00:10:41 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-270-gab6feb3dfb (34) 00:16:42 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.23-a0-269-g65e0026 (34) 02:54:19 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-270-gab6feb3 03:18:18 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.23-a0-270-gab6feb3 (34) 04:19:26 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:39:13 radzia (L27 VSFi) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 367: screen write out of bounds: (-36,4) into (43,4) (Temple) 05:00:09 !crashlog 05:00:10 20063. radzia, XL27 VSFi, T:54091 (milestone): https://underhound.eu/crawl/morgue/radzia/crash-radzia-20180930-083912.txt 09:57:37 aidanh, you can mark item for pickup by using 'f'ire, moving targeter to the item and pressing 'g'. 09:57:52 I have no idea why it's only on 'f' command. 09:58:19 if you do the same with 'x', it just goes and pick up th item. 09:59:22 FR: make this command togglable. I'm sure, many people would like to have a way to mark an item *off* pickup. 10:10:05 yeah, it should definitely be toggleable 10:10:40 it being on 'f' makes absolutely no sense to me either 11:01:49 ??plan 11:01:49 plan[1/2]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/0.21-Development-and-Release-Plan 11:03:09 !learn e plan[1] s|.*|https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/0.23-Development-and-Release-Plan| 11:03:09 plan[1/2]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/0.23-Development-and-Release-Plan 11:03:27 ??plan[2 11:03:27 plan[2/2]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 11:04:21 I'd like to keep up an effort to keep at least a release plan page up to date, if not make more extensive use of git hub project planning tools 11:04:35 while logged irc is nice it is sometimes tough to track the thread of an idea 11:04:59 I know Brannock made a hurrah at this in 0.20 12:46:37 i feel like doing that is always kinda tricky because there's very rarely such thing as a unified "dev plan" 12:48:36 like, when i've been more active in the past i always have lots of things i personally want to work on, but wouldn't be able to write up much of a detailed plan for a lot of it in advance 12:51:18 but migrating some of that over to the github wiki might be nice in terms of centralising things a bit more, i didn't realise the github wiki had already been in use in the past 13:16:43 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.23-a0-270-gab6feb3 (34) 13:32:24 Did you know that "You convulse helplessly as pain tears through your body!" type of death curse wasn't checked against rN? 13:37:55 ebering: yeah, I would hesitate at going too "all-in" on planning since I think it ends up being a bunch of work without that much payoff 13:38:49 I found the 0.21 plan to be ok at organizing some ideas and discussing some approaches, but we didn't really use it at all in 0.22 and I don't think it ultimately mattered 13:39:35 it can be nice to have wiki pages specifically for large projects 13:46:32 Brannock probably did try to make more extensive use of planning tools but I think he quickly found that since all the contributors have limited time, it's hard to make see them get used by enough people for them to matter 14:21:41 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:26:54 I found the existence of plans helpful for guiding my earlier contributions, I think they can help with pointing potential contributors in the right direction 14:27:06 But, warning noted :) 14:33:25 Yeah, I wrote a very nice 0.21 plan and kept it up to date; number of outside contributions received based on that: 0 14:33:40 It's fun to write it and it was good to organize some thoughts about various projects 14:34:53 well tbf there is one PR based on what I wrote on Zonguldruk, but I decided that I wanted to revamp the idea of the wizlab instead 14:35:22 We have a history of trying to use plans going back a lot of versions, they just never seem to have the organizational impact people hope for 14:35:36 they are sort of fun to write and players like reading them 14:38:49 hrm, github wiki really don't have an organizational view of pages, does it 14:38:56 I guess my own experience was a bit unique then. Well, I'll see what hope gets me this version 14:40:12 I don't know if I've written up my lab rework 14:40:27 I was going to start work on that soon but it make take a while 14:40:38 I feel I've written this up somewhere... 14:42:16 wow dpeg: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:dungeon:quests 14:52:27 reading old dpeg ideas on the docuwiki are an adventure 14:54:06 I had another idea for morg though its way more boring, and that's to make it drain+pain 14:55:23 hrm, yeah I'm not sure I love the maxwell's thermic engine approach 14:56:02 but you don't like scarabs or miasma+miasma resist? 14:56:14 scarabs on kill, miasma on hit 14:56:35 oh and I guess both would retain pain brand 14:57:07 probabl buff enchant up to +6 or +8 14:57:24 you could try to do something wacky with "lich form" 14:57:39 but doing that in a sane way is maybe difficult 14:58:09 I don't dislike scarabs or miasma+miasma resist but they don't stick out as much on the unrand list (there are other cloud and summony ones) 14:59:10 I think I like miasma over scarabs though, just so it's not Zonguldruk the dagger 14:59:41 imagine if you wield morg and you can never unwield it until it slowly and permanently transforms you into a lich!!!!! 15:00:09 there was some kind of crazy proposal for an item like this 15:00:24 it was a god where the god was tied to the item, and you worshiped it when you wielded the item 15:00:59 there's *possibly* some room for somethig truly creative like that if you can nail down the details 15:00:59 but of course it's a lot of work, especially to throw into an unrand 15:01:20 ya 15:01:37 and then of course, is it even good to be permanently a lich? probably not 15:01:51 possibly if would if the form were special somehow 15:02:03 but yeah, not a trivial design 15:02:13 +Cats evocation, summons spellcasting felid allies 15:02:15 boom, ship it 15:02:43 such flavor 15:03:56 I do love the idea that borish became a lich by using this cursed dagger 15:04:22 *boris 15:04:30 boris became borish 15:09:29 yeah that has the possibility to be really cool. "Really wield the terrible dagger Morg? There is no going back from this decision. (y/N)" 15:12:00 anyway, I added a wiki page for unrand work since idea time and code time often are separated, and my understanding of the goals for this project as well as some of the unrands I'd like to take a look at for 0.23 15:18:53 god, this brings back memories of all the terrible old arguments about changing lichform to be a permanent spell 15:19:48 i was going to suggest that it'd be neat to have any hypothetical morg change be somehow lich-y to tie it to boris, as opposed to scarabs/miasma, but i don't have any other specific ideas 15:20:38 so something ridiculous like permalich might be fun even if it's not "good" 18:21:49 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-270-gab6feb3dfb (34) 19:50:28 it would also explain why boris doesn't use the dagger any more, no longer needed 19:51:18 reminds me of the skyrim vampire lord transformation. You get a bunch of great benefits until the last stage which is pretty bad 19:52:08 you can wield morg for temporary lichform, but whenever you resist torment with it, accumulate a counter, and if that counter reaches 10, turn into a lich forever 20:13:28 If this is implemented, here is my prediction: some people will start scumming ziggurats for Morg. 20:14:32 wondering fi ti works better that it provides a crappy form of lichform, and the tie to boris is if you die whle wielding you become a lich instead of a ghost. except then we'd need to implement that 20:28:57 dagger of eternal torment 20:32:13 %git 44fbede 20:32:13 07Matthew Boeh02 {advil} * 0.23-a0-250-g44fbede: Check bounds for player_can_hear (#689) 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/44fbede512ef 20:32:34 aidanh: it looks like after this landed timed portal messages stopped displaying alltogether 20:52:46 …devform… 20:55:22 rip timed portal messages 23:46:35 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf