00:00:41 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.23-a0-136-g722f094 (34) 00:20:54 ebering, exciting reddit comment re ui-overhaul! if you need any spiffy new features in that department for your ideas, let me know 00:58:55 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 02:45:09 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:12:16 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.23-a0-136-g722f094 (34) 09:40:38 'Check the Philosphy section' link results in 404 error. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11651 by rrauwl 09:41:15 hm, the stuff on that page is from 2009 09:41:22 does anyone have permission to edit it? 09:44:26 wrt mantis permissions, branch tags need to be updated as well 09:45:56 'Philosphy' in the Mantis contribution page should be 'Philosophy'. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11652 by rrauwl 09:46:36 03Aidan Holm02 07[newgame-menus] * 0.23-a0-158-g275ce28: fixup! Add species/job tiles 10(23 minutes ago, 5 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/275ce28f8d0e 09:48:34 did I hallucinate that someone (gammafunk?) https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/Guide-and-FAQ-for-contributing-to-crawl into a doc in the repo? I swear that happened but I can't find it 10:11:17 ugh I kept telling myself just not to post in the "stagnation" thread but I posted 10:11:34 I'm honestly pretty exhausted by the player community at the moment, I think I need to take a break from something 10:11:45 ebering: thanks very much for your comments in that thread 10:43:04 Love the new spell library! Keep up the good work folks :) 10:51:14 advil: don't let a few particularly poisonous and vocal individuals get you down 10:56:39 ebering yeah I know, but support burnout is real 10:56:48 I might just not open discord for a while, to start 10:57:00 LexAckson: thanks! 10:57:04 delete reddit 10:57:10 heh yeah a reddit break is an idea 10:57:31 when I said yes to being a mod, my theory was that tavern was the dramatic one of the two. but that seems to have switched?? 10:57:45 tavern is still plenty dramatic 13:05:50 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.23-a0-136-g722f094 (34) 13:31:50 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:41:29 what's the atmosphere like on the discord, anyway? 13:43:40 amalloy: the roguelikes discord is not too bad, the CXC one is still kind of a cesspool of dev hate and gammafunk bashing imo, although these days probably most especially from one person 13:44:08 the new discord TZer0 made seems very positive and has nice rules in place; it's very new, of course 13:45:04 there's not just one, discord server, but several, if that's not clear 13:48:42 and yeah determined negativity and hostility from a small, disgruntled segment of the player-base can be off-putting 13:58:55 yeah, i knew about the first two of those servers. i guess "on the discord" was a poor question. thanks. nice to hear there's a new one coming up that seems good, and that the roguelikes discord is decent 15:10:17 New branch created: pull/844 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/844 15:10:17 03AndSDev02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/844 * 0.23-a0-137-g7d11129: Highlighting exploring horizon behind the doors 10(40 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7d1112946787 15:11:39 that seems so right I'm not sure what I'm missing about what was there before, but I guess it is from the same contributor 15:22:30 is there a non-flavor reason that confusing touch requires the attack be unarmed? 15:25:25 I'm not sure if this is a good reason, or the reason, but I've always assumed it would be way too strong if just any old character could use it with their regular weapon 15:26:24 at least as a L1 spell 15:27:24 it appears that its level was changed in 0.19, so maybe you can find some discussion from then in the logs? 15:28:15 03AndSDev02 {advil} 07* 0.23-a0-137-gef0ad6d: Highlighting exploring horizon behind the doors 10(58 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ef0ad6d46f34 15:29:34 oh that reminds me, ontoclasm asked if there was a way to change the explore horizon color 15:29:50 I recall briefly checking and not seeing a color option defined for it 15:30:18 which the other minimap features do all have (I think) 15:30:18 i'd thought it was a reference to some D&D spell or something, like dazzling spray 15:31:42 dazzling spray should be renamed pocket sand and made hex/earth ;) 15:32:12 i don't mean to say that "it's like a D&D spell" would be a good reason but it would have explained it 15:33:14 the move to L1 does not mention the reason for it 15:35:11 no, confusing touch is the way it is because that's how it came from 4.0 or something? 15:37:50 looking for a D&D spell like that did lead me to an amusing list of subjectively-useless D&D spells though 15:38:43 anyhow, using confusing touch at 0 unarmed skill on a plausiably dextrous character with moderate fighting skill is still pretty effective 15:40:56 "Ship of Fools: This is basically the same as a Confusion spell, but only for sailors. It makes an entire crew basically forget how to sail all at once." 15:47:46 ebering doesn't it need to do damage to proc? Maybe I'm misremembering or wrong about how that would go 15:48:02 no, its damage is set to zero 15:48:09 it just needs to hit 15:48:19 no, I mean, doesn't the hit need to be one that would have done damage with the normal calculation 15:50:33 maybe it just needs to connect 15:56:17 it just needs to connect 15:56:40 it is applied by apply_damage_brand inside player_monattk_hit_effects which is called on even non-damaging hits 15:59:46 so what I suggest is: for confusing touch you get no weapon skill modifier to accuracy (just fighting and dex, but with the confusing touch dex bonus) and it can be used on any weapon 16:00:18 "exact match" monster description in lookup says to press space for non-exact matches, but nothing happens 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11653 by TAS2012 16:00:43 since the uc requirement is more an interface screw than a practical obstacle to use 16:01:30 of course, without it being annoying to use it becomes an almost always cast type spell. probably needs further nerfing (as PFs last commit on the subject suggests) 16:10:22 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-137-gef0ad6d46f (34) 16:48:01 Granted God abilities not highlighted after ui rework 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11654 by pedant 16:48:01 amalloy: just to be clear about this, the Discord is currently basically only crawl, but I will be adding some other stuff there soon related to a project I'm working on 16:48:25 Not that I plan to discontinue the crawl-bit once the project I'm working on goes public. 16:48:56 you could join and have a sweet gold colored name, amalloy 17:10:10 !update-centuryplayers 17:10:12 Mapping centuryplayers => 78291 bart basil bmfx clouded crate drke elliptic hyperbolic hyperelliptic jeanjacques johnnyzero magistern marvinpa mikee minmay mrplanck nago ophanim pac pivotal stabwound tolias walkerboh surr simm ebarrett morganleah sar wahaha yermak hilariousdeathartist sphara keymashgrqeeg sharkman1231 zooty araganzar tabstorm berder comborobin doubtofbuddha lasty rubinko vidiiot z... 17:41:53 gammafunk: my irc client colours my name gold whenever someone mentions me. i don't need discord 17:42:01 wow 18:09:40 uh, can someone else who is a reddit admin look at LearnMeSomeTheory's flair? 18:10:03 I don't think I can do dispassionate modding with that person at this point 18:10:16 you can see it in the "stagnate" thread 18:20:49 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-137-gef0ad6d46f (34) 18:26:40 advil: can you actually lock flair? 18:26:44 i'm not a reddit admin but i don't think you should worry about "dispassionate modding" there, their post history makes it pretty clear that they just need to be extremely and permanently banned 18:26:52 yes, I agree 18:27:17 I think you have to lock flair at the sub level? 18:27:38 I can do that now if you tell me how to get to the menu 18:29:54 also it in general looks like doesnty and mrg are dragging that thread into lock territory 18:30:42 yes, it seems I've become a magnet for the attack squad now too 18:31:04 I'm not sure if locking it is going to help anything? 18:31:47 well if you feel it wouldn't I certainly won't; for the user with the offensive flair, we at least need to lock/remove their flair or ban them 18:31:52 I'm pretty sure MRG is trying to provoke us into locking it 18:32:00 that kind of commentary just isn't acceptable imo 18:32:03 which there's no good solution to 18:32:37 it looks like we can actually edit anyone's flair, not that there's any way to prevent them from changing it back 18:32:48 yeah, I see how to edit it, but not how to lock it 18:33:04 and yeah my preferred solution is to have some rules similar to tavern rules and enforce warnings/bans on people who violate those 18:33:34 but I haven't written those up yet; I'm almost done with tournament post and might try to get that sent to cww tomorrow 18:33:58 do you have a way of contacting cww aside from reddit? they haven't been active in a long time 18:34:17 I do not, no, I was hoping they'd respond 18:34:31 it would be kind of sad to lock flair at the sub level because I've literally never seen anyone else abuse it 18:34:45 yeah, it's a cool feature 18:34:53 but I was also sort of worried about abuse when it was enabled 18:35:08 but people can have offensive usernames and such as well, ultimately 18:35:11 can you just ban that user and delete their posts? 18:35:41 yes, we could, I think advil is trying to be a bit less invasive here 18:35:50 well, if it were up to me I'd ban them 18:35:52 but I do agree that this sort of thing is just too over the line 18:36:03 I warned them, and as far as I'm concerned that flair crosses the line the warning set 18:36:05 ok, well it sounds like we agree about that 18:36:08 i mean just take a glance at their post history 18:36:18 yep 18:36:31 alrighty...now I just need to figure out how to do it... 18:38:36 it's a popup when you mouse over their name 18:39:19 ok, I'm doing that now 18:42:54 ok, I banned them and removed that post 18:43:26 ok, thanks for dealing with it 18:52:18 wow yeah I think that user is clearly not going to be a positive contribution, did you see how they referred to pf in their post history? 18:53:51 that was what got them the warning in the first place, yeah 18:56:44 man, I miss chei bot 18:56:55 I need to look into modifying that to support auth 18:57:10 it uses some of the same modules that sequell does, so I bet it's not hard 18:59:46 alexjurkiewicz yeah, I would actually hope that whatever rules we put in place would make triple parens an instaban 19:00:26 any kind of direct slur like that would, yeah; we do the same on tavern 19:00:34 or I guess maybe we do warn people sometimes first? 19:00:50 something like that we mostly likely just do a ban right away though 19:22:51 I've also removed the post with the triple parens, on seeing mikee_'s post in the current thread I realized that maybe removing is better than locking for that, especially if the user was banned 19:31:42 we tend to be more prone to locking a thread on Tavern, but less so for forums like CYC, which I suppose the reddit is basically analogous to 19:33:19 locking often happens when there's a lot of insults being thrown around; especially for GDD there's a point at which further productive discussion according to that forum's rules aren't likely to happen 19:33:27 *isn't likely 19:36:16 what an unedifying and enervating thread 19:36:36 and exhausting 19:37:27 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/754 * 0.22-a0-404-g6bd8bbb: Add checkwhite to Travis 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 10+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6bd8bbbaaa8a 19:40:07 i don't think it's useful to lock the stagnation thread. upvotes and downvotes are already doing a fine job of indicating that MRG's opinions are not mainstream. i do agree we should ban LMST 19:40:32 if you want to give MRG a timeout or something, that's a plan i like better than doing anything to that thread 19:41:38 yeah, LMST is already banned 19:42:10 i know he's just dying to be a martyr, but what can you do 20:09:15 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/721 * 0.23-a0-166-gca44920: Merge remote-tracking branch 'upstream/master' into datafiles 10(3 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ca44920e1e7f 21:04:29 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:51:35 -!- oberstein is now known as Guest13887 22:16:15 Is there a canonical example of how to document functions & their params int he code? 22:18:38 is it the @param and @returns stuff? 22:18:47 yeah 22:20:45 it's doxygen 22:21:50 though I don't think were using very much of what doxygen can do 22:22:17 using @ is the javadoc style 22:23:30 I also am not sure when anyone last actually ran doxygen, but not recently 22:24:35 https://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/manual/docblocks.html 22:41:06 advil, in trunk/console really long item descriptions get clipped if you examine them while worn. The first line doesn't wrap and all the subsequent lines get maximum length from the first one. When not worn the first line *does* wrap and all the subsequent lines are fine too. 22:41:08 https://i.imgur.com/BAD5qBy.png 23:03:45 sounds like that'll be easy to fix; just enable wrapping on the header text widgets 23:07:01 aidanh, probably... Just noticed another bug: shop names count for searching. For example, looking for "eg" will find everything branded *and* everything inside the "Maegof's shop" 23:09:41 I think the intended behavior would be just showing the shop and not what's inside. 23:19:34 New branch created: pull/845 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/845 23:19:34 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/845 * 0.23-a0-138-g521304b: Allow Trog to berserk all species 10(67 minutes ago, 6 files, 36+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/521304b5218f 23:28:37 wow I made cornbread this evening 23:28:48 good choice 23:59:46 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.23-a0-137-gef0ad6d (34)