well two different targeters is just going to be odd
23:02:49 <alexjurkiewicz> At lower powers, you'd only get say 30% cloud coverage anyway, so it's more like a visual bonus than useful power
23:02:59 <gammafunk> you go from weird targeter to cone targeter
23:03:14 <gammafunk> since the second two are not targeted conj spells
23:03:41 <gammafunk> minmay: gloom clouds, since storms are gloomy
23:04:16 <gammafunk> the card reflects your mood
23:04:32 <gammafunk> I dunno, but I strongly support the idea of removing the summon and making it more destructive
23:04:58 <gammafunk> it certainly would be nice if you avoided hitting allies and if the clouds you made had better chance of being useful
23:05:04 <gammafunk> oh
23:05:12 <gammafunk> what aobut a ring of flames effect
23:05:15 <gammafunk> but with storm clouds
23:05:19 <gammafunk> you dig?
23:05:26 <gammafunk> you could have a targeter for the conj then
23:05:47 <gammafunk> I mean that's what whatsherface already has
23:06:16 <alexjurkiewicz> bai
23:06:20 <alexjurkiewicz> bae susan
23:06:26 <gammafunk> right, bai suzhen
23:06:41 <gammafunk> still has the ally problem of course
23:07:03 <gammafunk> could make it radius increase with power level if you wanted
23:07:15 <gammafunk> oh and you'd need cloud immunity for the duration
23:07:27 <ebering> well if it's ring of flames the clouds move with you
23:07:53 <gammafunk> hrm, I guess I'm just remembering when it starts to falter
23:08:06 <gammafunk> and yeah when that happens with ROF you do get damage from those now-stationary clouds
23:08:16 <gammafunk> so I guess you don't need that
23:09:29 <gammafunk> tomorrow we will rise to an ebering commit with new storm card
23:09:46 <gammafunk> and it will blow our minds with how out of the box it will be
23:10:45 <gammafunk> "this introduces a 7-dimensional hexagonal targeter on a mobius hyper-strip...at the newly introduced card power level pi, it...."
23:11:22 <minmay> and after being blown, your minds will be sucked by my card revamp proposal
23:11:29 <ebering> I'll bring back warpwright but it does that effect that's my idea for a level 9 tloc spell
23:11:59 <minmay> as though your minds are the air in a bellows used to stoke the flames of crawl
23:12:39 <gammafunk> release the bad card ideas thread to tavern or I PM something from my tentacles image folder
23:29:58 <minmay> I will it'll just take a day or two or three
23:35:47 <alexjurkiewicz> does cbl monster HD do anything?
23:43:07 <ebering> yes, it sets the damage
23:56:20 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: are you taking another swipe at storm?
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