01:27:54 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-451-g1044d4c (34)
01:59:23 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-451-g1044d4c
02:59:22 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-451-g1044d4c
03:03:40 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_
07:45:37 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
12:13:05 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/905 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/905
12:13:05 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/905 * 0.23-a0-451-g55f58ec: Let the sturdy frame mutation reduce stealth/dodging penalties 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/55f58ecd7b09
12:19:55 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.23-a0-452-g453ed5a: Don't extend Ru's aura through glass (0011769) 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/453ed5a3af07
12:35:29 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 {ebering} 07* 0.23-a0-453-ge0e9ef7: Let the sturdy frame mutation reduce stealth/dodging penalties 10(39 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0e9ef7961d2
12:58:03 <NP7> How does one build webtiles to run locally?
12:58:17 <NP7> I tried `make WEBTILES=y` and it failed on the first file
12:58:49 <ebering> NP7: WEBTILES=y is the correct option
12:58:50 <floraline> did you get submodules
12:59:07 <NP7> hmm do you have to install extra submodules for that then?
12:59:19 <floraline> check the INSTALL.txt its just a git command
12:59:34 <NP7> !source INSTALL.txt
12:59:35 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/contrib/sdl2/INSTALL.txt
12:59:36 <ebering> webtiles doesn't require extra submodules
12:59:42 <NP7> this is the wrong link btw
12:59:46 <ebering> what's the error message that you get for ability.cc
12:59:53 <ebering> Sequell is only so smart
13:00:07 <floraline> do you have all the prerequisites installed
13:00:12 <floraline> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt
13:00:51 <NP7> tileweb.h:12:10: fatal error: sys/un.h: No such file or directory  #include <sys/un.h>
13:01:31 <NP7> floraline: I can build normal tiles and normal console fine
13:01:47 <ZiBuDo> !messages
13:01:48 <Sequell> No messages for ZiBuDo.
13:02:28 <floraline> well to answer your question you are doing it right. i'm not sure what you are missing
13:03:53 <ebering> you're missing the development header s for unix domain sockets
13:04:43 <NP7> presumably because I'm on windows and not linux? can I download them somewhere?
13:04:47 <geekosaur> you lose
13:05:08 <geekosaur> windows would require it to be reimplemented in terms of Windows mailboxes
13:05:19 <floraline> webtiles isn't supported on windows?
13:05:22 <ebering> correct
13:05:44 <ebering> so I guess you can't build webtiles for yourself
13:05:54 <NP7> hmm
13:06:10 <geekosaur> well, you can if you use the linxu subsystem (bash for windows)
13:06:32 <NP7> right yea it suggests that method works in INSTALL.txt
13:07:06 <NP7> but that would require a lot of extra work :(
13:10:52 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-453-ge0e9ef7961 (34)
13:10:55 <advil> yeah, there's a bunch of barriers to webtiles working on windows, including issues running tornado on windows (at least for the tornado version we require, I'm pretty sure it won't work, would be surprised if the linux subsystem makes it work either)
13:11:27 <advil> your best bet is to work in a vm, or maybe docker
13:11:54 <NP7> yea that's not so easy
13:14:03 <floraline> that's what i use, virtual box on windows
13:17:16 <gammafunk> |amethyst: cjr is going to be shutting down in the next few days. floraline has said he'd make his server available at crawl.kelbi.org and I think it has all of the main public stuff set up
13:18:07 <gammafunk> |amethyst: did you have any problems with installing that as a new server?
13:19:49 <gammafunk> floraline: one problem I see is that the link given at https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/ttyrec/RandomTiles/ to a ttyrec for a test game is non-functional
13:21:46 <advil> do you mean the ttyrec is broken? it does download
13:21:58 <gammafunk> in my browser it does nothing when I click on it
13:22:15 <gammafunk> the url goes to about:blank
13:22:55 <advil> hm, works in firefox, safari, but not in chrome
13:22:59 <advil> odd
13:23:25 <gammafunk> yeah, I'm on chrome
13:23:56 <gammafunk> floraline: so I guess to clarify that, the ttyrec links don't work in chrome
13:24:09 <gammafunk> it seems the other linked files do work (morgue, lst, map)
13:24:30 <gammafunk> as does rc file
13:25:48 <floraline> oh that's interesting that the morgue works but not ttyrec
13:25:55 <floraline> i'll look into that thanks, i use firefox so i didn't notice this
13:31:46 <gammafunk> floraline: if you like, you can go ahead and make the dev accounts dgl admins (I assume you're using dgl) so we can download user-created saves and initiate rebuilds
13:31:50 <gammafunk> not sure if you have any of that set up
13:32:04 <gammafunk> well I guess I see that only two of us even have accounts there
13:32:59 <advil> I just made one a minute ago to try it out
13:33:21 <gammafunk> everything seems to work well otherwise; was able to start a game in console and play it
13:33:31 <gammafunk> well I tested it for 30 seconds, but it did work
13:33:39 <floraline> i do have those scripts in the right place but i haven't exposed them in nginx yet
13:34:02 <floraline> i'll put that on my todo list
13:34:19 <gammafunk> floraline: how do you feel about hosting experimental branches? we've relied on johnstein for that in the past, but he's pretty busy these days
13:34:44 <gammafunk> we have that traps branch from ebering we've wanted to host
13:34:53 <floraline> i'm down with that as long as i can figure out how to do it right
13:35:09 <gammafunk> yeah, I think the dgl wiki instructions cover the basics of it
13:35:18 <gammafunk> but those instructions might not be enough info
13:35:19 <floraline> is it any different than adding a new stable branch?
13:35:37 <gammafunk> hrm, maybe not
13:36:02 <gammafunk> hrm, I don't think it really is
13:36:26 <gammafunk> I think that rebuild script has hard-coded list of branches in it
13:37:01 <gammafunk> and for experimentals they need to have that added, but that may be the case for stable ones as well
13:37:08 <gammafunk> the rebuild CGI script specifically, as I recall
13:40:59 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: hosts experimentals also. I know he uses a different git fetch command for them
13:45:51 <gammafunk> yeah, that's sort of a seperate issue: how do you fetch experimentals since it's possible for people to force push changes to them
13:46:33 <gammafunk> but cpo isn't using dgl and doesn't have any rebuild script at all; it just has a different setup since it's using some variant of webtiles-changes
14:11:48 <floraline> ok i think i fixed the ttyrec chrome issue
14:12:46 <gammafunk> floraline: yeah, download works for me now
14:12:55 <floraline> is the rebuild script supposed to ask for authorization? i see that the save download one does
14:13:04 <floraline> neiter of these scripts seems to be working out of the box
14:13:59 <gammafunk> floraline: yeah, it's supposed to auth, otherwise anyone could start a rebuild
14:14:14 <floraline> oh i already entered my login for the save script so maybe it remembered that
14:14:39 <gammafunk> yeah, it's probably the same auth realm
14:14:47 <floraline> the rebuild script hits some git errors and is generally not happy, save script says it can't find /home/crawl/DGL/dgldir/dumps/
14:14:55 <floraline> that directory exists so maybe there is some kind of permission issue
14:15:24 <floraline> i'll have to spend some time messing with these scripts
14:19:52 <geekosaur> do remmbr the difference between inside and outside th chroot
14:32:22 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/906 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/906
14:32:22 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/906 * 0.23-a0-451-g4bbbc5f: Don't halve the MR of magic immune creatures from AF_VULN (11754) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4bbbc5ffc887
14:49:04 <gammafunk> floraline: yeah, like geekosaur mentions, some things need to happen outside the chroot; all the builds get done as crawl-dev outside chroot. The rebuild script might be running as a www user of some kind that doesn't have write access to chroot like crawl-dev user probably does
14:55:50 <floraline> ok i got rebuild working i think
14:57:15 <floraline> how exactly is the save downloader used? do you have to dump saves somehow first?
14:59:50 <geekosaur> there's a menu item (console only currently, iirc) to copy a save
15:00:27 <geekosaur> which then reports a link that can be put into e.g. a bug report; but the link only works for authed admin accounts
15:01:29 <gammafunk> floraline: yeah, like geekosaur says you have to go to the version in console, go to the A)vanced options screen and then choose the option to backup save
15:01:32 <floraline> oooh okay, thanks. it seems to be working
15:01:49 <floraline> i was given a url and when i plug it in i get some archive
15:02:46 <gammafunk> it's a compressed copy of the crawl save file
15:02:53 <gammafunk> of the user's current game for that version
15:03:08 <gammafunk> devs can download that, uncompress and test offline to debug problems
15:03:39 <floraline> great, i guess that's working then
15:03:55 <floraline> at crawl.kelbi.org/rebuild and /saves/
15:04:16 <floraline> you just can't index the saves folder for some reason
15:04:38 <gammafunk> yeah, I see the auth screen; my account doesn't currently have access, but that's fine. most devs haven't even created accounts there yet
15:04:53 <floraline> i'm going to need a list of names for that
15:05:01 <ebering> needs to be chmod +rx for the listing I think
15:05:27 <gammafunk> in the past we only used direct links; wasn't aware that the setup supported directory listings
15:05:52 <gammafunk> the user gives us a direct link reported by the backup script, so not sure a directory listing is really needed
15:05:57 <gammafunk> but I suppose that could be helpful
15:06:52 <gammafunk> if they didn't remember to copy the url and give it to us, for example, but yeah usually they give us the url
15:07:46 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.23-a0-454-gae4fabd: Disallow Twisted Resurrection for Enslaved Souls (Doesnty) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ae4fabde777f
15:11:18 <floraline> one issue i was having is that web users could not spectate console games, but that fixed itself somehow which is a little concerning
15:12:56 <floraline> the only other thing that was bothering me is that it will always fully rebuild even if no files changed
15:13:17 <floraline> i still don't know how to avoid that
15:13:20 <ebering> floraline: that's desirable
15:13:34 <ebering> your system environment might change
15:13:50 <ebering> earlier this year we ran into a compiler bug in a specific version of gcc on cbro
15:14:01 <floraline> you're saying it's better to always fully rebuild?
15:14:12 <ebering> yes
15:14:13 <geekosaur> it's safer
15:14:28 <floraline> oh, well i won't bother it then
15:14:29 <geekosaur> you could et away witut, with manu7al intervention needed in cases like the one ebering just mentoned
15:14:43 <gammafunk> but you might want to set up ccache if you haven't already
15:15:28 <gammafunk> which will generally speed up rebuilds a lot
15:15:42 <gammafunk> although I suppose the actual time of the rebuild is not the biggest concern, maybe cpu/memory usage
15:15:54 <floraline> wouldn't that be considered NOT fully rebuilding
15:16:03 <gammafunk> but I assume ccache lowers those as well since you're not fully compiling those object files
15:16:43 <gammafunk> yeah, in the case of a new gcc I guess it might?
15:17:04 <gammafunk> but I think the server in question (cbro) uses ccache
15:18:03 <gammafunk> I'm not sure if the new gcc's cpp would have made a new file that forces recompilation
15:18:53 <gammafunk> does cpp put GCC version info in the resulting files that would cause it to trigger ccache full compilation if the GCC version changes?
15:19:06 <floraline> i'm building trunk again after this most recent commit and it is building every single source file
15:19:12 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  usually when the gcc version changes the libstdc++ version also changes
15:19:57 <gammafunk> |amethyst: yeah but in terms of ccache, but does the former or the latter changing lead ccache to want to recompile object files?
15:20:33 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  changes to the headers that you're using would, since ccache gets the file after preprocessing
15:20:43 <gammafunk> ah
15:20:50 <gammafunk> right
15:21:08 <gammafunk> floraline: so yeah, I think ccache is fine in terms of allowing rebuilds even without source changes
15:21:37 <gammafunk> you don't have to set it up; in practical terms it's going to make manualy triggered rebuilds faster
15:23:24 <gammafunk> |amethyst: and we're talking about setting up a new official server at https://crawl.kelbi.org:8081/#lobby that we're tentatively calling cko
15:23:54 <gammafunk> if you have any opinions/reservations/suggestions about that
15:23:54 <gammafunk> it's hosted in New York, so should be a reasonable replacement for CJR
15:24:30 <gammafunk> at this point I think it's basically all set up on its end
15:24:33 <|amethyst> sounds good
15:24:59 <|amethyst> oh, I need to chat with snark sometime about backing up CSZO data
15:25:22 <gammafunk> yeah, thinking of taking it offline?
15:25:27 <|amethyst> the ISP's billing department has no idea what they're doing, so I'm not sure how long it will still be around
15:25:52 <gammafunk> I asked him about hosting data for CJR, but alexjurkiewicz might be able to help out longterm
15:26:39 <|amethyst> logfiles and milestones are on CAO, would just need to change the scoring config to not try to download them
15:26:52 <|amethyst> (and I guess make them available through apache)
15:27:07 <gammafunk> ah, but also ttyrecs/timestamps and morgue files?
15:27:10 <|amethyst> yeah
15:27:22 <|amethyst> and for that matter old tournament data
15:27:38 <gammafunk> yeah, and we need a server for future tournaments
15:27:39 <|amethyst> which could also go to CAO, since it houses even older tournament data
15:27:44 <|amethyst> s/houses/hosts/
15:30:48 -!- cmo is now known as yesno
15:42:55 <minmay> !vault  n - a +6 ring of evasion (right hand)
15:42:56 <Sequell> Can't find n.
15:42:58 <minmay> oops
15:43:05 <minmay> !vault nicolae_vaults_bisected_exclaves
15:43:06 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/vaults_rooms_standard.des#L1931
15:43:30 <minmay> I just had this split the level into two regions in my game, breaking connectivity
15:44:24 <minmay> There happened to be an escape hatch in one region and all of the stairs in the other region, but I suspect that escape hatch could have simply not generated, leaving an island that players can get trapped in
15:55:53 <Yermak> Zin doesn't punish followers if monsters die to poison during Sanctuary, Ely does punish for that when Divine Protection is active. I think the latter should be fixed.
16:10:41 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-454-gae4fabde77 (34)
16:12:14 <advil> with cjr going down we're going to lose one of our crash canaries
16:31:49 <gammafunk> oh
16:32:02 <gammafunk> floraline: yeah, one thing you can also consider is what kind of rebuild schedule you'd like
16:32:25 <gammafunk> cjr had an hourly one, which was probably chosen because Zibudo likes to be different more than anything
16:32:51 <gammafunk> cpo has a very aggressive 15 minute rebuild cycle
16:33:18 <gammafunk> but the rest of our servers are either daily or on a manual update (cwz, lld) due to merging local patches for translation
16:33:53 <gammafunk> if cpu usage is a concern for you, maybe you'd prefer the daily rebuild schedule
16:34:20 <floraline> i have it set to daily right now
16:34:36 <floraline> i'm pretty sure it takes close to 15 minutes to build in the first place so hourly would probably be too much
16:34:49 <gammafunk> yeah
16:35:08 <floraline> i would want to set up ccache or something before changing that
16:35:34 <gammafunk> right, and even ccache doesn't prevent someone changing a header file that forces a rebuild of almost everything anyhow
16:35:41 <floraline> right
16:35:53 <floraline> twice daily would be reasonable
16:36:13 <gammafunk> well, that's a question I'll let other devs answer
16:36:25 <gammafunk> is twice daily actually more useful than daily if we can just trigger a rebuild manually?
16:36:42 <floraline> it seems to only take 1 CPU so it shouldn't totally choke my system
16:36:50 <gammafunk> I could see hourly being fairly useful but I'm not sure that every 12 hours is better than every 24 hours
16:37:01 <floraline> oh ok, i guess that makes sense
16:37:45 <floraline> right now i have a cron script executing dgl update-stable and update-trunk once daily
16:38:09 <floraline> i'm not sure if there is a better way to automate it, that is the same way i would build it manually
16:38:39 <gammafunk> floraline: I was planning on running an instance of beem for cko soon, is that ok with you? Currently it autowatches any non-subscribed user with the most spectators (has to be 3 or more) so it can make people aware of itself (given them messages about how to subscribe and how to make it permanently go away)
16:38:49 <gammafunk> ??beem
16:38:51 <Sequell> beem[1/6]: beem is a WebTiles chat bot that sends commands to the DCSS IRC knowledge bots. For details, see https://github.com/gammafunk/beem/blob/master/docs/commands.md ; if you see beem in chat, type the following to have it watch your games on that server: !subscribe
16:39:27 <gammafunk> I'd like to move it over to an http-based system for subscriptions to avoid need for autowatch but I don't have time to work on that now
16:39:27 <floraline> that's fine with me, sounds pretty cool
16:39:36 <floraline> i really don't know much about the various bots that hang out around here
16:39:50 <floraline> whatever is typical is A-OK
16:39:53 <gammafunk> yeah, that url in the entry has a quick bot primer if you want to see the basics
16:40:00 <gammafunk> beem just relays to those bots from webtiles chat
16:40:47 <floraline> i will check it out later, i need to head out for a bit
16:41:02 <floraline> thanks for all the help, i hope most things have been set up on my end at this point
16:41:26 <gammafunk> No prob, and thanks so much for hosting the server! Lots of people will be happy to hear about it
17:00:21 <gammafunk> !learn add cko Crawl server owned by floraline hosted in NY, USA. Webtiles at https://crawl.kelbi.org:8081/#lobby or console via ssh to crawl.kelbi.org with port 22 and username 'terminal' and using CAO keys (found at https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/).
17:00:22 <Sequell> cko[1/1]: Crawl server owned by floraline hosted in NY, USA. Webtiles at https://crawl.kelbi.org:8081/#lobby or console via ssh to crawl.kelbi.org with port 22 and username 'terminal' and using CAO keys (found at https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/).
17:02:48 <geekosaur> ??servers
17:02:49 <Sequell> servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cbro}; CAN: {cjr}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo}
17:04:42 <geekosaur> !learn set servers[1] USA: {cao}, {cbro}, {cko}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo}
17:04:42 <Sequell> servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cbro}, {cko}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo}
17:04:42 <gammafunk> thanks, although to be clear it's not quite official yet
17:04:50 <gammafunk> guess I should go ahead and add it to sequell though
17:05:17 <geekosaur> well, cjr should be removed from that regardless
17:05:55 <geekosaur> !learn edit servers[1] s/, {cko}//
17:05:56 <Sequell> servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cbro}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo}
17:06:17 <gammafunk> yeah, it's technically still running, but I think it's getting taken down soonish
17:06:20 <gammafunk> before the deadline
17:06:32 <gammafunk> ??cjr
17:06:32 <Sequell> cjr[1/2]: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks:8081/ Hosted in Montreal by Zibudo (admin@jorgrun.rocks) and Gramm. SSH login info: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/console.html. Server going offline by 11/30/18: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=25900
17:06:41 <gammafunk> ??ckr
17:06:42 <Sequell> cwz[1/7]: Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by hong on irc. http://webzook.net:8080/
17:06:53 <gammafunk> well that's kind of confusing
17:17:23 <gammafunk> !lg kik s=src
17:17:24 <Sequell> 189 games for kik: 189x cjr
17:18:28 <gammafunk> |amethyst: user kik has played on cjr and wanted to register on cao, but apparently the name's taken with no games played, so it's possible they reigstered and forgot. Can you send a reset email for them at some point? They're not sure if it's their account
17:19:46 -!- MarvinPA__ is now known as MarvinPA
17:39:06 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  did they provide an email?
17:40:37 <gammafunk> I just asked, hopefully they'll get back to me or you
17:40:59 <gammafunk> Kik-IRC: if you see this, you can give |amethyst your email via PM and he can check CAO
17:41:49 <gammafunk> or maybe you have to give me via discord since you may not be able to PM on irc if you're not registered
18:22:24 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-454-gae4fabde77 (34)
19:03:05 -!- test is now known as Guest14268
19:05:48 -!- Guest14268 is now known as mikee_
19:15:29 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
19:45:58 <gammafunk> Yermak: thanks for reporting that and making me find another zin sanctuary big: if you attack monsters with cloud spells in a sanctuary it warns you about pennance than doesn't apply it :p
19:46:47 <gammafunk> ah, interesting
19:47:03 <gammafunk> and due to sanctuary rules, the spell does nothing since it can't place clouds
20:13:20 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_
20:19:36 <minmay> !tell gammafunk ghosts changing levels without the player seeing (e.g. by the ghost using stairs while invisible) is causing them to leave behind bogus annotations that can't be cleared even after they're killed
20:19:36 <Sequell> minmay: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
20:19:51 <geekosaur> that's been true forever
20:20:01 <geekosaur> I even reported it once, with  shafted ghost
20:20:10 <minmay> it used to be a lot harder to get ghosts to change levels, though
20:22:54 <switch__> are off-level ghosts kept in mcache permanently?
20:22:55 <switch__> how does that work
20:26:51 <gammafunk> is there a bug for that?
20:26:51 <Sequell> gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
20:26:57 <gammafunk> no I don't
20:27:44 <gammafunk> minmay: not sure if a bug report exists for that or not, but I can take a look later
20:28:51 <minmay> there was a bug report for it, yes https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9779
20:28:57 <minmay> but the fix was to make ghosts unable to change levels
20:29:02 <minmay> now ghosts have been made able to change levels again
20:30:17 <switch__> that doesn't sound like much of a fix
20:30:43 <gammafunk> ok minmay, if you can reopen by leaving a quick note, would be appreciated
20:31:04 <minmay> done
20:39:49 <gammafunk> floraline: CKO added to Sequell config, not how long it takes sequell to see the changes, but hopefully sometime in next 24 hours sequell queries will work
20:40:24 <Yermak> on bogus annotations: using mirror on unique leaves permanent annotation for that unique on the level.
20:40:25 <gammafunk> |amethyst: Whenever you have time to add CKO to the CAO scoring, please feel free. Details in this commit: https://github.com/crawl/sequell/commit/9a4b5209eb3e7c0a81c20188fafae729e4fbb2d1
20:40:45 <gammafunk> yeah annotation handling can be tricky like that
20:41:13 <gammafunk> uh, wow
20:41:16 <gammafunk> !kw cko
20:41:17 <Sequell> Built-in: cko => src=cko
20:41:19 <gammafunk> didn't take long
20:41:22 <gammafunk> !lg * cko
20:41:23 <Sequell> 129. minmay the Ducker (L1 FeFi), slain by a kobold (a +1 short sword of draining) on D:1 on 2018-11-23 22:31:25, with 0 points after 27 turns and 0:00:48.
20:41:30 <gammafunk> NICE JOB MINMAY
20:41:41 <gammafunk> floraline: by next 24 hours I mean it's already working
20:42:21 <gammafunk> oh I bet footv needs something
20:46:07 <geekosaur> postquell?
20:46:48 <geekosaur> although that's Kramin's bailiwick
20:49:48 <ZiBuDo> !messages
20:49:49 <Sequell> No messages for ZiBuDo.
21:00:18 <gammafunk> oh, yeah
21:00:35 <gammafunk> depends on if floraline would prefer to run his own irc bot for announcements or not
21:07:34 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 {ebering} 07* 0.23-a0-455-ge12115f: Don't halve the MR of magic immune creatures from AF_VULN (11754) 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e12115f95eee
21:22:48 <ebering> floraline: I've registered on cko with my username, dgl admin privleges would be appreciated for grabbing saves
21:22:59 <bh> floraline: I can't register. Is there a nick length limit?
21:26:30 <minmay> !tell floraline how do you feel about giving me the "minmay" account on cko? whoever registered it and suicided a game on it (presumably to break my streak) is not me
21:26:30 <Sequell> minmay: OK, I'll let floraline know.
21:29:29 <bh> !tell floraline can you register me 'bh'? the server won't let me
21:29:30 <Sequell> bh: OK, I'll let floraline know.
21:36:42 <gammafunk> bh with the ultimate type of vanity username
21:38:26 <bh> gammafunk: I've been using this name for 10+ years
21:38:56 <bh> I set a timer to oust the last bh on freenode.
21:39:14 <gammafunk> The strong conquer the weak
21:40:07 <bh> But the week conquers the strong. -- Gandhi
21:48:18 <gammafunk> ??servers
21:48:18 <Sequell> servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cbro}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo}
21:48:49 <gammafunk> !learn edit servers[1] s/;/ {cko};/
21:48:50 <Sequell> servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cbro} {cko}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo}
21:48:53 <gammafunk> oops
21:49:06 <gammafunk> !learn edit servers[1] s/\} \{/}, {/
21:49:07 <Sequell> servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cbro}, {cko}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo}
22:10:42 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-455-ge12115f95e (34)
22:47:57 <floraline> bh: it looks like a minimum username length requirement of 3 was added in 2011, are you using this name without issue on other servers?
22:47:57 <Sequell> floraline: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
22:57:42 <floraline> |amethyst: gammafunk: do you have any advice for resolving cases of username theft? how do i determine who a username belongs to, especially if they are not easily identified on irc?
22:59:23 <floraline> and how do you tell the difference between theft and a genuine use of the name?
23:02:17 <switch__> i'm pretty sure that question is the single biggest reason SSO isn't a huge priority
23:17:01 <gammafunk> floraline: theft is often not easy to determine. In some cases, like minmay being registered on cko today shortly ofter it going public is obviously just an attempt at trolling
23:17:49 <gammafunk> by being registered I mean that the account was registered and not by minmay herself
23:17:57 <floraline> yeah, i figure there are going to be more cases though and they will only get less clear
23:18:29 <gammafunk> right, in other cases it's not really clear that the account wasn't just registered by someone else wanting to use it
23:18:43 <gammafunk> unless you see something very suspicious like a streak being broken
23:20:28 <gammafunk> !lg * cko s=name
23:20:28 <Sequell> 129 games for * (cko): 69x floraline, 41x Archer, 9x boardin6, 3x Meddi, 3x 45987046, adviltest, minmay, rasttest, RandomTiles
23:29:57 <floraline> gammafunk: can/should i remove the fraudulent game from minmay's history to prevent breaking the streak?
23:30:42 <gammafunk> floraline: well I think that would confuse sequell at this point, so I'd say probably not; I don't think minmay particularly cares about that game
23:31:04 <minmay> correct
23:31:05 <gammafunk> if you modify the logfile that it makes sequell and CAO scoring unhappy
23:31:06 <minmay> not that I would mind it being gone lol
23:31:18 <minmay> but it sounds hard to cleanly remove that from sequell
23:31:30 <gammafunk> I guess maybe I should have done a quick check of the logfiles before adding to sequell
23:32:21 <gammafunk> I think it's possible for snark to flush sequell's data for a given source and rebuild the data but it's something we should avoid if possible
23:33:03 <minmay> they'll probably just do it again on cwz anyway
23:33:07 <gammafunk> we only know this because cjr had various corrupted logfiles over the years where copies of parts of the trunk logfile got put as the logfile for a new branch's logfile
23:33:22 <gammafunk> minmay: I could contact hong about getting you password reset there if you like
23:33:36 <gammafunk> not sure if lld is also a problem, but we could likewise contact dplusplus about that
23:33:41 <minmay> oh yeah, and lld
23:34:13 <Zannick> is there a way to tag games as not-counting for streaks, averages, etc
23:34:30 <gammafunk> depends on what source you care about
23:34:33 <gammafunk> for CAO scoring, no
23:34:38 <gammafunk> for sequell you can just set your nick
23:34:40 <gammafunk> !nick minmay
23:34:41 <Sequell> Mapping minmay => (!ckr !cko !lld) minmay hypmuminmay hyperminmay martinlutherkingjr
23:34:53 <gammafunk> so minmay has already excluded cko (at least for now)
23:35:00 <minmay> it would be nice to have a way for server admins or whatever to tag games like that though
23:35:04 <gammafunk> yes
23:35:11 <Zannick> eg for bugs and exploits
23:35:12 <minmay> so that game with 50 trillion score doesn't show up
23:35:14 <minmay> yeah
23:35:27 <gammafunk> well, I guess we need support for that somehow in cao scoring and in sequell
23:35:31 <minmay> right
23:35:47 <minmay> currently sequell has a hack to the !hs command that excludes that specific game or something
23:35:53 <gammafunk> yep
23:36:23 <gammafunk> loading meatsprint into your current crawl game is pretty epic though
23:36:26 <gammafunk> maybe they deserve the high score
23:37:18 <minmay> well it would also be nice to have a way to just say no to that streak griefing thing, imo
23:38:06 <gammafunk> yeah it seems if we could work on adding functionality like that to sequell/cao scoring, that would be helpful
23:38:18 <gammafunk> but I don't have time to work on those things myself
23:39:12 <minmay> i freely admit to having no idea how the cao scoring pages work
23:39:25 <gammafunk> ??scoring
23:39:26 <Sequell> scoring[1/2]: Source for the CAO scoring pages: https://github.com/crawl/scoring
23:39:40 <gammafunk> postgres database with python scripts to manage it all
23:39:57 <gammafunk> I think similar codebase to the tournament scripts; not sure if those codebases are related
23:40:09 <minmay> well TIL that's in the learndb